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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2007, 21:27:37 PM »
Just watched the video's  bless him :Luv:
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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2007, 21:21:35 PM »


Aha !!!! Just discovered this a the bottom of the 'share this album space - is this what I need to post ????

http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee162/VeraBoe/

(sorry, it must be my blond hair!!!!)  :rofl: vera

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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2007, 21:18:26 PM »
Tks for the Photobucket advice, Gill and Stuart - I've signed up and have uploaded 3 piccies and 3 half-a-minute video's. Trying to get the hang of the forum and the Photobucket all at once!!! (See next posting for link)
Tks for your thoughts Felix/Caroline and Stuart!!  :Luv: smooches from the kitties & me !!
I'll keep you all posted if anything comes up.
BTW, keep the quesitons coming 'cause it also prompts us to think in other ways and you never know what that may bring.
BTW # 2, it's Onyx's 4th GOOD day today - he and Jade have been chasing each other, playing and running around like old times. We're touching wood but it is REALLY an improvement !!!! Most of the time since Aug 14th , it's only been 2-3 GOOD days in between the lapses. It must for sure be all your good thoughts being chanelled to Onyx!!!!!
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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2007, 21:04:02 PM »
VeraBoe your cats are stunning, so sorry that Onyx is suffering with paralysis, I can't help with what is wrong with him but I just want to say that I will be thinking of you all and hope he gets better, I will be wishing you all the luck in the world.
The members on here are brilliant and have helped me with lots of tips and advice in the past few weeks over Simba,who is now on the mend. Lots of  :Luv: and :hug:. Caroline xx
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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2007, 17:39:16 PM »
yup Photo bucket is Good, very easy 2 use. go to http://photobucket.com/
register your account, and hey presto your away  :wow:

I'm now curious what's wrong with onyx 2  :(
but I have been sitting on the fence cause "I know Nothing, I from Barcelona" ;D

No seriously though........ I Do hope someone on here can Help You and Onyx out  :Luv:

what a Brave You and a Brave Little Onyx , Good Luck !!! :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:

« Last Edit: October 25, 2007, 17:40:37 PM by Stuart (Misty's Dad) »
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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2007, 16:49:28 PM »
The way to get a video on is through a site called Photobucket.....think thats its name.

You load it on there and then put the link on here and we can all see it.  ;D

There are some experts that use it all the time but not me, I a bit dim with that site  :rofl:

I love the pictures, they are stunning cats  ;D

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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2007, 13:28:42 PM »
Tks Christine and Tan for uploading those piccies!! Aren't they just...adorable!!!
Tks, Lynn for forwarding piccies and the email - any help I can get, hope your friend is indeed not too busy!!

Gill and everybody - I know cats hide their pain very well (have had 3 cats over 30 years - last one died beginning May at 23 (!!!) years old) but for sure with Onyx he is NOT in pain. Vet AND neurologist tested it and I keep tabs too. He strecthes and bends with every movement and thinks it's play time!!
Yes, sedation with MRI but because we are thinking of possible brain damage we do NOT want any kind of aenesthetic just now to avoid more damage if any. We also have to wait with neutering and have gotten a mini pill for Jade if she becomes 'a lady' !!

Teresa, sorry to hear of Merry's loss - it must have been tragic to lose her so young!! And yes, we realise anything can happen but my husband and I AND the vet have decided we are going stay positive in this. Give Onyx as much attention and stimulation as we can and above all, constant loving care! Then IF we should lose him we know he's had the best of all we could give him, including the love he gets form Jade!! We've considered the auto immune 'cause symptoms also sound like MS (multiple sclerosis) with hmans - except up to now there is NO traceable damage to any of the funcitons. When I say he recovers after every bout: I mean he's really back to normal. Except for the ears - they're lower during a spell but higher when he's in his good days. We interpret it as him 'signing' to us when it's pretty bad.
His eyes in the 'stiff neck' piccie may seem out of the ordinary, it's just the click of that moment. He is particularly perky and alert when you see him normally.

Question: Any way to load up a 30 sec video on these forums too - I'v madesoem with my digital camera just to keep track of all symptoms??

Tks everyone - I'm just overwhelmed by all your concerns!! smooches and purrs from Onyx and Jade and a Dutch hugs and kisses from me xx
« Last Edit: October 25, 2007, 13:54:34 PM by VeraBoe »

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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2007, 12:44:53 PM »
Vera I hope you dont mind but i have copied these pics and away to forward them onto to that vet aswell  ;)

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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2007, 12:40:45 PM »
Just noticed the pic of Onyx with stiff neck, keep an eye on those eyes when each episode is happening;Is he wide eyed through fear,pain or is it a vacant look.

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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2007, 12:19:17 PM »
Here they are such adorable babes  :wow:

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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2007, 12:19:16 PM »
 Several years ago we had a girl called Merry who for most of the time acted normally and then I would find her acting like a clockwork toy waking very weirdly and going off her legs. No one believed what I was describing until it happened in front of the vet,they tested Merry for allsorts and finally diagnosed a brain storage problem caused before she was born. Sadly each attack damaged Merrys brain and she died aged 11 months.
A further piece of useless information but you never know, Merry was Iris`s kitten, Iris suffered from an auto immune condition and needed constant treatment for rodent ulcers and granulomas.
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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2007, 11:24:05 AM »
Onyx sound such a brave little cat and it would be wonderful if Lynns friend could come up with a posssible cause.

It sounds though he is not in pain and I hope this is the case cos they hide it so well. I wonder if he did have a reaction to the jabs although I would have thought if one did , the other would too.

Its such a mystery and you have done every thing you can think of to help him.

600 euros for MRI is cheep compared to here cos it seems to be around £1000. MRI is not intrusive at all but would be done under sedation.

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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2007, 11:17:30 AM »
 :welcome: to Purrs, Vera and I hope that you can get some insight into Onyx's condition from the folks on here.

For those who are not members of Cat Chat, Vera joined there yesterday and posted up her question about Onyx.  I recognised her name as being the same as an old friend of my OH - and, incredibly, she is the same person  :wow:  We have had a long chat on the phone and Vera has now emailed me a picture of Onyx and Jade that I will send to Tan to insert in this thread, if I may.  They really are beautiful cats.

I do so hope the little fella can be helped with some sort of treatment.
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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2007, 10:31:29 AM »
Thanks for email, have returned mail showing what i've forwarded onto my friend   :)

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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2007, 06:05:27 AM »
Tks Gill, Lynn, Mark - had just typed a whole reply and lost it all when trying to upload photo/blood test scan!! So here's a copy of part of things (you'll see double text as I had already inserted part in 1st msg). Mark, Roosendaal is 2 hrs drive south of Leiden but it's great here too!! Any suggestions on how to reduce photo/scan size (tried reduced emailling to myself already)
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So Onyx and Jade came to us on June 18th of this year and are now about 7months old (they were born around the 1st of April).
 On August 14th, Onyx suddenly started displaying lameness of both hind legs, moving around almost like a bunny rabbit on his back haunches. We took him to the vet, thinking he had injured something as they are always playing and running around like crazy!! There was no fever, no other symptoms whatsoever and he continued to eat well and play with his sister, be it hampered. Only his ears seemed to be ‘droopy’ – they don’t point straight up but slightly outwards now and that has stayed.
He was given a painkiller injection (called Rimadil here) and some Metacam, anti-inflammatory drug. There was no significant improvement, on the contrary, after a couple of days he seemed worse.
Back at the vet they did some basic reflex testing and there were quite slow reactions with the back legs, we then had to give him half a tablet of 5 mg Prednisolon (Pred). Within 2 days Onyx cleared up and walked normally.
After three more days, however, he showed a stiff neck, he walked like a little horse with his head bent down, arching his neck.
He was given a half tablet (5 mg) of Pred for a week and he didn’t react.
Then the front legs went sort of lame. We immediately took him to an animal neurologist. Various reflex tests and X-rays revealed all was normal with the backbone, legs and neck. The organs too, all seemed complete and in place (for as much as you can see on X-rays)
We stopped administering the Pred, changed his diet from canned to fresh foods only. He now gets Cholodin (choline, phosphatidylcholine, inositol, zinc), a homeopathic remedy with Vitamine B complex and it works to improve the nervous system/neuro transmitters.
We took out house plants/pot pourri and looked for signs of toxins in our household (the kittens don’t go outside).
We thought of Limping Disease but ruled it out, symptoms started only after 2 months after the vaccinations (they’ve had 2 sets now – no reactions with Jade) and ear mite/flea medication called Stronghold.
Onyx has since had general blood tests, clear on all counts except a very slight increase in alfa 2, tests for Lyme disease were negative. 
No MRI/contrast scan (600 euro here) yet as I feel that may be very intrusive to him as yet – we carted him back and forth to various surgeries over a period of 4 weeks. No FELV/FIV as tests were negative (this 1st time - will test again later in a couple of months).
No indication of toxomplasmosis (my vet says cat hardly ever have this) or thyroid defects.
No weird walking like CH-cats – Onyx seems more cramped up, but no spasms/spasmic movements.
Vet has been wonderful - neurologist too busy to really take things in. I've been making regular little videos of Onyx to show his movements. No heart murmurs, lungs fine all regularly checked up by vet, thinking of virus infection when still in womb to cause brain damage. Tumor/blood clot ruled out because symptoms come and go ad hoc and always with total recovery - no change since start last Aug.
Lynn will read ...shunt tonight - tks for that!!

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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2007, 00:18:40 AM »
Although I know very little, the parasitic question came into my mind too before I read Lynn's message for some strange reason. Except for the ears which makes me think that its neurological.
Lynn is the most knowledgeable medically so my comments are just my impressions.

I guess you are close to roosendaal? - I know it well from travelling between belgium & holland many times (happy memories  ;D )
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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2007, 23:50:20 PM »
Yes i too would like to hear what has been suggested as possible diagnosis ?

The only thing i'd say is that xrays and reflex tests alone would not necessarily identify specific lesions on the spinal cord itself (infact xrays can easily miss odditys that could or should be seen on them)

Further fancy tests where dyes etc maybe were introduced into the spine may show this but would probably need specialist referal vet to carry out procedure.

It could be stemming from the brain.

What about something completely unrelated to the spine etc like congenital heart defect http://www.vetinfo4cats.com/ccardio.html

Congenital Portosystemic Shunt  http://www.cat-world.com.au/PortosystemicShunts.htm

Some type of parasitic caused lesion (not sure but i'd have thought unlikely in a youngster)

Has all the normals like fiv/felv been ruled out ?


If you have any other information at all could you please forward it on, i shall then pass it onto my friend who is a vet nurse and worked for a few years in a very busy orthapaedic referral centre to see if anything rings any bells with her.

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Re: HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2007, 22:06:48 PM »
 :welcome: to Purrs  ;D

Can I ask you what the medical people have said about little  Onyx and what they have suggested may be the cause.

We are not medical experts on here and can only offer our thoughts, although we do have a couple of vet nurses and a mascot with some serious problems which you might like to read about. To do this click on the Mascot cat in top right hand corner.

Teresa her owner knows all about what Minimopsical has which I think is a malfuntion in the brain.

Onyx sounds like he has brain problem and I know in this country cats can have MRI scans although they are very expensive, which would show up a brain problem.

I am so pleased that you are still looking after Onyx who sounds a sweet little cat and maybe others may have some suggestions for you here.

Do you have a picture of Onyx and Jade cos we would love to see them.  ;D

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HELP – DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO HELP OUT ONYX with paralysis symptoms
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2007, 21:55:51 PM »
Introduction to our kittens Onyx and Jade (they’re black as onyx with eyes like jade!!):
They came to live with us when they were appr 12 weeks old. They were born to a stray cat colony in the south of Holland, near the Belgian border and were taken in by the stray cat organization in that area http://www.zwerfkat.com/ (all in Dutch !!).
They take in all stray kittens and sometimes their mom/dads, nurse them back to health if ill /socialize them in volunteer family homes and then they can be adopted (from their website and then persona visits).
So Onyx and Jade came to us on June 18th of this year (they were born around the 1st of April).
 On August 14th, Onyx suddenly started displaying lameness of both hind legs, moving around almost like a bunny rabbit on his back haunches. We took him to the VET, thinking he had injured something as they are always playing and running around like crazy!! There was no fever, no other symptoms whatsoever and he continued to eat well and play with his sister, be it hampered. Only his ears seemed to be ‘droopy’ – they don’t point straight up but slightly outwards now and that has stayed.
Then the front legs went sort of lame. We immediately took him to an animal neurologist. Various reflex tests and X-rays revealed all was normal with the backbone, legs and neck. The organs too, all seemed complete and in place (for as much as you can see on X-rays)
To make a long story short: Onyx has bouts of lameness/paralysis, varying every time from the front legs to the back, alternating with the stiff neck, alternated with a couple good days in between (where he is really walking normal). There is NO PAIN and he can move/play/be stretched etc in any kind of way when he lies on his side/back.
He was sad for a little while but since changing the diet from dry/tinned food to fresh meats and administering homeopathics he has improved greatly. He still loves to play, cuddle, run after Jade in his own way and he climbs/claws his up on the cat tree, window sills and the bed!! His coat is really thick and shiny and still no...no other symptoms. (I've kept a journal of all events and visits to various surgeries etc)
DOES ANYBODY RECOGNISE THESE SYMPTOMS ??


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