Topic: Breeding my cat (Read 62451 times)

Gillian Harvey · « **Reply #55 on:** June 07, 2009, 20:05:52 PM »

Gorgeous puss cats!

I have a 'thing' about colourpoints too - except mine are all long haired fluffs - I always fancied one of each possible colourpoint, but I think thats pushing it - even for me! LOL!

sallyagdm · « **Reply #54 on:** June 07, 2009, 20:00:29 PM »

They are georgeous cats

Topsy Turvey · « **Reply #53 on:** June 07, 2009, 10:47:08 AM »

Hi and

to Purrs.

Your kitties are just lovely. Hope everything goes well throughout the pregnancy and would love to see pics of the kittens once they are born.

Leanne · « **Reply #52 on:** June 07, 2009, 10:38:43 AM »

Gorgeous cats

blackcat · « **Reply #51 on:** June 07, 2009, 07:10:09 AM »

ooo you might get torti points with that sort of genetic combination - how exciting

She is a lovely little girl - and so too is TaoLi. Mao has a lovely face, and good conformation - she should be a star mum, I feel the blues always make the best mums because of their commonsense attitude to life ... Seals can be a bit flighty

Bazsmum · « **Reply #50 on:** June 07, 2009, 04:40:21 AM »

Gorgeous piccies of gorgeous cats!

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #49 on:** June 07, 2009, 00:53:27 AM »

yes it could be interseting lol

my two have blue or seal throught their lines.

Dar · « **Reply #48 on:** June 07, 2009, 00:51:22 AM »

The lilac point was bred with a fairly dark Blue point, His parents however were a Seal and a flame point so the kittens really could come out any point. I guess I will just have to wait and see.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #47 on:** June 07, 2009, 00:43:26 AM »

they are gorgeous

i have 2 birmans , one seal point and the other a very light....i think......blue point.....so lilac points interest me

Dar · « **Reply #46 on:** June 07, 2009, 00:40:16 AM »

These are my 2 girls. These are pretty old pictures sorry I don't have any recent ones, The lilac point kitten is the one hopfully having babies she is 2 years old now her name is Mao pronounce "mow". The other seal point name is TaoLi, she is 5 years old and because I know someone is going to ask yes she is spayed and no she has never had kittens

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #45 on:** June 07, 2009, 00:19:13 AM »

I would love to see pictures and am interested in the colours of points and stuff

Philip · « **Reply #44 on:** June 06, 2009, 21:43:11 PM »

It is a magical moment when the kittens are born.

Best of luck and hope it all goes well.

Now having bred myself if you want to ask any questions please pm me.

Take care.

blackcat · « **Reply #43 on:** June 06, 2009, 21:40:34 PM »

Dar, of course we would love to have regular updates on her progress. I for one am always excited about the prospect of new babies, especially when they are being born into a home where they will be loved and well cared for ...

Dar · « **Reply #42 on:** June 06, 2009, 21:26:20 PM »

I would like to mention that I did think this forum was for anything cat related, which is why I posted under the "all things cat" folder. I was met with some hostility by some but not by all I got a few private messages that very helpful. Overall ladies and gentlemen I do understand why people are upset about the whole "breeding" topic and I know that you all have the best interest of the cats at heart. Please believe me when I say I actaully am a responsible pet owner and that my cat and her kittens will be well taken care of. If anyone is interested in knowing how the pregnacy goes and the kittens when they are born let me know and I will keep ya posted.

Susanne (urbantigers) · « **Reply #41 on:** June 06, 2009, 20:19:41 PM »

Quote from: blackcat on June 04, 2009, 09:27:08 AM

Hi Dar, welcome to the forum. Breeding is not a high priority here as the forum is devoted to cat rescue. That is not to say that there are not people who are members of the forum who breed. There are a few of them. The main reason you will receive a negative response to the idea is that many members see the end result of bad ownership. Many breeds of animal, siamese cats included are adopted by people who do not do the proper research into the characterisitics of the breed and their requirements. So an illinformed siamese purchaser might not realise just how penetrating a siamese voice can be at 3 in the morning or how annoying (to them) the cat's behaviour might become. So they dump it or put it on the free ads and our membership ends up with the cat after it has been through several cycles of hell. Since our primary concern is the wellbeing of the cat, not the owner, we tend to discourage people from breeding their animal since once the animal has left their control they are unable to guarantee it will live a long happy and healthy life. So better not to breed in the first place. Similarly the actual breeding process carries risks as does any pregnancy so the cat who is being used for this purpose is also being placed unnecessarily at risk as a result of the owner's decision.

I strongly recommend you engage in a level of self-examination that includes consideration of the fitness of your queen to breed (does she carry any latent abnormalities or disorders that might be passed to possible kittens?), her state of health. What your motives are for breeding her, whether you are going to be willing to take back any of her offspring that do not fit into their new home or whose owners later find they are unable to keep them, and matters of that sort. Also talk to the breed societies and to your vet.

Good luck with your decision-making process and please let us know what you decide!!

Very well put and I concur with your entire post

Can everyone please remember 2 points (and to pretty much re-iterate what Tan said)

1) Not everyone who joins Purrs realises immediately that Purrs is primarily a cat rescue site. It is easy to stumble upon the site when searching for information. Therefore, we should give everyone the benefit of the doubt initially and seek to enlighten new posters as to the main purpose of Purrs without being rude.

2) Everyone is entitiled to express an opinion. But with that right comes the responsibility to choose one's words carefully. Please make sure you attack the argument and not the poster. This is particularly pertinant when answering posts by new posters. It is possible to disagree with someone whilst remaining polite, and you are much more likely to win someone over to your argument if you seek to inform and educate rather than criticise. Breeding is one of those topics that many are passionate about and see as incompatable with cat rescue, but that sometimes prompts people to post in haste. When you see a post that inflames you in any way, please take a step back, go and make a cuppa or whatever, and then come back later to post when you are less agitated. I know I've posted myself before under such circumstances when I know I would have been better holding off and waiting until I was a bit calmer. Overt criticism just drives people away and then we lose the opportunity to educate. So, ultimately, the cats lose out.

Liz · « **Reply #40 on:** June 06, 2009, 15:14:16 PM »

I have more cats than some folks currently at 42 living inside - 28 with privilages the rest on the inside and about a dozen or so ferals outside= Domestic moggies, lots of feral moggies and my rescue ragdoll Minmin complete with papers also 2 pedigree dogs both ISDS registered and a farm collie puppy

The papers make no difference - I homecheck for both dog and cat rescues and have 2 pedigree dogs as I wouldn't home a rescue dog to me due to our fennces on the 5 acres, the puppy was a Christmas present from Robin as I wanted a red collie and we couldn't get one from Sky's breeder

I will say that the rescue side is hard - as we know to our cost Gem had 4 kittens - 3 died she died 4 months after we rescued her from FIP left us with her soul kitten a Corona carrier this rescue cost well in to 4 figures and left a gaping hole in our hearts

We currently are trapping and neutering the latest round of dumped cats about 12 in total - light nights are proving to be a god send!

As long as all the animals concerned will go to good homes with folks who will spey/neuter then all and good but I hope that they are not just a passing fad - cats live an awful long time and can be expensive when it is least expected - our average vets bill per month for the cats for boosters and Program injections in nearly £500 this excludes the dogs who all have the same and worming is £150.00 a quarter thats for normal run of the mill stuff - other health issues are faced - our vets bill for May was £1000 - this included the loss of our darling Sailor, the amputation of a third of Peanuts tail, Phoenix getting covered in oil and being washed and brushed out under anasthetic as he has a heart murner

Our lot eat 9 tins and 3 kgs of food every day to so having them is a commitment not a fancy

Good luck and we will need to see photo's

Bazsmum · « **Reply #39 on:** June 06, 2009, 13:51:13 PM »

All good info Tanni...Thanks!

Now on another rather important subject could you please enlighten?

http://www.purrsinourhearts.co.uk/index.php/topic,25305.0.html

Bazsmum · « **Reply #38 on:** June 06, 2009, 13:49:12 PM »

Angiew · « **Reply #37 on:** June 06, 2009, 13:46:10 PM »

I like a good punch up now and again - gets the fur flying!

Tan · « **Reply #36 on:** June 06, 2009, 13:26:58 PM »

PS

We should be deleting all the personal posts on this thread but i will leave the thread as is for the sole purpose that people can see what has upset and what will not be accepted in future threads. We certainly are not saying you can't have your say or opinion on any subject at all, I do like a good discussion myself

but Polite, controlled, discussions and advice is the very best way to help any member seeking advice, they are much more likely to listen and respect what advice we can give in the best interest of their cat.

Tan · « **Reply #35 on:** June 06, 2009, 13:02:06 PM »

Hi All

As Gill says we are in the middle of considering an extra note in our guidelines about this subject. It is one of those emotional and sensitive ones due to the fact we are a site firstly in support of Cat rescue and helping them to help the needy cats. Secondly, we are (and all the staff will try to keep it) a friendly place to come and be part of a cat lovers community, where any cat lover/slave can come for valuable advice and chat to like minded friends about the furries in our lives. This is important as it is our way to build a community to help the needy cats and a friendly forum is important as without it we do not have the members joining in our events to fundraise and help the rescues (our main goal).

Purrs will not discriminate between members who have Ped cats or moggies and i believe threads on this nature are getting a little out of hand and having a ped cat is getting rolled up in with the subject of actual breeding and breeders which should not the be case. There are many rescue cats that are Pedigrees and moggies and ALL cats and all genuine cat loving slaves are welcome no matter how their cats have come to be part of a members loved family.

Members who have been with us or Catchat for a while do know we are here to support cat rescue and as a result do understand it can be a sensitive subject but new members do not have that knowledge with us as yet. If we as a rescue community are seen to respond to posts and to give friendly advice in a calm. polite but informed manner to new members, it's more likely to have the desired effect than if they are met with hostility. It is the reason we have this in our guide from the start of Purrs :-

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As in all forums, it is very easy to take the written word in the wrong context and meaning. The use of smilies do help to show your emotions in your text. We all have our own strong opinions and personalities can clash or it would not be a real world but please be polite and hold controlled discussions.

Please bear in mind that some people may come on the site not knowing much about cats and genuinely seeking advice.
Please be fair to any topics you may not agree with. Ie if a new poster comes on posting about de-clawing, etc., please be polite but objective as the poster may be unaware that this is very very cruel and offensive to us. However, if there is a poster deliberately upsetting members, please report this to a Moderator or Admin straight away.

If we are to add a little on this subject to our guide (which also is in our registration agreement before you become a member) it will hopefully help new members be aware we are in support of cat rescue and the subject of active breeding will be one of our sensitive ones. We do not promote breeders or allow breeder advertising. We would not want to stop any cat owners including responsible, caring breeders joining for friendly advice from our huge wealth of knowledge for the best interest of their cat/s care and health.

Personal "attacks" of any kind should not be on threads and any problems or things you are not happy with are much better being reported to the staff who can help to the best we can with a mind of fairness for all the members.

For me and i hope for all of us, we are a team of caring cat owners, helping other cat owners, helping the cat rescues and having the members and the staff as a group together to do this.

CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls · « **Reply #34 on:** June 06, 2009, 11:28:32 AM »

To be honest I feel the people who say they are going to breed their moggies are attacked more.

CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls · « **Reply #33 on:** June 06, 2009, 11:25:12 AM »

Quote from: ccmacey on June 05, 2009, 18:12:19 PM

Sorry I have been of no use so far but you can obviously see its a subject that many people dont and wont agree on

Gill I am not personially attacking anyone, just mearly trying to understand why people choose to breed...as I have not choosen to breed any of my cats. I would like to be able to understand both sides--then maybe I can become a little more informed.

I have nothing about Pedigree cats, if one came to me as a stray I would not ignore it because it was a Ped- its a cat at the end of the day!

I thought this was a place of learning, wether mog or ped, Im just trying to understand

I appologise Dar if you feel I have attacked you in any way, that was not my intention

Philip · « **Reply #32 on:** June 06, 2009, 02:15:20 AM »

As a probationary Ragdoll breeder myself I found myself in this same predicament.

I posted on here to get advice and got totally slated.

Before I started to post on here about breeding from my queen, I had seeked advice from my vet, got full support from my breeder and studied about the breed for a long time attending seminars and self study. Its not something you should get into lightly.

I chose to breed more for the love and progression of the ragdoll breed and not for money.

If you do things properly (vaccinations, worming, food costs, being there constantly (when the cats primagravida is due). There isn't much money to be made.

At the same time, It takes a hell of a lot out of a breeding queen to have a litter and provide milk. Also you have to be prepared to pay for an emergency Cesarean section if the queen struggles to give birth. Then there are the sleepless nights hand rearing the kittens if the queen rejects them and heartache if any kittens are deformed and don't make it. The stud and queen also need to be checked for FIV/FELV and coronovirus before mating.

Registered breeders are not always good breeders and I have met at least 4 registered ragdoll breeders who allow their queens to have multiple litters in a single year. These breeders also keep their queens and stud cats couped up in small runs with minimal human interaction. Being registered with the GCCF or TICA doesn't make anyone a good breeder if they haven't got the passion or expertise. There are many breeders who are not registered, but bestow kittens with love and good socialisation and ensure they go to decent homes.

This is always going to be a sensitive subject sadly.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #31 on:** June 06, 2009, 01:44:33 AM »

We have been considering this Jasmine but quite honestly the guidlines for Purrs already state that personal attacks should not be made on other members of Purrs.

We are losing members now because of these attacks on some who join who have pedigrees. This site is supposed to be for all cats and why should those with pedigrees be afraid to post and feel they have to leave? We are also losing longer term members who feel uncomfortable about what is happening on Purrs and do not consider that they have the same right to speak about their cats as others.

BC has expressed very well in her two posts the position and yet she has been attacked for her posts which were written most correctly.

If someone doesnt like a subject, then stay off it as most others on Purrs do.....there are posts that I would never read or post on but it seems that some are just seeking attention by making trouble. Purrs does not need you!

We are here to help where we can when people come and ask questions, attacking them stilts the education process as bc has said...its not just what you say but the agressive way that you say it.

Gill
Purrs Admin

Jasmine · « **Reply #30 on:** June 06, 2009, 01:20:22 AM »

Perhaps Tan would like to consider some board guidelines on this subject, otherwise this argument and unpleasantness is going to crop up time and time again.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #29 on:** June 06, 2009, 00:13:31 AM »

I agree with bc and I am totally fed up of all those anti pedigree types who are trying to control Purrs.

Dar has been very gracious in answering all your questions so let this subject now drop, stop pursuing cc and let people enjoy their cats.

Gill
Admin Purrs

CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls · « **Reply #28 on:** June 05, 2009, 22:32:31 PM »

Quote from: Dar on June 05, 2009, 18:33:49 PM

I chose not to spay her in the first place because as I'm sure you are aware purebred registered cats are not cheap, once I had decided to get one I had several request to breed her for a litter. I agreed with my family that once she was old enough and mature enough to handle a litter I would breed so that they to could have a kitten. I don't have any interest in breeding her again after this litter so I will get her spayed.

Am I not getting something here

What does the cost of the cat have to do with her breeding, if not breeding for sale

Personally I wouldn't let my family talk me into breeding my cat, its my responsibility to look after her wellbeing.

How can you be sure that nobody will breed from the kittens? Once something is given away you have no right of say anymore.

Can I ask which male was she mated with, who has the male.

Lots of Q's I know but the mind boggles

Stuart · « **Reply #27 on:** June 05, 2009, 20:31:35 PM »

Quote from: Dar on June 05, 2009, 17:00:05 PM

well everyone it does seem that I have posted a sensitive topic I am aware there are plenty of cats without homes and I myself have taken in strays and found them new homes. No I will not be selling the kittens and I plan to have her spayed once they are born. Sorry if this upsets anyone but please believe me when I say I have the will and funds to make sure that these kittens will be well taken care.

P.S ALL of the kittens will be spayed or neutered.

Very sensitive

Was going to ask, was this first litter just a one off ??
and this reply says it all

like it has been mentioned, Purrs is a charity Forum mainly Helping in and Dealing with the poor waifs and strays that have been dumped, abandoned
neglected and worse still cruelty cases

A lot of these rescues who carry out this very hard and demanding sometimes very emotional work are Very Passionate about thier job

So I'm sure You can Understand why some of the reply's for your Post are slightly negative

I'm so glad that this will be a One off, and that you already have Good homes lined up for them

obtw

to Purrs

Millys Mum · « **Reply #26 on:** June 05, 2009, 19:57:08 PM »

Its a classic can of worms Dar, people here are emotionally damaged from the stress of dealing with excess cats/kittens from people breeding peds and moggies, so it always causes upset

I think the upset should be put towards the original registered breeder who has sold an active queen to someone who wasnt ever planning on starting a line of siamese just provide for family members

There should be requirements under gccf etc that registered breeders have to take care where they sell active cats too

Dar · « **Reply #25 on:** June 05, 2009, 18:33:49 PM »

I chose not to spay her in the first place because as I'm sure you are aware purebred registered cats are not cheap, once I had decided to get one I had several request to breed her for a litter. I agreed with my family that once she was old enough and mature enough to handle a litter I would breed so that they to could have a kitten. I don't have any interest in breeding her again after this litter so I will get her spayed.

Yvonne · « **Reply #24 on:** June 05, 2009, 18:15:52 PM »

Darlene - thank you for updating

If you have some pictures it would be lovely to see your little girl

CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls · « **Reply #23 on:** June 05, 2009, 18:12:19 PM »

Sorry I have been of no use so far but you can obviously see its a subject that many people dont and wont agree on

Can I ask...you say once she has the kittens she will be getting spayed, why did you not choose to do this in the first place?

Dar · « **Reply #22 on:** June 05, 2009, 17:00:05 PM »

well everyone it does seem that I have posted a sensitive topic I am aware there are plenty of cats without homes and I myself have taken in strays and found them new homes. No I will not be selling the kittens and I plan to have her spayed once they are born. Sorry if this upsets anyone but please believe me when I say I have the will and funds to make sure that these kittens will be well taken care.

P.S ALL of the kittens will be spayed or neutered.

CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls · « **Reply #21 on:** June 05, 2009, 13:08:43 PM »

Does it really matter now? the cat has been bred

Although I dont think any advice was listened to as it was bred the very next day.

Maybe the little "bragging" sign on the thread title is whats riled people

Gillian Harvey · « **Reply #20 on:** June 05, 2009, 12:07:33 PM »

Quote from: sheryl on June 05, 2009, 11:17:36 AM

I do not condemn breeders in any way as long as they are registered and know what they are doing !!!

this poster is obviously not registered or experienced or they would not be seeking advice as the whether their cat is suitable for breeding. This is how BSB start

If you look at Dar's first post - she brought her cat with the intention of breeding, so she may well be registered, you have no right to assume that she is not. If she was a BSB, no doubt she would have bred her cat before now (note - the cat is 2 yrs old) and without bothering to seek advice about whether she is suitable for breeding or not. With regard to knowing what she's doing - well, all breeders have to start somewhere don't they? She sought advice here, and she sought advice from her vet.

blackcat · « **Reply #19 on:** June 05, 2009, 11:24:04 AM »

When someone is new to a forum it is not appropriate to treat them as rudely as has been done in some of the posts below. I do not apologise for castigating people for such offensive behaviour. If you truly want to educate and assist people to become more intelligent and responsible in the way they approach matters then the attitudes shown on this thread are not the way to do it. Darlene may or may not be a BSB, she came here to seek advice and assistance. Instead she received lectures and judgemental attitudes. Not a good start in terms of gaining her understanding of the issues of concern to this forum. It is regrettable that she has chosen to act so precipitately however she has also shown that she has sought advice from professionals such as her vet - something that would suggest she is far from the negligent person some here have chosen to cast her as. I suggest that we are hear to educate, not to judge or to accuse. If that causes offence, then it is possible that the people who are offended feel that I have struck a little too close to the bone so they might be well advised not to respond until they have considered more carefully how appropriate their remarks were in light of Darlene's newness to the forum

Dawn F · « **Reply #18 on:** June 05, 2009, 11:20:43 AM »

couldn't agree more Sheryl - although I do wonder if this is a wind up???

sheryl · « **Reply #17 on:** June 05, 2009, 11:17:36 AM »

I do not condemn breeders in any way as long as they are registered and know what they are doing !!! (I own 4 pedigrees myself and have the utmost respect for the breeders that my cats have come from) this poster is obviously not registered or experienced or they would not be seeking advice as the whether their cat is suitable for breeding. This is how BSB start and IMHO Purrs should do its best to discourage BSB. I have seen the reult of BSB first hand because the REGISTERED breeder that I deal with often rescues cats that have been bred by these "well" meaning people and has to pick up the pieces and believe me it is often not a pretty sight.

If people would rather I didnt post any more then that is fine by me!!!

Yvonne · « **Reply #16 on:** June 05, 2009, 10:38:13 AM »

Good morning Darlene and

to Purrs

Cannot offer assistance with the breeding of Siamese as I have never owned a Siamese in my life but I do admire the breed

Good luck

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