Topic: Feral (MR TRAMP), How should i worm him ? (Read 25418 times)

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #40 on:** November 01, 2007, 00:19:57 AM »

Mr Tramp sounds neutered to me cos he seems to get on with other cats and if his coat is looking sad now , I reckon he might be smelling a bit if he was unneutered.

I know that you said that something spooked him a while back and he disappeered for a while. Maybe I just a scaredy cat but I am not sure I would want to upset his life until he shows more sign of doing it himself. Cats in London seem to me to be different from out here in the country.

I know you love Mr Tramp and you know him the best and will do for him what you think is best

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #39 on:** October 31, 2007, 23:52:45 PM »

Quote from: pappilon on October 31, 2007, 20:27:51 PM

Dawn did you mean to keep him indoor straight away after visit to the vet? What if he doesnt settle in a carrier? Do i let him go?

Yes, I would try him in a dog crate. I did this with Boris when he first turned up here, I had him neutered and kept him in a dog cage for a few days with litter tray and food and he soon settled down. If Mr Tramp hasn't been neutered, he'll have to be kept inside overnight anyway so see how he gets on. They tend to settle okay, I would just part cover the cage up with a blanket and keep him in a quiet spot until he gets used to it and I'm sure in no time he'll be wanting cuddles

pappilon · « **Reply #38 on:** October 31, 2007, 22:11:19 PM »

Quote from: Kittybabe (Ruth) on October 31, 2007, 19:48:15 PM

Hun, whatever it is you want to do. You know best what Mr Tramp is like. Maybe others have some other suggestions. But sleep on it. Offer is there if you want it and I am sure Dawn will say the same.

As for Pippa, she's not just cheeky, she's naughty!! Little Madam. Phoebe will learn Pippa is all talk and no action soon.

Well i think Pippa should be naughty, she is just a baby and i love her little face looking out late at night thinking what am i going to do now? When her meowmy is in bed thinking Pippa is fast sleep!!!Phoebe has to learn if she wants to use Pippa's garden then she has to come to some arrangement with her.Bless xxx she is addorable.

pappilon · « **Reply #37 on:** October 31, 2007, 20:27:51 PM »

I just want to say thankyou , i can arrange to get a trap and i spoke to my vet few months ago about him and my vet said i can call him any time and he will get to surgery to take him in , becos i was concern not to keep him too long in a trap!

Dawn did you mean to keep him indoor straight away after visit to the vet? What if he doesnt settle in a carrier? Do i let him go?

I know his temperament around other cats is fine , he never fight with boy or the others around , even when is feeding time he just seat under the car and wait

I saw him few weeks ago eating with the fox next to him and he wasnt bothered, the same night i saw the other stray attacked the fox

(Poor foxy must be confused)

In November i will take some times off work, and i will start with traping him and then we see how it goes

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #36 on:** October 31, 2007, 19:51:13 PM »

What I would suggest is trapping him and getting him to the vets for a once over and ask them to dematt him whilst he's in there. Has he been neutered do you know? If you can get a dog cage, with litter tray etc and possibly keep him indoors for a while until he associates your place as home, maybe he'll start coming in

There's no rush anyway, if you decide you want to try to get him somewhere else, my offer still stands. What I would do initially anyway is suss out his temperament, you may find once you've actually got him indoors, he'll be a cuddle monster.........he does have that look about him

If you decided to rehome, and he was "too nice" to go as a farm cat, he would be rehomed somewhere that is suitable to him. I took Dudley on, he came from a farm and was a little horror......he actually broke another cats leg

I brought him here to keep him out of the way whilst I tried to trap the injured one and he is still here

I did get a home offered at the farm up the road from me but I had a little bit of a soft spot for Dudley even though he does have an evil side to him

He has now settled down brilliantly, lives mainly outside as this is where he's happiest but comes back for food and shelter when he wants to

Kittybabe (Ruth) · « **Reply #35 on:** October 31, 2007, 19:48:15 PM »

Hun, whatever it is you want to do. You know best what Mr Tramp is like. Maybe others have some other suggestions. But sleep on it. Offer is there if you want it and I am sure Dawn will say the same.

As for Pippa, she's not just cheeky, she's naughty!! Little Madam. Phoebe will learn Pippa is all talk and no action soon.

pappilon · « **Reply #34 on:** October 31, 2007, 19:40:20 PM »

Ruth regarding Phoebe and Pipa , i was just saying how nervous she is even with Pipa indoor behind the glass still she is scared.Its not Pipa's fault

. As i said before Phoebe even run when she sees a fly or bee

. Pipa is a sweetie and cheeky

Dawn i really appreciate the offer for MR TRAMP, the thing is i am concerned,what if he doesnt settle in a farm and try to come back and find his own place then he will get lost

. He has been around here atleast for 4+ years, and two years a go when it was really cold he came in and sat with us just inside the flat and had his food and when i tried to close the door he ran away. Some times when i scratch his head he even purrs

and i just think is there a chance of him trusting me enough to move in??I dont see it happening, i dont know what do you think?

Ruth thankyou so much for offering to help , but let me think about it, i just dont know whats right, i dont see him as a feral anymore he is part of our family and i do care enough to stay awake night after night to see he comes and get his food but i know that is not enough becos the older he gets its harder for him to survive the cold winter

You knowi have had strays rehomed before with the help of mayhew, but when i asked them in june to trap him and they said if he test positive for FIV he will be put to sleep, i just cant do it. May be i am being selfish but i think if he is not well he might come here and i can help him? And i know that is not the way to deal with this....So if you give me some time please.
Tonight i managed to give him the worming tablet wraped in butter and ck, but his coat doesnt look good?

Kittybabe (Ruth) · « **Reply #33 on:** October 31, 2007, 19:10:09 PM »

I'm fine either way. The motor is going to see some action this month that's for sure. Up your way, then Supreme then T's.

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #32 on:** October 31, 2007, 19:08:44 PM »

Next weekend would be better for me as I work weekends and I've also got to go over to Anglessey either Sat/Sun to pick my youngster up after work. If it's weekend, I would have to meet someone in the evening after I finish so if you don't mind travelling evening time

Kittybabe (Ruth) · « **Reply #31 on:** October 31, 2007, 19:05:11 PM »

Will let Pav read this and then if she wants, will call her later and we can conspire

I'm travelling all next week, so would either need to do this weekend (but may not be feasible to try trap him between now and then), or next weekend.

So Pavvy hun up to you.

Call me if you want to chat it out first.

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #30 on:** October 31, 2007, 19:03:36 PM »

You have to be careful sedating just in case he has any unforeseen medical problems, it's not really adviseable. He should be fine in a large carrier if he's kept covered over and the journey is kept as stress free as possible.

Kittybabe (Ruth) · « **Reply #29 on:** October 31, 2007, 19:00:03 PM »

Because of his size we'd need a proper travelling crate for him so the could piddle and poop in the car and we could minimise the hours of driving stress for him, or we could sedate him?

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #28 on:** October 31, 2007, 18:58:31 PM »

I've got a trained farmer who I'm sure would take another babe or I have the stables that I still "owe" a couple of cats to

They are all monitored, well fed, have plenty of warm barns to sleep in and they use Uncle Sean for their vet so I get regular updates as well. I'm up for it if Pav thinks it will be better for him

I can get Sean to give him a full check up at the vets before he's rehomed as well to make sure he's okay

Kittybabe (Ruth) · « **Reply #27 on:** October 31, 2007, 18:54:31 PM »

If Pav's up for it I'm happy to drive and meet you/someone halfway Dawn.

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #26 on:** October 31, 2007, 18:53:39 PM »

I may be able to get a placement sorted for him somewhere if that would be better for him. We have lots of farms/stables etc locally but the problem would be getting him down here but I could meet somewhere if that would help

Kittybabe (Ruth) · « **Reply #25 on:** October 31, 2007, 18:50:32 PM »

Quote from: pappilon on October 31, 2007, 17:48:30 PM

not moving becos PIPA seating inside and hissing at her

I know she's my "niece" but she's a right madam is Pippa.

Kittybabe (Ruth) · « **Reply #24 on:** October 31, 2007, 18:49:00 PM »

Dawn Pav is in inner London. The area is very urban, like where I am, nearest farms would be out Hertfordshire way. A trap may work Pav.

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #23 on:** October 31, 2007, 18:39:28 PM »

Pav, what area are you in? Isn't it possible to try and trap him and find a farm/stable home for him? At least that way he'll have somewhere warm to sleep at night.

pappilon · « **Reply #22 on:** October 31, 2007, 17:48:30 PM »

You Know Gill Sasa sounds exactly like Phoebe! Last night at 1.30 she was out and i thought by now she surely wants to come in? So i went to the back garden and there she is

, not moving becos PIPA

seating inside and hissing at her

. As you said they had such a bad life or start that it takes them years to trust some one again.

Mr Tramp is different he just doesnt know any different

, sometimes i just want to be able to pick him up and bring him in , clean him up and ..., but i really dont see it happening, sadly they cant say when some one means well, they only know to keep away from us , and i dont want to disturb his way of life in case he doesnt come back at least he gets a proper meal and some kind of tratments here, some times he even let me to put antibiotic cream on his wounds

Every winter i just pray and hope that some how he manage to live through it.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #21 on:** October 31, 2007, 16:22:43 PM »

No I think you are right and he sounds like he has it all sussed out

It would be lovely if he would sleeep somewhere warm and dry and supervised but I suspect that is not going to happen.

He is so hunky and lovely its sad that he cant bring himself to understand what a nice warm place is.

I vcan understand cos Sasa loves her creature comforts but she gets scared of nearly every thing and last night she wouldnt come back through the flap cos franta was in the kitchen, and she so badly wanted to come in.

I watch her little face and eyes and she scares herself about almost nothing, its so sad. I also watch her watching my hands and feet and if she thinks she is too close then she will move away.

Some cats have just had such a horrible life they cannot bring thenselves to trust even though they really want to.

pappilon · « **Reply #20 on:** October 31, 2007, 16:11:56 PM »

Sadly where he eats his food is in front of the building which is parking space and is not suitable to put any thing for him to move in to, its open space and the main entrance which people use all the times. There is no way that he follows me to the back where the garden is!!

AS going to houses and ask people, most of the buildings in our road has been converted to flats and the gardens are behind the buildings like ours, i doubt it that people even notice a cat coming and going unless they really care to look and if he is in some one garden that cares for cats why arent they feeding him? Thats the reason i wanted to find out where he lives first and then go and talk to people in that building to see how they feel about putting a pen or hutch ? I am not sure if i want to put leaflet in case he is in a place that they dont like cats and havent noticed him till now and thenit just make it worse for him

, i know it may sound odd?

Millys Mum · « **Reply #19 on:** October 31, 2007, 14:10:04 PM »

Thats a panacur favourite, it doesnt cover the flea tapeworm tho which is the most common type.

I would ask around the houses and see where hes going. You could also offer him something and feed him near to it, eg an old hutch and he may choose that. You can get heat pads that last some hours if he does take up residence.

Michelle (furbabystar) · « **Reply #18 on:** October 31, 2007, 09:44:39 AM »

Just thought -
A few months ago i got a chewy worm tablet for Rocky as he isnt good at taking tablets....
Now i cant think for the life of me what it was called, it was quiet large and brown in colour and he loved it (anyone know?)

Ela · « **Reply #17 on:** October 30, 2007, 20:09:19 PM »

Could you leaflet the houses?

pappilon · « **Reply #16 on:** October 30, 2007, 19:53:32 PM »

Millys Mum, I dont know where he lives? Some times when he finish his food he stays for little while but usually he leaves after his food,

i am sure he stays in our road in some one back garden, sometimes i stand in the street and watch him going to one garden and then out again to the otherone

Last week when he came at 7.30 AM i decided to follow him and find out where he stays , i thought i go and ask people if i can put some kind of pen where he stays ? I am really concern about the winter time, but as i was following him he just went to front garden of a house and under a caravan and sat there?

I waited for a while and he didnt move so i went back in the evening he wasnt there... So i still dont know where he snooz or stays/

pappilon · « **Reply #15 on:** October 30, 2007, 19:32:40 PM »

Quote from: Millys Mum on October 30, 2007, 16:38:35 PM

Your doing well if you got half a stronghold on him have you still got your fingers! It would help with fleas even tho he is sleeping rough.
If he has a favourite spot for snoozing you could spray there with indorex or acclaim.

Theres a tablet called capstar that will knock fleas down quick, it doesnt give continuing protection like frontline tho.

Yes but he has vey thick coat so i am not sure if half tube reached the skin, i had to do it while scratching him so while he was enjoying being scratched i managed squeeze the tube !! How big is the capstar tablets?? Heis very clever to somehow miss the tablets and eat the food!!!
Also since everyone is so hlpfull, is there anything like powder or....which helps his matted coat? Thanks

Millys Mum · « **Reply #14 on:** October 30, 2007, 16:38:35 PM »

Your doing well if you got half a stronghold on him

have you still got your fingers! It would help with fleas even tho he is sleeping rough.
If he has a favourite spot for snoozing you could spray there with indorex or acclaim.

Theres a tablet called capstar that will knock fleas down quick, it doesnt give continuing protection like frontline tho.

Ela · « **Reply #13 on:** October 30, 2007, 15:34:11 PM »

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Panacur Favourites for Cats is a palatable wormer

Unfortunately is is not effective against the tapeworm related to the flea

Sam (Fussy_Furball) · « **Reply #12 on:** October 30, 2007, 15:12:43 PM »

Panacur Favourites for Cats is a palatable wormer (VET UK have stopped doing them) but they are available here:

http://www.petvetcare.co.uk/acatalog/Panacur_Cat_Wormers.html

clarenmax · « **Reply #11 on:** October 30, 2007, 14:09:10 PM »

Good point

Ela · « **Reply #10 on:** October 30, 2007, 14:04:11 PM »

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Ela, I've just used Profender on Max,

Thanks but that would still be a difficult one for true ferals. (Those that you cannot get near.)

clarenmax · « **Reply #9 on:** October 30, 2007, 13:38:01 PM »

Ela, I've just used Profender on Max, got it from the vets as he is a little monster with taking Drontal.

Ela · « **Reply #8 on:** October 30, 2007, 11:57:58 AM »

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I have to use a liquid/powder type wormer with Blackie.....

What make is that please, the only one I know is Panacur and of course that does not cover the tapeworm related to the flea.

pappilon · « **Reply #7 on:** October 30, 2007, 01:24:20 AM »

Quote from: Ruth (Bazsmum) on October 30, 2007, 01:17:17 AM

I have to use a liquid/powder type wormer with Blackie.....he's quite a dainty eater for an ex feral

Mr Tramp is gorgeous btw

So is MR TRAMP, he doesnt like ham! I am going to try what Michelle and Dawn suggested, butter and CK !

Bazsmum · « **Reply #6 on:** October 30, 2007, 01:17:17 AM »

I have to use a liquid/powder type wormer with Blackie.....he's quite a dainty eater for an ex feral

Mr Tramp is gorgeous btw

pappilon · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2007, 01:04:53 AM »

Thankyou sooooomuch, i go to my vet tomorrow after work to get some.

I really hope he takes it, once before i put tablets in his food which was terrine gourmet, but he managed to leave the tablet out!!

Thats why i went for panacur liquid this time?

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #4 on:** October 30, 2007, 00:02:51 AM »

He's gorgeous

I'd suggest the same as Michelle, Milbemax is probably the best to use as the tablets are really small so much easier to give. Billy hates being wormed and I usually dunk his into a lump of pate and then wrap it in his favourite meat which is ham or chicken.

Michelle (furbabystar) · « **Reply #3 on:** October 30, 2007, 00:00:27 AM »

Get a drontal or Milbimax worming tablet cover it in butter and then wrap it up in a piece of ham !
Always did the trick with my Skaggy Cat (feral)

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #2 on:** October 29, 2007, 23:52:29 PM »

I hope someone can help cos he is gorgeous

pappilon · « **Reply #1 on:** October 29, 2007, 22:44:41 PM »

As some of you know the feral(Mr Tramp) has been visiting me for last 4+ years and he gets his meal here. for last few months he changed his time table and started coming after 3 am ?? Which made it defficult for me to spend time with him outside,

i just made sure i stay awake or get up and keep checking to make sure he gets his food before foxes take it all

, Well since last week he changed his time again and last few evening i stayed out with him and got close to scratch his head

so i thought yes now i can try to give him Stronghold, i know it wont help for fleas because he sleeps rough but worming, helps. but half way it burnt him and he moved away, so i ordered Panacur and Fenbendazole from vet uk and he simply refuses to eat the food or drink the cream if there is panacur inside??? I dont know how he can say

I havent tried the Fenbendazole granules yet , but was wondering since there are people with experiance with ferals is there anything else i can try? His tummy looks big and thats not good .... i appreciate it.

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