Author Topic: Warning about CHEAP IMMITATION Rescue Remedy  (Read 7949 times)

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Re: Warning about CHEAP IMMITATION Rescue Remedy
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2009, 10:57:47 AM »
Thanks Sheryl  :hug:

This is obviously very important if its being sold at the Cat Show and hope it does not kill any cats, cos am sure the sellers are not aware or the buyers

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Re: Warning about CHEAP IMMITATION Rescue Remedy
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2009, 10:21:12 AM »
I didn't even know there was a cheap version of RR. I rarely use it though (and the last time was on me!!).
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Re: Warning about CHEAP IMMITATION Rescue Remedy
« Reply #29 on: November 22, 2009, 09:29:20 AM »
The manufacturers of the cheaper/imitation ones should be aware of this and a warning issued on them  :scared:
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Re: Warning about CHEAP IMMITATION Rescue Remedy
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2009, 09:04:23 AM »
Thanks for this!!  Ive used Bach's Rescue Remedy for a long time, on me and animals and it seems to have good results  :)

Interstingly, I saw an alternative yesterday, on sale at the Supreme Cat show ....  I forget the brand (It wasnt Bach ...) but I'm sort of glad I didn't buy any!!  :shify:
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Re: Warning about CHEAP IMMITATION Rescue Remedy
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2009, 07:00:32 AM »
It was far too important to delete.  Best to have every possible scrap of info to protect our furry families with.   :Luv:

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Re: Warning about CHEAP IMMITATION Rescue Remedy
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2009, 20:06:53 PM »
Ive changed the thread title
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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2009, 20:03:42 PM »
No we dont want to delete the thread cos its very important but if peeps read from the bottom up and it makes page two then it is important that the title is made clearer.....like ........Warning about cheap immintaitons copies of Bachs Rescue Remedy.....spely better than mine LOL..........Please amend the post title from first post and then last post...its not hard to do.

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2009, 19:05:00 PM »
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i think the title of the post is misleeding and should be changed before all those using the bachs one have heart failure 

Its not Gill, sheryl clearly states its the cheaper versions in her first post, which is hardly long or hard to read, i quote
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she said that not many people know that cheaper makes of Rescue Remedy
its only misleading if people dont read things properly, shes just making people aware to buy genuine RR or risk the cat.

Thanks for the info Sheryl, im with christine on this and dont use it but i do know people who do  :thanks:


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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2009, 18:43:46 PM »
I dont want to cause ant panic or mislead anyone - maybe better to just delete this thread
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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2009, 18:31:01 PM »

The ingredient she mentioned was Ethyene Glycol which is completely harmless to humans but as we all know toxic to cats.


i dont know cos have never heard of it, so expect most cat owners havent either.

yes i know you feelings about this christine but dont agree with them

i think the title of the post is misleeding and should be changed before all those using the bachs one have heart failure  :scared:

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2009, 18:19:34 PM »
I had no idea about this, and it's made me come out all hot and cold! When Walter (who is now 8 years old) was about 18 months old he was poorly with a virus around the same time as my husband died, Walter loved John and quite naturally was grieving for him, and in that time an unneutered tom got in the backdoor and sprayed which stunk the place out but it also confronted Wally and scared him.  Ever since then he's been a sprayer himself, he marks doors and windows the obvious in and out places, but he also does it on furniture and even on us, you name it he's done it.  We have plastic in his favourite places because despite all we've (kindly) tried he just needs to do it, it must be his stress buster.  BUT not long after he started, before we realised that he just wasn't going to give up we had an animal behaviourist come from the other end of the country to see him.  Among her recommendations (including drugging the poor little soul - no thanks!) was a cocktail of these remedies.  It made no difference to the lad, he pees to olympic standard, and we just grin and bear it and get the cleaning stuff out but I'm just thinking that if people who make their living recommending such things don't know about this, then the people who follow their advice might be doing more harm than good!
We tend to think these homeopathic things are safe as houses, but from time to time we find out they are not.  Thanks for the tip off.

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2009, 18:12:06 PM »
The vet stressed the the original Bachs is fine but she said that you can buy cheaper alternatives.  She has actually treated a cat that was poisoned with this and she said the symptoms were the same as cats she has treated that had been given Frontline for Dogs.

The ingredient she mentioned was Ethyene Glycol which is completely harmless to humans but as we all know toxic to cats.

Im sorry that you DONT believe this WL but I am only passing on info given to me by my vet (who I trust 100%) and I cant think of any reason why she would make this up?
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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2009, 17:10:11 PM »
My post went up prematurely and I had added:

I know Bach Rescue Remedy works for some cats although not for mine

I am not in the least surprised.  My views on this subject are well-known, I believe  ;)
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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2009, 17:05:26 PM »
Hope you are wrong Christine as dont use cosmetics , only stuff in bath/shower and an aftersun for my skin and all of it has that in. But need these cos they dont hurt my skin and most else does

In that case you may be interested in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol

That article includes: "Veterinary data indicates that propylene glycol is toxic to 50% of dogs at doses of 9mL/kg, although the figure is higher for most laboratory animals (LD50 at levels of 20mL/kg).  However, it may be toxic to cats in ways not seen in other animals. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has determined that propylene glycol in or on cat food has not been shown by adequate scientific data to be safe for use. If propylene glycol is used in or on cat food, the food is considered adulterated and in violation of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act."

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2009, 16:58:12 PM »
I'm fairly certain Boots do their own version. I'm so sure I've seen it when picking up a bottle of Bach. Think it comes in a mint green coloured box.

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2009, 16:53:10 PM »
Just checked on Ebay and no cheaper versions there....Although you can buy from different countries so the ingredients may differ?  :shify:

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2009, 16:39:52 PM »
I though only Bach did this but maybe there is a cheaper version but I know Bach Rescue Remedy works for some cats although not for mine

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2009, 16:27:55 PM »
http://www.bachfloweressences.co.uk/pdf/leaflets/animal.pdf

Bach have a leaflet for use of their remedies with animals.
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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2009, 16:15:00 PM »
Never knew you find RR other than the genuine.
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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2009, 16:11:01 PM »
Hope you are wrong Christine as dont use cosmetics , only stuff in bath/shower and an aftersun for my skin and all of it has that in. But need these cos they dont hurt my skin and most else does

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2009, 16:10:23 PM »
Ethyene Glycol (the one used in all antifreeze in this country) is the really toxic one and propylene glycol (the safer one you can buy in America) less so.

So if people buy branded rescue remedy, they should be OK? - I know they also make an alcohol-free one which I think is supposed to be safer for pets - hopefully this doesn't have the alcohol replaced with another solvent which would make it dangerous  :shify: (alcohol and other solvents are what draws the essential oils out of flowers, herbs etc)

I know they use ethylene glycol in snow globes so they are dangerous if they break and animals ingest the liquid it can be fatal (not to mention the fact that I read years ago about a factory in China that used water straight from a filthy river to fill them  :sick: )

Anyway, apparently propylene glycol is added to human and pet food EXCEPT CAT FOOD as if cats ingest it, it can cause problems with their red blood cells - something called Heinz Body - so although not good, it doesn't cause fatal kidney failure like Ethylene Glycol.
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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2009, 15:37:29 PM »
It's likely to be propylene glycol, I suspect: a humectant (keeps stuff moist) and preservative.  It's in a lot of cosmetics.

Just guessing though, as I don't buy any sort of Rescue Remedy  ;).
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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2009, 15:33:28 PM »
The original poster should know this!

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2009, 15:29:47 PM »
Mark would know this Gilly when he comes on here!  ;) :hug:

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2009, 15:16:18 PM »
but which ingredient do you look for?

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2009, 15:01:27 PM »
Its scary isnt it!!!  :scared: :hug:

Im gonna bookmark this link in the Petition Sect, there is a one for the contents of Anti-freeze to be altered!  ;) :hug:

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2009, 14:56:04 PM »
No I know that some companies like boots and jan de vries do things that are similar to rescue so Im guessing other comapnies do to
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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2009, 14:54:39 PM »
Dont know what you can pick up these days Tab? Spose making peeps aware of buying cheaper brands etc!  ;) :hug:

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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2009, 14:51:47 PM »
I thought rescue remedy was only made by Bach flower remedys?
In which case it is purely the flwer essence and brandy as far as Im aware.
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Re: Warning about Rescue Remedy
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2009, 14:48:06 PM »
OMG!!! That is so scary.....I dont use the stuff but Im sure some on here do!  :scared:

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Warning about CHEAP IMMITATION Rescue Remedy
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2009, 20:19:54 PM »
I was talking to my vet the other night and we got onto the topic of poisonous plants etc and she said that not many people know that cheaper makes of Rescue Remedy contain some of the same ingredient which is so toxic in Antifreeze - she said that when buying Rescue Remedy carefully check the ingredients.
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