Yahoo group copyright issues (no poems allowed)

[Kucinta]

Not to mention if you cite the source, then you are simply quoting from them, as all academics do on a daily basis ...

However there are limits to the percentage one could reproduce/quote - a poem would be regarded as a complete work in itself, so to 'quote' the whole poem if it's still in copyright would be a no no. Copyright usually lapses 70 yrs after the author's death.

'Fair usage' allows the reproduction of a small percentage of a work for personal use, but this would not cover posting to a public forum.

We have a lot of trouble with academics at my university library who waltz in with a handful of photcopied articles etc and say 'Put them on Short Loan'.  We then have to explain tha there is such a thing as copyright law and it's a matter of legality, not just bureaucratic library red tape...

[Gill (sneakiefeline)]

Copyright is a total can of worms, epsecially in todays internet world, and often the only way or resolving? copyright issues would be the court but of course which court! The court is also a can of worms cos internet is all over the world and things pass so quickly and evidence can just disappear or be tampered with, it would be a brave person to take this on I think.

If the music industry cant resolve copyright within their own backyard, the odd quote of/from a poem is unlikely to ever be resolved and Yahoo are just playing the nanny state game and trying to cover their backs by just banning everything,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,best stick to genetics on Purrs I reckon 

[Mark]

Not to mention if you cite the source, then you are simply quoting from them, as all academics do on a daily basis ...

I rarely, if ever see people quote a source - maybe it would be a good idea to cover backs.

I thought this article is quite interesting. http://www.businessballs.com/donotstandatmygraveandweep.htm

[Mark]

I dont understand why you have posted this Mark?

Because copyright ownership is a potential can of worms. Obviously the CRF group are concerned enough about it to sent out a post to all their members. In reality, even if someone was the author and still living, they are unlikely to go to court, however, I thought it was interesting.

[blackcat]

Not to mention if you cite the source, then you are simply quoting from them, as all academics do on a daily basis ...

[Gill (sneakiefeline)]

I dont understand why you have posted this Mark?

They are very wrong about the MOST, especially  rainbow bridge things where often the author is unknown. Also copyright is time limited, especially when the author is no longer alive.

[Mark]

I got an email from the CRF users group saying that people aren't allowed to post any poems they have copied from elsewhere.

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Dear List Members:

Recently, there seems to have been a spate of folks wanting to share comforting poems with list members. While the sentiment is laudable, the practice isn't.

For those who aren't aware, virtually all poems (as well as other material from Web sites, journals, books, etc.) are copyright protected.

What this means is that you have to ask for and receive permission *before* sending the material to any other source.

Absent explicit permission from the copyright holder, we respectfully ask you that you not post such material here. Our group is sponsored by Yahoo! Groups (Y!G), which makes it clear in their Terms of Service (TOS) document that NO copyrighted material is to be posted on any Y!G without appropriate permission.

If you're like many of us, you probably don't pay attention to what appears at the bottom of each email message that comes from the Feline-CRF-Support group, but the following sentence is there, points you to the TOS page, and reminds you to adhere to what's in it:
"Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms"

We are adamant about respecting this because we support copyright protection, but also because Y!G has a history of being capricious in shutting down entire groups for *any* TOS violation. Once a group is shut down, it's virtually impossible to get Y!G to change its mind or give a second chance. If any person whose work was posted here without permission forwards a complaint to Y!G, our list would be in great jeopardy. One could try to argue back that it was "fair use" or "educational," but there really is no Y!G "court" to which we could appeal: Y!G simply shuts down lists.

In the meantime, what would we all do while trying to get reinstated? What would you all do if one morning the group was simply not there?

To try and make it possible for list members to reference materials written by others, we have followed the most conservative of approaches towards known or suspected copyrighted materials:

FIRST: Anything written by anyone is considered under their copyright, even if a notice isn't included with what they have written.

SECOND: You may summarize the ideas postulated in material written by others and refer people to the original source. If the material came from a Web site, simply provide a link to Web site. For other forms, please provide enough information so that list members interested in consulting the original source can do so.

THIRD: You may write to the author and obtain permission for posting the entire article. In such cases, you need to state that you have received permission and include the copyright holder's permission statement in your post.

Please follow the above. Posts containing substantive material -- including poems -- written -- by others that don't include a bone fide permission statement will be deleted from the archives without notice. This also includes responses to such posts that reproduce the material.

If you have any questions about this ADMIN notice, you can reach us -- the Feline-CRF-Support moderators -- at:
Feline-CRF-Support-owner@yahoogroups.com

Thanks for Your Cooperation & Understanding
Feline-CRF-Support Moderators"