Topic: Once Bitten Twice Shy (Read 15569 times)

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #79 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:58:33 PM »

Right thats it then and thread is now locked

Adam · « **Reply #78 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:55:35 PM »

Let’s be clear about one thing I didn’t read the openings or introductions of this site before joining it, and perhaps, I should have, I don’t belong to any other forum, however it’s been made very clear from the off that the breeder has friends on here, and likewise some have done everything to chop me down right through this thread.

I apologise if I have offended the masses, if anyone wishes the results of Rae I should have them all by the 8-2-13. Worldofbengals@outlook.com

Goodbye and thank you.

tab · « **Reply #77 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:53:45 PM »

I agree Rae is the most imprtant thing

Liz · « **Reply #76 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:50:50 PM »

He is a breeder who hasn't given his prefix, who keeps editing stuff and I am not a nasty piece of work Adam just someone who gives a dam for the aggro you are causing shame on you Adam

And its Rae who has my sympathies being with someone like you

Still not been on any Bengal forums though and given it your opinion

You still used drugs not prescribed for Rae and you took her temperature saw she was badly dehydrated - your words and still no rush to the vets just a thermometer up her and antibiotics prescribed for something else speaks volumes really

Sue P (Paddysmum) · « **Reply #75 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:46:40 PM »

Sheesh - you guys! If you really cannot - or will not - keep this civilised instead of ripping the

out of each other the thread will be closed. Is it so difficult to stop trying to score cheap points off each other?

A cat is sick and the main focus has to be its welfare.

Squabbling like this is hideous. Let's concentrate on Rae and what can be done
for her, please?

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #74 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:45:41 PM »

But for the fact the membership want to know how Rae is, this thread would be locked.

However any more bickering and totally irrelevant posts it will be locked.

Adam keep to posts about how Rae is, we have no interest in all the other stuff.

[mod]This is an offical warning Adam and one more post that is not about Raes health and thread will be locked[/mod]

cazzer · « **Reply #73 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:40:51 PM »

Adam, I don't know Liz, the breeder or indeed anyone who owns or breeds Bengals. I've read this thread all the way through and never commented until now. I'm sorry to hear your wife and Rae are ill.

That comment about Liz is totally uncalled for, and I hope you are going to apologise.

Linda (Bengalbabe) · « **Reply #72 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:39:38 PM »

"Adam"

If you have indeed been breeding 40 years then you will know that in any cattery environment things can and do go wrong. Your treatment of this breeder all over the internet is despicable. What matters is Rae and how responsible the Breeder's behave (in this case both the buyer and seller are Breeders and share responsibility). I have no direct experience of you but I do know Rae's breeder and have purchased several bengals from her. She is seriously one of the most caring breeders I have dealt with and definitely not one to shirk her responsibilities.

I should also say I have had a kitten die that I purchased from a breeder (NOT the one you are discussing let me be clear) and it broke my heart. Did I post all over the internet, talk about money or look to damage anyone's reputation? No I did not. I worked with the breeder to focus my attention on the kitten which is exactly as it should be. How about you limit your posts to Rae's health and well being, after all this is all the lovely people on this forum are concerned about.

There are plenty other places to air breeder disputes.

tab · « **Reply #71 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:33:47 PM »

you’re a real nasty piece of work Liz goodbye

Really????

Youre so wrong to accuse people you dont know.

I was being polite before but now

tab · « **Reply #70 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:32:10 PM »

ENOUGH!!!!!

People Im very sorry a cat is poorly but purrs isnt for personal stuff like the breeder is to blame, the buyer is to blame, friend of breeder getting involved, friend of buyer getting involved!

Most people on here only get rascue cats where you really dont know what youre going to get. I took on a rescue that I was told was old, ill and would cost me a fortune in vet bills. She died 12 years later.

I wouldn think of having medication in the home as any medication given would have been given to the cat it was prescribed for. Its like people saying I have this sympton want to try my prescription drugs when they know nothing compared with the medical person who advised what to take. Trust me I know what Im talking about as years ago I was ill my friend said oh I have the same symptons but this stuff from my Dad helps. I took it and was REALLY ill

Its a very sad story and I refuse to take sides as from what Ive read both sides are at fault.

The buyer didnt visit
the seller sold whilst ill
the buyer got the purchase price back (which let me tell you in rescue terms is a hell of a lot of money)

Ive never bought a pedigree as I dont think they're worth the money unless you want to make money from breeding from them

Thats my opinion and its worth notrhing I know but is this thread worth anything?

Its turning into a princess fest which as a rescue site helps no one

love
Tab

PS now waiting for the backlash lol

Adam · « **Reply #69 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:31:47 PM »

I ‘m sure you would Liz however she arrived at 11-45 PM, my vet was told of her condition, and it was agreed that as I had got her temperature under control there would be no need to stress her out even more with another journey, she had just endured 14 hours in a crate, with no food or water, she has still to be diagnosed Liz, read back through my posts, you did say you copied them below somewhere? I use prescribed medication, yes I keep some in the house, my vet is quite happy for me to such drugs, if you read my posts you’ll understand why, you’re a real nasty piece of work Liz goodbye

Sue P (Paddysmum) · « **Reply #68 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:22:17 PM »

Please guys - keep it civil. Wisdom with hindsight and all that. . . .

Liz · « **Reply #67 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:19:19 PM »

You did however use antibiotics not prescribed for the kitten that you had in the house so maybe that also caused the infection to worsen as you keep saying that Baytril is the antibiotic of choice but you used Amoxycillin to dose a Rae with little regard when from the posts you keep editing previously showed when surely the best course of action would have been the vets straight away so perhaps you are as bad in that respect

Liz · « **Reply #66 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:09:51 PM »

I would have been there that night but suppose cost implications again

Adam · « **Reply #65 on:** January 29, 2013, 21:07:52 PM »

If you had read my posts you would have likewise read that I never used the drugs sent down and Rae saw my vet soon as he opened in the morning

Liz · « **Reply #64 on:** January 29, 2013, 20:58:43 PM »

I personally would have had the kitten to vet the day it arrived and not used the stuff sent with it if it wasn't labelled but you used the antibiotic and didn't take Rae to the vets straight away and perhaps all this could have been diagnosed sooner but hindsight is a wonderful thing

At the end of the day as long as Rae is receiving the right treatment after a correct diagnosis then thats all one can ask

Sorry but your tantalising discoveries are becoming a tad boring sadly and it should be Rae who is the biggest priority along with your family and of course you other cats and dogs

You have already named the breeder and the cattery involved by using their prefix even if you did edit your earlier posts I have the originals so will be delighted to pass them on to the Breeder and all relevant professional bodies should that be required

Adam · « **Reply #63 on:** January 29, 2013, 20:41:31 PM »

The Animal health trust who have been reasonable for all tests to-date have agreed in a telephone call earlier to-day I have only just received this information via email from a third party, to continue with the kitten, have made a further discovery which I cannot disclose or can I disclose any other information at the moment, other than the end result in which I will be happy to do, when I receive it. I will however finish my article once I have all the information, and I will likewise Name the Cattery and Breeder.

Yes Liz I’m well aware in how Synulox comes and in what different forms however it is against the law to prescribe prescription drugs; this was prescribed by the breeder with her own pacific instructions, if the vet in question did not prescribe them who did? One can find this drug readily available on the internet, one can also fine lots of drivel on there, however its reliability is questionable and its accuracy flawed, you should know that?

Liz · « **Reply #62 on:** January 29, 2013, 20:00:22 PM »

Synulox comes in liquid form it comes already mixed up with a dropper and dose amounts on the leaflet easily downloaded from the manuafactures site, I have it for my outside ferals, it also comes in tablet form they are pink as Boris is on hald a crushed tablet per day, our vets always put the lablels on the boxes as if you drip some on the label the instructions would become blurred

I know if any of mine are in isolation with anything that I always buy disposable litter trays then there is no chance of cross contamination and she may have picked it up from litter trays that you have been using as you state this may create a viscious cycle which is hard to break hence the disposable ones we have make it impossible to have recontamination and yes they are another cost but do save the possible recontamination

I hope she is being good with the Sub Q fluids that will help keep her hydrated and flushing her bladder and hopefully with the aid of antibiotics flush it through quicker, I know the Boris hated his at the vets but then my vets trained me to do them at home when he was ill

Hopefull now this has been diagnosed she can be cured and things can move on, I hope she is coping with the isolation regeime she will now be under and hopefully coping with it well, I know young kittens take it very hard being away from their humans, I ended up moving in to our isolation wing with the Boris and he was much happier so was I nothing like a sick sad kitten

nickynoo93 · « **Reply #61 on:** January 28, 2013, 23:22:30 PM »

I am sorry that your wife is so ill.

Poor little Rae. Hopefully she will get better soon.

Last July I adopted a rescue kitten, he was poorly and admitted to the vets in the 1st week. In december he was very poorly, and was admitted to a very good vet hospital, then onto the Royal Vets College, he had to have an MRI scan, during that scan they discovered he had FIP and we had to let him go.

We loved that little boy very much, 'just' a moggie, but insured. We spent every last scrap of money that we had to get him treatment and tests.

Unfortunately we lost him, but we are now receiving the money back from the insurers, the thing is that we take on the animals love them for what they are and enjoy them. We do our best for them as you seem to be doing for Rae.

I hope she recovers.

Nicky

JenGeorgieBob · « **Reply #60 on:** January 28, 2013, 14:50:16 PM »

hello,
I really hope Rae improves and a solution for her problems are just round the corner.

just wanted to add a bit of experience from my point of view. You seem very fixated on the money you are having to spend out because of this and I am wondering why? I adopted 2 healthy rescue kittens only to find they have severely under-developed kidneys and have chronic renal failure. They have cost me a fortune in vet bills and will continue to do so, they are simple moggies but this is one of the responsibilities I accept and I would not change them for the world. I understand and empathise about large vet bills but that is the risk one takes with cats? the idea of returning them or demanding money for them is not one that sits comfortably with me.

one of the kittens (although they are 2 and a half now) Ginger, had severe and on going cystitis as her first symptom. It took about 3 months to clear up, she had a course of ABs then a cysto urine analysis while she was on them and then repeated a week after finishing the course. it was only after several attempts with different ABs that we finally cleared the infection, so there is hope. We were lucky to have a very good vet who persevered and helped through this, has this idea been suggested by your vets at all?

And just to add on a personal note your insistence on adding about this tattooed yob is a little offensive. Whether a person has tattoos or not does not automatically make them a yob or aggressive, the only thing that it changes is how you view them and your own stereotypes

I hope that Rae finds the care she needs.

JackSpratt · « **Reply #59 on:** January 28, 2013, 12:45:52 PM »

I've only skim read this post, but it's not making for friendly reading.

Adam, can I ask how Rae is today? That above all is what's important on here, surely. I hope she's doing better.

Liz · « **Reply #58 on:** January 28, 2013, 12:16:34 PM »

Any health problem in a cat is worth writing about and I am sure GCCF and TICA would have been a better place to sort this out thean on the internet

But of you don't have a prefix and aren't a member can see why you haven't gone through the Governing bodies route

Liz · « **Reply #57 on:** January 28, 2013, 11:06:35 AM »

Personal shots fired across the bow will get a response from me, you haven't been there as you have already stated so pot kettle black

I am a graduate as well and it doesn't matter what the degree is in we aren't vets but can all surf and read and take what we want from articles and information on line

Again no mention of Rae or the Stud boy and you haven't posted this on any Bengal forum just rescue ones and that speaks volumes in its self

Sue P (Paddysmum) · « **Reply #56 on:** January 28, 2013, 07:11:41 AM »

It's unpalatable reading the contents of this thread. Please keep the content impersonal.

The purpose of the thread was to warn people not to buy unwisely. It's not about ripping each other to shreds.

Emotions are high on the subject of breeding at the best of times, and particularly where large sums of money are concerned. However, let's keep the thread polite.

Any personal disagreements should be taken off thread and aired privately, by PM if necessary. This isn't the place to do it.

I think we all want the best possible result for Rae, and it would be helpful to focus on that outcome.

Lottie (Team Svartalfheim's) · « **Reply #55 on:** January 28, 2013, 03:49:33 AM »

Quote from: Adam on January 27, 2013, 23:39:04 PM

I don’t know where it states I was unhappy with Scottish notes; notes are notes regardless, always happy to receive Lottie, your email looks very familiar to someone else I know, you should read the part in my article regarding E coli in starts in the lower intestine

It was just the way you said about it being Scottish £50 notes rather than just saying £50 notes made it sound like them being Scottish notes was a problem, it may just have been the way it read and not your intention for it to come across like that at all though. Apologies if I read it the wrong way.
Who does my email look familiar too? I don't recognise your name at all. I have read your posts on this thread, why should I read the E. coli bit in particular?

I'm sorry to read that your wife is very ill, that must be difficult to deal with. I hope that both your wife and yourself are getting the support you need from the relevant people.

When will you get Rae's next test results back? I hope the results come back with the best case scenario for her

Liz · « **Reply #54 on:** January 28, 2013, 01:26:51 AM »

We shall see about Karma and I wouldn't speak to your vet as I have already stated under the DPA they can't talk to me so please don't make this all about me it is in fact the welfare of the Cats concerned no mention of the Stud boy though and very little about Rae all about you speaks volumes afterall silence is its own worst author

Deep rooted infections can take a very long time to clear take it all results have been sent to a Vet school for analysis rather than in house, I am on week 4 with a 16 week old kitten so know how hard things can be to clearup and sometimes changing the antibiotic works we are now on Synulox kitten is bounding around but the liquid slurry is till with us but we are now nearly there and hell he's cost a lot but he is a special boy so we pay the bills and move on

Liz · « **Reply #53 on:** January 28, 2013, 00:50:45 AM »

If your vet gives out personal information about your animals to anyone that phones or emails I would be changing my vet under the DPA its not allowed oh and thats UK wide not specific to Scotland - I checked! I also have no loyalty to anyone having read both sides of the story

Please don't patronise folks especially me about Chemotherapy having had it myself and watched my Mother have 4 extra years with Chemo and Radio therapy know how hard it can be and what it does to you both mentally and physically and to those around you we had excellent care of McMillan nurses so perhaps you should talk to them rahter than post personal details of you wife here

Also most folks lnow what Baytril is - I have the leaflet on the tablets and an injection in my fridge so have all relevant paperwork and its very easily looked up on line

Also having read the Mail on Sunday both the Paper and Online no sign of any article

Adding little things you wrote to me seems misplaced in this section

Liz · « **Reply #52 on:** January 27, 2013, 23:48:06 PM »

Adam you choose to post bits of emails supposedly from vets and breeders but all easily modified to suit what you want us to see

I just hope Rae is still your primary concern as well as your new Stud boy would hate them to lonely but presume both are still in isolation so it must be hard looking after your wife, the other cats and the new ones with all this stress can't be good all round or dividing your time amongst them all

Liz · « **Reply #51 on:** January 27, 2013, 23:22:18 PM »

Adam you named the cat with prefix it is there for all to see - I did copy the thread just in case you amend your post

caledonia · « **Reply #50 on:** January 27, 2013, 23:21:04 PM »

Quote from: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 27, 2013, 23:05:01 PM

If you know anything about pedigree naming the breeder is obvious in one of the posts and others on Purrs know the breeder.

I know other people on purrs know the breeder, obviously a lot of posts are defending the breeder. It's not important who the breeder is to me, I just wasn't sure if I was missing something reading it on a mobile as I don't think Adam has named and shamed. All I've gathered is they are in Scotland and the breeders husband is frank.

It's not important, I just hope that Rae makes a speedy recovery :-(

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #49 on:** January 27, 2013, 23:05:01 PM »

If you know anything about pedigree naming the breeder is obvious in one of the posts and others on Purrs know the breeder.

caledonia · « **Reply #48 on:** January 27, 2013, 20:23:30 PM »

Maybe because I'm reading this all through a mobile app I can't see any indication of who the breeder is. Maybe it is obvious to everyone else but I don't think Adam came on particularly wanting to 'oust' this breeder and the original post was just a general warning about buying cats you hadn't personally seen.

Sootyca · « **Reply #47 on:** January 27, 2013, 19:58:31 PM »

There are always 2 sides to the story then somewhere in the middle there is the truth. The truth is something which will only be truly known by the parties involved.

Here's hoping Rae gets better.

Liz · « **Reply #46 on:** January 27, 2013, 19:48:57 PM »

I have an email from the Breeder in question which gives a slightly different slant to what Adam has been posting on here and various other sites so I am going to send it to Tan and ask her tonhave a look then with her permission I will post the response from Pauline

I also have to say linda, Lottie and Pauline were all very helpful when I took on my rescue Bengal and all her issues had they not helped me through her integration and Bengal traits then she wouldn't be alive now as 2 large well known charities wanted to PTS

Lottie (Team Svartalfheim's) · « **Reply #45 on:** January 27, 2013, 17:56:29 PM »

I'm very shocked at this thread!

Whilst I do not know the breeders of the kitten in question personally I have met a fair number of cats they have bred at shows and their owners never had a bad word to say about the breeders and I am good friends with a breeder who has several cats from that breeder (2 of which I met very shortly after they arrived at their new home and they were in immaculate condition) Your only concern seems to be money. I am a very small breeder and one of my cats that I imported for breeding from is now an adult but has never bred, I'm not posting on every page I can find all over the internet about it and naming the breeder because at the end of the day these things happen, they are cats not machines.
All cats whether they are rescues, moggies, ferals, pet pedigree cats or pedigree cats from extremely prized lines used for breeding are living breathing animals not commodities.

Yes I would not have let a cat go to their new home on antibiotics but equally it was YOUR choice not to go and visit the kitten and the breeder. The breeder has refunded you the FULL cost of your kitten, they did not have to do that but they did. They offered to take the kitten back and YOU refused. As a breeder you would be well aware of the 'well known insurance companies' 4 week policies and therefore you could have chosen to take out a policy 2 weeks before she arrived so she would have been covered from when she arrived, Again YOU chose not to. You seem to be laying the blame at the door of everyone else who has ever been in contact with your cat but accepting no responsibility yourself.

I'm really not sure what your issue is about being refunded in Scottish notes, they are legal currency and the breeder was hardly going to go to the bank and ask for it all to be in English notes because you don't like Scottish notes and if they has sent a cheque you would no doubt have complained about having to wait for it to clear.

Other than defamation of character of the breeder and damaging the reputations of all breeders in Scotland I am not quite sure what you are trying to achieve?!

Rather than posting all over the Internet about your issue why not spend your time more productively looking after little Rae and spending time with your other new arrival.

Sue P (Paddysmum) · « **Reply #44 on:** January 27, 2013, 17:46:22 PM »

Adam, regardless of the ins and outs of this business, I do hope all can be resolved and good can come of it. Am very sorry to hear that your wife is so poorly. you clearly care for her a great deal, and our thoughts go to her - to you both in fact, as life cannot be easy.

Please let us know how Rae fares, and good luck with her treatment and recovery.

Liz · « **Reply #43 on:** January 27, 2013, 17:43:06 PM »

My sympathies for your wife

Liz · « **Reply #42 on:** January 27, 2013, 17:34:27 PM »

No comment on Raes future just a plug for a piece he wrote speaks volumes really

Sue P (Paddysmum) · « **Reply #41 on:** January 27, 2013, 17:32:06 PM »

Adam, we do wish.

At heart here is Rae' s welfare. It's clear from the fact you haven't abandoned her that you care.

from the legal standpoint, you paid for a breeding queen, but got a cat which was ill. Whether she will ever be "fit for purpose" remains to be seen. If she isnt then you have a case against the breeder, but as has already been discussed, you may never be able to enforce even if you decided to pursue it. Technically, as she had offered you your money back, you could have returned the cat, but as you have expended and incurred further loss, your outlays are not extinguished so you have a reasonable claim.

It doesn't ultimately make the position any more tenable.

I do hope something can be resolved, for Rae' s sake.

Let' s not forget the purpose of the original post was to warn people not to buy a cat "sight unseen" unless willing to take on an unknown quantity. No- one comes out of this well, and the heart of it remains a very sick cat.

Liz · « **Reply #40 on:** January 27, 2013, 17:23:29 PM »

From your post looks like if Rae is not suitable for breeding you will get rid of her, perhaps the best thing would have been to give her back to the breeders representative that called on you then it would be a fight over vets fees only not adding to the worry and sympathy you seem to be seeking

I hope whatever the outcome Rae is still the top priority not the financial side of things

Author Topic: Once Bitten Twice Shy (Read 15569 times)