Topic: Asbo now called Andy the Stray Tom! Has a forever home (Read 56096 times)

Pinkbear (Julie) · « **Reply #131 on:** February 12, 2010, 13:22:37 PM »

Quote from: Millys Mum on February 12, 2010, 13:04:19 PM

Julie its good to hear of some steps in the right direction to having some proper 'rules' for fiv cats, surely HQ have some say over what branches must/must not do, they imposed vaccination/neutering/chipping procedures didnt they?

They issue guidelines, MM, only guidelines. It's by no means a standard service and a few older groups don't microchip even now.

The first tier management of CP are known as Regional Development Managers and they are the ones who do day to day monitoring of branches and are the links to HQ. They can encourage, counsel, advise branches to follow guidelines but nothing more. Serious breaches of guidelines can result in a branch being put 'on hold' or even have CP associations cut permanently (funding and back up withdrawn) but that also means all CP work in the area stops and all CP registered cats have to be transfered out to other branches or centres. For some wealthy groups with good fundraising teams they even may not care about CP 'dumping' them and start up independently. We know of one independent group in Ashford that started off as CP.

So RDMs really only put groups on hold when it's deadly serious.

Tan · « **Reply #130 on:** February 12, 2010, 13:05:47 PM »

Quote from: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on February 12, 2010, 12:57:35 PM

Oh God

Are the vets aware of this plan Tan, of if he is poss he will be done either way, and coming back out?

I have asked them to let me know after any test results before doing anything drastic.

Millys Mum · « **Reply #129 on:** February 12, 2010, 13:04:19 PM »

Quote from: Tan on February 12, 2010, 12:51:26 PM

Quote from: Edd on February 11, 2010, 22:52:18 PM

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They are going to test Asbo 1st to check for FIV etc but have been told if he has it, he won't be coming out of the vets If he test positive, i don't know what to do.

Tan
Could I ask - is it now agreed with the local CP that if he tests positive they will not PTS but will assess him for an indoor home?

They have said he won't come out of the vets if he test's positive. So it would be i think down to us if we can get him somewhere.

You need that in writing before leaving him there or he becomes theres to do as they wish with

Julie its good to hear of some steps in the right direction to having some proper 'rules' for fiv cats, surely HQ have some say over what branches must/must not do, they imposed vaccination/neutering/chipping procedures didnt they?

Tan · « **Reply #128 on:** February 12, 2010, 13:02:01 PM »

No luck last night

The trap was set with lovely stinkie sardines at 5am and my boys in safe in the house but no trap was set off and no Asbo in the trap

Next try will be Monday early am now when the ets are open again. I will speak to Kathy later when she gets back from work to see if she managed to get the elastic band off him. I still don't know who put it on him and dying to find out. One cause i want to tell them that is very dangerous to do and best to use a paper collar and also to find out if they can handle him to nicely pop him in a basket!
I am thinking he showed no sign of the band hurting or annoying him so would he be used to wearing a collar at some point in his life!!

CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls · « **Reply #127 on:** February 12, 2010, 12:57:35 PM »

Oh God

Are the vets aware of this plan Tan, of if he is poss he will be done either way, and coming back out?

Tan · « **Reply #126 on:** February 12, 2010, 12:51:26 PM »

Quote from: Edd on February 11, 2010, 22:52:18 PM

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They are going to test Asbo 1st to check for FIV etc but have been told if he has it, he won't be coming out of the vets If he test positive, i don't know what to do.

Tan
Could I ask - is it now agreed with the local CP that if he tests positive they will not PTS but will assess him for an indoor home?

They have said he won't come out of the vets if he test's positive. So it would be i think down to us if we can get him somewhere.

Pinkbear (Julie) · « **Reply #125 on:** February 12, 2010, 12:38:48 PM »

I must confess I thought Tan lived in London when we first offered our help. She actually lives much further away and the journey here would take at least 4 hours I think and that's double what I initially thought. I'm sure we could rig something if it was life or death.... but I suspect we can sort this out via the network much nearer to where Tan lives.

Well apart from other branches inbetween, Bredhurst AC are about an hour nearer to Tan than we are. They have excellent FIV facilities and a good track record for rehoming FIVs.

Purrs is well known in puddy circles now and I told Tan she needs to cash in on that and drop a few names and strings will be pulled.

We will certainly speak up for Asbo and help find an FIV space near by once we know what we're up against and Sharon will be on the blower to her puddy Mafia no doubt. I could mention names of groups we have strong links to and have swapped cats and spaces with before but it would be unfair to list them publicly.

We have been saying for yonks that CP needs to standardise FIV policies and we're seeing some evidence of an attempt at achieving that from the new(ish!) head vet. The trouble comes from CP being an umbrella organisation of self-contained groups and some branches being VERY old, set in their ways and isolated from each other and HQ having no real power to compell a branch to do anything.

Millys Mum · « **Reply #124 on:** February 12, 2010, 12:07:19 PM »

Quote from: Pinkbear (Julie) on February 11, 2010, 21:14:11 PM

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Without going back i thought i had read your branch helping with him

MM we were lined up and still prepared to help if needed, but I had a chat with Tan on the phone and it appears she wasn't talking to the correct member of the team at her local CP when she first asked for help. Tan had been talking to the Voucher lady - they are fantastic at issuing vouchers but don't actually know what help could be offered with rehoming efforts, or what the current state of the waiting list is like. Tan then contacted the Welfare officer at her local branch and it appears they CAN help with socialising and rehoming Asbo.... she that is basically only what we could have done but a lot nearer to home. Tan does live a considerable distance from us so if things can be done locally, it's much better for Asbo.

Of course its best he doesnt have to travel if its just socialising he needs, i was thinking worse outcome if another branch was standing forward it might just sway their decision if he does produce a positive test.
If they wont then a private first would be the only way to safe guard his future

Janeyk · « **Reply #123 on:** February 12, 2010, 06:59:54 AM »

Pudding was gorgeous, RIP xx

Bazsmum · « **Reply #122 on:** February 12, 2010, 01:46:23 AM »

Aw bless Pudding, what a lovely looking guy..... RIP sweetie xxx

madamcat (Edd) · « **Reply #121 on:** February 11, 2010, 22:52:18 PM »

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They are going to test Asbo 1st to check for FIV etc but have been told if he has it, he won't be coming out of the vets If he test positive, i don't know what to do.

Tan
Could I ask - is it now agreed with the local CP that if he tests positive they will not PTS but will assess him for an indoor home?

Fire Fox · « **Reply #120 on:** February 11, 2010, 22:08:42 PM »

Tan you really are squeezing all your good deeds for the year into one week! So pleased to hear Maisie is spayed and it's nice to know someone else cares about Asbo, but a worry that a rubber band has been used.

Pinkbear (Julie) · « **Reply #119 on:** February 11, 2010, 21:14:11 PM »

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Without going back i thought i had read your branch helping with him

MM we were lined up and still prepared to help if needed, but I had a chat with Tan on the phone and it appears she wasn't talking to the correct member of the team at her local CP when she first asked for help. Tan had been talking to the Voucher lady - they are fantastic at issuing vouchers but don't actually know what help could be offered with rehoming efforts, or what the current state of the waiting list is like.

Tan then contacted the Welfare officer at her local branch and it appears they CAN help with socialising and rehoming Asbo.... she that is basically only what we could have done but a lot nearer to home. Tan does live a considerable distance from us so if things can be done locally, it's much better for Asbo.

Tan · « **Reply #118 on:** February 11, 2010, 19:44:49 PM »

Lol i hope i can just imagine the two little lads with the single mum going off on mating trips and taking over where Asbo hopefully will have left! I hope she gets them done.

While i was asking about, i have also just heard about Pudding

Pudding was the gorgeous Brit Blue ped stray i was trying to catch many years ago and that's when i 1st joined Catchat to get advice. One day while i was trying the trap with him, he never came round again and i never knew what happened to him. One of the ladies i have just spoke to said she found a lovely old cat Blue and def a ped dead on her front lawn and burried him in her garden. It was def Puddin

So that's what happened to him

This was Pudding RIP

Millys Mum · « **Reply #117 on:** February 11, 2010, 19:35:24 PM »

Keep up the good work tan, your estate will soon be neutered

Quote from: Pinkbear (Julie) on February 10, 2010, 20:29:27 PM

Quote from: Millys Mum on February 10, 2010, 18:58:36 PM
Tan the moment you leave him at their vets you lose control over him, if he tests positive they wont let him back out
If theres a back up plan for him if positive (julie?) then he needs to be tested first privately, if hes neg then you can continue with your CP plan if not then hes safe.
Im happy to help with a private test

Well... for an FIV feral, the only hope I could come up with would be Celia Hammond. As we know she doesn't 'believe' in FIV and has a huge estate she lets the ferals roam free on. It's next impossible getting her to take one though as I've tried. For an FIV domestic, and if the local branch doesn't 'do' FIVs, I'd tap Bredhurst AC. The issue only really comes if he fails to come round in a pen as Bredhurst won't transfer him outside of the charity if he's FIV... but didn't we start the thread with all this?

At any rate, if the local CP is up to speed, they should KNOW where their local FIV hotspots are.

Without going back i thought i had read your branch helping with him

If hes feral its difficult but its most likely he needs a few weeks for his hormones to settle and a big wimpy lad will emerge

Tan · « **Reply #116 on:** February 11, 2010, 19:29:38 PM »

Just been round a bit further into the estate and still can't find the one who put the what should be a paper collar on him. They must know something about cats to do that but an elastic band!!!

Bloomin cold out there lol and me spag bowl burnt a bit !! Oooops!

What gets me is this person got close to him to put the elastic band on with note - maybe they can get him in a basket!!! I can't get anywhere near him to get it off or read it. Kathy said she is going to try and get it off next time she sees him as she can stroke him but won't pick him up to put in basket for fear of being attacked. The only option for me is the trap as i cant get close. Lol shall i go out and try the Da bird toys in the street see if he comes

I will set trap again toinight. Yeap it's one with the plate to step on.

Just found another neighbour about 15 houses away with two 5 month old boys not Nuetuered and she is a single mum on benifits so have advised her to get them both done asap and to call CP or take to PDSA if she wants to keep her cats homely boys and not tom's disapearing!

lol now i am the mad cat woman of the neighbourhood.

Pinkbear (Julie) · « **Reply #115 on:** February 11, 2010, 18:39:31 PM »

idiot!!! I hope to goodness you catch him soon before he snags it and hangs himself!

The great side is you know he's not a feral.

Shirley · « **Reply #114 on:** February 11, 2010, 18:33:36 PM »

Great news about Maisie!!!!

But who would put an elastic band round a cat's neck?????

What did the note say???? Hope you have some luck tonight!

Tan · « **Reply #113 on:** February 11, 2010, 17:59:16 PM »

Well some good news

Maise has been spayed today and wasn't pregnant

Had a bit of a shocker earlier as i saw Asbo earlier over the road at the front and he had a collar on

Oh nooo i had asked about in my neighbourhood if anyone owns him and noone claimed him so thought he must be owned by someone further away then. I have just been out knocking on doors again and still noone owns him but almost all the houses that have cats in the are having trouble with Asbo coming in and sparying and fighting.

Kathy the neigbour where Asbo sleeps at night said he was in when she got in from work and she said it wasn't a proper collar but an elastic band with a note on it so someone has managed to get hold of him and out it on but who!!!

So we are still a go for tongight with the trap.
How they hell did someone get that close to him cause he won't go anywhere near me. Do i smell or something!

Teresa Pawcats · « **Reply #112 on:** February 11, 2010, 10:23:39 AM »

More than likely he knows his bit of skirt Maisie isnt there and at the moment his urge to mate is greater than his hunger.

Pinkbear (Julie) · « **Reply #111 on:** February 11, 2010, 10:12:49 AM »

Any chance of a piccie of the trap? With some types it's possible to rig them up 'unset'. You could leave it out all the time then without fear of catching the wrong cat so Asbo gets used to seeing it.

Janeyk · « **Reply #110 on:** February 11, 2010, 10:09:06 AM »

you'll get him Tan

sometimes I've had to leave the trap for a day or 2 unset to get them used to it.

Tan · « **Reply #109 on:** February 11, 2010, 10:04:37 AM »

It was a no show last night or rather early this am

No strong tom cat smell this am too so he hasn't been in. He could be he was scared off for a bit with the fight in the am?

Have another go tonight.

Shirley · « **Reply #108 on:** February 11, 2010, 09:31:44 AM »

Any luck Tan?

My mommy cat just wouldn't go in the trap (when i was trying to catch her when i was being made redundant) In the end, i borrowed a large cat carrier (what they go in on planes, apparantly!) tied some cable from the front door and thread it through to the back and put the food right at the back. Did this for a few days till she eventually went right in (instead of having one leg sticking out, lol) and Mike (ex boss, who was standing behind as she was not quite so nervous with him!) yanked the cable and shut the door! Think it was less scary than the trap!
Just an idea if you've only got the trap for a couple of nights (assuming you can find one of these carriers!)

Pinkbear (Julie) · « **Reply #107 on:** February 10, 2010, 20:29:27 PM »

Quote from: Millys Mum on February 10, 2010, 18:58:36 PM

Tan the moment you leave him at their vets you lose control over him, if he tests positive they wont let him back out
If theres a back up plan for him if positive (julie?) then he needs to be tested first privately, if hes neg then you can continue with your CP plan if not then hes safe.
Im happy to help with a private test

Well... for an FIV feral, the only hope I could come up with would be Celia Hammond. As we know she doesn't 'believe' in FIV and has a huge estate she lets the ferals roam free on.

It's next impossible getting her to take one though as I've tried.

For an FIV domestic, and if the local branch doesn't 'do' FIVs, I'd tap Bredhurst AC. The issue only really comes if he fails to come round in a pen as Bredhurst won't transfer him outside of the charity if he's FIV... but didn't we start the thread with all this?

At any rate, if the local CP is up to speed, they should KNOW where their local FIV hotspots are.

Janeyk · « **Reply #106 on:** February 10, 2010, 19:41:34 PM »

The only problems I've had with the trap is if the lever thingy is not set right at the edge and then it doesn't go off or if the cat's are wise to it and don't go on the step which happened with one cat who just really stuck his neck out

and then I got the sort (because the others were all out) which I had to pull which worked a treat with that cat - so if it's the step one make sure the food is far edge so they have to tread on the step.

Millys Mum · « **Reply #105 on:** February 10, 2010, 18:58:36 PM »

Tan the moment you leave him at their vets you lose control over him, if he tests positive they wont let him back out

If theres a back up plan for him if positive (julie?) then he needs to be tested first privately, if hes neg then you can continue with your CP plan if not then hes safe.
Im happy to help with a private test

Shirley · « **Reply #104 on:** February 10, 2010, 18:49:41 PM »

The last trap i borrowed was very sensitive and could be set off without catching anything! You have to make sure the food is BEHIND the treddle thing (if you've got one like that!) so Asbo has to tread on it to get at the food, but i'm sure you've been told that!
I've caught many kittens (Charlie's mommy's) over the years and that was awful to see these tiny things going mental in the trap-i spent many a morning crying at my desk! You just have to tell yourself it's for their own good, they've at least got a chance of being rehomed!
Charlie himself has been in them a few times when i was trying to catch his mom for spaying-he's a bit dim lol!

I had a volunteering job at a local cattery last year-think i went 4 times, couldn't stand to see them in the cages!

Just tell yourself it's just a few hours of him being unhappy to improve his life!

Tan · « **Reply #103 on:** February 10, 2010, 18:44:02 PM »

lol ... The orginal plan was to catch Asbo in the basket in Kathys house where he is sleeping but he is disapearing before she gets up so the 2nd plan was for me to set up a feeding area down the alley way which i have been doing for last 2 weeks with the waste my lads don't eat (and that's quiet a bit!

fussy monkeys!) and we have been seeing cats we didn't know lived round here!!

all coming for a free feed! I bet Asbo hasn't had a look in for the food! This am i came downstairs to find a new cat in the garden who had a collar and tag on and older, he was in a bit of a pickle as he got in but couldn't get out cause of the fencing. So i had to open the back gate for him. They norammly learn after the 1st time and never come back in.

Anyhoo now we have more cats appearing cause of the feeding station!!

Luckily they are all collard & Tagged.

It's why i am setting the trap up in my garden now and not the allyway as it won't be Asbo caught in the trap!!

What a palarva hey!!

Tan · « **Reply #102 on:** February 10, 2010, 18:34:06 PM »

Quote from: Dawn F on February 10, 2010, 15:27:57 PM

where is he going once you catch him Tan?

Bmth CP is going to assess him and hopefully he can have a loving home of his own

I feel exactly the same as you Shirl.

I hate seeing any cats unhappy or scared cause i am a huge bloomin softie! It's why i could never do rescue athough it's what i have wanted to do since a littun! When i was about 3 i remember saying to my mum that i am going to have a big farm land and rescue all the unwanted animals with a 24/7 vet living in! lol One day hey !
Prob is i am way too soft to do it. To face seeing all the cruelty

When i was a member of Animal aid i used to watch bad video's in meetings about vivisection etc and i will never get those pics out of my head. I had to stop going cause i ended up depressed all the time. It's why i have so so much respect and love for all the peeps in rescue. They have so much courage

They are going to test Asbo 1st to check for FIV etc but have been told if he has it, he won't be coming out of the vets

If he test positive, i don't know what to do.

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Best of luck-the hardest part is getting the trap set JUST right!

Is there a certain way to set it then?

I have it ready to set, Tuna ready to put in it. It's in my porch out the back so if it rains it is under cover. Asbo sprays in there every day (poohey !) so i know he comes in regulary still. He won't come in if anyone is about so i thought about getting up very early and setting it about 5am so if he comes after he is only in the trap till 8.30am when we can get him to the vets about 15mins journey.

Have a blanket ready half over it so it's partly covered. is that best or best not to put blanket over half yet? It's right infront of my patio door so my cats although will be locked in the house can see the trap.

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Re going for your hands Tan, I presume trap has carry handle so hands will be ok, I have had a feral claw my legs through trap though so take care; actually you can trap Asbo as a test and if you pass we`ll find a place for you at Paws Inn and set you to work

lol T i so hope i can do this but at the mo i think i will need about 3 tenas on just incase the stress gets to me too much!! Lol How do you lot do this all the time!

If i don't do this 1st time, then i have been told he will be very hard to catch

Shirley · « **Reply #101 on:** February 10, 2010, 17:56:54 PM »

Tan, when i caught Charlie's (GB's) dad, it was very scary cos he was so scared and wasn't very happy in the trap. None of them are and it IS upsetting, but has to be done! I was worried i'd get ripped to shreds!

but i didin't. We hadn't got a blanket in the factory (!) so i put him in my mates car boot (the vets was only 1/4 mile up the road) and he settled down.

Best of luck-the hardest part is getting the trap set JUST right!

Millys Mum · « **Reply #100 on:** February 10, 2010, 16:51:07 PM »

Good luck, try not to feel bad as you are turning his life around for the better

Janeyk · « **Reply #99 on:** February 10, 2010, 16:25:26 PM »

You'll be fine Tan, the first feral I trapped I was a bit tearful - well maybe everytime

but you just have to think you're doing if for their good and I have to say no claws have come out for all those I've trapped - but I believe some do. The only thing initially is they get a bit stressed but as soon as the blanket goes over they're usually very quiet, mine have always been as good as gold

Teresa Pawcats · « **Reply #98 on:** February 10, 2010, 16:17:20 PM »

Re going for your hands Tan, I presume trap has carry handle so hands will be ok, I have had a feral claw my legs through trap though so take care; actually you can trap Asbo as a test and if you pass we`ll find a place for you at Paws Inn and set you to work

Pinkbear (Julie) · « **Reply #97 on:** February 10, 2010, 15:35:39 PM »

Quote from: Tan on February 10, 2010, 15:25:18 PM

maybe i should chuck some yeoww catnip in to drug him up a bit in the trap!

Catnip always stimulates mine, not calms them down.

Perhaps a spray of Feliway if you have it..? but he'll be more impressed with a Kentucky crispy strip.

As Teresa says, cover over with a nice thick blankie and he'll quieten down in no time.

Dawn F · « **Reply #96 on:** February 10, 2010, 15:27:57 PM »

where is he going once you catch him Tan?

Tan · « **Reply #95 on:** February 10, 2010, 15:25:18 PM »

maybe i should chuck some yeoww catnip in to drug him up a bit in the trap!

Tan · « **Reply #94 on:** February 10, 2010, 15:22:39 PM »

It's seeing him in dispair and scared

But it has to be done

I have a blanket ready but it's one of stupid light fleeces ones. Gonna have to look for something heavier so it stays on the trap. Do you think he would go for my hands when i go to lift it? I know he's not visious but he will be very scared.

Lol Jules That's his daughter little (unspayed ) 7 month old Maise in the pics. She is a darlin

I hope Brednda can help next door to get her in tomorrow or Friday to have her spayed. I really think she is already pregnant.

Pinkbear (Julie) · « **Reply #93 on:** February 10, 2010, 15:18:01 PM »

He looks a bit small to be a Nemesis, Tan.

You can do it!

Teresa Pawcats · « **Reply #92 on:** February 10, 2010, 15:09:36 PM »

Tan nothing to be scared of,just make sure you have an old blanket to cover trap with as soon as you catch him.

Author Topic: Asbo now called Andy the Stray Tom! Has a forever home (Read 56096 times)