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Re: Tom again
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2007, 22:56:36 PM »
So pleased he has iomproved  ;D

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2007, 07:57:38 AM »
Bless you Tom - Paddy sez he gets "sneezers" too and they're a bloomin' nuisance and they make him cross!

Am so glad his symptoms are subsiding Rosella.  He's a little trooper.  Sending loving thoughts to both of you.  Keep up the good work   :hug:



(Tess sez she does get sneezers too but she likes them coz they feel funny!)

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2007, 07:50:48 AM »
Am glad that he is getting better.
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Re: Tom again
« Reply #36 on: August 01, 2007, 07:48:29 AM »
We is both not bad ta Sue  :thanks:

Tom's recent symptoms have pretty well subsided and we keep a very sharp eye out for any signs returning. Touch wood things on that front much better although our little man has been sneezing for the last couple of days (no discharge etc and eating well) so vet visit looming if no better by this evening just to get anti biotics and knock it on the head. Tom does have a tendency to have stress related sneezing sessions bless him and he has been through the wars a bit in recent weeks.

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #35 on: August 01, 2007, 07:40:41 AM »
Rosella, how is Tom, and how are you?

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2007, 20:29:17 PM »
Sending lots of warm thoughts your way Rosella.   Lots of chin tickles and ear rubs for Tom too.  Paddy says "take your time me fine fellow, nice and steady"   :care:

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2007, 09:01:08 AM »
Please take him to see Mr Bate, I'm sure your vet wouldn't be offended. The reason I recommend this course of action is that he has a strange knack of being able to diagnose illnesses. I'm sure (but haven't asked) that he comes from a family of vets.

What would be the harm in one appointment with him? And it could do Tom so much good.  You don't need a referral from your usual vet, it's just good manners to let him know.  The test results etc would only be an issue if Mr Bate suggests doing tests (Polly didn't have any, he just gave her lots of physical examinations).  If you like my vet, you could ask your usual vet for a copy of the test results to show to him.

Tom is your cat, not the vet's.

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2007, 08:19:44 AM »
Things are sounding good.
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Re: Tom again
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2007, 21:44:19 PM »
He is a brave little man  ;D

Certainly not being able to walk on something that moves sounds like ears but it also sounds like he is coping well and I think you are right Rosella.

The fact he is eating is great and I would not be down hearted cos he is making the best of everything  ;D

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2007, 21:30:18 PM »
Just a quick update..

Obviously, due to swaying about, Tom has had particular probs walking on the bed. We noticed he seemed more steady genarally this morning but tonight he slowly walked the full width of the bed twice to get his chicken without even a wobble. He nearly ate me when I got home at 6 as OH had to go to a customer this afternoon and Tom didn't get his lunch of OH's bits of ham sandwich. I've decided to be optimistic. What's the point of living in dread when he's giving it all he can?  :)

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2007, 16:48:27 PM »
that doesnt surprise me desley, i'd also expect only a few uni's have that equipment.

My boss practically did key hole surgery on spays anyway, even a medium sized dog would only have 1  subcut stitch which is about the same as needed for the endoscope thingy to be put in if doing proper keyhole  ;D

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2007, 09:17:35 AM »
Yes Desley. Rosella is now going to try and give Tom recovery time. He is pretty good this morning which is great and the sun is out which always helps.

Wow, £2,000 for an MRI!

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2007, 08:25:14 AM »
At least he has had a clean bill of health, and maybe you will just have to accept this as part of the aging process. Fingers crossed the Metacam has some effect though,
Lynn - the specialist I had to take Tiger to has just got an MRI machine, but it costs £2k per time!! They also have better ultrasound machines than most vets, and are now doing keyhole surgery when spaying dogs.
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Re: Tom again
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2007, 23:00:47 PM »
I imagine my vet would have suggested Bristol University if I really pushed it Lynn but he wasn't suggesting MRI scan as a way ahead.

Meanwhile, you are right that Tom generally has a good quality of life.  Tommy just came down stairs wailing and swaggered in here to say hi everyone. Tonight is his last night of taking my place in my bed, I'm moving back tomorrow come hell or high water.  Sleeping in spare bedroom gives him more room in bed with OH but more importantly keep the other 2 boys at bay. They go mental if they can't get to their mom so can't lock them out. Crazy cat lady off to bed now....

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2007, 22:41:25 PM »
ok question..do normal vet practicioners have the equipment these days to do mri scans in surgery ?

these werent really being done just a few years ago in uni's.

Hope it is something that burns out on its own rosella and in the meantime tom has a good qualitiy of life which i'm sure he is just now  :hug:

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2007, 22:35:19 PM »
Yes read the book when I was small ;D
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Re: Tom again
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2007, 22:29:05 PM »
Yeah I used to love Rex Harrison in Dr Doolittle  :rofl:

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2007, 22:27:09 PM »
Thanks Rosella   ;D Nobody clucking round me cept the Gang of 4 and I think their clucking has some=thing to do with them eating and not me  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yes I understand totally what you are saying about his age and quality of life and hope that if its a virus it burns out quickly  ;D

I do wish cats could talk and tell us how they feel or why they hate that food, or where it hurts.

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2007, 22:22:59 PM »
Thanks so much Gill. Vet said that it could be ear problem and that we could do MRI and other tests but to what end? He thinks very unlikely to be an infection of ear that can be treated with drugs. He said that, if it were an ear problem (not infection) or any other problem in Tom's brain and thereabouts, there is nothing that can be done without major invasive treatment that I am not prepared to go ahead with. The inner ear in a cat is so deep within a cat's head.

I am really trying to rule out any conditions that I am able to influence without major trauma to Tom. He is 17 1/2 and there is the quality of life argument which I know you fully understand.

I suppose Tom's best hope is a virus that burns itself out and a mother who learns to chill out a little.

I'm so sorry to hear (oh dear excuse pun) that you have such problems. It must be awful and I don't suppose you have a Rosella clucking around after you to ensure you have eaten etc.  :hug: Gill. Wish I could wave a magic wand for you.

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2007, 21:49:36 PM »
If its a stroke an MRI scan of the brain would show it along with any blood clots or any other problems. They actually see so much on MRI scans that somethings they dont know what they are yet.

Usually when you have had a stroke it shows as patches in the brain, sometimes very small. What they cant tell is when it happened unless there ghas been a previous MRI.

My ear problem was originally thought to be a stroke and my doctor would not believe that it was an ear problem and also I apparently had high blood pressure but I now have a white coat effect. The MRI scan did not show any proper signs of a stroke although there was some minor damage. However when I eventually saw an ear specialist he knew staright away I had an ear problem and its something that you cant see.

I would think that the next step would be an MRI but they are expensive and Tom would have to be sedated heavily, I think.

As he doesnt have high blood pressure and all other tests are normal, I would still think its an ear problem but maybe one that they cannot do anything about in a cat.

Even GPs dont recognoze the symptoms of  many ear problems and the symptoms it seems are the same as a minor stroke ie one that does not cause loss of movement caused by damage to the  brain.

I also had heart checks and all sorts but at end of day its my ears and sadly I learned that although the brain learns very quickly that you are unbalanced, after a couple of weeks without corrective treatment , it does not learn that you are balanced again for a very long time. Its now over 3 years since I had treatment but although I am much more balanced I am still not fully balanced and may never be so again.

I am assuming that a cats ear works the same as a humans and that within the ear it has crystals that are on tiny hairs. If a virus damages the hairs the crystals can end up in the wrong part of the ear and this causes the imbalance. Until it settles this is made worse by movement cos one gets dizzy , pulled to one side or falls over. Ironically once an Epley manoevre is performed on a human its movement that helps to re-educate the brain that the person is balanced again. The critical time is two weeks from onset and if the Epley manoevre is performed in this time, one can be better immediately. In my case it took over a year to diagnose.

I suspect you cannot do this prodcedure with a cat cos I had to remain at no worse than a 45 degree angle for 24 hrs after the treatment to allow the crystals to settle back into the right part of the ear.

I am obviously no expert but would have thought that a stroke would have indicators of high blood pressure and the problem is ear/brain oriented. It could of course be brain oriented and not an ear problem. One can also have an ear virus which can not be treated or seen that gives this effect too but the virus just has to burn itself out.

I really hope that Tom starts to improve without any backward steps  :hug: :hug:

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2007, 21:24:31 PM »
Xray of his heart Gill which apparently is in fine fettle. Vet even said he cannot now detect the very slight heart murmur detected by his young colleague the Saturday before last.  He said heart murmurs can be temporary though. He's a little butter, Thomas not the vet. He's eating like a horse as obviously not fed at vets and is making up for it.  Have to give him small quantities to stop him eating too quick.

SO WHAT IS THE SWAYING ALL ABOUT THEN AND THE MINI FIT LIKE THING IN WEE HOURS OF SUNDAY

I swear this really IS happening. Thankfully the vet seems to believe me and doesn't think I'm a crazy cat lady.

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2007, 21:12:47 PM »
I am so sorry that Tom is ill again  :hug: :hug:

Its strange how nothing shows on the tests, what bit of him did they xray?

Hope that he gradually recovers  again, also as he is hungry  its strange cos usually cats go right off their food when feeling ill.

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2007, 20:10:21 PM »
Xray showed heart OK. Blood pressure within normal parameters at 150. All his tests show him to be the healthiest 17 year old cat imagineable but he still is very unstable at times and had mini fit like symptoms on Sunday. 

Tom jumped out of carrier in hallway when he got home and big stagger then ran into kitchen and demanded his grub.

Vet has said he is now more inclined to think stroke than ever (or something very much brain related) and nothing to be done except keep an eye and treat symptoms if they get worse e.g. anti nausea. Meanwhile make metacam more regular (once a day for this arthritis so he is relatively more comfortable and can help if any anti inflammatory might help what is going on in his head)) and bring Tom in every so often for check ups. 

Tom didn't need sedation at all bless him, he just allowed all tests coz my boy is a star.

What haven't I done? (except second opinion which I'm really not inclined to at the moment...)

Sue, didn't Paddy have a stroke?  Does any of this make any sense to you at all?

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2007, 13:58:58 PM »
Got everything crossed for Tom, let us know how he gets on  :hug:

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2007, 13:56:39 PM »
I hope the results show what is going on and its something they can treat.
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Re: Tom again
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2007, 12:36:15 PM »
Aw....Good Luck Tom & Rosella  :hug:

A full day of testing will hopefully show up something!

 :Luv:Tom for being a good boy at the vets  :Luv:

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2007, 12:30:41 PM »
Been to vets this morning with Thomas. He has returned to about the same as he was last Monday which is certainly better than the wee hours of Sunday but not too good.

The blood tests that were done last Monday were in fact more than I realised Lynn  :-[ and included Haematology and everything, including white cell count, in the normal range. I hadn't appreciated that and assumed that it was just like the one I had done with my neighbours cat which is where I got the list from.  When I rang last week for test results vet was in surgery but nurse said everything in normal range so didn't discuss it much then.

Vet still thinks that most likely cause is a stroke although he cannot be sure. The fact that Tom's symptoms are so generalised though seems to point towards it. He thinks an ear infection is unlikely.

I told him that, short of anything invasive, I want to do everything I can to get to the bottom of this so
Tom is at vets for the day to have blood pressure tested and xray done. Vet will give Tom  a sedative but very little as he is a good boy  :Luv: and sedative could affect blood pressure reading. Will let you know later what transpires.

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2007, 19:36:54 PM »
I know (I remember from reading a James Herriot book many many years ago) and have come across a similar situation in the past with a neighbours cat and didn't touch him.

I was stupid Lynn but, in my defence, it was 3am and it was a shock.  Hope to God it doesn't happen again but if it does I will do my best to leave him alone. Got it'll be hard tho as my impulse was to pick my boy up to reassure him.

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2007, 19:35:12 PM »
its terribly distressing desley actually to both owner and cat/animal but they can be highly dangerous as you unfortunately found out.  Its not so much they will bite (well our fingers get in the way) but they arent conscious to know to let go  :scared:

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2007, 19:30:34 PM »
I made the mistake of trying to wipe Charlies mouth when she was fitting, and got an infected finger for my concern!!
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Re: Tom again
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2007, 19:27:30 PM »
the only thing i will say if he or any cat were to have a full blown fit is be very careful, they arent concious and could bite so if their jaws are totally clamped down on your finger or hand wild horses wont be able to prize them open, plus also extra stimulation by stroking or picking them up (in case of proper seizures) can make them come on properly, prolong them or make them worse as its all extra impulses in the brain which is already sizzling if that makes sense.

Making sure they cant injure themselves, are in no immediate danger, lowering lights and keeping everything VERY quiet is normally the best thing to do. (obseving to make sure they come round ok of course, in case of status fits then vets are needed asap.

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2007, 19:25:10 PM »
Aww, I do hope the vet can get to the bottom of this, and it isn't anything too serious.
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Re: Tom again
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2007, 15:50:39 PM »
Thanks Ruth. Me too.

Thanks Helen. That is very helpful. I recalled that previous vet had been able to tell my old fella Gandolf RIP had high white cell count indicating an infection a few years ago but couldn't remember whether that was for normal geriatric blood tests or follow on blood tests thatwere just looking for poss liver problems. Must have been the latter.

Cheers Lynn.  I will ask vet tomorrow to do full works test including haematoloy and maybe blood pressure as I would very much like to rule out anything that can be treated as stroke or vestibular disease doesn't appear to be treatable. Fit-like spasms last night were alarming altho didn't last long.  Strange, all I could think was "you mustn't touch him if he's having a fit in case you make it worse" but I couldn't help picking him up and he just relaxed.

He is currently on the bed having eaten again although back legs are now very splayed when eating to help his balance

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2007, 15:46:42 PM »
Rosella the tests you mentioned are "biochemistry" parameters, You will need to request "haematology" aswell to get all the various blood cell counts ie white/red/platelets etc etc

Also if he's only had the mini biochem profile it might be a thing to ask them to do the "full works" .

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2007, 15:32:45 PM »
OMG!  :hug :hug: to the both of you......the poor little man has been having an awful worrying time of late....i hope the vets manage to get to the bottom of this shortly  :hug:

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2007, 13:28:17 PM »
Sorry to hear Tom is still poorly  :hug:  Am no expert but learnt a bit about blood results from when Tiggy was poorly.

The ones you mention are:

ALKP - Alkaline phosphates, an enzyme - high readings can be indicative of liver issues

ALT- Again an enzyme - high readings indicative of liver issues

UREA - A wate product, high readings indicative of kidney issues

CREAT - Creatinine, a waste product excreted by the kidneys - high readings indicative of kidney issues

GLU - Glucose, basically blood sugar levels

TP - Total protein in blood

White cell count would be WBC (white blood cells) and L/M (lymphocytes).  Hope that helps, please keep us posted on how he is doing, fingers crossed for the vets.

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2007, 13:15:15 PM »
Cheers Ruth.  Will PM Lynn.

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Re: Tom again
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2007, 11:19:30 AM »
Oh Rosella. Poor Tom. I've been reading on other thread but didn't want to post and add an opinion since mine isn't really one that can help with this. Maybe PM Lynn as when she logs in she should be able to give you an informed opinion on the tests?
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Tom again
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2007, 11:15:10 AM »
Tom gradually been going downhill again since Thurs evening (throwing up and off food all of Friday and wobbliness coming back but eating again yesterday) and got quite bad overnight although things calmed down a bit now but still wobbly.  3am very wobbly and fell in kitchen (I was dishing out some food for him so heard him fall on lino, didn't see him fall)  and sort of had spasms i.e. on his side with all 4 legs sticking out straight in front of him and stiff. I thought he was having a fit but lasted only a couple of seconds. He has been eating OK and keeping it down so am not at all inclined to avail myself of VetsNOW emergency services as I have the same branch as Hippykitty.

To recap, his blood tests results last Monday were within normal range altho I don't have a copy. Can anyone tell me whether normal geriatric blood tests would show any signs of infection e.g. raised white cells count?  The tests cover ALKP, ALT, UREA, CREATIN, GLU and TP but I don't know if any of these relate to white cell count.   

I am of course going to my own vet tomorrow and will have a more in depth discussion re blood tests, stroke, fits, vestibular disease, antibiotics in case an infection, poss high blood pressure and possible referral to Hippykitty's vet for 2nd opinion

 


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