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Re: minimum effective dose of aluminium hydroxide
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2008, 16:05:13 PM »
That's what I have decided to do. He seems really well at the moment so I don't want to interefere with things unless necessary. Another problem is I wouldn't be able dose every meal as it says to be given 2 hours apart from ACE inhibitors. He will only take the fortekor when he is hungry so I will have to give him the pill last thing at night with food or something?
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Re: minimum effective dose of aluminium hydroxide
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2008, 15:57:49 PM »
many thanks again. I think I'll wait until his next bloods in a couple of months time and then decide what to do. Max has tummy trouble sometimes anyhow.

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Re: minimum effective dose of aluminium hydroxide
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2008, 12:53:57 PM »
Sorry, I only put the international ranges on there but then the quote regarding 6 is in US values!  1.9 (International)  = 6 (US)

Tiggy's phosphorus was 2.24 (6.93 US) when she started binders and my vet said they weren't necessary.  Her levels went down and stabilised at around 1.68 (5.20 US) so if she wasn't using binders her levels would have gone up into the zone where she would have been experiencing nasty side effects/symptoms from the levels being too high.

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Re: minimum effective dose of aluminium hydroxide
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2008, 11:56:18 AM »
many thanks! Do you know what the UK equivalent is of '6' in phosphorus levels? Max's (and Swampy's) are within normal range acc to the vet; their urea and creatinine aren't. As Swampy can't tolerate the binders and is now (touch wood or all ikea fake versions thereof) eating k/d, it's just Max I'm thinking about. He eats wet senior food (0.6% phosphorus acc to Hills). I suppose a pinch can't hurt?

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Re: minimum effective dose of aluminium hydroxide
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2008, 23:50:27 PM »
I was recommend Alu-caps over Ipakitine as it is supposed to be more effective at binding the phosphorous, there is also the risk of increasing calcium lvels with the Ipakitine which is not a good thing.  As regards aluminium causing dementia.... from the CRF site -  You may have read that there is a risk of aluminium toxicity from the aluminium in aluminium hydroxide medications but this refers to human patients on dialysis (because aluminium is used in the dialysis process) which is not a concern for cats; plus it takes years before it becomes a problem for humans, so all in all it is not something you need to worry about.

The dosage depends on the current phosphorous levels and weight of the cat.  Each capsule (which I pulled open and left on a teaspoon) was 475mg, Tiggy only weighed 5 pounds so her dosage was 125mg per day.  That's roughly a quarter of what's *on* the  teaspoon (not a 1/4 *of * a teaspoon) which I just shared out between each meals.  I didn't need to measure it as Tiggy's dose was literally a pinch per meal.  It doesn't have to mixed in just sprinkled on the top, it's odourless and tasteless just think of it as seasoning!

Between 1.6 and 1.9 mmol/L -  25 mg per lb (0.5kg) of cat per day, divided and given with food 2-3 times a day*

Between 1.9 and 2.6 mmol/L -  50 mg per lb (0.5kg) of cat per day, divided and given with food 2-3 times a day.

Over 2.6 mmol/L -  100 mg per lb (0.5kg) of cat per day, divided and given with food 2-3 times a day.

 *Not everybody chooses to start binders if phosphorus levels are in this range - most people only start binders once phosphorus levels are over 6. However, if your cat has previously had high phosphorus levels which you have reduced with binders, you will probably need to continue to give binders, either at this dosage or even higher, otherwise your cat's values will probably rise over 6 again.

Aluminium hydroxide is a safe product, so it does not have to be measured too precisely, but as a rough guide, if you are using powdered aluminium hydroxide, such as the Spectrum brand sold by Goolricks, a quarter of a teaspoon of powder contains approximately 300mg of aluminium hydroxide. If you are using a liquid type of binder, as a guide, a teaspoon of Alternagel contains approximately 600mg of aluminium hydroxide.

Phosphorus binders must be given with food so they can bind with the phosphorus in it. For tinned food, if you are using tablets, you can simply crush them up and add them to the food; while capsules can be opened and the tasteless contents mixed with the food. One retailer recommends adding a teaspoon of water to tinned food and letting it stand for ten minutes before serving in order to let the binder mix thoroughly. If you are using dry food, you may wish to try putting the food in a freezer bag together with the crushed binder and leave them to mingle overnight.

It does not matter if your non-CRF cats eat food mixed with phosphorus binders, though obviously you should try to give them some food free of binders too, particularly kittens.

Cautions

Sometimes phosphorus binders may cause constipation, so watch for this when you first start them.

Phosphorus binders should be given two hours apart from Baytril (an antibiotic), Pepcid (famotidine) or ACE inhibitors, because they may interfere with the absorbtion of these treatments, which would make them less effective.

Medline Plus mentions that Vitamin C may interact adversely with products containing aluminium, such as phosphorus binders.

Phosphorus binders should ideally be given separately from iron, because the binders may reduce the absorption of the iron. Drugstore has some information about this interaction.


 

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Re: minimum effective dose of aluminium hydroxide
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2008, 19:16:52 PM »
My vet gave me ipaketine but seemed pleased when I said I'd got hold of aluminium hydroxide, but can't remember his explanation though. You're probably right, Mark -  the calcium could be it. I'm not totally sure that they help all that much, unless someone can say otherwise? So Max is getting a small pinch in his food in the mornings and not again. He's a senior food boy - wet and dry. Sometimes he'll eat renal, but not on a daily basis. Max is a fussy eater at the best of times  :innocent:

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Re: minimum effective dose of aluminium hydroxide
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 08:24:42 AM »
Found an American site that say Ipakitine (Epakitine in the US)  is Calcium based so that is probably why Helen didn't recommend it.

http://members.verizon.net/~vze2r6qt/supplies/binders.htm
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Re: minimum effective dose of aluminium hydroxide
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 22:47:29 PM »
Helen told me last year but I can't remember. My vet at the time told me not to use binders - I want to find out more about renagel as it is calcium and aluminium free. Calcium can build up in organs over time and aluminium is believed to cause dementia long term. It's all quite complicated to me  :Crazy: - I would like to start Clapton on binders as he is eating a mix of senior and regular food and it doesn't help that he eats 5 + pouches a day.

I was thinking about Ipakitine but I think Helen said it isn't very good http://www.ipakitine.com/home.php?site=1&langue=uk
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minimum effective dose of aluminium hydroxide
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 22:12:29 PM »
I think I should start to use binders in Max's wet food (he eats a mix of dry senior and wet senior: won't really eat renal much). He's eating Hills senior pate which is 0.6% phosphorus and RCW kidney and osteo dry which is about the same. The dry food seems to have helped his arthritis a bit too and as he won't eat at regular times, it's also quite good to leave it down at night and he'll help himself - can't do that with wet food. (Swampy won't nick his dry either as no longer fancies it).
He tends to have constipation and when he does, is very miserable and refuses to eat at all, yet yells constantly for food. I've started using lactulose on a regular basis with him just in the last week or so.
I want to start by adding a little alu hydroxide to his food but am not sure what the minimum dose is? The capsules are 475mgs. He only eats a small amount of wet food which adds to the difficulty of giving him more than (eg) a 1/4 teaspoon.
Would that be enough to work?

 


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