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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2010, 00:19:33 AM »
Pepsi is inbetween the two - she gets fed 2-3 times a day depending on what I'm feeding her, but she'll have a few mouthfuls, then go away for a while then come back for a bit more. So effectively she's grazing but it's regulated too as if she finishes a bowl early she won't get any more until the next feeding time.


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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2010, 00:07:25 AM »
It looks as if this was the original aricle they copied from http://www.iheartpaws.com/articles/73/1/Diet-Tips-for-a-Healthy-Cat/Page1.html

Maybe someone that just gets a thrill from copying and pasting  :evillaugh:

 http://ezinearticles.com/?expert=Nick_Bulka  :shify: read the top bit.

I have a feeling they are posting on various sites such as purrs to push their site to the top of searches. The best thing Tan can do is delete this whole thread.

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2010, 00:03:56 AM »
Very odd. If you check out the member details it links to a pest control business' website. Again, quite odd.

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2010, 00:00:56 AM »
No idea but I copied the text and pasted it into google when they first posted and it is all over the place.
I have just googled their name and saw this which was also posted on a site recently http://www.fatcatforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1175
Also, another single post with no follow-up  :Crazy:

I'm still none the wiser as to why  :Crazy:  :evillaugh:
« Last Edit: March 03, 2010, 00:01:45 AM by Mark »
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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2010, 23:28:03 PM »
Curious that this member has only posted this and never responed either. Touting for a little business perhaps?

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2010, 23:24:38 PM »
We also got a new young Aussie at our vets.  When I mentioned last time I took Freddie that he had lost a bit of weight and felt a little thin, she said he could lose a bit more and she wouldn't be worried.  A thin stick of thing she is  :evillaugh:

I think I've said it before Gillian but ...snap as regards no grazing and 3 meals a day.  I live in hope that I can allow a little grazing at some point in the future when they are a bit older.  What am I saying?   :Crazy:  It's never going to happen with Noni is it.....

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2010, 14:06:18 PM »
My vet is also Australian. Maybe they get nutrition training there  :evillaugh:
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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2010, 13:49:54 PM »
The golden rule is....Every Cat is Different! And adding or subtracting cats into a household will change eating habits again...so nothing is straight forward.
One thing we know is true is that diabetes is rising in cats, and so is obesity....so obviously we need to examine how our feeding habits have changed over the years.
Over 10 years ago I had an Australian vet who was adamant that all my cats were overweight, even the 2 I thought were ideal weight. He advocated feeding the fatties on chicken wings and raw meat and warned me of the consequences otherwise. Fast forward 10 years and one of the fatties developed diabetes after a life time on mainly dry food. Now I have gone back to basics and feed low carb wet and those same chicken wings!
Unfortunately most vets are not specifically trained in nutrition...they do however get to se the sad results when we get it wrong!

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2010, 19:52:52 PM »
Would this not depend on the glycaemic index of the food?

He was just generalising about lazy cat ownership where people stick a bowl of biscuits down. What he says makes a lot of sense. Whatever people say, diabetes in cats & dogs is on the rise.

He maintains that cats bodies are not designed to have a permanently raised blood sugar level.

He is quite passionate - when I told him that Kylie eats very little but I can't get her weight down, he got quite angry and said "That's because you have F @ ed her metabolism up!"
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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2010, 19:09:31 PM »
Grazing is not good for cats. I the wild they would not graze all day. They would catch kill and eat as much as they can in one meal. Anything left will be scavenged by some thing else.

a cat eating mice and/or small birds would eat several small meals as day- i dont think 2 mice a day would sustain a cat for long so for most cats having a day or even half a days worth of food in one catch would be rare (rabbits, pigeons?) so i would think that frequent small meals would be most natural. free feeding is closer to this than 2 meals a day. i notice with mine that they dont graze (which implies to me snacking or having a bite as you pass) they just have the oportunity to eat what they want when they want. lucifer in particular would struggle to eat half a pouch in one sitting, hell eat some and come back half hour/4o mins later for some more and so on and hes in perfect shape.

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2010, 18:00:04 PM »
My vet is 100% anti-grazing. He said cats should be fed twice a day. He says if they are constantly picking throughout the day, their blood sugar is raised all the time which can cause diabetes. He said in the wild, they would kill and eat  & might not eat again for a day, so their bodies have evolved to work that way.

Would this not depend on the glycaemic index of the food? I am aware of research into GI and dogs, also that 'low carb' is an effective treatment for type 2 diabetes in cats, so I am making an educated guess that the feline endocrine system works much the same as ours. You would know more about this that the rest of us tho?

Noah is a greedy pig perhaps stemming from his time as a stray, so I couldn't possibly free-feed. Even tho I find two to four times a day I do think he sometimes gets hungry - if I am late up in the mornings I may get yowled at,  a couple of times he has retched liquid and he purrs even when it isn't raw! Since I have started giving the latest meal quite late he hasn't been sick and he doesn't cry as much.  :)
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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2010, 17:36:11 PM »
Each cat has a different way of eating as far as I can tell; what suits one isn't going to suit another.




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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2010, 16:39:32 PM »
If I were to pick up food after 15 minutes I'd have a cat dead from Starvation after a while.  He has a tiny appetite, so I let him eat at his own pace by leaving food out. If he were to eat it all in one go he'd bring it straight back up ... Which isn't healthy and he doesn't eat anywhere near enough in 15 minutes to survive.

Every cat is different and as such has different requirements.

Even though he grazes he's very active.

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 16:25:54 PM »
I am studying animal husbandry and that is exactly what the experts suggest for animals in captivity. We try our best to match their diet and feeding routine as it would be in the wild. This goes for any animal.
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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2010, 16:18:02 PM »
I'm not suggesting they are in the wild, but they evolved from wild cats and in many ways are still wild animals, have the same digestive systems as the wild cats and therefore it would be better for them if we approximate as close to how they would eat in the wild when we feed them.

Grazing is a method of feeding that herbivores use. It is not often that a carnivore grazes.

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2010, 16:16:20 PM »
When Jess was an only cat we just to leave food out and he'd just eat it all up, we soon learnt a lesson there  :(

Our behaviourist suggested lots of little meals, as wild cats eat little and often and cats only have small stomachs.

We currently feed 2 pouches each a day, but half at a time. So the boys get half each at 5:45am, then half again at 7amish. Then in the evening they get fed at 5:45pm and then again at 9:30pm.

Milo has biscuits out all the time and he will graze on them happily thoughout the day, these are on the work top out of Jess's reach though or he'll eat the lot.

This works well for us, all cats are differnt what works for one might not work for another.

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2010, 15:59:04 PM »
Our cats are not in the wild and most depend on the food we give them.

I agree with Janey and my cats nibble and graze and it is what is right for each individual cat, vets do not always have it right sadly

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2010, 14:06:32 PM »
I don't believe in grazing either - especially with multiple cats, it would be nigh on impossible to monitor each one's food intake. I've always fed 3 meals a day to my cats at regular mealtimes (morning, evening and bedtime), that way I know exactly what each one is eating and can immediately notice any changes in appetite.

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2010, 11:51:25 AM »
Grazing is not good for cats. I the wild they would not graze all day. They would catch kill and eat as much as they can in one meal. Anything left will be scavenged by some thing else. Feeding a cat set meals at set times makes them feel securer but sometimes this can lead to them nibbling at the food and walking away because they believe it will still be there when they get back. Sometimes it is better to feed the cat, leave the food out for 15-20 mins and then remove any left overs. That way they learn to eat more in the one setting, but it also means you can control their intake of food exactly as you can weigh the full bowl, weigh the left overs and calculate the intake.

Also feeding this way usually makes the cat more active. Cats naturally like to sleep when they have food in their stomach, so if they graze all day they will sleep a lot more. If they eat a full meal they will sleep then wake up after a short while and if they have no more food to eat they will find something else to do, like play or go for a wander about.

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2010, 11:43:33 AM »
My vet is 100% anti-grazing. He said cats should be fed twice a day. He says if they are constantly picking throughout the day, their blood sugar is raised all the time which can cause diabetes. He said in the wild, they would kill and eat  & might not eat again for a day, so their bodies have evolved to work that way.

I actually disagree with the basic prinicipes of that tbh because if you think about it that's the opposite advice to what they give humans.  If we (me) eg eat a large meal then that causes the blood sugar to rise quickly then fall quickly whereas if I graze, eating little and often that keeps the blood sugar on a more even keel with less peaks and troughs.   However, it's more complex than that - it also depends on the type of foods eaten so eg, protein will cause a slower rise and fall whereas simple carbs a faster one so, I would think it depends what the cats are grazing on.

I also think it depends on the cat, my cats eg don't eat much in one go and I know that if Pepper ate just 2 meals a day then he would lose weight, he needs to eat those smaller amounts to keep his weight on.
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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2010, 11:32:01 AM »
Have to say I no longer agree with grazing either.  With Max it was fine, he would eat what he wanted, then leave it and not be a piggy, but Poot on the other hand never, ever leaves food, if you put down a whole bowl of dry straight after breakfast he's stuff his face (probably going back to when he was a stray, eat everything as you don't know where the next meal is coming from).  If I didn't regulate his food he'd be the size of a house!

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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2010, 10:32:49 AM »
My vet is 100% anti-grazing. He said cats should be fed twice a day. He says if they are constantly picking throughout the day, their blood sugar is raised all the time which can cause diabetes. He said in the wild, they would kill and eat  & might not eat again for a day, so their bodies have evolved to work that way.
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Re: Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2010, 10:25:42 AM »
Are you a cat nutritionist? We do have a health and behaviour section a post like this may be more suited to.

Bottom line: keep a bowl full of a regular dry cat food and monitor the intake of canned food to ensure that your cat does not get overweight and is as healthy as it can be.

I can't help but disagree with this. Not all cats are good at self regulating and allowing them to pig out on dry food all the time is not, in my opinion, a good way of keeping your cat healthy. One of my cats will eat constantly through the day if given the chance and therefore has set meal times with set amounts of food given in order to keep his weight under control.


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Diet Tips for a Healthy Cat
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2010, 04:35:07 AM »
Most of us know that feeding our cat is not really a chore at all. Dump the food in a big bowl or dish, and the cat will eat when it's ready. Unlike a dog, cats tend to not overeat and therefore are more easily manageable than most other house pets. However, we need to be careful when assuming that the food that we are feeding our cat, and the manner by which we feed our cat, are the best choices for our cat. Here are some tips on how to maintain a healthy diet for your kitty.

Feed your cat based on their activity.

Is your cat an active cat or does it to lay around the house all day waiting for its next meal? If your cat is overweight and not very active at all, leaving a bowl full of food is probably not the best idea. It is at this point that you should begin to manage how much you feed your cat, what you feed your cat, and how often. By taking charge of your cat's feeding habits, you will be able to increase the life and longevity of your cat by making this simple and easy choice. A simple "Here kitty kitty kitty" will make your overweight and hungry feline run for the bowl to eat your rationed healthy amount of cat food.

Watch the weather!

Simply put, the environment in which your animal lives directly affects and influences their energy needs. Extreme hot or cold weather can increases a pet's energy needs and drinking habits. Make sure that on hot days water is readily available and that you feed your cat more canned food then dry. The water content within the canned food will help the cat retain water if it is not able to get to the water dish on a regular basis. If the weather is cold, make sure that you are feeding your cat very nutritional cat food that is not full of filler so that your cat will have more of the necessary nutrients to digest to ensure that it stays healthy.

Cat feeding times

Although discussed previously, there is much more to say about having a specific feeding time for your cat. Not only does this allow you to feed your cat nutritional canned food, you will also know that it will not be left in the open. Preservatives are nice, but let's not take any chances with the food left out.

Also, by having specific feeding times, this allows you to monitor your cat's diet by providing the food at regular times. It is a kind of portion-control feeding, however, most cats will simply eat until they have what they need.

Bottom line: keep a bowl full of a regular dry cat food and monitor the intake of canned food to ensure that your cat does not get overweight and is as healthy as it can be.

Buy the best

Though this sounds economically wrong, the truth of the matter is this: cheap cat food usually is cheap because of the added fillers that are put into the food.

As a general rule, cats need a daily regimen of protein found in meat, fish, or poultry. They also need an essential amino acid called Taurine and various other vitamins, minerals, and fatty acids.

If you have looked at a label for cat food, you will notice that wheat, rice, and even corn is used as filler for both canned and dry cat foods. Make sure that the cat food that you choose has the proper amounts of protein, vitamins, and minerals and not as much filler. The price of the cat food usually justifies its quality. And, as an added benefit, cats usually only eat as much as their bodies need. Therefore, your cat will probably eat less of the expensive of cat food because it contains more of the nutrients that it needs and not as much filler.

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