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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2007, 19:23:15 PM »
Just to add to this:

I've tried a variety of dried foods for my cat but as she is indoor the quantities given as indicated for indoor cats, still helped her pile on the pounds.  She's now under a strict control so she only gets what she needs.

I have tried JWB (which offers a light version especially for sedentary cats) but she did enjoy these.
I also tried Perfect Fit In Home which is much more expensive but good quality
And now she eats Pero a complete organic dry food, and she likes Arden Grange too, also organic with a higher meat content.

Since on the Pero Lexy's fur is much better and her weight steadied. She eats a mixture of Felix As Good As It Looks pouches, Gourmet Pearl pouches, and evenings Sheba pouches.

And as treats now and again she has Gourmet Solitaire Tins or Sheba Domes. 

Not all of these are expensive but they are better quality.

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2007, 15:53:49 PM »


Have you tried your 2 on pilchards in tomato sauce? Stinky but lovely  :sick:

Yes, done that.  Looked at me as though I was trying to poison them.  :)

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2007, 08:08:58 AM »
thanks Desley - it was a long time ago - I was horrified when I worked it out on my fingers ... getting old :(

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2007, 08:03:38 AM »
I think it is Steatitis that is the problem when you feed a fish only diet, as something in the fish prevents the absorption of Vit E and can make them seriously ill. Found this on a website: Cats fed a diet containing excessive amounts of tuna can
develop steatitis, also known as yellow fat disease."
Tuna fish, and many other fish species, contain relatively large amounts of unsaturated fats. Although health-minded people eat fish to decrease their consumption of saturated fats, the excessive unsaturated fat in a cat’s diet may be harmful.

Tuna and certain other fish possess very little vitamin E. Vitamin E is an important antioxidant. When a cat’s diet consists mostly of tuna fish that is not commercially formulated as cat food, the cat becomes deficient in vitamin E. Dietary unsaturated fats from the fish are oxidized by a biochemical called peroxidase into a substance called
ceroid. Since the affected cat has low vitamin E levels, this oxidation process is not restrained. Ceroid, an abnormal, pigmented, yellow-brown breakdown product of unsaturated fat oxidation, is formed and deposited in fat cells. The result is yellow fat disease(steatitis).

Ceroid triggers an inflammatory response by the immune system as if it were a foreign invader. The subcutaneous fat of cats affected with yellow fat disease causes pain; these cats become hypersensitive and will resist handling and petting. The muscles of affected cats will atrophy and become weak; these cats do not want to move. As the
disease process progresses, the body fat degenerates and is replaced by fibrotic tissue, leaving the skin hard and nodular. Affected cats may also develop fevers unrelated to infection.
Yellow fat disease occurs most commonly in young, overweight male and female cats with inappropriate diets. Treatment includes discontinuing the inappropriate diet and administering therapeutic doses of vitamin E. Corticosteroids may also be prescribed to relieve the inflammatory response.

Even if a tuna-fed cat receives prophylactic or supplemental doses of vitamin E, there are other problems besides steatitis that make feeding tuna unwise. Some believe that tuna contains specific substances (allergens) that stimulate allergic-like disorders in cats.
Cats should be fed a balanced, commercially prepared diet to avoidthese problems."

Blackcat - you are thinking of Taurine, fish does contain small amounts of it, but a cat fed on no meat at all (or mainly dog food) will have a Taurine deficiency, which can cause blindness and heart problems, and killed a lot of cats up until around 30 years ago when they realised that while dogs can make enough themselves, cats can't, hence why cats can't have a vegetarian diet without a lot of supplements, whereas a dog can.
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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2007, 07:17:28 AM »
No, specially formulated cat food that is fish flavoured is not the same. It has additives and other ingredients so is not pure fish like a can of tuna or a real fish carcase.

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2007, 23:33:25 PM »
it is a common mistake to assume fish is good for a cat - comes from all those cartoons i guess, but a diet that is composed entirely of fish will kill a cat. When I worked as a vet assistant we had a very sick kittie who had been fed a fish-only diet. Forget what the problem is, but don't do it. It was very nasty for the cat and the owner... :sick:

When you say this bc do you mean cat fish food as well as human fish?
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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2007, 21:35:58 PM »
no, it began with T. Thiamine? Taurine? something like that. Lynn will know.Too much or too little of whatever it was, stopped vitamin B absorption from memory (it was 30 years ago for heavens sake). But not good for cats.

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2007, 21:21:12 PM »
Maybe because the salt water fish contain too much sodium?

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2007, 21:18:42 PM »
it is a common mistake to assume fish is good for a cat - comes from all those cartoons i guess, but a diet that is composed entirely of fish will kill a cat. When I worked as a vet assistant we had a very sick kittie who had been fed a fish-only diet. Forget what the problem is, but don't do it. It was very nasty for the cat and the owner... :sick:

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2007, 21:14:31 PM »
Thanks!!  I thought the nutrition value of tuna may not be as balanced as it should be, so I don't use it as main nourishment.  It DOES make great treat for them, as well as certain other people food... ;D

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2007, 21:08:24 PM »
Tuna is high in magnesium which is can contribute to urinary crystals in cats.  It's best fed as an occasional treat.

Interesting website  ;D
I'd say the same about dry food tho (not in respect to Mg levels) as cats fed dry have crystals in their urine that vets now call 'normal' levels.   :o

When Tazs problems started the vet told me he had some crystals present but they were normal and insignificant  :Crazy:


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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2007, 20:47:14 PM »
Tuna is high in magnesium which is can contribute to urinary crystals in cats.  It's best fed as an occasional treat.

If you want to see how tuna measures up when compared to a cat's needs - there's a nice little table here  ;D

http://maxshouse.com/Tuna_and_Cats_Nutritional_Facts.htm

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2007, 20:42:42 PM »
Its not dangerous as such but cats can get addicted to it and its deficient in essential vitamins. Fed in moderation with a complete diet making up the main part is ok. My lot love their tinned fish, much better than go cat with its colourants!


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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2007, 20:27:05 PM »
I am aware of the danger of tuna, and therefore feed it at a level that is safe.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the problem associated with feeding tuna??? :-:  I know it is like every cat's favourite treat and Ollie has a small tin a couple of times a week... :scared:

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2007, 19:31:56 PM »
Just working my way through some Waitrose own brand, the cats hate it and they are not fussy eaters. Luckily Shadow thinks it is the Cat's pyjamas!! :rofl: :rofl: But he is a labrador so what would he know  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2007, 16:11:35 PM »
JWB is really palatable  :drool;  Burns is a good food but high in rice so blander, my lot ate it but they are piggies and it was only a small bag.

If you want to try purina tesco are currently giving away 50p coupons as part of pet week  ;)

Have you tried your 2 on pilchards in tomato sauce? Stinky but lovely  :sick:


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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2007, 12:13:02 PM »
Yes, milk and cream in anything other than very small quantities are not good for cats, and cause diarrhoea.  That is why I said 'a little fresh cream' in my posting - it was a very small amount as a treat.  I once kept a cat with a jaw injury going on cream.  It was the only thing worth the pain of extending his tongue, and very small amounts, served on my finger, kept him going over the two days when his injury was at its most painful.

There are other foods too that cats like which are not good for them.  Tuna is one.  It contains no vitamin E, and can cause serious illness in cats if it is fed exclusively.  But that doesn't mean they can't have the occasional meal as a treat, because they love it.

I suppose cats share with us that quality of liking things that are not good for us.

Anyway, many thanks for all the helpful replies, and for the links.  Have ordered some dry food, and will try to find out what my cats prefer over the coming months.  :)
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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2007, 06:12:51 AM »
lang, milk and cream are not good for a cat. As Gwen says, even cats that like it get diarrhoea. If you want to feed milk then there are cat-suitable milks available from the pet supplies areas. Personally I would not bother as it is just another way to get you to spend money. Good quality cat foods save you money in the long run as the risk of food-related problems like crystals in their urine are minimised and they are also generally much healthier as is reflected in the quality of their coats when on proper diet.

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2007, 00:31:20 AM »
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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2007, 00:00:44 AM »
whilst i was looking at the pic of misty look what happened  :rofl:

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2007, 23:18:35 PM »
he can drink half a pint in one go  :wow:

Misty is Just over 16, and I was Buying him Cat Milk, but he has stopped drinking that too >:(
used to take Grass from outside (as they were indoor Cat's) but I went away and got the
Grass you grow especially for Cat's and Misty wont eat it :-:

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2007, 23:08:15 PM »
correct me if I'm wrong but Cats are Lactose-Intolerant, Cream and Milk have Lactose in it... don't they???

I was led to believe that Cats liked milk through TV etc.. and I had a similar response from my furbabes
they looked at it' then Looked at me as if they were saying " What the  :censored: is this " >:(

 

Ging my 17 year old loves his milk and he has a bit every now and then and he can drink half a pint in one go but I have to limit it because he has bad diorhea after if he gets too much :(
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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2007, 23:06:31 PM »
My two male cats who are 11 and 17 were on go cat until about 6 weeks ago and I have definately seen an improvement in their coats since they have been on JWB,they don't eat as much of it either,so its dear when you buy it initially but it lasts longer than the boxes of go cat I used to go through in a week.  Mine still have felix pouches but I don't feel so bad about that not as I am feeding them a better quality dry but they do have the natures menu if its on offer,my cats call me meowmy scrooge :evillaugh:
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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2007, 23:04:16 PM »
correct me if I'm wrong but Cats are Lactose-Intolerant, Cream and Milk have Lactose in it... don't they???

I was led to believe that Cats liked milk through TV etc.. and I had a similar response from my furbabes
they looked at it' then Looked at me as if they were saying " What the  :censored: is this " >:(

P.S. THIS WEEK Misty is eating Whiskas Senior in Jelly and Supermeat, I had Liams cat biscuits
but I havent topped up the bowel for ages, think he's went of them now.

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2007, 22:54:59 PM »
Pets at Home give away free samples of their dry food too, they are normally in little baskets by the till or near the front doors. 

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2007, 22:48:48 PM »
You can get free samples of James Wellbeloved here

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2007, 22:27:04 PM »
Ok, many thanks to everybody for their replies.  I will try some other dry foods, but I am dealing with two cats which, when I once put down a little fresh cream for them, looked at me as though I was trying to poison them.  :) 

We'll see what they find palatable. Thanks for the help.

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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2007, 22:21:16 PM »
I believe that burns dry food works out very cheaply and is also very high quality, unfortunately my lot will only eat hills!  I know that burns will send you a free sample

Thanks.  Will look them up.  :)

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2007, 21:04:26 PM »
I personally wouldnt' feed Go Cat, and if you change, you might find your cats fur is better. If you can only get to a supermarket, I would try something like Purina, Olli or HiLife and there are some 'premium' supermarket brands that are quite high in meat. You might also want to see what your vets stock, I can get JWB through my vet at the RRP, they dont add anything on.
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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2007, 18:16:11 PM »
Go Cat is a complete food, which means it has all the nutrients a cat requires and in the correct proportions.  But it isn't the best food as it contains some poor ingredients and, I think, colours?  It's important to get a good quality dry food if you can, as the poorer dry foods can contribute to urinary problems such as crystals.  You'll need to feed less of a better quality food so although it may seem more expensive to buy, the cost per meal isn't necessarily more than the cheaper foods.

If your cat will eat them, some good dry foods (imo) are
James Wellbeloved
PAH own brand
Royal Canin
Burns
Orijen (a grain free dry available online from zooplus)

That's not an exhaustive list.  In general, you'll find a better quality dry food at a specialist pet store than at the supermarket.  If you look at the ingredients you want to see meat or meat meal as the first or second ingredient and not too many grains (corn, wheat, rice etc).  I, personally, avoid anything with artificial preservatives or colours too.

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2007, 17:12:32 PM »
Hi Lang &  :welcome: to Purrs

Quite a lot of people on here feed James Wellbeloved, it's a really high quality food with a good meat %, have a look on the Go-cat packaging and you'll be really surprised at how little meat they actually contain.  You can get JWB from most petshops and online but don't think I've seen it in supermarkets (might be wrong though as I do my grocery shopping online most of the time), it may seem more expensive than Go-cat but because it's such good quality you feed much less of it so it doesn't work out that much more expensive in the long run.

I feed my two indoor 7 month old boys mainly wet but the biscuits they have are 'Pets at Home complete dry food', it's a premium food and has pretty much the same ingredients as JWB (and the same high meat content) and mine love it.  It's quite often on special offer so I always stock up and get loads  :evillaugh:

The JWB is around £10.50 for 2kg and the Pets at Home version is £7.50 for 2kg.

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2007, 17:06:37 PM »
I'm a big Royal Canin fan. They do work out pricy, but compared to wet food, I don't think it works out more meal for meal. A 2kg bag costs around £13 from pet shops and they do a variety for any need. They definately have an Indoor one and they do a fabulous one called Exigent which disappears off plates like magic.

Also, RC help rescues out so you know you're giving your hard-earned cash to a helpful company  ;)!

Indoor varieties contain extra greens and if you do decide to keep on the GoCat, they do an indoor one too.

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2007, 17:05:03 PM »
My boy will eat most things, he used to have Whiskas supermeat together with Whiskas or Go-Cat crunch, but I changed as I wasn't aware they have a very low meat content in the wet food, and the dry food is mainly cereal which is not so good for them sometimes.

Max now has Natures Menu wet food, pretty much like the supermeat he used to have, but 70% meat content, and has special dental crunch from the vets.  I had to cut down on the dry food though as Max was getting a bit porky, and that's one of the main culprits  :shy:  He also has Applaws tins occasionally as well, and would sell his soul for the chicken and cheese tins  :evillaugh:

Trouble is all these fancy foods do cost quite a bit.  If your cats are happy and healthy on what they're eating, and they're getting a complete balance of food, then I would not worry.  Just check on the packaging whether its complete or complientary food, as this is not always clear or obvious  ;)

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2007, 16:59:51 PM »
I have heard discussions on here about Go Cat biscuits and the concensus seems to be they are not the best  but I also believe that you should feed a cat what it will eat and there is no point trying to feed a higher quality cat food to find it refuses to eat.

Go Cat is a complete food and you are also feeding a complete wet food so your cats should be fine.

However if you want to change to a better quality biscuit, there are many on the supermarket shelves. The best way is to look at the ingredients and try to find one that seems to be more healthy.

In theory you cat could live on cat buscuits alone or wet food alone as long as they are on complete foods but many of us do what you do and have both available.

My cats eat felix jelly pouches and TechniCal bisciuts but the latter cannot be bought in the shops. They also eat Purina 1 fish biscuits, they dont like the chicken ones althogh the TechniCal are chicken. I have 4 cats by the way , hence the two sorts of biscuits ................sigh  :rofl: :rofl:

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2007, 16:54:12 PM »
I believe that burns dry food works out very cheaply and is also very high quality, unfortunately my lot will only eat hills!  I know that burns will send you a free sample

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2007, 16:48:57 PM »
Not at all, that's why I posted here, to get information.  Thank you.  :)

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Re: Cat feeding
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2007, 16:44:43 PM »
Some one once told me that feeding Gocat is like feeding a child McDonalds every day, the salt content is very high and personally I feel that its best to feed a high quality dried food.  Our vet did say that these biscuits can cause cystitis because of the high salt content.  Hope I havnt cause any offence
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2007, 16:32:30 PM »
I have two cats, both four years old.  I am currently feeding them on a morning meal of cat biscuits, and in the evening half a tin each of wet cat food.  I use a variety of foods - the biscuits I currently have are Go Cat, and the canned cat food is mainly Whiskas with the occasional tin of a different make of food and, up to couple of times a month, tinned tuna.

I am aware of the danger of tuna, and therefore feed it at a level that is safe.  The cats love it, and it makes a good occasional treat without any health issues.  However, I have now been told by two people that the biscuits I am feeding the cats are intended as treats only, and should never be fed as a meal.

This seems odd to me, because looking at the packet I have at present, it does say 'Complete Cat Food'.  I would be interested to hear from anybody who is knowledgable about cat nutrition.  Is this diet suitable for two young, but indoor, cats?  I realise that if they were out I would have to feed more, but they both appear to be content and healthy.  Is there any long-term implication of feeding these biscuits as a meal?


 


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