Topic: Poorly Riley... again - UPDATE (Read 25030 times)

Millys Mum · « **Reply #149 on:** March 18, 2009, 19:24:24 PM »

Glad you havnt got any lurgies Helen

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #148 on:** March 17, 2009, 21:53:12 PM »

Wll the vet (a different one) rang this afternoon and said that the test has come back negative for campylobacter (thanks MM!), he then started to talk about food allergies again but said that the vegetable and animal deriviatives in each batch might vary so it could be that something has changed with the food in that way. I then mentioned about Lu having been poorly in the middle of it too and I basically said that seeing as he was better and that the test has come back with no nasties then I'll just carry on as we were which he agreed was the best course of action, no food change required.

I actually dug out all the empty cartons from the bin (

) to backdate his 'food diary' and will make sure they have the ones they haven't already had over the next few days just to discount the allergy theory.

Den · « **Reply #147 on:** March 16, 2009, 19:08:08 PM »

Quote from: Millys Mum on March 16, 2009, 19:05:58 PM

Nah panacur is useless, it doesnt shift worms either

Have to agree to disagree on that I'm afraid. My personal experience is that Panacur definitely shifts worms

Edit - forgot I have heard of metronidazole being used followed by a course of Panacur.

Millys Mum · « **Reply #146 on:** March 16, 2009, 19:05:58 PM »

Nah panacur is useless, it doesnt shift worms either

Den · « **Reply #145 on:** March 16, 2009, 19:04:05 PM »

Quote from: Millys Mum on March 16, 2009, 18:56:01 PM

Glad hes negative so far, giardia would have shown up helen so dont worry, the metronidazole you have given would have treated it anyway!
Campylobacter is the spelling you want

Giardia doesn't always show up and often slips under the radar. Also some strains are becomming resistant to metronidazole or require longer courses to kill some of the hardier ones. Panacur is supposedly a much better at treating it.

Millys Mum · « **Reply #144 on:** March 16, 2009, 18:56:01 PM »

Glad hes negative so far, giardia would have shown up helen so dont worry, the metronidazole you have given would have treated it anyway!
Campylobacter is the spelling you want

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #143 on:** March 16, 2009, 18:48:16 PM »

Quote from: Susanne (urbantigers) on March 16, 2009, 17:10:10 PM

Quote from: Team Svartalfheims on March 16, 2009, 16:52:45 PM
I must admit I did laugh when I saw that York test for allergies to human dander. What on earth do you do if your pet is allergic to you? Do you have to Petal Cleanse yourself I wonder

Can't remember, but is Riley on Lacto b? or were you waiting for all the results of blood tests? If it is inconclusive, I would get some lacto b and keep him on it for a while (even if his poo seems ok). When Jaffa has a bit of a problem, I put him on lacto b and kept him on it for several months, even though he seemed better. Then I decided to stop it and he's been pretty much ok ever since.

You said previously that you didnt want to give lacto B till the results were in and that would be my first port of call, next..........did that make sense

Franta has had lacto B for about a week and seems to fine now but did stop it too early and he showed signs of having a problem again. Put him back on it and last night he was fine.....so keeping fingers crossed.

Fantastic stuff especially as can out in food without a problem

Susanne (urbantigers) · « **Reply #142 on:** March 16, 2009, 17:10:10 PM »

Quote from: Team Svartalfheims on March 16, 2009, 16:52:45 PM

I must admit I did laugh when I saw that York test for allergies to human dander. What on earth do you do if your pet is allergic to you? Do you have to Petal Cleanse yourself I wonder

Can't remember, but is Riley on Lacto b? or were you waiting for all the results of blood tests? If it is inconclusive, I would get some lacto b and keep him on it for a while (even if his poo seems ok). When Jaffa has a bit of a problem, I put him on lacto b and kept him on it for several months, even though he seemed better. Then I decided to stop it and he's been pretty much ok ever since.

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #141 on:** March 16, 2009, 17:03:54 PM »

Quote from: Den on March 16, 2009, 16:53:09 PM

Really hope the cause of his bottom issues are found.

I don't even mind if the cause wasn't discovered, as far as I'm concerned he is fine now and I'm happy for it to be put down as 'one of those things'. I don't know why but it's really annoyed me suggesting he has an allergy, sounds like a cop out to me and if I don't have the allergy tests done (that's if they even suggest them) then he will be labelled as having a food allergy which I genuinely don't think he does. I'm going to make sure he gets fed one of each flavourwise of Bozita over the next few days and see if there's any reactions.

for the PM Lottie

Den · « **Reply #140 on:** March 16, 2009, 16:53:09 PM »

Oops sorry didn't realise Giardia was a Protozoan. Really hope the cause of his bottom issues are found.

Team Svartalfheims · « **Reply #139 on:** March 16, 2009, 16:52:45 PM »

Yes we've got a dust mite and maize allergy here! Have PM'd you

I must admit I did laugh when I saw that York test for allergies to human dander. What on earth do you do if your pet is allergic to you? Do you have to Petal Cleanse yourself I wonder

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #138 on:** March 16, 2009, 16:43:27 PM »

He didn't specifically mention Giardia but he did say they were no signs of protozoan parasites, which Giardia is. It wasn't the 'normal' vet, when you have any tests you have to ring up at a certain time and speak with any vet who is on duty. The vet who saw the boys together and gave the metronidazole was VERY thorough (he's one of the partners) so if the results come back negative for camplobacteria (sp?) I'll try and speak with him specifically.

Den · « **Reply #137 on:** March 16, 2009, 16:37:44 PM »

Helen has your vet test for giardia? That causes diarrhea .. which is either accute, intermittent or chronic. Appetite isn't affected and there aren't really any other symptoms of it. It is really hard to diagnose because it doesn't show up in all stool samples and it needs to actively be looked for and even then can be easy to miss.

It probably sounds a bit better than him having an allergy.

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #136 on:** March 16, 2009, 16:31:01 PM »

Lottie, have you had one of yours tested then?

Team Svartalfheims · « **Reply #135 on:** March 16, 2009, 16:26:28 PM »

No it's just a blood sample. Costs about £450 to have the full panel of environmental and food allergies done but Axa will cover it (as Halifax are underwritten by Axa and they covered it) http://www.animal-allergy.com/html/pet-owners/

You get a full report back of everything they tested for allergies and intolerances to (IgE scores indicate a true food allergy and IgG scores indicate an intolerance) and a score of between 0 and 5 to how allergic/intolerant to the substance.

The full allergy panel tests for all sorts of tree, shrub, weeds and grass pollens, human dander, dust mites, storage mites, moulds, fleas and various meats, fishes and other food stuffs like milk, wheat, soybean, corn etc

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #134 on:** March 16, 2009, 16:18:56 PM »

Do you know how that works then Lottie? With human allergies don't they have to be exposed to the allergen via a skin prick test?

Team Svartalfheims · « **Reply #133 on:** March 16, 2009, 16:15:28 PM »

You could always get the allergy tests done even if just to rule it out as the insurance will cover it. It's just a blood sample that gets sent off to York and you get results back in a few weeks.

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #132 on:** March 16, 2009, 16:10:52 PM »

Hmmn, just had the results back...

The test for worm eggs and protozoa (parasites) has come back negative, as has the test for salmonella. The test for camplobacteria (sp?) takes longer to culture so won't find that out til Thursday but the vet was suggesting he might have a food allergy.

I'm finding that really hard to believe as they have eaten the same food (with no problems whatsoever) for 18 months and also the fact that in the middle of Riley's diarrhoea Lu had diarrhoea too which surely suggests some sort of infection? He said that food allergies can develop at any time and that the fact they've been fine for 18 months means nothing

He was saying that I should think about changing his food (even though he's been fine for over a week now) but as I said to him they're on pretty much the best food for dodgy tummies now - no grain, high quality etc. I'll obviously wait til Thursday to see about the camplobacteria (sp?) but to say I'm not a believer is an understatement!

Janeyk · « **Reply #131 on:** March 15, 2009, 23:22:00 PM »

good luck for tomorrow xx

Christine (Blip) · « **Reply #130 on:** March 15, 2009, 12:37:16 PM »

'Just one of those things', maybe

Rosella moggy · « **Reply #129 on:** March 14, 2009, 21:22:15 PM »

Long may the absence of runny bottoms continue

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #128 on:** March 14, 2009, 16:20:53 PM »

Well the last runny poo sample was collected on Sunday before taking it to the vets on Monday... Since then there has been nothing but completely normal poos in the tray

Rang the vets yesterday but the results weren't back so will have to ring on Monday but the main thing is that Riley runny bottom doesn't have a runny bottom any more

Rosella moggy · « **Reply #127 on:** March 14, 2009, 10:45:17 AM »

How are they doing Helen? Is everything OK now?

Liz · « **Reply #126 on:** March 11, 2009, 14:01:39 PM »

Get another 41 and try and figure out who isn't solid!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rosella moggy · « **Reply #125 on:** March 11, 2009, 12:00:33 PM »

Cure for hypochondria (if that's what it is

)...... get another 4 cats Helen. I got not time to worry about their health anymore. Do nothing but scoop poo and no idea whose is whose

Janeyk · « **Reply #124 on:** March 11, 2009, 10:35:53 AM »

Blimey what a tangled web

good luck sorting this out Helen

clarenmax · « **Reply #123 on:** March 11, 2009, 10:25:18 AM »

I was gonna suggest, you need to set up the webcams again but on the trays this time, to see who is doing what

Kirst · « **Reply #122 on:** March 11, 2009, 09:52:31 AM »

Oh dear Helen!! Have you considered CCTV??

swampmaxmum · « **Reply #121 on:** March 10, 2009, 12:52:21 PM »

On loo watch with Lu, (sorry!), poor boy and poor you. May all his deposits be normal. I think sometimes it's just a mystery but hope his tests come back normal

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #120 on:** March 10, 2009, 07:45:42 AM »

OK I think I'm being had here

Bearing in mind that Lu was witnessed leaving a normal deposit at 19:15... another perfectly normal poo was discovered at 07:00, less than 12 hours later and too early to be a second one of Lu's surely?! I think Riley is taking the mick out of me

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #119 on:** March 09, 2009, 19:16:46 PM »

Oh Helen

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #118 on:** March 09, 2009, 19:15:49 PM »

Poo flash Poo flash Poo flash Poo flash Poo flash Poo flash
Litter tray cleaned out earlier this afternoon, one normal-ish looking poo extracted (presumed whis was Lu's). Have just heard scraping so waited with scoop in hand to see Lu pop out of a previously empty litter tray and on scooping discovered.... a poo! So.... was the 'normal-ish' poo from earlier on indeed Riley's?

Is he trying to make me out to have a severe case of hypochondria?

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #117 on:** March 09, 2009, 19:12:43 PM »

Think thats a good idea Helen cos lacto B will not do any harm, but could clear up a problem if the right bacteria have gone downhill for any reason.

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #116 on:** March 09, 2009, 19:08:52 PM »

I need to see what the results of the test are before self-treating it but if it comes back negative for anything that needs to be treated with anti-B's then I'm going to ask about probiotics.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #115 on:** March 09, 2009, 18:55:21 PM »

I think maybe a time on lacto b may be worth trying, it takes a while if they are very bad like Franta was but we are nearly there now.

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #114 on:** March 09, 2009, 18:52:10 PM »

Nope, nothing. The garden is catproofed so no other cats could have passed anything on, there's no standing water or nasty plants - it really is a mystery

Apart from having poo-ey feet on occasion (why do they have to tread in it?!) Riley is his normal self. The lady I spoke with this afternoon said to ring on Friday but the results might not be back as I think the last post was probably missed today as I didn't return her call til gone 5. She asked if I wanted her to price it up, I said I was insured but out of interest how much was it - £52 which is much better than expected.

Janeyk · « **Reply #113 on:** March 09, 2009, 18:42:45 PM »

Sometimes it can still be a mystery if things are affecting a few hours or days after, best of luck with this xx

Christine (Blip) · « **Reply #112 on:** March 09, 2009, 18:40:02 PM »

Is there nothing at all that links Riley's diarrhoea days? Even some external factor not to do with food?

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #111 on:** March 09, 2009, 18:26:51 PM »

3 days of semi solid faeces have been squashed into a bottle and taken to the vets

About 4 or 5 days after I collected the bottle he still hadn't had diarrhoea again so I rang the vets to let them know he didn't need a sample testing. When it came back I rang again saying that I was going to start the collection after all but they obviously hadn't written this on his notes. I dropped the bottle off at the crack of dawn this morning and it wasn't til late this afternoon that they rang to say did I want it testing as there was a note on his files saying I wasn't going to have it done. I can't think of any other reason for dissecting semi solid lumps of diaorrhea and cramming them in the same bottle before taking it to the vets can you?

Have been keeping a poo diary too, I'm glad I started this thread now as I can go back to see what happened when. It's really sporadic and there doesn't seem to be any logic to it

A couple of times in the last few days I've seen Lu coming out of a tray and on cleaning it was empty apart from one normal poo so I know he is definitely still OK which is one good thing.

February

11th – 4/5 days ago soft motions (not diarrhoea) but not known which cat. Late PM Riley had diarrhoea x 5 in tray. Still happy, alert, playful, eating etc

12th – Riley to vets – Steroid jab & pro-kolin

13th – OK

14th – OK

15th – Late PM Riley diarrhoea x 4 in bed, tent and tray - Lu sick then diarrhoea x 1 in tray

16th – Both cats to vets – Metronidazole for 5 days

17th – OK

18th – OK

19th – OK

20th – OK

21st – OK

22nd – OK

23rd – OK

24th – OK

25th – OK

26th – All fine two normal poos in tray AM. When got home PM diarrhoea x 2 in tray

27th- Collected sample bottle

28th – OK

1st – OK

2nd – OK

3rd – OK

4th – OK

5th – Riley diarrhoea x 3 in tray- sample taken

6th – Diarrhoea in tray - sample taken

7th – Diarrhoea in tray - Lu definitely OK - sample taken

8th – Diarrhoea in tray AM, Soft motion in tray PM – Lu definitely OK - sample taken

9th – Sample to vets

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #110 on:** March 05, 2009, 20:40:32 PM »

Its miserable isnt it cos Franta is worse at moment and Susanne has just posted it sometimes get worse before getting betterr and the Lacto B can take 3 days to work......was hoping for a quicker miricle.

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