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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1213 on: November 07, 2008, 10:12:46 AM »
yes I plan to try to speak to him today. We had a tricky night as he wouldn't settle. He hadn't poo'd either. His tum's quite swollen. This morning I decreased the steroid to 1 pill. I was meant to increase the fortekor to a whole one but my tired brain tells me to see how it goes on the 1 pred (instead of 1 1/2 he's been having) rather than a double change. He's not eating that well but I think it's his tum not feeling too good.
He has eaten but only about 1/2 what he'd normally have eaten by now. He's had a drink too all by himself. Now we see whether he will want to or remember to pee later on. I'll guide him every 4 hours if no go.
He shakes his head a bit too - I'll bet an MRI would find something in the deep inner ear. I'm hoping he will have a sleep now, they are both rearranging themselves in the igloo and ear-whisker biting as I type.  :hug: xx

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« Reply #1212 on: November 07, 2008, 06:17:47 AM »
Keep an eye on things (as if you wont) and speak to your vet if you are worrying.  Good morning to you all by the way x

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1211 on: November 07, 2008, 02:55:50 AM »
Healing vibes and big  :hug: :hug: :hug: for Swampy.

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1210 on: November 06, 2008, 22:27:45 PM »
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« Reply #1209 on: November 06, 2008, 22:04:27 PM »
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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1208 on: November 06, 2008, 20:01:04 PM »
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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1207 on: November 06, 2008, 19:55:51 PM »
I'm worried as he just has stopped peeing as often as normal or as he has been doing. Up until now the steroids made him need to go every 3 - 3 1/2 hours. This afternoon I took him repeatedly to the tray and he eventually went at 3.30 but he's not been since. He won't drink either. I tried his back skin fold and he doesn't seem to be dehydrated, but I'm scared that all of that is starting to shut down. The vet says that his weight gain is fluid retention so maybe that is confusing him also. He also hasn't eaten as much today, although has eaten. It's a big worry obviously although we do expect trouble, he's been quite good for 2 days.

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1206 on: November 06, 2008, 19:36:32 PM »
Hope the gorgeous Swamps has had an easy day and has a soothing night.  You, Max and OH too Kate.  :hug:

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« Reply #1205 on: November 06, 2008, 09:34:59 AM »
Clever boy Swampy how wonderful.  Enjoy your snoozes throughout the day and stay well  :hug:

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1204 on: November 06, 2008, 09:31:35 AM »
luckily the fireworks weren't too late. Yes, Swampy slept until 4, which is 2 hours more than I thought he would. Then Max woke me by landing on me though  :P
I must have passed out about an hour later as woke to find Swampy leaving the bedside tray with some nice pressies in it for me - found all by himself the brave boy. He's ok this am, not eating much but his tum looks a bit large so I suppose the steroids cause fluid retention. They have just started igloo dwelling so hope they have a nice snooze most of the day in there and big  :hug:  :hug: xx to all. Still didn't manage to speak to the vet as am not sure about the steroids dose, but also what else can I do really.

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« Reply #1203 on: November 06, 2008, 07:46:41 AM »
Morning Swampy and co hope your night was good despite the fireworks. Have a calm day  :hug:

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« Reply #1202 on: November 05, 2008, 22:34:47 PM »
Calm and restful thoughts to you all for a quiet night  :hug:

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1201 on: November 05, 2008, 17:00:21 PM »
Kate do you have any friends who could take it in shifts to stay over with you? 
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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1200 on: November 05, 2008, 16:16:21 PM »
yes in 2 gos just to keep me honest. Tray trip 1 - finished, leaves area then circles madly.....so I put him back near the tray and in he went for another lot. All that at 12.30 I think last night? I watched quite a bit more of Obama's victory than probably necessary, never mind. "where were you when Obama made history?".... "I was helping my beloved boy into his poo tray!".  Oops he is up, must go and rescue him again. Very purry just now. I managed to weigh him and he's put on weight (!!) at 5kgs - I suppose it may be fluid retention from the pred though as he is eating less and the circling is quite a lot of 'exercise' poor lamb.
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I'm starting to stress (breaking my 'one day at a time' rule) about OH going away for a whole week from 16th in case something happens. To be honest, neither of us thought Swampy would make it to then and now of course he may do so. I must I must I must I must think positive  :hug: xx

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1199 on: November 05, 2008, 13:21:56 PM »
snug as a bug in the igloo, sounds wonderful.  Did he poop?

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1198 on: November 05, 2008, 13:18:48 PM »
Hope you have a restful day with Swampy and his appetite picks up  :hug:

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1197 on: November 05, 2008, 12:43:19 PM »
 :hug: everyone. He snoozed from 12.30 - 2.45 so we're all a bit poggle eyed again today. He's dizzy and circling though, so I have to help him or he gets upset. Also eating a bit less than a couple of weeks ago. But once back on the futon or in the igloo, he's still purry and snogging the Max and either sleeping or calmly resting. I must call the vet later with an update, but think he will just say to keep doing what I'm doing. Got my lovely purrs calendar today too xx to all  :hug:

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1196 on: November 05, 2008, 12:26:48 PM »
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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1195 on: November 05, 2008, 12:11:58 PM »
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« Reply #1194 on: November 05, 2008, 09:42:32 AM »
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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1193 on: November 05, 2008, 09:20:39 AM »
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« Reply #1192 on: November 05, 2008, 07:40:00 AM »
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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1191 on: November 05, 2008, 07:38:31 AM »
Morning Kate.  Sending hugs to you and Swampy this morning   :hug: :hug:

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« Reply #1190 on: November 05, 2008, 06:58:05 AM »
glad he's had a sleepy and not too bad a day x
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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1189 on: November 05, 2008, 00:21:25 AM »
he's been sleepy today. Quite purry when awake, but circling of course when he gets up.  It could be a long night as it's past midnight and no poo tray visit as yet. hope you all have a good one anyhow  :hug:  :hug:

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1188 on: November 04, 2008, 23:30:28 PM »
Topping up the hugs and vibes for Swampy and hoping he has a good night.  How's he been today?

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« Reply #1187 on: November 04, 2008, 20:56:30 PM »
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« Reply #1186 on: November 04, 2008, 20:41:23 PM »
How's the lovely boy been today Kate?  Well as can be and happy I hope.  Sending you wishes for a peaceful night :hug:

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1185 on: November 04, 2008, 11:53:49 AM »
Where about are you Swampymum???



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« Reply #1184 on: November 04, 2008, 11:43:37 AM »
Glad your night wasn't too bad, hope all is well in the Swampy camp today?

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1183 on: November 04, 2008, 10:11:36 AM »
Gill that sounds horrendous, I am so sorry.  My vet said that the only way to know exactly what's wrong with Swampy is an MRI, but no there isn't one near here (unless the private human hospital does them for pets, which I doubt) so it would involve a long car trip as well as GA or major sedative and he and we doubt that Swampy would survive it, so we decided not to do it and to give him palliative care instead. He said he would have insisted if Swampy were years younger, where scans, curative surgery etc are options. Swampy's being treated with as much non surgical vet treatment as possible and has the only meds possible (corticosteroids, vivitonin). He will just have to keep taking them for as long as he can tolerate the steroids and that they continue to work.

Last night's poo visit was at 9.30 so we had a quieter night between 12.30 until 4am. Managed to persuade little Max that the igloo was just the place to sleep (normally he lies next to me), so Swampa joined him in there until 4 and afterwards again until 5 when the meds start. They did their snogging routine and were so very sweet.  :hug:  :hug: xx


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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1182 on: November 04, 2008, 08:43:54 AM »
My vets do MRI scans - they have a unit come once a month - I am sure your vet could arrange a scan - would be pricey -

Bearing in mind I am in Birmingham (not sure where Swampy boo is) - my vets is Manor Vets. Web site is being redesigned at the mo. but I can send the number is you wish.

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1181 on: November 03, 2008, 22:06:56 PM »
I would like to add one thing to that article  and that is in humans and I dont know about cats, the hairs that they talk about in the ears have little crystals on, its these that transmit the signal to the brain.

I had , they say, a virus which killed the hairs and the crystals became free and got into the wrong part of the ear and caused my balance to go. If I had had treatment with 2 weeks of becoming ill, I should have become instantly better again  but because I could not get anyone to believe it was an ear problem I was only seen by neuro 6 months later and had MRI. Nothing showed in the MRI that would cause this,  except  a minor bleed which they think was caused by a minor stroke at some time but should not have affected my balance.

I desperation I went private and saw an ear consultant and he saw the MRI scan and other test results and told me about the hairs and the crystals that transmit to the brain in which positioin you are etc.

The treatment I should have had very quickly was an Epley Manouvre but as I had it over a year from being ill, I was told that it may not work and if it did, it could take many years because the brain is very to learn that I was unbalanced but it now has to relearn that I am balanced and that is not quick so long after. My age may also be against me. They did a balance test after wards and the treatment had worked!

Its now 5 and half years on since being ill and one year less since having treatment and I can walk straight now and drive, but bending down and back up quickly can make me fall over. If I get knocked unexpectedly , I will fall over. I am so much better than I was but the changes have been slow to happen, so slow I didnt notice.  I am not safe among crowds and cant balance at all on a train or a bus and I use a stick outside my garden.

The classic test for a human is to close your eyes and stand with your arms out horizintal to your body and I would fall left.....dont do this unless you have someone to catch you! The other one is the drunk driver test , walking heel to toe on a straight line.......I can do this sometimes now but used to just fall. Another is to be sitting down with eyes closed and try to touch the end of your nose with your index finger alternately with each hand. Obviously you cant test any of this with a cat and because an ear problem is not one that can be visiably seen but by being blind, this would bring on every symptom.

Sorry to hijack this but without an MRI scan, I dont think its possible to rule out an ear problem but I would imagine in a cat one cannot help it either, especially in a blind cat. Please note that my Gp and 3 neuro specialists were not willing to concede it was my ears, only an ear specialist.......professional jealousy or tunnel vision!!

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« Reply #1180 on: November 03, 2008, 21:35:21 PM »
Special thoughts for you and Swampy (and Max and OH) for a restful calm night  :hug:

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« Reply #1179 on: November 03, 2008, 18:02:18 PM »
this is what he has wrong with him (vestibular disease)  http://www.petstyle.com/cat/health_well_article.aspx?id=365&section=Health%20amp%20Safety

However there is a tiny chance that a brain can learn to compensate for a part of it being damaged - this may only be applicable in a younger cat though.





Possibly as I do know that is the case for humans but rarely when older.
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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1178 on: November 03, 2008, 17:55:41 PM »
not really actually as of course in one of the articles (lots are similar like always on the web) it says that the best outlook is for cats that can see, as they adjust quite well. If he could see, he'd still walk in circles but would find stuff. I think it's when he can't find what he's after that he gets very stressed, so that's why try not to leave him unattended for very long. I do regret not having given Swampy Istin after his accident as the day after the nurse told me he's gone blind. The vet didn't think it would work though to restore sight. But it may have prevented the 2 further little bleeds that may have kicked it all in.
I'm not tormenting myself as what's done is done, but I do wonder what if. (pointless, I know: also Istin made his liver values rise last time so who knows if he could have taken it). But that's why he's now on his 1/2 fortekor, for his bp, as the vet thinks his kidneys will probably outlive him.

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« Reply #1177 on: November 03, 2008, 17:28:57 PM »
haven't read it yet but will after I post and then knowing me, may post again!  Maybe it took a while for the swelling in his brain to go down before the disease kicked in?  Just a thought.

Edited to say - have now read it.  Nothing I can add but good to know it is more distressing for you than him if you know what I mean.  Not that I wish you any distress Kate, the opposite is true but maybe you might feel a little less stressed having read it?  :hug:
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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1176 on: November 03, 2008, 17:21:31 PM »
this is what he has wrong with him (vestibular disease)  http://www.petstyle.com/cat/health_well_article.aspx?id=365&section=Health%20amp%20Safety

for some reason seems to have developed weeks after his head trauma and is unlikely to be anything to do with his ears, but the central kind. So as he is on steroids, we are doing all we can. Vet spoke to us about toxoplasmosis and possibly doing a test, but I can't see how an indoor cat could get it? (for years now, no access to soil even other than possibly a bit brought in on people's feet). I've read a lot and it seems that the consensus is it's more distressing for the owner than the cat (? ?) and that the tight circling probably means it's not a tumour. Not sure that that makes a huge diff at this stage; what I don't understand is why it developed quite a while after his accident though.
Vets, like doctors, admit that they know so little really about the brain. However there is a tiny chance that a brain can learn to compensate for a part of it being damaged - this may only be applicable in a younger cat though.
As this disease seems quite common and is very scary, thought I'd add this link here.



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« Reply #1175 on: November 03, 2008, 14:11:40 PM »
He is such a clever boy.  Hope he has a lovely sunny day

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Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
« Reply #1174 on: November 03, 2008, 14:02:18 PM »
Bless him for making sure his dad knew what was needed! You are both doing such a great job  :hug: to you and Swampy and OH.

 


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