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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #106 on: July 27, 2007, 08:15:41 AM »
She has just tried to be sick again and only brought up bile - am hoping it is furball related, have given her a plate of sardines in oil, and when she has finished in the tray, shall give her some KAtalax. I know there is no chance of getting her in this morning, I just remembered my vet telling me that she needed to split herself in two with the workload she had on today, hopefully they can squeeze me in at the end of surgery, or give me some tips instead!!
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #105 on: July 27, 2007, 08:00:06 AM »
Thanks for the wishes, we might need them!!
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #104 on: July 27, 2007, 07:56:42 AM »
yes, that's the trouble with kitties. they don't drink enough. Well fingers crossed and good luck with the fund-raising event.

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #103 on: July 27, 2007, 07:55:27 AM »
Just tried to check - I would say she is very slightly, but she didn't appreciate my concern so wasn't very co-operative. shall ring the vets today, as I am fundraising in the morning, which is the only time my vets open on a weekend!! Have added water to her food (Which she ignored) and put fresh water in front of her which she also ignored!!
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #102 on: July 27, 2007, 07:53:30 AM »
lol, yes you should always remember to touch wood when you say things like that. It's just that kitties dehydrate very rapidly when vomitting and diarrhoea-ish (?sp). And today is forecast fine and warm. So do try to check before you go won't you (of course you will). Hugs to both of you.

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #101 on: July 27, 2007, 07:48:00 AM »
Dont know yet - last night I would have said not, as I heard someone at the water bowl, and Molly was next to me (only have the two of them in the room at night) - she doesn't like being touched, so checking things like that is tricky with her, but will do so before I go to work in case I need to book her in - was giong to pick up some more sensitivity food for her tonight anyway. Only told the vets last night I would see them in a month, must stop jinxing myself!!
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #100 on: July 27, 2007, 07:43:04 AM »
desley is she dehydrated? Try pinching the loose skin on her back and seeing how long it takes to return to its normal position. If she is then I am afraid another trip to the vet is in order, and urgently ...

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #99 on: July 27, 2007, 07:40:32 AM »
Not a good morning - last night, she had stopped eating so much, I had hoped she was just settling down, although she was showing interest in food (Came running over cos she heard my frozen veg going in the pan!!), but then not eating much when you gave it her (gave her different wet last night, but not dry), there was a slight amount of runny poo in the tray last night, but have come down this morning to sickness and diarrhea, Tiger didn't want to move to have her breakfast, put it in her bed with her, she sniffed it, walked away and has now gone outside. Getting concerned at how much she is being sick, this is actually the third time this week, the vet put the first time down to her eating too quickly, and the second was a furball. She isn't the kind of cat who is sick though.
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #98 on: July 26, 2007, 20:32:33 PM »
Thanks. had a chat with my vet cos I was up with Lucy, and she has persuaded me to go with the exploratory surgery, apparently the specialist has told her that he is hoping it is a ligament damage causing inflammation, in which case he might be able to repair it. She has warned me though that if it is a tumour, she wouldnt do the amputation - I trust her judgement though, as it is the same as what I was thinking - I would rather her hopefully have a few months before it made her unable to walk than put her through an amputation and her have less time before being unable to walk due to the arthritis in her hip. WAs a bit of an emotional visit though, I mentioned the fact that unlike Pebbles, we know there is something else going on (it was suspected with Pebbles, but tests couldnt' prove it, unlike Tiger), and the vet interrupted me to say that she wished she could have done a postmortem on Pebbles to find out exactly what had gone on. have to say I sort of wish she had mentioned it at the time, it might have been nice to know exactly what the issue was.
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #97 on: July 26, 2007, 13:18:23 PM »
MM - can't remember if they x-rayed her as well as doing an ultrasound on her, steroids did help her tummy though, so that might be the way to go. Obviously it depends on the leg though, knowing my luck, treatment for one will be ruled out by the issue with the other.
Hi Jane - yep, she has been checked for it, we were hoping that is what it would show, as it was one of the better options for her hunger yet weight loss, but it showed a low thyroid level rather htan a high one, so it is being suppressed by illness.
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #96 on: July 26, 2007, 10:40:35 AM »
Has she been checked for hyperthyroidism Desley because the funny tummy, hunger and grumpyness are classis signs (having had 2 cats and myself with it) Hope she soon gets sorted poor thing.
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #95 on: July 26, 2007, 10:14:03 AM »
Thanks guys.
Liz - I just wish cancer could be ruled out, but even if I do the exploratory surgery on her leg, she could still have lymphoma, which could be the reason for her tummy. He did mention gut biopsies, which I assume would rule that out, but not sure I want to put her through that either.

Taffy had Lymphoma in his intestines, it wasnt found in a physical but was finally picked up on an x-ray. Preds are sometimes useful for lymphomas, my friends cat got an extra year before it came back and caused him problems.

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #94 on: July 26, 2007, 07:47:09 AM »
Thanks guys.
Liz - I just wish cancer could be ruled out, but even if I do the exploratory surgery on her leg, she could still have lymphoma, which could be the reason for her tummy. He did mention gut biopsies, which I assume would rule that out, but not sure I want to put her through that either.
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #93 on: July 25, 2007, 21:46:53 PM »
I can only echo what the others have said and I know you care about your cats so much and will do everything in your power for them  :hug:

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #92 on: July 25, 2007, 17:28:43 PM »
It must be very frustrating for you, but at least a start has been made to try and work out whats wrong. :hug:

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #91 on: July 25, 2007, 15:22:20 PM »
I think Liz says it just right and i hope the phonecall goes they way you want.

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #90 on: July 25, 2007, 14:23:06 PM »
Sorry to hear you are still in the wondering zone but at least a lot of stuff is being ruled out

Whatever way you go forward Des as you have done with all your furbabes it will be done with a lot of research and love and at the end of the day what is best for you and Tiger will be the outcome

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #89 on: July 25, 2007, 14:19:40 PM »
Desley. I've been following this thread in background. Have nothing of any use to offer except good vibes. Just wanted you to know that I'm rooting for Tiger and really feel for you with the worry you are having to cope with  :hug:

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #88 on: July 25, 2007, 13:26:14 PM »
Sorry to hear you've still not got any definitive answers, it must be an awful worry  :hug:

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #87 on: July 25, 2007, 13:10:28 PM »
OMG....the plot thickens.......wishing you and Tiger a solid outcome and an end to all of this soon  :hug:

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #86 on: July 25, 2007, 11:52:19 AM »
Sorry it isn't at all clear-cut with Tiger - keep us posted.

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #85 on: July 25, 2007, 07:34:58 AM »
Got the last of her blood test results through yesterday, it isn't what we were hoping. Rather than having a high thyroid level, she has a low one, which the vet says is down to illness somewhere in her body suppressing it - we did already know she was ill of course, they just dont know if this is related to her leg, tummy or something else entirely. A couple of other levels were slightly high/low, but he wasn't too concerned about any of those. So, her thyroid isn't the reason she is eating so much (I did a little test last night, and she had about 2 pouches plus 2 lots of dry (about 30-40g) and was still asking for food - she was funny with her first lot of dry, she left some, so I picked it up, as soon as she heard me do that, she came running back in and ate more, and did that twice until the bowl was empty, then still asked for more, I just made her wait a bit in case she was sick.). Her poos haven't been that bad - I stopped the Panacur as seh was being fussy, and I didn't know if it was the food or the meds that was doing it. I told the internal medicine vet I was happy to not give her anything for the diarrhea and see how she goes, cos I have had cancer ruled out, and he said that we can't actually rule out lymphoma, especially of the bowel, and that could explain some of her symptoms. He isn't going to put her through any more tests until we know what the situation is with her leg though, and is going to get the ortho vet to ring me today to discuss what we do next.
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #84 on: July 24, 2007, 08:52:43 AM »
Sorry to hear you're having such a tough time at the moment with Tiger  :hug:

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #83 on: July 24, 2007, 07:54:58 AM »
I know that the choice you make for her will be for her wellbeing not your own....Good Luck  :hug:

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #82 on: July 22, 2007, 19:18:39 PM »
Thanks. I hope I can make the right choice for her.
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2007, 19:10:40 PM »
Awww, Desley. You're both having it pretty rough! Whatever you decide will be the right thing for Tiger, because you know her better than anyone.




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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2007, 18:58:34 PM »
Just tired today, was drinking again yesterday, fortunately felt the effects better the second day!! Out of all the people I have spoken to, only one thinks it is worth putting her through the surgery to see what the score is. I am swaying towards not doing, but just need to ask the vet a few questions - I am debating seeing what other treatment they could do if it was indeed just chronic inflammation, if there is nothing more we can try on top of what has already been done this year, it is pointless putting her through the surgery - I wouldnt put her through the amputation because of the arthritis in her hips, the vet can't guarantee she would be able to manage afterwards with the extra weight on an arthritic hip, which is already the worse of the two, and while ultimately if it is cancer she wont be able to walk on the left leg, I am hoping I will buy her more time, and not put her through 2 surgeries. The main worry is the fact it is a painful cancer. She is still eating me out of house and home, I bought her some Asda Tiger food yesterday as that is what she came to me eating (other theory is a food allergy), and she brought the first lot up yesterday within minutes!! She has had 2 lots of sensitivity food since then and have tried again, and she has kept it down this time. IF the thyroid test comes back normal, we have drawn a blank as to why she is constantly hungry yet losing weight - I have had to stop the Panacur, as she wasn't eating much sensitivity, and I didn't know if it was the food she was fed up of, or the meds in it.
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2007, 06:34:44 AM »
Well......is it a "Hic" or a hangover then Des?  :evillaugh:

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #78 on: July 19, 2007, 20:06:59 PM »
No, it was Spindle Cell Tumour (not particularly common I dont think)- apparently if they are under the skin, they are bad, cos they sort of grow legs and spread, but in joints they are very bad, as you can't just remove the tumour, you have to remove the whole limb - and it does tend to be a painful cancer. Vet wasn't sounding very optimistic if it does turn out to be that, she agreed with my way of thinking that amputation isn't so straight forward due to the arthritis in her hips - esp in view of the fact the right hip is worse, as that is the one that would end up carrying the most, plus her temperament. She then did remind me that we could just be looking at inflammation, but she has already told the specialist that it's unlikely as it is one of my cats!!! One other puzzling thing is that nothing showed up on the x-ray, both of them would have expected something with the amount of swelling. Vet has decided that if I ever get a cat with an unexplained limp and x-rays show nothing, she is immediately doing a joint tap - if she had thought of that, she wouldn't have had to refer me. She seems happy for me to ignore the tummy issue for the moment, I am happy that cancer has been ruled out (although only in one place), and the vet has told hte specialist that while her thyroid levels were at the high end, she doesn't think it is thyroid related, partly in light of no other high values, and partly just a feeling. We shall see by Monday, and then decide about this exploratory surgery - at least the ultrasound has showed perfect abdominal organs.
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #77 on: July 19, 2007, 12:37:04 PM »
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #76 on: July 19, 2007, 12:04:50 PM »
was it squamous cell tumour des ?

What ever it turns out to be it sounds very uncommon indeed.  But atleast they have identified there IS something wrong, rather than the limp and never anything identified.

I'm sorry i cant remember ever dealing with something that had been referred and having the cells looked at (in a cat any way)  and i cant say i've much experience of cancer in the leg other than bone cancer or a skin type cancer so i'm  absolutely no help.

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #75 on: July 19, 2007, 09:44:43 AM »
You have so much to think about from the vets at the moment, I'm sure your head is spinning around. It sounds as if the vet is really getting to the bottom of Tigers ailments. Even is Tiger does not want one I am sending her a big hug and lots of good thoughts for you. :hug:

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #74 on: July 18, 2007, 23:00:49 PM »
Thanks - my event on Fri has a free bar for 5.5 hours, think i will be taking advantage somehow!! And then more at the barbecue on Sat!! As well as the issues with Tiger, I have no washer or TV this week, hopefully both will be sorted by Sat, I have an odd cold that is making breathing hard, and work is hectic. Plus another vet visit with Molly tomorrow - three in one week, I must be bonkers!!
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #73 on: July 18, 2007, 22:58:32 PM »
Sending lots & lots of "good vibes" to Tiger and yourself ~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2007, 21:45:56 PM »
Well, it wasn't an issue in the end, the 'internal medicine' vet decided as it has only been going on for a month, we will just ultrasound and possible x-rays, which is a manageable amount. I have also been to my normal vet to get the history for the tummy upset, so hopefully wont be a problem now. We have some results, and a plan. The leg tests have come back, and there is a definite problem, there are some suspicious cells - now, they could be due to chronic inflammation, but these kind of cells are normally seen after years of chronic inflammation, not just a few months, so unless she had it and wasn't limping, that would be a puzzling result. But, ultimately what we are hoping for as the alternative is a tumour (he did tell me the proper name, and it escapes me at the moment, but it is a something cell tumour, possibly sickle cell tumour, although that doesn't sound quite right). We are awaiting results of the bloods done by the other vet, and if they are all fine, she needs exploratory surgery so they know exactly what it is. If it is cancer (and other factors could make it more likely, such as the fact she has had a few treatments and none have worked), the treatment is amputation, and to be honest, I dont know if I could put her through that, she is harder to treat than Pebbles was, and I know she wouldnt tolerate cage rest, she was in a cage initially last year and went bonkers after a day, plus dealing wiht an e-collar and meds would be a lot harder than her, she is very hard to handle. If I decide not to go through with it, it fortunately is a slow growing cancer with a very low chance of moving - but if left, they dont use the leg as it is too painful, which to me would impact on quality of life. The best case scenario tummy wise is hyperthyroid, but if she is, that would delay any treatment for her leg, as they wouldnt operate until her levels were under control. In the meantime, she is still on special food, and a 5 day course of Panacur, in case of anything like guardia that normal wormers wouldnt treat. He did mention the possibility of some other meds beginning with M, but they also depend on how well she takes meds. So far, everything is looking fine with her tummy and organs, the urine sample showed good renal function, so just waiting - the thyroid results should be back by Fri, but I have a work event so can't find the results out until Mon. Total cost was just under £800, I got a days grace on paying, as the excess was tricky for them to work out being on two different illnesses, so I have to ring tomorrow to find out how much I owe them!! So still need good vibes!!
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2007, 16:23:27 PM »
What is it they are deliberating over? You should have 6k to play with as your vet suggested you go to a specialist   :-: :-:


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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2007, 09:23:21 AM »
can your treating vet/s not ring up the insurance company , stating it's urgent and speeding up the authorisation process to immediate? That sounds a really long time for authorisation. Poor you. Hope you can work it out so that it's affordable and she gets the treatment she needs to get better fast. Which is obviously going to be better at home! Don't they realise that their insurance payout costs will go up for every day's extra time spent in hospital having more tests???? My vet said he once rang up a reluctant insurer to say 'well if you don't pay x, I may have to do more tests like y,z, etc and the costs will go up even more...what would you like me to do?' and they opted for the less costly option. all the best x

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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2007, 08:17:31 AM »
Spoke to the insurance company, and all they can say is 'it should be OK' but the only way to guarantee it is to do a pre-authorisation form and that will take 2-3 days, which isn't an option, I dont want her staying there any longer than she needs to. I would also need something from my vet to say she has been referred (presuming that is due to it being a different issue to the leg - which they also arent guaranteed to pay). So, it is looking like she wont be having the tests done, if it was a one off sum of £1200 and she would be fine, then I would happily pay, but a bit reluctant to pay that just for the tests (and it is only an estimate), and then more to actually treat whatever they find without a guarantee off the insurance company, especially as I have to pay the excess for the leg, and I would also like to get Molly's leg x-rayed in the next month (another £100 or so)
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2007, 07:41:19 AM »
I hope I can get the insurance company to see sense, or we still wont know why she has diarrhea, although it has been fine recently, and at least we have a tentative diagnosis of the problem. Can't wait to get her tonight, the house has felt way too quiet this week.
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Re: Worried about Tiger again
« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2007, 21:54:23 PM »
Grrrr.....now its the insurance company! They will take your installments quick enough

Aint that right?  >:(

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