Topic: Holiday parc kill cats (Read 15830 times)

Anneholland · « **Reply #37 on:** October 11, 2007, 17:20:31 PM »

Lili Thanks for your help!

In Germany parc Heilbachsee are hungry cats but no further information, i am working on it!

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #36 on:** October 11, 2007, 17:19:02 PM »

Thank you Lili

lili29 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 11, 2007, 17:13:18 PM »

I have some news...
There are cats in Center parks in France too, but nobody knows if they have been mistreated or not.
I am still waiting for more answer !

Anneholland · « **Reply #34 on:** October 03, 2007, 16:45:56 PM »

Quote from: lili29 on October 03, 2007, 16:19:13 PM

I will check if Center parcs are doing the same in France.
I will let you know as soon as possible.

Lili, i love you!
Thank you very much!

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #33 on:** October 03, 2007, 16:21:37 PM »

Thank you very much for helping lili

lili29 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 03, 2007, 16:19:13 PM »

I will check if Center parcs are doing the same in France.
I will let you know as soon as possible.

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #31 on:** October 02, 2007, 22:35:50 PM »

Quote from: Anneholland on October 02, 2007, 15:25:27 PM

First is its very important to find out how it is with the Center Parcs cats in the UK.
Are there cats?
If the answer is yes, is Center Parcs the owner or are they left behind?
Are they feed-ed or not?
What are they doing when there are to many cats?
Maybe they have the perfect cat friendly solution so i can tell Center Parcs Holland that other Parcs don't kill the cats.

I know it's not a definitive answer but I've been to a few of the center parcs, the most recent being Elveden about 2 years ago - I didn't see a single cat when I was there. Lets hope that there aren't any there and that this dreadful situation in the Netherlands can be sorted out.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #30 on:** October 02, 2007, 17:39:19 PM »

Good saying that

Anneholland · « **Reply #29 on:** October 02, 2007, 17:38:03 PM »

His name is Maico (means very naughty) and he is about 20 weeks old, he is the youngest of my six cats.

Yes, we need all the facts.
In dutch we say: de eerste klap is een daalder waard, means something like, the first hit has to be sharp, you don't get a second chance.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #28 on:** October 02, 2007, 17:12:08 PM »

Love your cat Anne he is very handsome, what is his name?

WE have some french speakers on hear and a new member who lives in France, if you pm me Annn I will give you their names and you could ask one of them if she would put a message on the frnch forum for you.

I think we need to know exactly all the facts about this before making any public statements. Mark is right that we must be sure across all the european Center Parcs or whether is is just in the Dutch ones.

Mark · « **Reply #27 on:** October 02, 2007, 16:56:53 PM »

I was doing some searching and found this investment group own the center parcs in The Netherlands & Germany. Maybe you could ask them some questions.

http://www.blackstone.com/contact/index.html

Anneholland · « **Reply #26 on:** October 02, 2007, 16:13:25 PM »

The fact is that they are killing the cats and won't talk about a solution but to get things changed we need a lot of information and proof.

So first: is it only a dutch problem or have we to change all Center Parcs in Europe?
It is very important to know, do we have to accuse whole Center Parcs or not.

If i am sure about it i will let you know.

Dawn F · « **Reply #25 on:** October 02, 2007, 15:46:08 PM »

I'm happy to get involved with this but only once I understand exactly what is going on maybe once you are sure of the situation Anne you can let us know

Anneholland · « **Reply #24 on:** October 02, 2007, 15:25:27 PM »

Quote from: Cheesecat (Dawn) on October 02, 2007, 10:38:54 AM

http://www.centerparcs.co.uk/information/contact/index.jsp

Contact Us form - maybe we should all send something?

I love you all!

First is its very important to find out how it is with the Center Parcs cats in the UK.
Are there cats?
If the answer is yes, is Center Parcs the owner or are they left behind?
Are they feed-ed or not?
What are they doing when there are to many cats?
Maybe they have the perfect cat friendly solution so i can tell Center Parcs Holland that other Parcs don't kill the cats.

If you contact Center Parcs UK, please be very carefull with what you are telling them.
To get things changed in Holland we need more information.
If Center Parcs Holland hears from what is going on, the will lock the door complete and it might not be possible anymore to save some of the cats!
Th file is not yet complete.

Cheesecat · « **Reply #23 on:** October 02, 2007, 10:38:54 AM »

http://www.centerparcs.co.uk/information/contact/index.jsp

Contact Us form - maybe we should all send something?

Yvonne · « **Reply #22 on:** October 02, 2007, 10:28:16 AM »

Center Parcs website:

http://www.centerparcs.co.uk/index.jsp?tc=01KW030101296&s_kwcid=TC-3424-293604323-e-3609355

Anneholland · « **Reply #21 on:** October 02, 2007, 09:56:19 AM »

Quote from: Mark on October 02, 2007, 09:50:35 AM

We have to be very careful regardinf accusations as these big companies can afford to shut people up in court

quote He is lovely

/quote

Thanks!
~

I know but i won't give up easily.
Sad to hear that you have the same problem

Mark · « **Reply #20 on:** October 02, 2007, 09:50:35 AM »

He is lovely

We are having the same problem here with the olympic site. A cat charity, Celia Hammond Trust is trying to save the feral cats on the olympic buling site but they have been banned from the site, even though it won't cost the Olympic people anything. It is so cruel and heartless. I'm sure a lot of families that stay in centreparcs would be horrified if they knew. I wonder if there are any Centerparc forums? - We have to be very careful regardinf accusations as these big companies can afford to shut people up in court

Anneholland · « **Reply #19 on:** October 02, 2007, 09:41:15 AM »

On the picture my youngest.
When he was 3 weeks old, he was brought (with his 4 brothers) to the local shelter.
They said we have already to much little ones so the want to kill the babies. (no, not even wait 14 days!)
The were lucky and brought to a private shelter.
But this is normal in Dutch shelter who becomes money from the local authorities!

Anneholland · « **Reply #18 on:** October 02, 2007, 09:23:21 AM »

Hi Yvonne,

I wish i could say no, i don't have evidence but the answer i have to give is yes

There are people working at Center Parcs who told me and they are trying to save some cats!
Last week they did save the little one i told before.

They catch the cats and put them in so called deadcages.
There they have to wait for the vet.
He brings them to the shelter were the are put to sleep.
The shelter gets money from the local authorities for 14 days housing the cats but there is much doubt (no proof) if the shelter really wait 14 days then the know that this are nobody cats. (none owner)
So there are no cost for Center Parcs en the get relieved of the cats.
But i asked if i can have the family of 6 cats and they said no, and of course it wont have any cost for Center Parcs.
So they don't want to save the cats.

We are trying to find out much as possible and then we inform the Dutch media, there are people on a dutch cat forum who are helping me.
I will also ask information on a German cat forum, too bad i don't speak any french so i can't ask the french people.

Yvonne · « **Reply #17 on:** October 01, 2007, 21:21:10 PM »

Good evening Anne,

Do you actually have any evidence that Center Parcs are killing the cats? If so, how are they doing it? Has there been any coverage about this in any of the Dutch media?

Please keep us posted.

Anneholland · « **Reply #16 on:** October 01, 2007, 17:36:31 PM »

Hi Angie,

Thanks for the sites.
I will first find out if this is only a dutch problem or bigger and then i will inform many animal foundations as possible.

Anneholland · « **Reply #15 on:** October 01, 2007, 17:29:59 PM »

The organisation is a foundation who helps dogs and cats who can not be placed anywhere else.
Older and sick animals and animals with wild behaviour, i mean cats who have been living in the woods.
Also cats with FIV-FeLV.
The animals don't live there in cages but in a room or outside with many space.
Somebody who works there is trying to save some cats from Center Parcs.
Last week they saved a little one!

Angiew · « **Reply #14 on:** October 01, 2007, 17:29:31 PM »

gill i was just going to say the same thing - i think you cross posted and then i had a lady to look at me cats .

Centreparcs would hate bad publicity so its as well to get a national or international charity behind you. look at IFAW at http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx

or http://www.wspa-international.org/

for example

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #13 on:** October 01, 2007, 17:17:24 PM »

Thats Ok

Anneholland · « **Reply #12 on:** October 01, 2007, 17:16:04 PM »

Quote from: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 01, 2007, 16:24:15 PM

Anne I saw you use CP for Centre Parcs but in the UK, CP means Cat Protection which is one of the biggest rescues in the country, so ummmm could you either write name in full or use say Cen P cos it would be terrible if someone came in and saw the pictures and thought our CP was killing cats

Sorry to be a nuisance but very important to us in the UK

Sorry, sorry, i didn't know!
It wont happen again and i changed it.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #11 on:** October 01, 2007, 17:15:16 PM »

I know a organisation that want to help the cats, they did a proposal, Center Parcs didn't even answer them!

Who was this organization?

Anneholland · « **Reply #10 on:** October 01, 2007, 17:13:07 PM »

Quote from: Dawn F on October 01, 2007, 16:21:39 PM

they are lovely, why won't they let you take them?

They didn't say why, only no.
I think there are mad that i found out what is really happening there.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #9 on:** October 01, 2007, 16:24:15 PM »

Anne I saw you use CP for Centre Parcs but in the UK, CP means Cat Protection which is one of the biggest rescues in the country, so ummmm could you either write name in full or use say Cen P cos it would be terrible if someone came in and saw the pictures and thought our CP was killing cats

Sorry to be a nuisance but very important to us in the UK

Those pictures are heart rending, What is the organization that offered to help Centre Parcs with the cats?

Dawn F · « **Reply #8 on:** October 01, 2007, 16:21:39 PM »

they are lovely, why won't they let you take them?

Anneholland · « **Reply #7 on:** October 01, 2007, 16:18:06 PM »

Hi Yvonne,

The cats were to shy, scared.
They were just going to trust me when i had to leave.
A few days longer and i could have save there lives.

Yvonne · « **Reply #6 on:** October 01, 2007, 16:09:03 PM »

Hi Anne and

to Purrs

Those cats are adorable - could they not just go "missing"

When I was at Center Parcs I did not see any cats - plenty of squirrels and ducks. I would be very surprised if Center Parcs in the UK were associated at all with killing cats but I would be interested to know.

Anneholland · « **Reply #5 on:** October 01, 2007, 16:07:26 PM »

The whole family

Anneholland · « **Reply #4 on:** October 01, 2007, 16:04:07 PM »

the little ones i want to save and Center Parcs said no

Anneholland · « **Reply #3 on:** October 01, 2007, 15:30:38 PM »

Thanks!

I am very sad about it.
What some people can do with animals, terrible

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #2 on:** October 01, 2007, 15:18:16 PM »

to Purrs Anne

We will have to find out if it is happening here you are right. This sounds terrible what they are doing in your country and we would not like it to happen here too.

Anneholland · « **Reply #1 on:** October 01, 2007, 15:01:22 PM »

Dear, dear catlovers,

My name is Anne and i am living in the Netherlands.

In Holland we have a big problem.
This problem may also exist in the UK.
I want to try to change things en i have to found out of this only is a dutch problem or also in the Uk, Belgium, Germany and France.
What is going on:
You all know what Center Parcs is.
A Holiday center!
A so called State Of Happiness!
In this “State of Happiness lives many cats.
Many years ago Center Parcs needed the cats to catch mice and other “bad” animals.
So the toke some cats and let them walk through the holiday centers.
The were feed-ed and also castrate/sterilize.
But something did go wrong.
The cats became to many.
The say that guest leave there cats behind!
So what does Center Parcs do, they catch the cats en put them to sleep, kill them!
Kittens and grown up, yes, also the little ones!
They make a profit of 150 Mil. Euro pro year! (more then 104 Mil. Gbp)
Not one penny may go to the cats, they Are also not be feed-ed anymore!
I know a organisation that want to help the cats, they did a proposal, Center Parcs didn't even answer them!
I want to save a whole family, 4 kittens, mother and father.
Center Parcs say no!
So they don't want to save the cats!!!!!
They only want to kill them!
This is going on in the parcs called: Meerdal, Loohorst, Eemhof, Kempervennen, Zandvoort and Huttenheugte.
Probably also in the other two, Zélande and Heijderbos and in Belgium, France and Germany.
I'll find out!
So now i need your help.
Who can tell me how the situation is in the UK?
The parcs are called: Whinfell Forest, Sherwood Forest, Elveden Forest and Longleat Forest.
What are they doing with the cats?
Please let me know, maybe it can help to save the dutch cats.

Kindly regards,
Anne

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