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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #75 on: December 10, 2008, 18:58:31 PM »
Kittens dont need as long as adults to be introduced to one another IMO. My concern for this one is a) shes torti  :evillaugh: and b) shes going to be feral after her first 4.5 months being spent outside. Because of that i would suggest a dog crate to start with, shes going to need some really intense socialising!!
If shes loose in the house too soon her socialising will be set back greatly, you need lots of one to one in a small area.
Being a street urchin she could be carrying undesirable problems, not just the obvious flu but stomach issues such as campylobacter, you dont want that  :evillaugh:  :sick:


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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #74 on: December 10, 2008, 17:45:26 PM »
Good news, especially because its cold and raining :scared: - Nice lady bagged the moggy so should get to meet her about 9pm tonight.

By the time we get back it will be v late so will post something tommorrow. 

Good night & :thanks:
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PS. Cat Locator (Not UK version - Loc8tor) turned up today. Its supposed to be good for upto 1 mile clear line of sight. I'll strap it to the wife later for Field Trials in residential area and post results  :rofl:

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #73 on: December 10, 2008, 14:52:41 PM »
I agree with others that she needs time to settle before meetings take place. Tan has explained it all exactly how I normally do settling in and intros.

I'm going through the same thing again at the moment with Baby, who arrived a week ago, she had her first vac on Saturday and 2nd one 3weeks, so she will not meet the others until then, by which time they will have got used to her scents, and her theirs.

She's got her own room upstairs, but I spend a lot of time in their with her, and when the others are all downstairs I can shut the door downstairs, so she can then have the run of upstairs for now. Haviing said that, she's had a little explore in some of the other rooms, but more often than not, even when I leave the door to her room open, she remains in there.

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #72 on: December 10, 2008, 14:38:50 PM »
I really hope it all works out and look forward to seeing lots of photos x
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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #71 on: December 10, 2008, 14:26:13 PM »
glad she will spend christmas in the warm

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2008, 14:18:15 PM »
Don't worry, with a bit of DIY, vet trips, timeshare & TLC they will be fine.

At the very worst, if it doesn't work out after a few months then we'll find her another home. In the mean time at least she's off the street, warm, dry & safe.

Besides which I have to put with my OH - Judo's got it too cushy at the moment and needs a woman about the house to make his life a misery as well  :evillaugh:

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #69 on: December 10, 2008, 13:30:02 PM »
Hi Andy

I would be concerned with taking in a little one that is very likely unsocialised. Judo is probably going to feel a bit jealous and put out having to share his home with a new furbaby and if you have got to spend the extra time and effort to socialise the little girl he may feel even more jealous and it could make him accepting her a lot harder.
I have always been extremely lucky introducing new cats and have never had to separate at all,  just provided lots of supervision in case things got really rough.

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2008, 13:20:33 PM »
Hi,

"What is her personality like? Did the rescue tell you much about her?  How long has she been in the rescue?  Did they notice she likes to be indepandant or like other cat company?  Is she a nervious type or outgoing?   Stuff i would have wanted to know to try and match her with my resident cat" Me too! We have no idea - she's still living on the street. The nice lady has been feeding her, put her on website etc, and is going to try & trap her today, take to vets and do paperwork. I'm not sure but I think she works at a "Dog rescue place" and does this in the eve out of kindness. Hopefully should get a call later today. My gut feeling is this is going to be a challenge  :sneaky:

Will keep you posted.

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #67 on: December 10, 2008, 11:37:20 AM »
H And

I would also give it at least 2 weeks for smell swapping with no eye contact esp cause she is used to living on the street and not in a home. She will need time to adjust to the new home 1st before dealing with meeting new cats. 

lol i speak from experience cause i had have a bad introduction and it was cause i rushed things. The effect on the cats was very stressful and upsetting esp to my resident cat Rio. Also have had very good ones but these were with young kittens and a very outgoing adult Gizmo. 

The idea of the scent swapping befopre any contact whatsoever is so the both cats can get used to each others smell and feel good about it so it's good to give treats or play when scent swapping.  As cats use smell alot, this will help giving each a feeling of knowing the other before they meet. If the both cats feel happy with each others smell about and acting normally and happy, then you can try a very brief contact with one in a carrier and see what happens. You need to look at body launuage here to see how they are reacting to each other.

If they see each other and it's a bad start so they are not used to each other smells, it can lead to a bad relationship with them both either fighting or never being companions and belive me that is very upsetting and stressful seeing your resident cat so upset. 

Some intros are very easy i always go slowly to aviod any bad upsets that can happen cause it's hard to correct it and you need to separate and start from step one again.

Some cats will never get on as well so in these cases it if much kinder to rehome one for the sake of them both.


What is her personality like? Did the rescue tell you much about her?  How long has she been in the rescue?  Did they notice she likes to be indepandant or like other cat company?  Is she a nervious type or outgoing?   Stuff i would have wanted to know to try and match her with my resident cat.

Let us know how things go wont ya and we will try and help all we can. I hope things go well and Ju has a wonderful play mate  ;D ;D

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #66 on: December 10, 2008, 07:50:39 AM »
1 week is too early, she needs to adjust to her surroundings and you before she meets another cat, especially with her background.
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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2008, 22:43:48 PM »
hmmm.

I'm not planning on rushing her but at the same time I don't want to keep her locked up for any more time than is necessary. If I keep her locked up for 3 weeks how do I know she was not ready for intros after 1 week?

I was thinking along the lines of lots of brief into's & scent swapping. When both show interest then let them loose to get aquainted?

hmmmm. Theory is perfect in a vacume but in reality Caz & I have 2 weeks off at xmas and I'm hoping to use this time to let them loose and closley monitor thier behaviour under close supervision before we both go back to work in Jan.

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2008, 22:15:44 PM »
if she can settle and be separated in Study then maybe she can have it to herself for about 3 weeks? (until jabs fully cover her)

Sometimes you can be lucky and a cat settle in a couple days flat... like Jasper with Rufus and Oscar, or my Misha and Indy, but other cats take weeks and weeks

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2008, 22:14:48 PM »
She might feel ready to leave the room, but it doesn't mean she will be ready to meet Judo, i would do things a lot slower than from now till weekend. Not 100% sure on vacc's, but I wouldnt take the risk. I know you wouldnt hold it against her, but it is much easier to toilet train and clean up in a small area.
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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2008, 22:02:56 PM »
Hi Desley, that was quick!

1. Will take things at her pace. If she's not ready to venture out of study then she's not ready to meet Judo.
2. Vac's. Her Vacs may not be matured but I am assuming that Judo's are and so should not be a problem - PLS CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
3. Would be nice if she scored in the box first time but wouldnt hold it against her if she missed.  :rofl: Will suck it and see.

Thanks for advice and best regards
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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2008, 21:53:17 PM »
I Would do things a bit more gradually than that Andy, introductions should take weeks, especially as she has been living outside, she should be isolated for 2 weeks in case of anything like cat flu flaring up and she wont be fully vacc'd for another 3 weeks, and also she might not be litter trained, and that is best confined to a small area while training.
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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2008, 21:49:45 PM »
Ok the time has come - Judo's world is about to change  :sick:

As I type he is sitting on me, purring and trying to help me type. It's just as well he can’t read and hasn't a clue about what's about to hit him  :sneaky:

Her name is going to be "Inspector Clouseau". See attached pic. She's the same age, 4.5 months old, neutered and currently living on the street. She was trapped during a local Neutering programme while they were trying to catch her mum. She'll need the same type of initial TLC Judo received. The nice lady is going to catch her tomorrow and take her to vets for jabs & chip before handing over.

The current plan is...
a. Wed PM - Settle in "Study room"
b. Thur All day - Settle in "Study room"
c. If looking confident then, Thur eve - "Put carrier on kitchen table and watch". If mutual interest then restrain both by hand and gentle intro.
d. Fri - repeat "Thursday"
Weekend - play by ear!

Note: If needed I will split the house 50/50, by means of fitting a door.

Apart from scent swapping any other ideas?

Will let you know how it goes & regards
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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #59 on: November 29, 2008, 20:04:19 PM »
oh yeah, forgot to mention that, our two were supposed to stay seperate but Indy got in and introduced himself, after them washing each others faces etc and after Misha went to vets for checkup we were told we may as well let them mix

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2008, 19:36:54 PM »
Yay, Judo gets a friend  ;D

Id pick something similar size and id get a boy, watching my lot the girls like to play but in a different way to the boys, more mature i spose whereas the boys love to act like babies and mess around all the time  :tired:

See if your local rescue can help, word of warning if you take on something you feel sorry for from a undesirable petshop/backyard breeder, isolate the newbie just incase they have anything brewing


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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2008, 18:52:49 PM »
when I got Indy a new friend I just got Misha, 'free to good home'... we spent some time playing with him at their house and found he was friendly and calm

Introducing: Misha was in a large dog crate with a hidey bed, litter tray (no food at intro to avoid jelousy) and Indy got to walk around the crate and inspect him... all supervised of course. Misha hid in the hidey bed, Indy was fascinated

Next day: both cats let out supervised in a shut room, a fair amount of sniffing, bopping (no claws) and the odd hiss or growl

we got Misha on Weds... Saturday (today) they are playing together, sleeping near each other for naps and sharing food bowl and sharing mousy-onna-string. They are still being separated for main meals and when not supervised but I home in another week that they will be fine together. Misha has already found himself  *his* bed (the hamoc part of the scratching tree) and Indy has his platform above it.

btw: Indy
Age: 8 Months
Sex: Male (neutered)
Weight: 4.5kg

Misha
Age: 11 weeks
Sex: Male
Weight: 1.5kg

by choice we would have gotten a slightly older/bigger companion for Indy but he is so careful with little Misha
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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2008, 09:21:57 AM »
Ok, to cut a long story short "I win"  :sneaky:

HOW DO YOU CHOOSE THE RIGHT CAT FOR JUDO?
Age: 5 Months
Sex: Male
Weight: 3.1kg
Temprement:
      1. If only me & OH in the house = Happy, friendly, relaxed, playfull and affectionate.
      2. If anyone else in the house = he hides.

Is there any other info to concider?

Thanks & regards
Andy
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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2008, 07:18:58 AM »
Do you know another cat he can 'visit' with?  My kitty Spook is an only cat, but I often take her over to spend a few days with my mum, and she plays with Zan, my mum's cat. The first visit they were stand-offish, but Spook has swiftly established herself as the dominant cat, despite being half Zan's size.  She thinks she owns the house, and has demonstrated this by chasing Zan out the cat-door and refusing to let him back in. (Spook is an inside cat herself, and only allowed to go outside when I'm with her).

In my experience, neutered male cats tend to like being around female cats, and ours have always settled into friendships pretty fast. Usually, the females seem to be boss cat. The one exception would be one case where my mum got two kittens, Zan and his sister Kirri, and her pre-existing cat 'Little Cat' imediately moved in with the neighbour (who already had two cats anyway). Friendships tend to last a lifetime, and early behaviour patterns often perpetuate. Zan used to suck on Kirri's paws, as a kitten, and continued all her life. My childhood cat Chocolate was a scruffy kitten, and my sister's cat would jump on him, hold him down and wash him - behaviour that continued until they were rehomed separately when we left the country.

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #54 on: November 28, 2008, 13:24:30 PM »
totally understand with me and my oh its the other way around - I'm often tempted to add to the brood but he won't risk upsetting the applecart!

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #53 on: November 28, 2008, 13:01:26 PM »
She loves cats as well. It’s just that we are both very concerned about Judo and there is a difference of opinion. She is risk averse and doesn’t want to risk destabilising him, I take more risks and want him to have a healthy balanced life.

What a conundrum  :Crazy:

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #52 on: November 28, 2008, 08:48:37 AM »
one of mine would love to be an only cat, she likes to eat alone and has the conservatory as her room and thinks playing with other cats is just stupid, two of them would go mad if they were only cats, they love each others company and sleep together, clean each other and play together, my forth cat likes his own company sometimes but likes a game sometimes and if its cold will sneak in between the two girls for a bit of heat - they really are all different but if your wife is against it not sure what you can do to change her mind??

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2008, 20:26:56 PM »
Hi, I've been on "www.justanswer.com" to try and get some more information from Vets/Psychologists/Behaviourists etc. Got 2 responses from behaviourists. What do you guys & girls think?

Response 1. Dear Andy, I understand what you are saying and thinking. In my opinion Judo does not care if he ever sees another cat. He is happy just the way things are. However, after a period of adjustment he WILL welcome the newbie and will benefit from having a pal. So the choice is more yours. Its a question of if you wish to put up with a second cat or not because Judo does not really care either way. Its just the way cats are as a species. They can take or leave another kitty.

Response 2. Hi Andy, Terri is spot on with this one...Your resident likely will not care either way, but he can benefit from a friend. However, they may never be pals and follow each other around, they usually don't do that, so if that is your goal, it may not happen. But, just having the company of another cat may well calm his anxiety a bit. It will stress him out at first though, making him a bit more dependant on you for the time being. In short, adopting another kitty can help, but not in such a way that it is a substitute for human companionship. I am all for having multiple cats, especially when they are kittens so they can play with each other and stay out of trouble. Hope that helps! Reani

As always, thanks & regards
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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2008, 19:44:32 PM »
Kittens bond very quickly and generally stay mates through adulthood, apart from milly the matron my lot have bonded and benefit alot from having pals about


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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #49 on: November 26, 2008, 20:40:02 PM »
I feel like banging my head against a brick wall.

We both left the house at 07:15 and returned at 19:00. That's 12 hours on his own. I'll be going to bed in 30 minutes so he has had all of 3 hours company today. If I go to the loo or have a cigarette then he sits by the door and meows his head off.

OH is adamant that a second cat will rock his world and destabilise him, and that by the time he has adjusted to a new cat he will have grown past kitten hood/playing with other cats so its a waste of time and unnecessary risk.

Does anyone know a really good "professional" cat Psychologist that they would recommend? I would gladly pay good money to several of these people, get a coconscious of opinion and resolve this debate ASAP

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2008, 19:32:04 PM »
Bartok cest un beau chat!  :Luv:

Sorry my french is a little rusty.... :-[



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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2008, 19:28:09 PM »
Fab pic, no wonder he doesnt want to go out!! Looks like you give him an amazing environment  ;D


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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2008, 22:00:22 PM »
awww what a sweetie that customised shelf looks great fun! I want one

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2008, 21:47:18 PM »
Hey, Hannikat Bella could be Judo’s lost sister  ;D

Bella is extremely gorgeous  :shy:

In the absence of any further useful chat here is some more gratuitous cat porn  :sneaky:

Good night & love you all,

Andy, Judo & Caz too!
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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2008, 11:47:02 AM »
Awwwwww just found this thread. Juno is beautiful! His marking remind me of Bella. She has little white bits too  :Luv2:



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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2008, 11:29:59 AM »
Yeah I have really, just got to convince OH now  :shify:

Here is a link to "Bartoc": http://www.secondechance.org/animal/show/id/12228

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2008, 09:54:35 AM »
Andy, you sound like the purfect parent for any cat and I'm sure Judo will relish having a playmate around for when you and your OH are working.  He's at a young enough age where introductions should go fairly easily and he looks such a sweetheart  :Luv:  :Luv:  I'm sure whatever you decide, you will do whatever is best for all concerned  :hug:

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2008, 09:28:50 AM »
sounds like you might have decided!!!!

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2008, 09:25:23 AM »
Transport costs aren’t an issue. This time I’m going to drive him back, its about 18 hours in the car but when we brought Giz over it was 18 hours in total and she had to go in the hold of a noisy aeroplane. She was totally freaked out and she hid in a wardrobe for days after that. In terms of cost, her ticket was twice as much mine!

We could wait 6 months but there is also talk of possible contract extension until end of 2009 which means a year in solitary for him.

In the meantime I know of another young buy (1 or 2 years old) who has been in the home for at least the last 2 months, has also had a **** start in life and could do with a good home.

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2008, 19:22:28 PM »
you could always get another cat! :wow: :evillaugh: :evillaugh:

But I would wait till you move, like I suggested ... Six months is not a long time, and think of the money you will save on transportation costs - I am dreading finding out how much my lot will cost to take back to the colonies! :scared:

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2008, 19:17:22 PM »
As long as hes happy indoors really dont worry yourself. If he was climbing the walls for freedom then you would be right to be concerned but he sounds perfectly content indoors where he feels safe.
His only knowledge of the outdoors is of being homeless, hungry and cold so why would he want to go out to that?


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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2008, 22:09:12 PM »
Hi Blackcat & Millys Mum,

Thank you for your advice and opinions. I appreciate your input.

You know, I'm sure he can read. This is the first night ever that he has stayed on his own. He has slept on his climbing frame all evening!

My main concern is that I don’t want him to get lonely during the day. My other big concern is that he is missing out an important part of his life. It just feels wrong to keep a cat locked up in solitary confinement for the long term, even if it is for his own good and he shows no inclination or real desire to venture outside.

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Re: Advice on rescued kitten please
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2008, 19:48:27 PM »
Everything you are describing is normal cat behaviour. When I lived in Tassie, if I was off work sick, my cats worked out a roster so I was never alone. When I get home here, the dog has to wait for the cats to charge through the door to greet me, so he can get a look in also. Cats are solitary creatures, but they are also affectionate and can live in extensive colonies - there is no one answer that fits all cats in terms of company. If you plan to come back to the UK, why not wait until you move, then any new cat will just be part of the new environment and so possibly less traumatic than one coming onto 'his' territory?

I very rarely have one cat at a time, and then only for short periods, so introducing new cats into households is a regular thing for me. I really don't feel that there is a problem here, unless the furry magnet becomes permanently attached and starts showing serious distress when separated. Doesn't sound like it to me, or you would have pee in the middle of your pillow (trust me, I have had an emotionally dependent cat, and they can be very wearing ...)

Sounds like you are doing fine

 


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