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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2008, 07:58:59 AM »
Fingers crossed it does go away, and if he can tolerate being an indoor only cat, he wont need the FeLV part
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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2008, 00:17:45 AM »
alot of foreign vets give vaccinations in the top of the thigh so that if a cancer develops the leg can be removed.
FeLV has been known to cause this cancer, this is one of the reasons i dont have that vaccination done

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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2008, 19:22:54 PM »
A cattery will accept him with flu and enteritis vaccination, you dont need felv to board him, so personally i would drop that part of his boosters as its normally that which causes the problems.
Felv/rabies vax are supposed to go in the hind leg so you can amputate it if theres any problems! Lump removal in the scruff is more difficult to heal due to movement.

I hope the lump goes down soon  :hug:


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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2008, 18:44:47 PM »
I'm fairly certain it's the same location - it was definitely near to there. Plus it was the same vet that administered the last injection, so I would expect him to know where he usually sites it. The notes made from the last 2 visits were very good, so hopefully he will make a good record of today's visit including the forgotten one. I suppose we just have to wait and see what happens, but there'll certainly be some serious consideration regarding future boosters. I thought I was doing the reaponsible thing making sure he had all the treatments, but this experience has been a real eye opener.

I hope your little furry friend's OK!  :hug:

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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2008, 18:32:08 PM »
that is way out of line and slapdash. Can you find a better vet for another opinion? Hopefully all will be well in 4 weeks but if not, you need to think about who does the biopsy and op as in the very unlikely event that it is a fibrosarcoma, they need to know how to do it. More surrounding tissue gets taken out than removal of an ordinary lump. By the way, are you sure that it was where he had the leukaemia jab that he has the lump?
Hope it's just an inflammation and goes away asap.

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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2008, 18:00:40 PM »
I've just got back from the vets. I showed him the lump and he checked it was separate from his microchip, which it is. I asked if it could be related to the booster because this had happened before, and when he looked back through the records it hadn't been added! I told him exactly when it was and that his first and second kitten injections had been administered by different vets (at the same surgery) and on different locations on his body. The guy looked shocked and said he had never known anyone inject into the rear thigh. This may be the case, but I saw it with my own eyes, and the a missing consultation from his notes is not acceptable. He could see I was serious and as a result we paid a much reduced fee.

The lump is not in the skin layer he said it was quite deep in the tissue. He has suggested seeing what happens in the next 4 weeks, and if it is still there he will do a biopsy and remove it. Everything is crossed for its speedy disappearance.  :thanks:

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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2008, 15:10:54 PM »
yes that's right, fibrosarcoma lumps don't go away. That's not very long yet, I'll bet it just gets smaller over the next couple of weeks.


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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2008, 14:55:48 PM »
:thanks: swampy - I have read about your cat on your thread, so thanks for taking the time to respond. :hug:

I found another website http://www.2ndchance.info/fibrosarcoma.htm that gives almost identical information to your last post. I'm rather disappointed the vet never advised about all this in the first place, as it happened with his kitten injections and they placed them in 2 different sites. So, like you say, it is likely this will happen everytime in which case I should see exactly which vaccinations are 'mandatory' for he who will now be an indoor cat ... unless he starts to climb the walls and I reconsider or look into catproofing the garden. I already have the flyscreens, so he can't escape through the windows and they're excellent.

I think it was Thursday night when I found the lump, so that's 5 days now, so that's 14 days after the booster. It's possible it could have been there longer, but he does get played with and fussed a lot, so I think I would have noticed. It feels the same size after 5 days, but it's so hard to feel it properly between the shoulder blades and it's quite near to his microchip. I will see how it goes at the vet tonight, but I may reconsider another vet as there is little consistency between the 3 that rotate between day/evening shifts.

Can I just check one thing with you? If the lump goes away like last time, does that mean it's not fibrosarcoma? Sorry for being :doh:

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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2008, 14:24:56 PM »
I can just pass on the info I was given when Swampy had to have a lump removed after a rabies jab in 2005. It didn't go down after 2 months, it felt fibrous so I was terrified of fibrosarcoma. He had it removed and the lab report was "benign, but watch the site, don't inject there again". At the time I had long email correspondence with 2 of the UK and EU's best cancer specialists who told me that
- only vaccinate if the benefit outweighs the risks (outdoor cat or in contact with outdoor cats: leukaemia risk) or the law requires it (eg rabies) and vaccinate in the leg and in a different site each time (and keep a note of where);
- use the vaccines that only have to be repeated every 3 years if possible (rabies); (for the others you could always try to measure the antibody titration in the blood to see if there was still some protection I suppose);
- the vaccines that cause fibrosarcoma tend to be those against rabies and leukaemia; not the flu ones
- it's the adjuvant in the vaccine (aluminium which is put in to trigger an immune response) that causes it
- wait and see a reasonable time if the lump goes down as very often they do and no further action is necessary - or the lump may become less suspicious so the op to remove it is an ordinary lumpectomy (which Swamp had) not the bigger op required if they think it's fibrosarcoma;
- if a cat has had a lump once as a response to a vaccine, that cat is predisposed to getting other lumps in future if vaccinated. (EU specialist favours using different sites for ordinary injections in lump-predisposed cats);
- the fine needle biopsies are not totally accurate. (Swampy had one and an ultrasound, both of which did reassure the surgeon though)
- if you do vaccinate, choose a site where lump removal can be done fairly easily ie best to avoid between the shoulder blades. That is why the advice - as you know as you had it done - is to do it in the leg (although that is a totally gruesome thought isn't it, but the cat would survive).

If you are really worried and want a specialist referral, I would highly recommend Davies in Hertfordshire. Their head oncologist was so very kind to me and I wasn't even his client nor Swampy his patient at the time.  You are not worrying about nothing, I know how desperate I was that it may be fibrosarcoma, especially as the lump felt fibrous. Cats get a lot of benign lumps as a result of vaccines. I really hope the lump just goes down - Swampy had to have another rabies one (in the leg) btw and another little lump grew and it DID go down. How long has he had the lump for?
All the very, very best and try not to worry too much  :hug:

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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2008, 11:47:44 AM »
do discuss it with your vet, ours has said he won't need flu again because he is a flu carrier anyway and because the garden is catproofed she ruled out something else - enteritus (sp?) is the only thing she is concerned about because she says you can bring it in on shoes and stuff but says the vaccine last three years in reality so annual is not necessary

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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2008, 11:43:41 AM »
I've not had that with him. You thought they would have advised non-annual when it happened as a kitten. He's recently become an indoor cat and I was wondering if he needed so many things when he's no longer in contact with other cats. I think I ought to discuss this with the vet, but the cattery might not take him without up to date boosters! :doh:

Did you vet do a biopsy on any of the lumps?

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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2008, 11:38:19 AM »
the lump comes up the same or next day with Oscar, it also brings out flu like symptoms

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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2008, 11:37:30 AM »
Hi DawnF - what do you mean by bad reactions? The lumps usually appear within about 2 weeks after the vaccination, but he otherwise seems OK. What sort of reactions has yours had?  :thanks:

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Re: Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2008, 11:30:40 AM »
my cat has bad reactions to vaccines - our vet has advised to only vaccinate every three years

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Vaccinations and lumps
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2008, 11:15:51 AM »
My male neutered cat (approx 2.5 years) has just had a reaction for the second time to a vaccination. The first time was at 12 weeks when the injection site was his leg, and this second one is at the injection site was the scruff of his neck. His vaccination is for either 3 or 4 things (flu, leukemia, ?, ?), but I don't have hic card with me.

The first time this happened I took him back and they said it would go down, which it did. So, thinking I was being a hyperchondriac, I was going to cancel the appointment, but I have been reading up on the internet this morning and it could be fibrosarcoma. For example, http://www.cathealth.com/FSA.htm

He’s off to the vet tonight, but I would welcome any advice.

 


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