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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2008, 01:52:37 AM »
Thank you Tan for the email! Going to read it over the weekend. And good luck to all other peace makers!  :hug:

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2008, 20:29:57 PM »
I would be tempted to bring the neuter forward asap.
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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2008, 20:17:46 PM »
yeap and all you want is peace for all

Let me know how ya get on hun

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2008, 15:41:44 PM »
Thanks Tan
I received the email. It's like War and Peace isn't it??

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2008, 13:41:42 PM »
Gill found it for me :)

Will email ya both now xx

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2008, 13:13:22 PM »
Yeap, will send to you too hun. I am wading through my emails to find it and will email as soon as i can. Gilly has  a copy as well so i have asked her to look for that for me.

What i was advised by the behaviourist was that i needed to start from the beginning again to reintroduce Rio & Gizzy slowly. You 1st need to have both cats happy in home environment again with no eye contact with each other. Once they are happy and normal self, you can then start smell swapping and the goal is to have the same happy relaxed cats and used to the others smell in a good way and not associated with aggressive or bad things.  When re introducing the smells give a treat or a plat time so the cats associate the smell with good stuff.

Only until they are happy with the new smell should you start introducing the cats for very little times at first and if all goes well gradually increase time spent in same room etc.

it has to be on their time and not our time to get to know and acccept the newbie so a great deal of patience is needed and it could be a month before you see some changes. I was lucky and the introducing took about 3 weeks and Gizyy and Rio got on well after.  We did have to have two weeks with swapping smells and making sure there was no contact. So we used to take turns with each cat and also give Rio is normal routine. Ie rRo always slept on our bed at night so little gizzy had to sleep in his room at night. But my hubby had him in the lounge with him till early hours when he was working on pc so little giz was not on his own for much.  In the day Gizzy was in the lounge and Rio was out and about as usual. When rio wanted to come in Gizzt went backup to his room!  Alot of swapping and effort on our parts but it worked to get them together.  ;D

It really could be a case of the newbie just bot being excepted by the resident cat at all. This is more common when the resident cat is older and used to being only cat in which case it is not really fair on both cats to have a newbie in the home.
I had my Ben on his own till he went to the bridge as he was such a nervous older cat, it wouldn't have been fair on him to go through any introductions and he thrived being an only cat. I have only introduced other cats to my res cats if they are used to and grown up with cat company in the house.

I had a cat that was fine with outside cats but was awful if any new cat came into the house as they see the house as their core territory and safety place so it is important to introduce into their core territory slowly.

It also depends on the size and personality of the newbie. Some personalities will never get on with another in which case it is fairer to re home one for the sake of both cats.

I think all we can do is try to introduce them at their own pace and hope they do get on or if after a time of trying they are still unhappy,then it's best to re home which is def not easy for us to do.

I have also some very easy introductions by the way.  When Rio was taken  :'( , Garfy got on with Gizzy straight away. I did the separating etc but vheeky Garf got out of his room one day and ran face to face with gizzy. Garf wasn;t scared at all and Gizzy was "amused" by the little one. they both had the same personality ie outgoing and rough play so they got on like a house on fire straight away.  ;D

I am in no way an expert on this   so this is just what i went through. What i did learn was to understand cats alot more as their own species, why they do things that are natural  behaviour and it opened my eyes to so much as i always tended to think how i feel is how they think or feel.  To understand their natural ways is one of the important things to know and then a solution can possibly be found to solve most probs.

Vicky Halls books on cat behaviour also really helped me :)
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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2008, 09:37:58 AM »
thats the trouble with kittens isn't it just bundles to energy!  (even I find them annoying!!)  good luck, hope the info Tan has sent you helps

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2008, 09:33:52 AM »
Hi Delsey, the kitten is scheduled to be neutered later this month when he will also be tattooed and get his boosters. I felt that that would give us time to decide if we were going to keep him or not. Yesterday I paniced a bit when Baz seemed upset so, I'm keeping the kitten upstairs for a while now. I will also be reading the info from Tan about introducing cats to newbies and maybe we will start from scratch! The kitten is gasping to be with the Boyswhich I can appreciate is a bit annoying to them. Eventually though he too will be able to go outside which may help all around. At what age do you suggest it is ok to let him out. I know he has to have all his shots etc , by then he will be about 7 or 8 months old.

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2008, 08:20:47 AM »
One thing that might be causing the problem is that if your 6mo isn't neutered, he will be coming into sexual maturity and will be a challenge to your existing males (if they are neutered), so neutering might help quite a bit. I think it is too early to decide it wont work, when people adopt cats from us, we always ask them to wait a month, unless there is blood involved of course, as it can take that long for them to settle. They might never be friends though, depending on how old your cats are, they might not appreciate a youngster bounding round.
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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2008, 23:37:29 PM »
Tan could you please pm some advice about introducing kitten to the adult cat to me as well. I can't afford cat behaviourist at the moment. My adult cat Cuscus always runs away when the kitten (5 months old) comes to him (he doesn't just come, he bites as well, as I understand it's part of his playing, but maybe it is something to do with territory?)  I wouldn't call it introducing actually, because they know each other for 3 months already, but it hasn't led anywhere. Most of the time they stay in different rooms because I don't want Cucus to run away (usually out of the house and it's so cold at the moment).

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2008, 18:11:07 PM »
It depends on the personality of each cat with introducing others and size. The nervious cats will take longer to except a newbie or may never except a newbie.

The basic things we were asked to do by the behaviourist was
Put newbie in own room till he or she is happy with new enviroment. Do not let resident cats see newbie at all ie no eye contact what so ever.
Slowly introduce newbie smells to redisent cats and vicea versa until all cats are completly happy and comfortable with the new smells. This can take a week or more esp with nervious cats.
Only then, can you start letting newbie to have face contact with resident cats and should be done for a little time building up to longer periods if all is going well. If not , you have to go back to the sep rooms and smell swapping. (if the cats are used to the new smells, when they actually meet, they are not so "troubled" as they are used to the smell of the other cats already, thats you 1st goal)

Some cats will never except another and nervious cats do end up getting bullied by an more outgoing newbie.

I agree if you feel Baz after trying to intoduce littleun will not be happy, it is good to rehome littun for the sake of all the cats.

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2008, 18:02:58 PM »
Only my knowledge not anybodys  ;D

With kittens they often can mingle very quickly without a problem, especially if the other cats are about the same age.

But you have   a cat who doesnt seem....i think i understand from your post...............to do other cats very well although now ok with the other one you have now. So on that basis I would have suggested that maybe room swapping took place and this can take weeks or even months. This only really works however if the cats have not met as I know from my 4, where I have ended up with 2 pairs that do not like each other much......we have toleration, nothing more............sigh

Soooo thats why I feel i cant help, others may be able to, but only you know what it took to get the two current cats to get on.

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2008, 17:57:35 PM »
Hi hun

I have had the exact same situation as you and with the help of a cat behaviourist advice. we managed to introduce newbie kitten to scared adult cat ok. My Rio adult cat was so scared of newbie Gizzy kiiten that he was acting the same as your Baz. ie staying out, not happy being in at all, scared all the time.

Is it ok to pm you with a summary of what we went throiugh and the advice we were given over 3 weeks from a cat behaviourist that worked for us. I's a long read but worth it.

I know how stressful it is to see your lad so upset. It hurt me every time to see Rio upset but we got there in the end and they were good mates after  ;D

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2008, 17:55:48 PM »
Understood, however I am puzzled as to why they should not have been introduced yet. I had the kitten examined by the vet and his health is good so there is no danger of him passing on any diseases. Plus, I kept him in a separate room for a week with just a very short visit from Ollie to see how they got along. So, I don't know for how long I should have kept them all apart. If they were apart for longer, what difference would that have made? I am also suprised that you think this issue is beyond anyone's expertise because I have read many other posts abut problems introducing cats. All I was looking for was a bit of support. However, I don't want to belabour the issue, if no-one can offer any advice, then so be it.

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2008, 17:43:09 PM »
My goodness, it wasnt intended to be either critical or unhelpful, only in that I cant say what is best for your other cats , only you can.

Absolutely no offence was intended and you as know I have given much attempted help with this subject, but your problem is one beyond my knowledge.

I apologize if it was worded badly but was at the time having a fight with Franta on my lap to stop him ripping me and shirt to pieces, so need to be quick.

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2008, 17:38:02 PM »
Thank you for your response Gill. I have been participating in this forum for a year or so now and I can safely say that yours is the most unhelpful resonse I have seen to anyone! You seem to imply that I am irresponsible when in fact, I am doing my best to avoid having to take the kitten to a shelteer. It is just that I am upset to see my other cat unhappy. Please don't bother to respond, I feel bad enough so I won't be bothering to return for more 'advice'.

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Re: New kitten causing problem
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2008, 16:37:32 PM »
we cant tell you what to do! you are the one that knows your cats best.

intros really need to be done over a much longer period of time, especially if you have a problem cat. they should not have met yet!

i cant advise really, sorry

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New kitten causing problem
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2008, 16:14:34 PM »
10 days ago I was "presented ' with a 6 month old, male  kitten. He was being touted around the neighbourhood by the young girls who found him. They could not keep him and as it was already late at night and getting cold, I took him in to save him from god-knows what fate. I have 2 rescue cats, both male, who have been with us for  year. For the first few days I kept the cats separated from the kitten but 2 days ago, I decided to begin to introduce them so, the kitten is now allowed into the main part of the house when we are home. Ollie is not too bothered about him but Basil loathes him and it is really upsetting me because Baz is my boy and I hate to see him so unhappy. Whenever he sees the kitten, he wants to go outside. We got both boys from a shelter and there, Basil kept well away from the other cats, up on a high shelf, just watching proceedings. It took us a while before he began to trust us and to relax, now he's just a lovely boy. He and Ollie get along ok although they aren't close. Now, I know from reading all of the good advice on this forum that it can take ages for cats to accept a new member of the family but at this point, I am seriously tempted to take the kitten to the shelter before we get more attached to him and before Basil decides to leave home altogether. Please tell me what to do!!!

 


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