wow, those runs sound brilliant! did you build them yourself? trouble is my husband is hopeless at DIY so we would have to have help! have phoned planning dept, said they didnt think i would need permission.have sent me a form to fill in, none of which looks relevant to what we want to do. they want a cheque for 23 quid to look at the form! where would be the cheapest place for wire and wood? e-bay? smudge is doing really well. his wounds are healing nicely and a callus has started to form over the break in his leg. bramble