Topic: Mango Bear is back at home now. (Read 28448 times)

Bazsmum · « **Reply #97 on:** October 09, 2009, 12:11:54 PM »

Quote from: Mojo on October 09, 2009, 08:54:03 AM

Gill I believe you mean Chutney rather than Chilli. Are you confusing your condiments?

for the test results!

clarenmax · « **Reply #96 on:** October 09, 2009, 08:59:36 AM »

Hmm, my vets always used to send off my forms for me, they used to do it all in fact.

I know they wouldn't accept money direct from some insurers as they were slow to pay, but AXA was one they did allow, as they always pay on time.

I guess as long as you get the money back one way or another though is the important thing

Mojo · « **Reply #95 on:** October 09, 2009, 08:54:03 AM »

I have already asked the vets about some of the form process and was told that they can't send the form for me, they can fill it in but I have to send it.

Also as I am with Axa they can't take payment I believe. They can if you have Petplan though.

Gill I believe you mean Chutney rather than Chilli. Are you confusing your condiments?

Desley (booktigger) · « **Reply #94 on:** October 09, 2009, 07:42:11 AM »

Good luck with the test results - there are other kidney diets available as well as k/d, so that might be an option so she can still have renal food - VetUK do 4 I think, and there are two available through Zooplus (Integra and Kattovit, Integra goes down well with some cats).

Not all vets will accept payment directly to the vet, so you would need to ask them, and also if they can do it as a continuation, as if not, you will have to pay another excess. As well as sedating cats, they can also use Emla cream on their neck, 2 out of my 3 need it for bloods, and it saves them being sedated, it is a local anaesthetic.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #93 on:** October 08, 2009, 22:11:11 PM »

The vet has to fill in his part of the form and I would speak to him when you give him the form and get him to confirm that its a contuation and its up to him to make this clear when he fill on the form.

I have never seen the form again after the vet has filled it in as it has always been sent off by the vets and my vets are happy for the money to be sent to them. You need to clarify the process with your vet because AXA will only send them the money if you have ticked that box.

I have used two vets surgeries with Frantas claims and all of the claims from both have been a continuation of the same claim and no problem with AXA.

You need to speak to your vet also about the tests on Mango because I think they need to also part of the same claim, Axa may not agree and make it separate but then if Mango has had two lots of tests then that should be a claim of its on related to Chilli, if they dont agree that its all one.

I hope that made sense.

Mojo · « **Reply #92 on:** October 08, 2009, 21:03:30 PM »

Quote from: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 08, 2009, 20:42:31 PM

The vets do the claim not you and it should be a continaution....you just fill your bit of the claim form in and tick the box that says money to the vet

So far we have been paying on credit card then sending the form off and having the cheque sent to me. I will just say to the vet to make sure whichever one does it states that its a continuation on the previous claim??

Millys Mum · « **Reply #91 on:** October 08, 2009, 20:48:40 PM »

Gill the vet is right to test chutney, initially they were both done too early with the wrong test and could actually not have fiv at all, which is a very good thing to know

I hope you can get to the bottom of it soon, trying foods is made more complicated by the kidney issues. Would your vet let you use binders so that you can try alternative diets to help her bum?
Good luck for the results

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #90 on:** October 08, 2009, 20:44:13 PM »

Sounds like a right kerfuffle! Fingers crossed for both their test results

My vets suggested food allergy to me aswell, at first I poo pooed the idea (sorry

) but then one of the vets explained that even if they've been eating the same food for years with no problems, that the vegetable and animal deriviatives in each batch might vary so it could be that something has changed with the food in that way.

You might get away with one claim with Axa - if they are linking the first lot of antibiotics in with the claim for the kidney diagnosis then not sure how they could say the continuation of diaorrhoea isn't linked to the first investigation of it when the anti-B's were given. If two separate 'conditions' are diagnosed then they will defo treat that as two claims though.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #89 on:** October 08, 2009, 20:42:31 PM »

The vets do the claim not you and it should be a continaution....you just fill your bit of the claim form in and tick the box that says money to the vet

Kocka was terrified of the vets but as she was older she also was used to having a lead and she was much happier sitting in half of the carrier on my knee.

They can sedate briefly to do the blood test and think that is much better than having a very stressed cat.

Sounds like kd meat is the problem and am sure others on here can recommend other thinngs she can eat instead of that

Sorry to here that Chutney is also being tested....think maybe your vet is ummmmmmmm on the money grabbing front

Mojo · « **Reply #88 on:** October 08, 2009, 20:30:53 PM »

So nice to see people do care

The vet visit was fun on Tuesday, Mango refused to get into her box (my OH was on his own) so he took Chutney at 2pm to have her test (she is having an FIV test as well) and he said we would take Mango when I got home from work.

I got home and she still would not go in to her box. Lots of swearing and my poor OH had scratches everywhere :-[and poor Bear too, she obviously was tired of going to the vets. So, I put her harness on (and I was sooooo thankful I lead trained her) and had her in the car on my lap. She absolutely loved it!! she was a lot less stressed and was an angel.

Unfortunately when the vet took blood she got stressed again (came out dribbling and panting poor baby

) but we have not had the results of the tests yet.
When I got home from work today there was a poo in the living room, which seemed to be a lot firmer. I think it may also be some kind of food intolerance (the vet is also wondering if its that) as the K/d meat was far too rich for her and definately made her squits a lot worse. To test the theory she has been eating K/D and occasional T/D biscuits only. Not ideal I know, but her poops seem a lot better. She is still uncomfortable though when she does go.

I think no matter what the tests say then I will suggest lactob to see if it makes her tummy a bit more comfortable.Also, as the claim I sent to Axa was for all the previous courses of antib's and then the kidney diagnosis, am I going to be able to do a continuation claim based on the fact her original problem (diarrhoea) has not solved? Or will they do it separate cos it's not related to the kidney failure?

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #87 on:** October 08, 2009, 20:17:06 PM »

Hows Mojo been doing over the last few days? Any news on the test results

Also wanted to say about LactoB, I've just started Riley on it almost a week ago now and it seems to have firmed up his runny bum nicely. Definitely worth asking the vet about, it's a probiotic so shouldn't be a problem for her to have it - VetUK was the cheapest when I bought mine.

Mojo · « **Reply #86 on:** October 05, 2009, 09:20:21 AM »

She was only discovered to have the kidney problems (and subsequently put onto the K/D)when they took a blood test to find out why she was getting the runs/pooping round the house.

The kidney problems were discovered as part of the tests to find out why she was having trouble toileting.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #85 on:** October 04, 2009, 22:17:18 PM »

Maybe the kd is the thing that is upsetting her?

Mojo · « **Reply #84 on:** October 04, 2009, 20:14:35 PM »

Quote from: Millys Mum on October 03, 2009, 19:30:43 PM

Take another sample with you on tuesday, does her sister ever show any symptoms? If not then id be thinking more of a food intolerance of some kind rather than an infectious problem

Chutney is not related, she is approx 3-4 weeks older. Mango has always eaten the same food, (except now she is on the k/d) when she started pooping round the house quite a lot of the time the poops themselves looked fine, not sloppy in any way.

I will also suggest food exclusion when they go to the vets on tuesday. The vet did ask about the possibility of foreign bodies, the food she was eating before k/d etc (pets at home light biscs and Felix AGAIL)

I should know the results of both their FIV tests by the end of the week....

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #83 on:** October 03, 2009, 22:04:06 PM »

Think this is the link but you click on the link in the centre which brings you to Langford

http://www.vetschool.bristol.ac.uk/langford/cas/smallanihosp.html

Which brings you to here

http://www.langfordvets.co.uk/

Millys Mum · « **Reply #82 on:** October 03, 2009, 19:30:43 PM »

Take another sample with you on tuesday, does her sister ever show any symptoms? If not then id be thinking more of a food intolerance of some kind rather than an infectious problem

Desley (booktigger) · « **Reply #81 on:** October 03, 2009, 19:21:09 PM »

Good luck - and in house tests can produce false negatives, stats according to Glasgow are 7% for false positives and 5% for false negatives (these were produced after they rechecked inhouse tests). I still wouldnt be thinking FIV for a dodgy tum though, there are much likelier causes, especially as she has had recent antibiotics. Food exclusion would be very high on my list.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #80 on:** October 03, 2009, 14:13:57 PM »

Bristol is one of the centres of excellence and part of the university which has a vet training centre.

Unfortunately they do not have an MRI scanner but seenm to have knowldege about most other things.

Frantas xrays and blood test results were sent their by my Gower vet cos he is of greatvinterest to vets cos he has only one working kidney and the vet that did an excellent report of the what to do was extremly highly qualified.

I am sure that your vets know about Bristol , Liverpool, Glasgow and think its one near Cambridge , which is the one who do the MRi scans and have the expertise to read then properly.

At all but dont know about Glasgow, they also take in-patients but the care apparently is wonderful.

I know my vet rang Bristol for Franta but some vets seem to be too proud to admit they dont know and need advoce or help from the specialists.

I will try and find the link to Bristol for you.

Kay and Penny · « **Reply #79 on:** October 03, 2009, 14:07:34 PM »

think Gill means the Bristol Veterinary Hospital

Mojo · « **Reply #78 on:** October 03, 2009, 14:02:36 PM »

Mango has been seen by two vets, the first man gave her the first course of antib's, the lady then gave her the second course, then the lady took the poo and blood sample, then the original bloke is sending the bloods to Glasgow (Phew!)

As both Mango and Chutney are going in on tuesday (both for jabs and both for blood tests) I might mention the specialist thing.

Yes they are both insured with Axa Gill, already claimed for the vats majority and cheque is on the way so it's an ongoing claim. What is in Bristol sorry?

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #77 on:** October 02, 2009, 21:56:42 PM »

Is Mango insured?

If so I would be tempted to tell her to stop all the tests and refer Mango to a specialist as an emergency. Stop tests because the specialists will redo them.

The other alternative is to get a second opinion cos your vet is wasting time by being stuck on something and not taking advice....she could ring Bristol for example and get advice.

Mojo · « **Reply #76 on:** October 02, 2009, 20:04:51 PM »

That name does ring a bell yes, I think so.

The vet is sending bloods to Glasgow (I tend to agree with CC about the false negative thing so I am not sure why) but he does seem to be quite doom and gloom about the whole FIV thing in the first place.
I will suggest the "good bacteria" thing to the vet. If she is negative though, what could be causing the rock bottom White blood cells??

Gillian Harvey · « **Reply #75 on:** October 02, 2009, 19:19:50 PM »

Quote from: Mojo on October 02, 2009, 16:28:20 PM

Yes- it was negative for everything.

Presume they tested for Tritrichomonas foetus? http://www.langfordvets.co.uk/lab_pcr_tritri.htm

CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls · « **Reply #74 on:** October 02, 2009, 18:09:50 PM »

I know those in-house tests can give a false positive but never a false negative

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #73 on:** October 02, 2009, 18:06:05 PM »

I know this sounds really daft but am wondering , has she had any abs recently?

If so that could be the answer and ask your vet if there is a problem starting using lacto B to see if that will help.

Abs can kill the good bacteria in the stomach which then causes them to have problems, the more abs and the stronger they are, the worse the problem.

Franta had probs in Feb after strong abs and he is still on the lacto B because he has had to have these abs twice since and if I stopped the lacto B his tummy got bad again. So in August I was reducing it slowly to see if that would be better but sadly he needed the abs again so we are back to square one.

I dont think the lacto B would do any harm but it may do some good.

Millys Mum · « **Reply #72 on:** October 02, 2009, 16:32:37 PM »

I think id test again before moving on to other options which tend to be more invasive. Sometimes parasites and bacteria dont shed in every poo so its possible to miss things.
What do you feed her? Have you gone down the food exclusion route yet?

Mojo · « **Reply #71 on:** October 02, 2009, 16:28:20 PM »

Yes- it was negative for everything.

Thats why the vet is stumped- Nothing showed on the sample, the blood shows slight CRF and low white blood cells, but her tummy problem is not made any better by antibiotics. What the hell is it?!?

Millys Mum · « **Reply #70 on:** October 02, 2009, 15:03:31 PM »

Im so glad you got both negatives

but whatever vet tested her before 16wks with an inhouse test should be shot, the only test for little kittens is a special glasgow one, at a young age they can be 'positive' because of mothers antibodies so completely pointless testing them so young. Shes lucky she wasnt with a rescue who pts.

Has she had a poo sample tested?

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #69 on:** October 02, 2009, 14:20:01 PM »

Good news about the negatives! Now if you can just get to the bottom of her tummy troubles

Janeyk · « **Reply #68 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:47:21 PM »

Glad the results were negative, hopefully you can find out the problem soon, I wonder if something is disagreeing with her?

Bazsmum · « **Reply #67 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:39:06 PM »

Its more likely to be the positive one unreliable and not a negative one if that makes any sense!

Mojo · « **Reply #66 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:25:14 PM »

The negative result was also an inhouse one

Bazsmum · « **Reply #65 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:15:26 PM »

If it was an inhouse test when she was a kitten then those wont be as reliable as the Glasgow ones!

So glad the results have come back negative!

Mojo · « **Reply #64 on:** October 02, 2009, 12:08:43 PM »

Results are back.

Mango is NEGATIVE for FELV AND FIV!!!!

Now I am confused. We are doing another blood test and sending this to Glasgow. Her White Blood cells were rock bottom at the last blood tests so the vet is really confused. The test she had as a kitten is more unreliable than the one she has just done, as she was less than 8 weeks old and it was most likely a false positive. So is she FIV+ or not???

She has agin lost weight, down to 4.1 Kilos now.

Still doesn't explain the constant diarrhoea though

swampmaxmum · « **Reply #63 on:** October 02, 2009, 10:44:26 AM »

me too, hoping that it's something very treatable. Vets can be very doom and gloom.

Michelle (furbabystar) · « **Reply #62 on:** October 02, 2009, 09:30:09 AM »

Everything crossed for a negative result xx

Desley (booktigger) · « **Reply #61 on:** October 02, 2009, 07:49:19 AM »

Fingers crossed for negative test results, I do wish vets wouldn't automatically think this, there are far more common reasons for runny poo, especially as she has CRF.

Bazsmum · « **Reply #60 on:** October 02, 2009, 02:30:52 AM »

Positive healing vibes being sent for darling Mango~~~~~~~

Stuart · « **Reply #59 on:** October 01, 2009, 21:14:46 PM »

Sending Tons of get well vibes Mango's way

pappilon · « **Reply #58 on:** October 01, 2009, 21:13:26 PM »

Sending positive vibes for Mango.

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