I have given up with the owners as i haven't heard from them. I am going to try getting in touch with the cat protection in that area to let them know about him and the kitten and if the rescue can trap them and want us to take them then I might need some help transporting the kittens, that is if you can bear it. The only reason I am doing that is they are young enough to help and I for my own piece of mind need to know I have done everything I can to help the kittens. I would say what I thought of the oner but I am tired, fed up and it wouldn't be very polite. But thank you very much for all your help.