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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2008, 16:11:29 PM »
that's great news Lesley and the piccies let us have a sneak peek at the little ones!  they are all :Luv2:  and mum is just to die for gorgeous :Luv2:

Here's hoping the rest of the babies and mum continue to thrive and do well... of course ...not without the help of you! ;)  :hug:

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2008, 16:05:16 PM »
They are just blobs at that age  :Luv:

I had one who went unexpectantly in my hand, i would have blamed mum for sitting on him had i not been there at the time  :'( you never know if theres some kind of congenital problem you just cant know about  :hug:

Fingers crossed the others continue to thrive  :Luv:


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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2008, 16:01:05 PM »
Ah but I can see a lovely little face peeking out from "the blob"!  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:

Mummy is a doll!  :Luv2:

Good to hear she is fine with the rest of the kittens!  :hug:

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2008, 15:58:16 PM »
Those piccies are  :censored:.  Babies are so hard to photograph, they are just "blobs".  Will try with the proper camera tonight.   :sorry:
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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2008, 15:52:37 PM »
Thanks everyone.  I have come to the conclusion that mum (now called Matilda, one of Ela's choices) must have sensed there was something wrong with the little one, because she has been really good with the other three.  She only leaves them for a short time to eat or use the litter tray and if she does lay awkwardly and a baby squeaks she does move; so fingers crossed everything will be okay.

Some piccies for you to have a look at the new additions.


This one not too good, as they were taken on my mobile.  As you can seem, the intensive care unit gets used even when it doesn't need to be, but mum thinks it is a nice nest.






Matilda having a well earned feed, she eats for England.


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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2008, 15:12:33 PM »
 Lesley, I'm realy sorry to hear this hun :hug:  Don't blame yourself as it most definately wasn't your fault, I went through the same thing with Pop's (herbies) litter and he was the only one to survive after mum killed the rest.

There can be a number of reasons why this happens, including there being something wrong with the kitten, or that mum is very young herself and just doesn't have a clue / no maternal instincts.   You also have to bear in mind as well that she has been through a lot of stress in the intial stages with the kittens and perhaps she felt threatened that something or someone wanted her babies.  Usually though if that is the case they move the rest and leave the weakest or dead kitten behind.

Sometimes mum is just clueless... I went through exactly the same as I said with Herbies litter and hummed and hawed about removing kittens from mum and in the end mum killed 2 of the litter and we took herbie away from her and he is now thriving in his new home.   Sadly, sometimes this is the way that nature turns out.  Keep and eye on mum with the rest of the kittens and if she is continuing to lie on them and not move then it may be an idea to take them from mum.  Even if they don't all survive then at least you know you have tried hun :hug:
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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2008, 20:36:52 PM »
Sorry to hear this Lesley  :hug:  Hope the others will be OK, keep us posted  :hug:

RIP little kitten, safe and sound at the Bridge by now xx

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2008, 20:19:19 PM »
Aw that is so sad!  :(

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2008, 19:56:47 PM »
 :hug: :hug: :hug: I'm so sorry, Lesley. But nothing you could have done.  :(

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2008, 16:55:23 PM »
I agree, where possible kittens should remain with mum.  I had this problem with Abigail's last baby, she kept leaving him on his own constantly, she must have sensed he wasn't right and sadly he didn't survive even when I intervened.  Don't beat yourself up for not handrearing, as this still could have happened.  Fingers crossed for all the other little ones  :hug:  :hug:

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2008, 15:02:59 PM »
Hi Lesley, i am sorry about the little one, but this happened to me when i had my persian cat Persia many years ago, she had 4 kittens and i found her sitting on them and i kept moving her but she would go back and it was the first time i experianced this so i called this lady which was very experianced and she told me to leave her cos she sense there is some thing wrong with her kittens  :( Well i just couldnt  accept it at that time so i managed to save two and handreared them, on few occasion when i came home from work i found the kittens outside and my neighbour told me she saw Persia carry them out and leave them in the bushes, i was so surprised , any how the two kittens never made it to age of one, they were really sick all the time i had them and had to be PTS, and i realized i went against nature, i think some times the cats know some thing that we dont and i agree with Desley  if you had handreared it might have still happened, i am sure she sensed her baby is not well. :(

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2008, 13:23:15 PM »
i am so sorry to hear this Lesley, but she may have sensed something wrong with that baby, so if you had handreared, it might have still happened. I Think putting them with mum was the best thing to do though, it is better for the kitts to have mum's milk and feeding than ours. Fingers crossed for the rest of them. RIP little one.
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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2008, 13:16:14 PM »
Well. some sad news today.  Unfortunately, found mum had squashed and suffocated one of the kittens this morning.  I feel gutted.  If I had handreared them this would not have happened.  Don't know whether to leave the other kittens with mum or take them away.

I feel the baby must have cried, so why didn't she move.  She seems comfortable with the others and I've moved her to a bigger next.  She had chosen my small incubator as her nest so have moved her to the larger one, not switched on and with the door open.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. :thanks:
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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2008, 11:55:08 AM »
Aww, glad to hear she has accepted them.
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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2008, 15:28:20 PM »

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2008, 11:51:20 AM »
brilliant news Lesley, glad you will have managed to get some sleep!!  poor mum she's been through quite an ordeal buit she is obviously feeling more settled and safe to go back to her babie! :)

well done you!   look forward to next update! :hug:
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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2008, 11:18:53 AM »
Fantastic news! and well done

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2008, 08:58:47 AM »
So glad they are with you now Lesley, looking forward to hearing all about them as they grow up  :)

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2008, 04:50:14 AM »
 :sneaky: I'm really pleased for you Lesley  ;)  I think that's fab news, I always think mum is the best for rearing, and I'm pleased that you'll be getting some kip tonight  :hug:  :hug:  Give mum and babies a cuddle for me and I'm glad she's finally settled enough to look after them  :Luv2:  :Luv2:

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2008, 02:53:40 AM »
Thats great Lesley  ;D

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2008, 00:56:01 AM »
I am pleased to announce that when I just went up to feed babies, mum heard them crying and jumped straight into incubator with them and is now cuddled up and feeding them herself.

I will let her settle and look in on them in about an hour but if they seem okay I will go to bed, yippeee.

I'm just glad it confirms that she is the mum, I was getting worried for a while there.  I think she just needed to settle a bit, she has been letting me stroke her and even rolled over for a belly rub.  Her belly did not feel particularly full of milk but hopefully now they are suckling the milk will start flowing better.

Sorry Dawn probably not what you wanted to hear after Socks' episode tonight - hopefully it is just temporary for her. :Luv2:
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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2008, 23:13:56 PM »
Will try  ;D

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2008, 23:04:16 PM »
Thanks Gill, remind me of that again when I'm a zombie a few sleepless nights down the road. :Luv2: :Luv2: and hubby doesn't love me anymore cos he hasn't seen me awake.
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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2008, 22:54:45 PM »
And you of course  ;D

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2008, 22:46:17 PM »
My goodness and thank goodness for the incubator  :hug:

Most definitely.
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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2008, 22:24:18 PM »
bless... they were darn lucky the gent heard them!   poor wee mites! 
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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 22:22:08 PM »
My goodness and thank goodness for the incubator  :hug:

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008, 22:19:40 PM »
I definitely don't think they are much older, umbilical cords still attached and very, very small.

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Re: Another four babies safe and sound
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2008, 22:17:55 PM »
awww Lesley, nice one. Well done in getting them into safety!!

just 24hrs old!  OMG... hope they are OK... all fingers and paws crossed for the little ones!   hope you manage to get some rest tonight!  :hug:
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Just after Dawn found alternative accommodation for the kittens from Derby (about 10 minutes after) got a call from a chap who had found four kittens in his garden and though he had seen mum.

Went round and kittens were just on the ground under a bush.  The guy stated that he only found them because they were crying and was worried as they get foxes in the garden even during the day time.

Was going to get the incubator out of the car as they really wanted me to take babies to safety, when we saw what we thought was mother at the gront garden.  After much toing and froing and a lot of help from very nice neighbours managed to catch "mum" and therefore remove the whole family.

Mum looks very young, is petrified, does not seem to have much milk and shows no interest in kittens at all.  All she wants to do is eat, I have never seen a cat eat so much and so fast, she must be starving.  Although not large her nipples look like they have been suckled but the babies are probably only 24 hours old.

I think she is just terrified of the whole giving birth experience, and just bewildered by it all.

I have her safely ensconced in the study (posh name for the box room) and the kittens are also in there in the incubator.  I don't really want to leave her with them just in a bed in case she tries to harm them and just in case we have made a terrible mistake and it's not mum :-[  So alot of night feeding for me though they are already taking their milk well.  When I last fed them mum looked but even though I put the babies right near her she did not seek them out, but did not hiss at them either.

Hopefully if she calms down she may accept them back.

« Last Edit: June 30, 2008, 16:46:32 PM by Lesley (Eight Lives Left Kitten Rescue) »
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