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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2009, 11:41:47 AM »
perhaps you need to put a sign on the gate requesting that they leash their dogs for the next x hundred yards. I have to say that if Shadow as off-leash and had had the bad taste to chase someone's cat, I would probably do exactly as they do - apologise profusely, call him to heel and walk on (keeping a firm eye on him, naturally) but I doubt i would put him on the leash because I know that once i have his attention he won't do it again ... And will probably never do it again if we walk that way regularly

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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2009, 11:11:58 AM »
OK I am going to be as calm as I can with this response,  becuase that man who wrote the letter is obvioulsy deluded and embellishing the truth somewhat,  but we continually have problems with dogs in our garden,  we live literally in the middle of nowhere on private land/road but it has a bridle way through it which of course is a favourite with dog walkers,  the dogs are off leads by the time they get to our house as they would have been down a country lane/track for about 500 yards,   before you get to our house we have big gates across the road but because of the bridleway we have to have a small opening at the side of the gates for people/horses to get past,  now in my opinion people coming to gates across a road obviously means that a house will be near and put your dog on a lead,  none of the dog walkers around here seem to be on the same wave length,  the dogs run straight into our garden,  they terrorise our cats,  they eat rubbish from our dustbins,  pee up our gates and generally cause all sorts of mayhem,  a house further down our lane actually had their cat ripped to bits and killed by a dog that ran into their garden.  Only yesterday a lady came past with two Irish Wolfhounds off of their leads,  they both saw the cats happily sitting in my garden and immediately started chase,  Teabag ended up on top of the fence and the kittens came flying through the cat flap scared out of their wits,  all the owner could do was call the dogs and say sorry to me,   she then carried on the walk with the dogs,  STILL not putting them on leads.  I know that some cat owners are inresponsable and I know cats cause damage but look at it from my point of view,  we spent literally everything we have to live where we are because of our cats,  I would never have the amount of cats I have if we lived in different circumstances but dogs out of control are now getting to the point where we have to keep our cats inside most of the time.  As for pooing in the nextdoor neighbours garden,  I wish they bloody would as it would save me a fortune on cat litter   :rofl:   but no,  they all come inside to use the cat litter.  Oh and on another point Steve works for Jaguar and often his company car is something very expensive and very new,   Daisy Doo Doo always sits on top of them however much we tell her not too and not once has she left a scratch that has damaged the car.  Like Den I am all for equality but this is just from a cat owners point of view.  I am also scared of and very allergic to dogs so it also not nice for me when they come in our garden and I have to chase out a dog that has it eye set on his dinner which is one of my cats or yesterdays rubbish from one of our dustbins.
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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2009, 09:36:29 AM »
Excellent response Dabs. But like Den I agree that wandering cats, particularly in the more dense urban areas, can be a major problem. I didn't have that problem solely because I also had a dog in my back garden. But the law recognises that cats wander, which is why dogs are more regulated. Dogs can be trained (so can cats, but only within limitations). Dogs can be restrained (so can cats, if the owners have the resources to provide adequate accommodation for them). Having your back garden infested with someone else's pets can be annoying, but it does not warrant violence or the spreading of disinformation as has been done in this letter. The man clearly has nothing better to do and has been festering on this for some time with no thoughts as to what positive action he might take to reduce the problem in his own garden. Perhaps some ideas as to that might be of assistance.

Also, consideration should be given to the possibility that many of these cats do not have owners in any real sense of the word - lord knows there are plenty of strays out there, so it is going to be hard to limit action to owners and hope to get a result. What a sad and sorry little man - he probably goes down to the local pub, sits on a stool alone and collars any passing stranger to let off steam at the iniquties of life ... Presumably he cultivates competition dahlias  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2009, 09:13:00 AM »
As a cat and dog owner can i reply to Den on the subject of dogs/cats freeroaming, a lot of these cats are pets that have been abandoned for various reasons ,owner moved or having a baby is the usual excuse therefore the cat cannot be blamed ,and while i realise this isnt always the case  it is a sad fact,on the subject of dogs being allowed the freedom that cats have,if dogs are allowed to roam freely they tend to gather in packs with other dogs resulting in terrorising people other pets etc, how many times have we read or heard on the news about dogs attacking people and im not talking about those that are kept as pets in homes but the ones on the street, i have never heard of a cat attcking people even a feral one, so while i sympathise with you over this issue i do feel that  a lot of cats have a very raw deal from people for no fault of their own, if they have no home where are they supposed to go???? Responsible owners keep cats in at night  so its the un-nuetered toms and queens who wander at night/day ,this therefore is down to the owners to be blamed and not the cats
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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2009, 00:38:51 AM »
Now I dislike cat poo in the garden ( my guys prefer to toilet outside but they tend to return to my garden to do it) but this guy is inciting hatred and violence...has the paper passed this onto the police?

I'm contemplating purchasing a childs sandpit and filling it with sand to try and encourage them off my raised beds. Z will take to this like he does to chicken!  :evillaugh: My only issue is that the other cats in the neighbourhood who are left out at night will also use it unless I cover it when the boys come in.....these cats are causing problems to me but I would NEVER attack them for this...its thier owners sloppy attitudes rather than the cats who are the issue.....

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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2009, 23:32:35 PM »
My cats will also come in from outdoors specifically to use their litter trays, but maybe that is just because they trays are kept clean and theres nothing to put them off. I expect quite a lot of people don't even bother having a litter tray for their cat.

Over the past couple of weeks on a couple of different forums I've encountered a number of people asking how to get a cat to stop using the litter tray because they either don't want one in the house, or don't think cats are supposed to come in to go to the toilet.

Ahh, but most people on here think that if people aren't prepared to put up with the litter tray they shouldn't have cats.  ;) Astryd comes in from the great outdoors to use  the litter tray, and we have an area specifically for the cats to toilet in our garden - our neighbours were told they could dump any cat poo they found on it!

Exactly, Purrs owners are the exception not the norm. Everyone on Purrs treats their cats as members of their family and takes responsibility. Most cat owners don't do that. Even some of my friends make me cringe at what they do. I must have at least 5 cats around here that use both mine and my next door neighbours gardens as toilets. Plenty of folks around here leave their cats out all night. I wouldn't have my viewpoint that I do if I wasn't just so irritated with the cats around here. It is a constant battle. I like to send Molly out to toilet just before I go to bed. I'm usually tired and just wanting to curl up in bed, but lately it's been taking forever. She just has to go over to the bottom of the garden and sniff out all of the cats area, or bark at the cat on the fence trying to come into the garden. It is far too irresistible. So she has to go out on a lead in her own garden, which is so not fair on her. So the cats in this area which don't belong to me have an effect on my life. And having to put up with it day after day becomes a very monotonous chore which I'd really not like to put up with, but I have no choice. It would be so wonderful to have a cat free garden .. oh yeah and I've tried all the tricks in the book. They just like my garden. And I LIKE cats, but don't appreciate them in the garden.

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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2009, 23:27:24 PM »
Beavis comes in to use his litter tray!! ;)



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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2009, 23:14:49 PM »
My cats will also come in from outdoors specifically to use their litter trays, but maybe that is just because they trays are kept clean and theres nothing to put them off. I expect quite a lot of people don't even bother having a litter tray for their cat.

Over the past couple of weeks on a couple of different forums I've encountered a number of people asking how to get a cat to stop using the litter tray because they either don't want one in the house, or don't think cats are supposed to come in to go to the toilet.

Ahh, but most people on here think that if people aren't prepared to put up with the litter tray they shouldn't have cats.  ;) Astryd comes in from the great outdoors to use  the litter tray, and we have an area specifically for the cats to toilet in our garden - our neighbours were told they could dump any cat poo they found on it!




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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2009, 23:11:53 PM »
My cats will also come in from outdoors specifically to use their litter trays, but maybe that is just because they trays are kept clean and theres nothing to put them off. I expect quite a lot of people don't even bother having a litter tray for their cat.

Over the past couple of weeks on a couple of different forums I've encountered a number of people asking how to get a cat to stop using the litter tray because they either don't want one in the house, or don't think cats are supposed to come in to go to the toilet.

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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2009, 23:07:58 PM »
Well done Dabs, that is a well put together letter. I have encountered this cat hating a few times and I agree that if more owners really cared about their animals, there would be far less of the problem. My cats will also come in from outdoors specifically to use their litter trays, but maybe that is just because they trays are kept clean and theres nothing to put them off. I expect quite a lot of people don't even bother having a litter tray for their cat.

I agree that humans cause a lot more damage and they are doing it knowingly. A friend of mine recently had 3 youths break into his house, attack him, tie him up, steal his house keys and /some other items and make off in his car. They know this is wrong yet they do it regardless. Cats however, are simply doing what is natural to them.

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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2009, 23:04:49 PM »
I don't see why people have to put up with other peoples pets on their property. Why do people have to put up with cats pooing in their garden? I have that in both the front and back. One cat dug up a plant which had been bought and put in the ground less than 24 hours beforehand. The cat pooed in that spot and the plant died. There is SO much poo at the bottom of the back garden that it's  :sick: It's also a neverending thing. You can pick it all up and it will be exactly the same the following day. And so much about cat's burying their poo.

I've had numerous dead birds in my garden, some half eaten. I can't let my rabbit free-roam around the garden because of all the cats around here. When I can't supervise him he goes in his run. I've had plenty of occassions over the years of cats stalking behind him ... and it scares him!!! I can't let Molly out in the garden because of all the poo. She will go straight down the bottom and go rumaging. I can call her off but it is soooooooo tempting. Occassionaly it's far to tempting and I end up with a smelly dog. I have NO idea if the cats have been wormed so I have to make sure Molly is wormed .. and I hate giving her chemicals unnecessarily.

People always say that cats should have the right to roam free, but why should they? No other pets have this freedom, I'm sure a lot of them would love it. It would be chaos if everyones pets wanted to do what they wanted. The thing about free roaming cats is  the owner can't control them, so you can't know what they get up to.  A lot of people won't take responsibility for their cats actions as .. "it's what cats do". I'm sorry but if people get a pet they should have control and take responsibility for them. Pets shouldn't be imposed on other people. For starters they might not like that particular animal. So either indoor or cat proofed gardens for cats. And yes before anyone says it dog people can be just as bad.

It's a controversial viewpoint, especially on a cat forum  :shy: but I've honestly just never understood why cats get so much freedom and dogs don't (excluding ignorant owners). It really is true that if a dog does something wrong the owner can get into trouble, but if a cat does something they get away with it. I'm all for equality  :evillaugh:

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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2009, 22:41:42 PM »
Great response Dabs, well done.

I'm sick to death of this vitriol against cats. That  :censored: has obviously embellished the facts as you said Dabs, blimey, you'd think cats were hanging around his place, like a load of yobs after the pub, puking and.....etc  ;)


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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2009, 22:09:56 PM »
I have 8 cats plus Chilli and Dave and not one of them toilets outside my garden,they have a special place that is theirs and theirs alone which is cleared and dug regular to stop them going elsewhere ;),but 99% of the time my lot  inlcuding C an D can be out for several hours then come home use the cat trays (which are inside ) and go back out, believe me this can be so frustrating when you have just cleaned them out and put fresh litter in but at least it ensures they dont go elsewhere,,I would be interested to see if this person takes up Debs challenge,i would think highly unlikely seeing as they didnt have the courage to put their name to the letter  ,welol done Debs for that brilliant reply to this person im right behind you on this                                                                                                                                                                                                    :hug:                                                                                                                                                                     
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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2009, 21:35:21 PM »
This was my response that I sent in last night!  :censored:

So summer must be here, the flowers are in full bloom, the Swallows have returned to Britain and the cat haters I see are in full flow, except that this one seems to be combined with a neighbour from hell!

I hold down a full time job, raise a family and volunteer for a cat charity where I foster cats and kittens in my own home till they can be found new owners. I have been there as a new born kitten takes it's first breath and at that heartbreaking moment when a cat takes it's last. I have had cases where that cat has undergone terrible suffering at the hands of man. They have been left to starve, neglected or denied vet treatment for the most simplest of conditions that having been left untreated have escalated. Some of my charges are only with me for a few hours or days before the vet has to do the kindest thing. In that time they have been permitted to know warmth and love that they have probably never known.

I take your comments about the damage left to your car and the carnage that you say surrounds your house with a pinch of salt, it strikes me that you have embellished the facts, for sympathy I assume.

May I take the liberty of reminding you of some cat facts. Cats are crepuscular hunters, which matches their prey, i.e. they hunt at dusk and dawn when most of their prey are feeding. During the night they like to do what cats do, and that is explore the neighbourhood, meet up with some feline friends (yes, they can form friendships) or mate. The latter is due to owners who will not have their pets neutered and allow them to fight and roam in the course of seeking out mates. This is the cause of the current population explosion that we currently have in this country, the owners are at fault, not the cat. Perhaps Mr/Mrs keen garden should be saving his/her venom for the owners not take it out on a defenceless animal.

My own cats are kept in between dusk and dawn, they have litter trays in the house and a border is dug over for them so they can use that as their toilet and I have seen them use it. Not long after we moved in here, a neighbour was muttering under her breath about cats in her garden and was accusatory towards us. Our cats were still kept in the house due to the move and were not yet allowed out, but we had the blame. We offered to help if she had issues when they would be allowed out, I have even offered to pick up cat faeces from her garden, not bothering if it is from ours or not. All we have been met with is hostility.

Cats faeces is a health hazard, only when the cat has not been wormed, mine are wormed on a monthly basis. I have kept cats all my life and successfully raised three children, my mother raised us around cats and successfully had three children. Like everything else in pregnancy, take precautions, worm your cat, use gloves to empty the litter tray or better still get someone else to do it. "Keen gardener" you are a prime example of a scaremonger. Enough cats are abandoned due to owners who have discovered they are pregnant and have listened to rubbish like this.

The psychologist "twerp" that you refer to has qualifications in their field, may I ask what yours are in order to make that judgement? It is a well known fact that people who go on to kill have in the past started on defenceless animals.

Cover sand pits, cats like to dig in soft ground, cats needs to sit when toileting put sticks in the ground at an angle, holly prunings are also good. Use water pistols when you see the cat in the garden to deter them, there is plenty of things that can be done to prevent exactly what you moan about.

I throw you down a public challenge, come and see me and some of my feline charges. Look at what they have been through, look at some of the terrible conditions that they come in here. Look me in the eye and tell me that due to humans failure to care that the cats are the ones that should suffer or perhaps you would like to remain the coward that you are and remain behind your anonymity. I look forward to meeting you.

There are thugs out there causing more nuisance and damage than any cat, perhaps you would like to wring their necks as well?

People need to be advised that not only could they face prosecution by the RSPCA for causing suffering to a defenceless animal they could also be charged under the Criminal Damage Act as a cat is classed as property. Also bear in mind that that cat you do harm to is someone's much loved pet and could be the only companion that an elderly neighbour may have.

What sets us apart as humans from the rest of the animals that we share this planet with is our compassion and intelligence, something clearly that our friend here is missing.

Well done love! That was a very well thought out and articulately written letter. I honestly think that people like "Keen Gardener" have nothing better to do than to sensationalise their ill-informed idea of a perfect world. Both myself and my OH are keen gardeners and cat owners, and enjoy every moment we spend tending to our little patch of paradise. Perhaps we're not as keen as we thought? After all, we haven't wrung the necks of the local cats............

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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2009, 20:25:21 PM »
Sorry, but I actually quite agree with that person ... apart from the wringing the neck part obviously  :shy:

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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 20:16:47 PM »
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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 20:14:52 PM »
This was my response that I sent in last night!  :censored:

So summer must be here, the flowers are in full bloom, the Swallows have returned to Britain and the cat haters I see are in full flow, except that this one seems to be combined with a neighbour from hell!

I hold down a full time job, raise a family and volunteer for a cat charity where I foster cats and kittens in my own home till they can be found new owners. I have been there as a new born kitten takes it's first breath and at that heartbreaking moment when a cat takes it's last. I have had cases where that cat has undergone terrible suffering at the hands of man. They have been left to starve, neglected or denied vet treatment for the most simplest of conditions that having been left untreated have escalated. Some of my charges are only with me for a few hours or days before the vet has to do the kindest thing. In that time they have been permitted to know warmth and love that they have probably never known.

I take your comments about the damage left to your car and the carnage that you say surrounds your house with a pinch of salt, it strikes me that you have embellished the facts, for sympathy I assume.

May I take the liberty of reminding you of some cat facts. Cats are crepuscular hunters, which matches their prey, i.e. they hunt at dusk and dawn when most of their prey are feeding. During the night they like to do what cats do, and that is explore the neighbourhood, meet up with some feline friends (yes, they can form friendships) or mate. The latter is due to owners who will not have their pets neutered and allow them to fight and roam in the course of seeking out mates. This is the cause of the current population explosion that we currently have in this country, the owners are at fault, not the cat. Perhaps Mr/Mrs keen garden should be saving his/her venom for the owners not take it out on a defenceless animal.

My own cats are kept in between dusk and dawn, they have litter trays in the house and a border is dug over for them so they can use that as their toilet and I have seen them use it. Not long after we moved in here, a neighbour was muttering under her breath about cats in her garden and was accusatory towards us. Our cats were still kept in the house due to the move and were not yet allowed out, but we had the blame. We offered to help if she had issues when they would be allowed out, I have even offered to pick up cat faeces from her garden, not bothering if it is from ours or not. All we have been met with is hostility.

Cats faeces is a health hazard, only when the cat has not been wormed, mine are wormed on a monthly basis. I have kept cats all my life and successfully raised three children, my mother raised us around cats and successfully had three children. Like everything else in pregnancy, take precautions, worm your cat, use gloves to empty the litter tray or better still get someone else to do it. "Keen gardener" you are a prime example of a scaremonger. Enough cats are abandoned due to owners who have discovered they are pregnant and have listened to rubbish like this.

The psychologist "twerp" that you refer to has qualifications in their field, may I ask what yours are in order to make that judgement? It is a well known fact that people who go on to kill have in the past started on defenceless animals.

Cover sand pits, cats like to dig in soft ground, cats needs to sit when toileting put sticks in the ground at an angle, holly prunings are also good. Use water pistols when you see the cat in the garden to deter them, there is plenty of things that can be done to prevent exactly what you moan about.

I throw you down a public challenge, come and see me and some of my feline charges. Look at what they have been through, look at some of the terrible conditions that they come in here. Look me in the eye and tell me that due to humans failure to care that the cats are the ones that should suffer or perhaps you would like to remain the coward that you are and remain behind your anonymity. I look forward to meeting you.

There are thugs out there causing more nuisance and damage than any cat, perhaps you would like to wring their necks as well?

People need to be advised that not only could they face prosecution by the RSPCA for causing suffering to a defenceless animal they could also be charged under the Criminal Damage Act as a cat is classed as property. Also bear in mind that that cat you do harm to is someone's much loved pet and could be the only companion that an elderly neighbour may have.

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Re: Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2009, 20:13:25 PM »
OMG  :censored:

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Who feels mad enough to respond to this?
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2009, 20:08:48 PM »
This was in my local paper recently. I post the article and my response I emailed over last night. The email address for the paper is editorial@burtonmail.co.uk
I thnk that the more people that voice their protests the better as there has been a spate of cat killings lately in the area with cats heads actually cut off and the body dumped in peoples gardens. Idiots like the one below will only serve to add fuel to the fire.

Orginal letter.
Sometimes cats may deserve to be killed
from A keen gardener,
Name and address supplied

SO, ONCE more a cat killer strikes in South Derbyshire and the RSPCA ask pet owners to keep their cats inside. What a wonderful idea.

As one who is surrounded by cats, I have both back and front gardens used as a cat toilet, plants scratched out of the ground, shrubs broken down, the doorstep littered with cat vomit, hair balls and various dead creatures, and hundreds of pounds worth of damage done to the bonnet of my car.

Yes, those vicious little claws can scratch right down to bare metal.

Perhaps it is now time for cat owners to take responsibility for their animals. As a dog owner, I would be liable for this damage, but it seems cat owners can just laugh it off.

Maybe they should recall a few cat facts. Cats are not nocturnal. How many big cats hunt at night? None.

Cat faeces is a health hazard. It stinks and it’s messy. It can cause Toxoplasmosis, which is manifest by stomach upsets and ’flu-like symptoms, and which can cause repeated miscarriages in young women.


Working in a garden or playing in a sandbox that contains cat faeces puts many children and grown ups at risk.

Some time ago, the BBC devoted some airtime to the Swadlincote cat killer, during which some twerp of a psychologist put forward his theories about ’serial killers in the making’.

Please, just remember some keen gardener or distraught young parents finding their toddler covered in cat faeces.

Then you might just find a motive for wringing the cats’ necks.


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