Topic: Tinkle is going to need special prayers (Read 23190 times)

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #35 on:** July 10, 2008, 20:55:13 PM »

Quote from: Teresa Pawcats on July 10, 2008, 20:34:25 PM

but I`m afraid my time is wisely spent providing a high standard of care to my current feline guests,which means forum time is limited.

As is everyone else's who does rescue

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #34 on:** July 10, 2008, 20:52:42 PM »

Sorry to disappoint but this is a little different to the other thread we were "discussing". And this isn't to do with disagreeing with a member, it just got me wondering as to why this mum is being parted from her babies when it's going against everything we as rescues advise when parting mum and kittens. I wouldn't want other "members" looking at this thread and thinking well T has taken the babies away so this must be okay, that's why I wanted to ask why so thank you for answering

Modified to add: We have to remember, other people come on the forum and read these threads, if we drum it into them about taking kittens away younger than 8 weeks, what hope have we got if a rescue has done this with no explanation as to why, I personally would feel like a hyprocrite if I didn't ask the question that I'm sure is on other peoples lips.

Christine (Blip) · « **Reply #33 on:** July 10, 2008, 20:37:55 PM »

I so hope that Tinkle does have sight in at least one eye. And best wishes for her little sisters too.

As to Teresas thoughts on what is best for the mother cat, I believe we all had a discussion a couple of weeks ago during which one rescue member disagreed with another rescue member about what was best for a particular cat. It was felt then that the rescue member at the point of need was best-placed to make the decision and I think we need to apply the same rationale here, please.

Teresa has cross-posted with me, but I wish my post to stand too.

Teresa Pawcats · « **Reply #32 on:** July 10, 2008, 20:34:25 PM »

O dear its seems that some of you are more interested in the ethics of myself and my vet . Such a pity I didnt see this post earlier in the day I could have saved some supposition: but I`m afraid my time is wisely spent providing a high standard of care to my current feline guests,which means forum time is limited.
I normally keep my queens both feral and domestic with their kittens until they are 9 weeks of age for anyone in doubt check over all the old forum threads,they provide dates full stories and usually a little update at rehoming time; I offer a very high standard of care to my rescues and ALWAYS put their needs before my own. My vets are second to none.
After an emergency consultation with my vet yesterday is was decided to spay mother cat immediately and not to return her to the kittens,this decision was based on what both vet and myself judged to be best for both mum and babies given their current state of health.

Hopefully this thread can now get back on track : it is about Tinkle and her condition which you never know may just prove to provide useful information to someone one day.

Desley (booktigger) · « **Reply #31 on:** July 10, 2008, 20:15:30 PM »

Fingers crossed for the specialist, and i hope one eye can be saved. I am sure you are doing the best for mum, you know her and the area.

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #30 on:** July 10, 2008, 18:52:06 PM »

Mum and babies were only caught yesterday so there is no way of knowing without trying, and even if the kittens weren't suckling, whatever literature you read, the advice given is mum and babies should be kept together for 8 weeks. When they are separated too young, this is when behavioural problems can start, I have never ever split mum and babies up unless kittens are at risk from mum

Maybe there are other issues that weren't posted so I may have got it wrong

Millys Mum · « **Reply #29 on:** July 10, 2008, 18:28:52 PM »

Maybe the mum doesnt have any milk left so spaying isnt an issue, im sure teresa wouldnt have sent her if there was any question on her safety.
She could also be of those types who wouldnt cope with being caged for a few weeks, the type you say you spay and release instead of keeping whilst they rear another litter.

Best wishes for Tinkle, i hope she can regain some sight in the one eye

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #28 on:** July 10, 2008, 14:39:42 PM »

Quote from: Pinkbear (Julie) on July 10, 2008, 14:34:01 PM

I think it depends on the cat and which is the lesser of 2 evils, Dawn. I recall last year trying desparately to rehabilitate a tortie female about 5 months old, and as she was so quiet initially I thought I might be in with a chance. She was so beautiful and we could have rehomed her 3 times over! But she just cowered at the back of the pen day after day and looked so, so depressed. I couldn't get anywhere near her. After a week I realised I wasn't doing her any favours and because she came from a safe area with a very dedicated feeder, she would be better off going back. So I had her spayed and a couple of days later, took her back and released her. I swear I could see her break into a smile when she saw she was home and free, and her little tail lifted and she pranced off into the woods like a princess and never looked back at me.

Sometimes I still think about the week of fear and uncertainty I inflicted on her which she needn't of had. Some you just cannot win and feral mums and kittens are always a tradegy and Teresa knows the area and can spot one that's best off in the wild. Well, just my thoughts...

Yep, that's true but this one hasn't been in that position and the one you're referring to didn't have babies

This one has been caught and taken to the vets, I've dealt enough with ferals to know the ins and outs of the psychological trauma involved but I also know mum's and kittens should be together for minimum 8 weeks if this is at all possible.

Pinkbear (Julie) · « **Reply #27 on:** July 10, 2008, 14:34:01 PM »

I think it depends on the cat and which is the lesser of 2 evils, Dawn. I recall last year trying desparately to rehabilitate a tortie female about 5 months old, and as she was so quiet initially I thought I might be in with a chance. She was so beautiful and we could have rehomed her 3 times over!

But she just cowered at the back of the pen day after day and looked so, so depressed. I couldn't get anywhere near her.

After a week I realised I wasn't doing her any favours and because she came from a safe area with a very dedicated feeder, she would be better off going back. So I had her spayed and a couple of days later, took her back and released her. I swear I could see her break into a smile when she saw she was home and free, and her little tail lifted and she pranced off into the woods like a princess and never looked back at me.

Sometimes I still think about the week of fear and uncertainty I inflicted on her which she needn't of had.

Some you just cannot win and feral mums and kittens are always a tradegy and Teresa knows the area and can spot one that's best off in the wild. Well, just my thoughts...

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #26 on:** July 10, 2008, 14:30:19 PM »

Maybe I'm too soft but I would also be worrying about all the dust, I know ferals are hard to relocate, god knows I have a houseful of them looking for homes, but they love their comforts like any other cat and one day, I'm sure mine will land on their feet and the perfect home will come up. Apart from the above, I'm just not comfortable with the idea of splitting her from her babies when they are so young

Gail Bengal Slave · « **Reply #25 on:** July 10, 2008, 14:24:20 PM »

Quote from: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on July 10, 2008, 13:54:57 PM

It's funny how different vets work, mine won't spay when the mum is lactating and always maintain kittens are better with her until they are at least 8 weeks which I agree with. It seems a shame just to catch her, take her kittens and get her done and release her, she will end up wondering what's happened to her babies if she's been looking after them Isn't there any chance she can remain with her babes for another couple of weeks?

That would be nice if she could - poor girl will wonder what the hell is going on bless - do you think she could become tame and settle in a home?

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #24 on:** July 10, 2008, 13:54:57 PM »

It's funny how different vets work, mine won't spay when the mum is lactating and always maintain kittens are better with her until they are at least 8 weeks which I agree with. It seems a shame just to catch her, take her kittens and get her done and release her, she will end up wondering what's happened to her babies if she's been looking after them

Isn't there any chance she can remain with her babes for another couple of weeks?

Yvonne · « **Reply #23 on:** July 10, 2008, 13:51:43 PM »

Sending my positive vibes to Twinkle and to you

Hoping for some sight in Twinkle's eye.

Gail Bengal Slave · « **Reply #22 on:** July 10, 2008, 13:27:13 PM »

My lovely vet Paul specialises in eyes.

I so hope she gets some site. Shame about Mum - Though ast least she wont have to feed more than her own tum. xxxx

Teresa Pawcats · « **Reply #21 on:** July 10, 2008, 12:28:42 PM »

Rebecca is still waiting for the specialist to contact her,however the condition is not congenital,it has most likely been caused by the swelling due to the dust. There is a tiny bit of hope, Rebecca can see some eye structure within 1 eye that she couldn`t see yesterday, so there is a slight chance we may be able to save it, the other eye is useless. Got drops and cream for now but the drops we really need may be dangerous as they are diuretic so Rebecca is going to ring me after she has spoken to specialist. Vet appointment again tomorrow but at least we have a small ray of hope.
Tinkle has decided that she is going to be a glamour model and began her career with a photo session by the vet

Mum cat is feral , and basic rules where there is a safe feeding ground is Trap- Neuter-Return.

Gail Bengal Slave · « **Reply #20 on:** July 10, 2008, 10:48:04 AM »

Cant mum be put for homing? - why does she have to go back

Thinking about poor Tinkles poorly sore eyes - I so hope she is lucky like Diablo and some site returns xxxxxxx.

forgot to say -they are all beautiful babes.

JackSpratt · « **Reply #19 on:** July 10, 2008, 10:24:01 AM »

Hope something can be done for Tinkles eyes. They're all so sweet.

Gail Bengal Slave · « **Reply #18 on:** July 10, 2008, 09:38:21 AM »

Prayers and positive thoughts going to Tinkle's eyes ................................................................................... to help reduce swelling - pain and give her some sight.

Poor baby

- Thank heaven they are now safe - give them all a snuggle from me here

clarenmax · « **Reply #17 on:** July 10, 2008, 09:10:39 AM »

Keeping fingers and toes crossed xxx

Teresa Pawcats · « **Reply #16 on:** July 10, 2008, 09:06:16 AM »

Quote from: Dawn (DiddyDawn) on July 09, 2008, 23:24:25 PM

Poor Tinkle Will mum be going back with her babies when she's been spayed?

No,as mum will be returned to the factory when she has fully recovered from her spay.Whilst the factory is full of this awful clay/plaster dust Mum has total access to outdoors which is a perfect setting besides 2 canals and in open countryside and workmen who will feed her.

Not poor Tinkle, sad as it is she is lucky as she will now get the treatment she richly deserves,she was dehydrated when we picked her up,a sign that she was not coping,she has eaten well infact better than Lou and Lulu. I noticed a slight red line in Lulus right eye this morning so will be getting that checked out too.
Must admit I will be happier when Rebecca tells me the course of action.

Sabrina (Auferstehen) · « **Reply #15 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:36:55 AM »

Paws and fingers crossed for Tinkle.

Such a sweet looking kitty.

Desley (booktigger) · « **Reply #14 on:** July 10, 2008, 08:04:01 AM »

Aww, the poor baby, fingers crossed for her.

Mark · « **Reply #13 on:** July 09, 2008, 23:47:18 PM »

Poor baby

Lets hope Rebecca can do something for her

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #12 on:** July 09, 2008, 23:24:25 PM »

Poor Tinkle

Will mum be going back with her babies when she's been spayed?

Kirst · « **Reply #11 on:** July 09, 2008, 22:49:03 PM »

Huge hugs and prayers for Tinkle tomorrow.

pappilon · « **Reply #10 on:** July 09, 2008, 22:34:35 PM »

Poor little Tinkle, they are all so sweet, wish her the best .

sheryl · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2008, 21:22:37 PM »

Poor little Tinkle, she is in the best place now T. Love, huggles and positive vibes for Tinkle xxx

Wishing all 3 babies and Mum love and hapiness xxx

Marcia · « **Reply #8 on:** July 09, 2008, 19:24:37 PM »

poor tinkle

i wish her the best at the vets tomorrow

Kittybabe (Ruth) · « **Reply #7 on:** July 09, 2008, 19:19:38 PM »

After receiving some bad news today, reading this has just flipped on the floodgates. Poor baby Tinkle. Wishing all the best for the visit to the vet tomorrow.

I hope that all the babies thrive as they should.

A big cuddle to them all T. x

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #6 on:** July 09, 2008, 19:19:19 PM »

Poor little Tinkle, send lots of good vibes

Pinkbear (Julie) · « **Reply #5 on:** July 09, 2008, 19:14:41 PM »

Oh, poor little mite!

I am so glad she's with you now, Teresa. Imagine her chances if she'd stayed in that place long.

Perhaps it might be an idea to inform the people at the place she came from? There may be something in the atmosphere that could harm people's eyes as well?

Christine (Blip) · « **Reply #4 on:** July 09, 2008, 18:37:57 PM »

My thoughts are with poor little Tinkle. I shall hope for another Paws Inn miracle but at least she will be cared for now.

Millys Mum · « **Reply #3 on:** July 09, 2008, 18:35:59 PM »

Best wishes for little Tinkle

Great names too

Bazsmum · « **Reply #2 on:** July 09, 2008, 18:35:29 PM »

Sending positive vibes for these gorgeous babes and mum cat....they are in the best place now...and good on the workmen taking time to part socialise these young uns!

Best of luck to Tinkle!

Teresa Pawcats · « **Reply #1 on:** July 09, 2008, 18:33:28 PM »

Got an urgent call to trap Feral mum and 3 babies in a toilet factory today,thankfully had husband to help carry trap etc as the place was huge and I struggled to walk so far in the dusty atmosphere. The babies have been handled by the workmen and were asleep so no problem in getting them in basket and luckily mum was in the trap fairly quickly despite needing the use of a fork lift truck. The cats and us were all covered in clay and plaster powder which tasted awful .
We had quite a laugh about it being a Bog standard rescue and came up with 3 appropriate names for the kittens Lou, Lulu and Tinkle and all in all a pleasant and successful afternoon until I noticed poor Tinkles eyes.

We dashed to the vets and Rebecca says Tinkle has Bilateral Glaucoma, her eyes are bulging and she is blind. It is most likely both eyes will be removed but Rebecca is going to do some research tonight before deciding what course of action to take and may decide an eye specialist is best,we will know when we take Tinkle back at 10.30 in the morning.

The babies are just 6 weeks old and we have left mum with the vet for spay.

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