Peeing (again)

[Gail Bengal Slave]

Well I caught zubin with his bum down last night, he had a nice long wee on the carpet.  .

I shouted at him and didnt speak to him for about half and hour, then he looked at me and I had to cuddle him. Also got rid of the cat tunnel as he had peed on it at some stage.

 I gave him that one last night, as the were many fireworks and they were lighting up the garden so I dismissed that pee. Though I did say to him he deserved to be out there, that was a bit horrid.

Remember my garden is catproofed so they are safe.

[Mark]

Mark if he is that bad take him to the vet to get him checked out (please bring him home). May be the B & B is stressing him out? - you know different people in 'his' house, bringing in different smells. Maybe he is protesting. i read in a cat book that they can do this is protest. Thai pooped on the stairs several time when Zak  & Zubin arrived. She had never done this before.

He is regularly at the vet and I think the problem has a lot to do with the quantity of water he drinks due to CRF.  The fireworks aren't helping at the moment as he keeps going out then running in again when he hears a bang. He isn't too keen on trays so goes to the next best (in his mind) place 

[Mark]

I agree, also the fact that he squats, unlike outside in the garden, the tail goes up & quivers.

[Gillian Harvey]

Clapton does it because Willow does,

but its a behaviourial issue from a cat thats really unhappy.

As I said earlier, cats with CRF often do wee in the wrong place - its not a behavioural issue, I don't believe, in Clapton's case anyway. Cats with CRF feel the urge to wee more often than cats without medical issues, and they can get caught short

[Gail Bengal Slave]

Mark if he is that bad take him to the vet to get him checked out (please bring him home). May be the B & B is stressing him out? - you know different people in 'his' house, bringing in different smells. Maybe he is protesting. i read in a cat book that they can do this is protest. Thai pooped on the stairs several time when Zak  & Zubin arrived. She had never done this before.

[Gail Bengal Slave]

We were out over night and Thai was in the lounge.

I have just smelt the 'areas' and I can smell surgical spirit. I will give it another going over.  Maybe less litter in the tray and changing it every other day. I could smell somthing  :sick:when we walked in but that was in the tray  . All gone and air sprayed and freshened.

I have a spray thingy so I put a bold tablet in there, with warm water to dissolve it gave it a good squib, next day wiped the area with surgical spirit. I'll just see how it goes.
Zubin isn't going anywhere. If it ever got too bad I would call a behaviourist. He's not that bad really. Maybe I love him too much and he knows it.   

[Desley (booktigger)]

MM did a better answer than I could have Liz, as she says, if it was just bad aim, then fine, but these sound like stressed out cats, and the other reason for me saying I think that is the only option is the effect on the cats health, Willow being stressed out enough to spray as much as she is doing can't be doing her any good, and Clapton has early CRF. I also disagree with 4 years being a short time, for the cats sake, I think it has been going on for too long and it is obvious they aren't going to find a happy medium after that length of time.

[lilycat]

But, Mark has the extra problem of the B & B providing his livelihood and to be honest, if Mark can smell it after a couple of hours away, any guests walking through the door for the first time are going to be more than a bit 

If it were me, I'd either get a behaviourist in or rehome - for Willow to be behaving in the way Mark descibes, he's not a happy cat so if a behaviourist can suggest changes which make Willow happier in his environment - fantastic! If behaviourist says Willow will never settle - rehome to somewhere that he can relax and be a happy cat.   

[Millys Mum]

Wood floors wont make Willow happy tho. Clapton does it because Willow does, how long before Kylie joins in!
If it were me and my cats had bad aim but were happy and content id agree with Liz but its a behaviourial issue from a cat thats really unhappy.
Yeah you can pull your carpets up but at whos loss   

[Liz]

Des I thinkyour comment is a bit harsh as you put up with Tom as a foster spraying for a long time to and like most of us you tried all sorts of things but you had him for 14 months before homing to a nice home with all his history of spraying etc.

We do put up with a lot but at the end of the day we live with it and move on

Mine are currently having a poo protest my missing the trays but landing on the plastic as Robin is off shore this weekend and he forget to get their ok on it!!!

I wouldn't rehome any of mine and live with the ones who miss, the ones who hit and the ones that no normal person would touch and they manage to hit the box so whilst we all have opinions I think Mark will work through the issues afterall 4 years is only a short time!!!!

[Desley (booktigger)]

I still believe rehoming Willow is the only option, and yes, I have been in that kind of situation with one of my own (unfortunately, she became ill and died before I Got to speak to the CP lady she came from), and while Tom might have been a  foster, he loved me and I loved him, but knew that I couldn't keep him due to his spraying, it wasn't fair on him, never mind the others.

[Mark]

I will have to do something. Went out for a couple of hours and could really smell when I opened the front door    even though I have been at it with Simple & the shampooer. Its bad enough when its just you smelling it but I also have guests paying to stay - they probably aren't too impressed 

It was definately Clapton as his pee smells different since the CRF (I can tell the ohter cats pee apart too  )

[Liz]

Tiled floors are much easier and a quick vac and mop and its all done, you can see the hiar and pick it up - don't have white tiles though they are a sod with paw prints - in fact I hate the white tiles we have as every mark shows and in the white kitchen we inhereited it can look like an operating theatre if they bring in the kill!!!!

You don't want to rehome so go for tiles and sealed wooden floors they mop to and those steam mops are good on them to

In the end you will do whatever you can to keep the family together so go for tiles and wooden floors - waterproof laminate is great to!!!!

[Mark]

but we have given you so much advice, and there are only 2 options left to you,

None of which I hadn't tried 4 years ago unfortunately. I had feliway etc years ago. I also contacted Celia Haddon. Her bottom line was rehoming if all else fails. No so easy when it's your own cat though 

OH has suggested removing all the carpets and I think that may be the only option. I don't want to lose any of my cats 

[Liz]

Mark just a suggestion get a kitten pen and confine them with litter tray, bed, food and water and try retraining them, we have managed to convert hard ferals this way from outside colony cats to insuide only and did this, its not nice and you feel awful but they then learn where to go - we had some issues with ours and we now have 2 using the bidets and the others the showers and baths but the floors are wee free except kitchen worktop which wipes down but on the whole now are okay and I still when they try my good nature revert to the kitten pen!

When bert went blind he did use the litter tray but went in head first so we were always following him around but we livw with this motley bunch and as such we made the chyoice so mop the floor and move on.

Ours will in fact sleep in the dogs crate in the evening and know when I am on the warpath!

Also we have no carperts apart from the stairs - wood and tiled floors and this means a run around with the mop but much easier and less places for the smell to linger!

Failing that some hard decisions for you and the mob and my heart goes out to you on that.

[Desley (booktigger)]

Mark, I think rehoming is better than letting nature take its course. This is going to sound harsh, but we have given you so much advice, and there are only 2 options left to you, and if you can't/wont do them, there isn't much else we can say or do. I do know how hard it is though, Tom sprayed most of the 14 months he was here, and as his was stress related cystitis, it stopped as soon as he was homed, he just didn't like sharing a house or owner.

[lilycat]

The whole situation must be awful for you Mark  , from the sound of things you're getting fairly close to the end of your tether so maybe it's now either rehoming or behaviourist? I know you've said on previous threads that you're not keen on paying for a behaviourist to tell you something you already know, but as a last resort it might be worth a go?

My vet has given me a referral for Dave to see a behaviourist and when I rang PP to see if I could claim, they said I could as it's a complementary treatment...no excess to pay and treatment cover is up to £750 so I'd basically I wouldn't be paying for anything that I couldn't claim back; so, it may be worth your while to enquire 

At least then if you were only left with rehoming as an option you'd know that you'd tried everything you possibly could and who knows...it might not come to that   

[Angiew]

 

sorry slightly off topic but I've just had to change my bed again as nw foster kitten had somehow got in there - so n=much for me giving advice.

[Mark]

I will get the carpet cleaner out once I have tried removing the scent. Need to put the little teddy bear in the washing machine too, poor bear got a soaking too.

That's the problem I am having. Any other chemicals in the carpet will deactivate the enzymes in the simple solution. Also where I have cleaned repeatedly, there are bad stains on cream carpet. Its a nightmare 

[Mark]

It wouldnt surprise me if living with Willow has tipped Clapton over the edge. It must be hard on normal cats living in a home that smells so strongly to them of wee, Eau De Willow 

Gail, bold would be ok aslong as it says biological, it has strong perfumes too so will make you pleased with your scrubbing.
I think the alternative litter type is also worth a shot.

Clapton isn't spraying, he is squatting and peeing, there is a big difference. He thinks the house is a latrine and he's probably right. I was talking to a nurse friend last night and she said maybe it would be better if nature took its course with him 

[Mark]

I couldn't find clapton and was worried that he was outside with fireworks going off. I eventually found him in the dining room. I checked the carpet and sure enough it was wet  - upstairs was wet today as well. I used a whole bottle of simple and had the carpet cleaner out at 9pm last night. It has become a full time job  I refuse to do it any more. I am sick of it/them  How can I run a B&B with cat p everywhere. I am doing it every day. I am on the go about 14 hours a day (except purrs time)

[Millys Mum]

It wouldnt surprise me if living with Willow has tipped Clapton over the edge. It must be hard on normal cats living in a home that smells so strongly to them of wee, Eau De Willow 

Gail, bold would be ok aslong as it says biological, it has strong perfumes too so will make you pleased with your scrubbing.
I think the alternative litter type is also worth a shot.

[Gail Bengal Slave]

Shouldn't  laugh but he did this once before and it dripped through the cooker hood  . luckily it didnt fuse. 

LOL! - years ago I had a cat that sprayed electrical appliances - I went to use the toaster once and.......well, you can imagine the smell of hot, burning wee 

MMMMMMMMMmm lovely - I prefer strawberry jam on my toast though 

[Gillian Harvey]

Shouldn't  laugh but he did this once before and it dripped through the cooker hood  . luckily it didnt fuse. 

LOL! - years ago I had a cat that sprayed electrical appliances - I went to use the toaster once and.......well, you can imagine the smell of hot, burning wee 

[Gail Bengal Slave]

Will give it go.Will pop to the chemist tonight for surgical spirit.

this morning the kitchen smells........... 

Not sure if it is the teddy bear that caught a lashing, and was in the kitchen waiting to go in the washing machine, or he has peed on top of the cupboard.

Shouldn't  laugh but he did this once before and it dripped through the cooker hood  . luckily it didnt fuse.

So another 2 jobs when I get home - wash where he has peed in the lounge and look on top of the kitchen cupboards for any puddles.
 

[Gillian Harvey]

Gail, you can use the washing tablets, they just crumble and dissolve in the water. I just use half a tablet in a half (ish) bowl of warm water.

You can get surgical spirit from the chemist.

[Desley (booktigger)]

I think it is normally the powder you use, you  mix it with water, but I can't remember the quantities - we might have a sticky about it, and if not, we should have one!! One thing to remember about urinary infections is they dont always go the same way - the other year, I had 3 cats with them at different times, and all 3 times it was a different way, the only way I knew Pebbles had a problem was her wee was very strong smelling, so it is important to get it checked. Another thing you might want to consider is FEliway, in case it is stress related - the spray is supposed to be better for spraying than the diffuser.

[Gail Bengal Slave]

Think I'd rather use the vodka and drink the surgical spirit   . I'll check the bold, I have some bold liquid in the back of the cupboard, haven't got any spirit, will have to sort that part out. but as long as the P. smell goes I dont care.

If I can smell it when opening the door, other people can and Zubin most deffinatly can. I do love him though, he's such a loving boy and I can't be mad at him for long.

[Desley (booktigger)]

Firstly, they still need a vet check, even if it is weeing and not spraying, just to be on the safe side, especially Clapton with having CRF.
It does say on washing powder apparently Gail, but I dont use Bold, so can't check it for you. Any spirit will do, vodka is fine, but if you like vodka, you could use surgical spirit on the carpet, and drink the vodka yourself!!

[Gail Bengal Slave]

Will give the soiled areas a good soaking.

He's NOT spraying he's sitting down and relieving himself. But he does it whlie I'm not about, little devil.  what is a bio washing powder? - will bold do? - also what spirit? Vodka? - sorry being silly there.

I will get the carpet cleaner out once I have tried removing the scent. Need to put the little teddy bear in the washing machine too, poor bear got a soaking too.

[Mark]

I went upstairs to thelanding that hasn't been peed on for over a week. To be on the saf side (I thought) I bought some "Get off" yesterday and sprayed it. The carpet had been peed on today  I think clapton and willow are going to find themselves living in bathrooms 

[Millys Mum]

Gail bio washing powder followed by a spirit is a good method if you find the simple isnt working. Its important to soak right through to the underlay so all of the smell is removed.
You could also offer a tray of very fine litter (like sand) Tesco sell one called sophisticat choice, if he likes it then zooplus sell bigger sacks 

Mark dont give up on cats, you just need to match them up better.

[Mark]

I emptied virtually a whole bottle of Simple solution, including soaking the wallpaer with it. instead of 10 minutes, I hav left it all night and will get the shampooer out in a sec. Its definately a case of relieving himself and not spraying due to volume. I guess they get taken short and he could probably smell previous wee in the area. That area 1st got peed on as the door had been shut the other week and he was taken short. Will just have to see how it goes. Ironically, Willow has stopped spraying at the moment but the carpets are ruined where she did it before.

[bren]

Hi Guys

 I am having a really difficult time with tally she is permanently on steroids for asthma and acne and previously she kept going into my room and weeing on my bed i told her off to no avail thenhad to ban her from my room after three consecutive trips to the dry cleaners with the quilt< she even did it when i was watching she is a very clean cat pure white and partially deaf and has always been an indoor cat i have permanent cat trays with different litters so there is a choice they are cleaned every morning and evening she has recently decided to wee in my presence on the rug and today she crouch and weed on the laminate flooring in the kitchen she doesn't seem to be in any pain the urine looks normal in colour i am at a total loss and would welcome your suggestions?comments< also for something which will  completely remove the smell on cleaning t

[Gail Bengal Slave]

No Des I haven't.

I just think he is doing because............... maybe marking his terrorty as the garden is catproofed and he cant get out. May be he is protesting. He still uses his tray.

It's just so annoying as when I open the lounge door all I can smell is Zubi Pee. If it's wet then I can dab it up and use carpet clean, but if it's dried then it makes it more difficult to find. I have tried black light but it doesnt seem to work.

Is there a real good spray that will get rid of the urine smell, new or old spots to stop him reapplying his scent to the area;dy affected area?.

I do love him so much but I jsut wish he would stop peeing on the carpet. He always gets a GOOD man when he pees in the tray. Little Devil.

[Desley (booktigger)]

I would get him checked out first as he was weeing and not spraying, if it is related to the CRF, do you have trays in lots of places, maybe he didn't think he could get to the tray in time? Might be worth when you put him in the hallway for his food, to put a tray in there with him.
Gail - have you had Zubin checked out for any infections?

[Gillian Harvey]

Oh sorry to hear this Mark - having CRF can mean they wee in the wrong places like Stuart mentioned Hamish did, I think they just get caught short and have to go. My Jasper with CRF is doing it too (he sprays as well!), but he is actually weeing in the hall, and Crystal who also had CRF used to wee in all sorts of places. I think its the nature of the illness - I know that doesnt really help you, and I don't really have any answers myself- but just to say, I know what you're going through 

[Gail Bengal Slave]

Tan, he's been doing for ages. I have to keep the back bedroom door closed so he can't go in there and pee on the bed settee (which he has done). He's also peed on the lamiate floor and dug the soil out of the plant. I have now put tape over it so he can't dig out the soil.

I still love him and wouldn't change him but I wish I could stop him doing this,and get rid of the Pee spots once and for all. Zebedee has NEVER done it.

[Tan]

I know exactly how you feel.

Zubin is peeing in on the lounge carpet. I have just found another damp patch. It is driving me mad, what IS the best thing for spraying on the affected area?.
If I catch him I shout and he's knows he's done wrong but  9 out of 10 he's already done it. I wouldn't mind but there are two trays to choose from.

Hun when did he start?  Have ya read any of Vicky Halls books? There is some brill stuff in there for this and there are bits her advice in our health section.

[Stuart]

Oh Mark I didn't think I'd hear you say that   Hamish in His last month's was doing stuff like that, I took Him to the Vet's and He was treated for a urine infection, and it stopped for a short time. but He started doing it again, weeing on the bathroom rug or in the walkin cupboard.
It did get annoying after a while, but when I took Hamish to the Vet's again, that's when I found out He'd CRF   and when I got home
I kept a closer eye on Him and catched Him going into the Walkin cupboard, I grabbed Him to take Him to His litter Tray, and that's when He
Basically wee'd on me I didn't get cross cause I knew he wasn't well and because I had lifted Him up, I could feel Hs Belly was Full of water.
So it was My own fault, as time went by He got weaker and weaker, so I had put another litter tray in the spare bedroom for Him, Twice I
carfully lifted Him down when he made a move to get off the bed, and twice He'd urinated just next to the tray on the Carpet, but due to Hamish being awfully unwell. I couldnt scold Him  

I know it is a lot of unwanted hard work cleaning the mess up, but is there no way you could confine Clapton when you aren't there ??
or put an extra tray down ??