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Offline Ela

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Re: Just one litter...letting off steam
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2007, 08:46:02 AM »
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and the mods locked the thread 


Couldn't you start a new one just advising the reasons for early neuter/spay ? Something like:- 
WHY NEUTER?
Cats protection encourages all cat owners to have their cat’s neutered/spayed. quite simply there are far too many cats and just not enough caring homes. It’s all very well saying oh! I always get good homes for my cats kittens, if that is the case why are rescues  always so full and have a huge list of cats waiting to come in and where are all the tens of thousands of cats/kittens that cats protection take in each year coming from? and why are tens of thousands more put to sleep each year? Sadly most of them come from those so-called good homes. If there were not so many kittens available the thousands of kittens/cats that are put to sleep each year may stand a chance of adoption and that good home you managed to find might have adopted one that has now been put to sleep. it is appreciated  that some go into care because of the owners ill health or a death in the family but the majority are simply not now wanted. Please don’t be led into thinking that if everyone had their cat neutered/spayed they would die out, that is just not going to happen there are far too many irresponsible people for that. If there were a few less cats/kittens available would it be such a bad thing? Maybe just maybe they would be more valued and as a result of this perhaps we would not keep reading of the abuse and neglect so many suffer. occasionally rescues are told ‘I don’t want my cat ‘done’ I want it to have some fun’, another word for fun is amusing, it is not very amusing when your cat gets a life threatening disease just because you wanted your cat to have some fun, is it?

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FIV & FelV is rife; it is passed on from cat to cat by contact, usually sexual or fighting. 

It is not necessary for a cat to have a litter of kittens before it’s spayed, indeed all vets would agree that it is of no benefit to a cat at all. 

It is just as important for indoor cats to be neutered/spayed as it helps to eradicate many forms of cancer, e.g. breast, ovarian, uterine prostrate & testicular also enlargement of the prostrate and related infections.
Females will not acquire pyometra a life threatening infection.
Every time a cat comes into season her chances of mammary tumours (breast cancer) increases. therefore indoor cats are at risk just as much as indoor/outdoor cats, this also affects dogs.
Testicular cancer is common in toms as is FIV & FeLV
Vouchers towards the cost of this simple little procedure can be obtained for Cats Protection.

Please note: FIV & FeLV cannot be transmitted to humans.

Cats lives have been saved many times when a vet noticed something wrong with a cat that would have remained unnoticed until it was too late had the cat not gone for a neuter/spay.

Neutering helps cats live 3 – 5 years longer & have healthier lives.

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Re: Just one litter...letting off steam
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2007, 08:20:41 AM »
oh dear!! Hopefully at least one person will learn from it though.
yep, i definitely agree there, and the people who have had cats for years, and dont realise that things have changed and there are better ways of doing things.
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Re: Just one litter...letting off steam
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2007, 08:17:15 AM »
I can't now, it all got a bit heated (she got abusive at people daring to question her  :evillaugh:) and the mods locked the thread  :shy:

Unfortunately people who think they love their animals are often the ones who are least willing to be taught  >:(

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Re: Just one litter...letting off steam
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2007, 08:02:51 AM »
Good on you for trying, and at least other people have stuck up for you. I would also mention the health implications to the mum, and also the cost implications if there is a problem and say she needs to have a C Section.
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Re: Just one litter...letting off steam
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2007, 22:21:12 PM »
Most of us are actually sane! 

Speak for yourself!  I'm a crazy cat lady and proud of it  ;)

This kind of attitude is so hard to change as most just don't get it and aren't amenable to reason.

It also sounds like this person might be breeding pedigree cats since she mentions the non active register?  If that means that she's got a cat who is registered on the active register then it sounds like some irresponsible breeder has sold her that cat, and also I wonder what cat she's mating her too.  No reputable breeder is likely to let her use their stud cat.  Sad all round.

Well done for speaking up, fluffy.  That's all you can do sometimes and you put forward a good argument.

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Re: Just one litter...letting off steam
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2007, 21:41:07 PM »
You stick with us, fluffybunny. Most of us are actually sane!  :hug: ;)

But we've all been battling this silly mentality for years... people letting them have 'just one litter', people getting Toms and not bothering to get them neutered, people not vaccinating, not chipping....  >:( :(

You can only do what you can, and thankfully I have often been in the right place at the right time to make a difference to a few cats. If we all did that, life would be a lot nicer.  ;)

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Re: Just one litter...letting off steam
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2007, 20:48:53 PM »
Good!

Well done Fluffy  ;D  :hug:
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Re: Just one litter...letting off steam
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2007, 20:43:56 PM »
Apparently the cat is timid so she thought a litter might make it a better companion for her.

Anyway since I stuck my head above the parapet a load of other people have stood up and agreed with me, so at least I feel like I'm not on my own!  :evillaugh:

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Re: Just one litter...letting off steam
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2007, 19:51:05 PM »
And you didn't even tell her about the health implications. At least you got your point across, she is probably being aggressive as a defence as she knows you are right. Some stupid people should have been drowned at birth.
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Re: Just one litter...letting off steam
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2007, 19:40:31 PM »
If you want stats, if one cat has kittens who have kittens who have kittens (you get the picture) after 7 years you have almost one quarter of a million cats. Scary but true. Mind you, this assumes that all cats involved keep on having kittens, not just one litter per generation...

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Just one litter...letting off steam
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2007, 19:35:44 PM »
AAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh, someone on the bunny forum has proudly announced that she has bred her cat as she wanted it to have 'just one litter' before spaying her.  But it's ok...the kittens will PROBABLY go to family and friends. 

So I said:

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The thing is though, what happens if one of those people decides to let their kitten have 'just one litter' in the same way that you have. What happens to those kittens? And what happens if the people who take those kittens let them have 'just one litter'. I'm afraid I do feel really sad about this because it is exactly the 'just one litter and they are all going to people I know' which causes a lot of the problems for animal shelters. One cat can effectively mother, grandmother and great-grandmother hundreds of animals every year from 'just one litter'. You might be able to guarantee great homes for the kittens of your one, but can you guarantee the same thing to possibly hundreds of subsequent ones? Anyone who takes a kitten could have gone to a rescue and got a kitten or cat, so by having one from 'just one litter' is denying a cat who already exists, a permanent home - and as I said, that could be hundreds from the one original litter...

For which I got a mouthful of abuse in which I was told that she was prepared to accept any consequences and they would be sold on the non-active register and that my time would be spent harassing irresponsible pet owners. 

So I replied that anyone who has thought of the consequences and decided to go ahead anyway is an irresponsible pet owner as far as I'm concerned.

I'm really :censored: off now!  It's no wonder animal welfare is an uphill struggle when people who consider themselves to be 'animal lovers' can't see the issues, or see them but would prefer to see some cute kittens.   :censored: :censored: :censored:

Rant over, sorry!

 


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