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Re: Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2010, 14:11:35 PM »
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Re: Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2010, 12:18:36 PM »
Funnily enough, the most helpful book was one I was given, called "Veterinary Notes For Cat Owners" - the few books the college had were things like Robinson's cat genetics, which weren't much help at all. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Veterinary-Notes-Owners-Trevor-Turner/dp/0091751039

Also I book I found online by Victoria Aspinall was quite good (luckily I could see the relevant page online and reference the book  :sneaky: )
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Re: Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2010, 20:04:07 PM »
Will do - thanks. This is the first time we have been allowed to do cats but apparently, we will do more next year.
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Re: Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 19:31:07 PM »
No probs. If there's anything I can help with in future at all just give me a shout.
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Re: Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2010, 19:10:39 PM »
Well I managed to get it in on time. I obviously only scratched the surface with genetics but hopefully enough to get a pass.  :evillaugh:

Thanks Lottie  :hug:
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Re: Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2010, 14:32:42 PM »
Thanks Lottie. I have nearly finished, except for the records section but I can pad out others sections to get my word count  :evillaugh:

I think the "stock" thing was in the question as we could choose the animal which had to be domestic or companion. I think most are doing pigs and sheep.

Thanks for all the info - I have learned quite a bit today  :)
I couldn't stay 100% neutral and and to get my tuppence worth into the intro  :evillaugh:

« Last Edit: March 26, 2010, 14:35:00 PM by Mark »
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Re: Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2010, 14:32:24 PM »
I am off out now Mark so haven't got time to write any more but I hope that this may be of some small amount of use for you  :)
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Re: Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2010, 14:23:27 PM »
Managing matings:

Before allowing a mating to take place I always check that I have nothing planned for the time kittens would be due (as I would never not be here when I knew kittens were due) and also check my plans for the 14-15 weeks from when the kittens would be due to when they'd be due to leave at 14 weeks. If for instance I had a holiday planned but if I did the mating then the kittens would only be a few weeks old then I would not allow the mating to occur (or in the case of an unexpected mating like we had I'd cancel my holiday/hospital appt etc).

When introducing a female to a stud she doesn't know it needs to be done slowly as whilst some females are very submisive and will let a stud do whatever they want some dominant females can be absolute spitfires and terrorise the stud. Breeders who often allow outside females to visit their stud usually have 'queens quarters' built into the stud house that the female can be in whislt she gets to know the male and it keeps both cats safe during the introduction period. For breeders who don't allow outside females to visit or who only do on very rare occasions the queen is usually put in a large cat carrier or kitten pen whilst the cats sniff each other out and get to know each other.

Stud boys who have never mated a female before can sometimes need some help positioning themselves (Pinball tried many a time to mate Boopy's head, her back, her side etc unless helped into the correct position :rofl:).

Some breeders just allow the male and female to live together for 5 days so they can mate as and when they want, some leave females in until a few weeks before they are due to give birth whereas others only allow supervised matings where the queen is put in with the stud to be mated and then once she has been mated she is taken out and then put back in a while later to be mated again.

Supervised matings are common if it is an outside female you have allowed to visit your male (as you can then keep an eye on her at all times) or if a cat with an unknown corona status or a positive corona status is being allowed to mate with a corona negative cat as then the cats do not come into contact with each others litter trays therefore minimising the chance of the negative cat becoming infected.

When allowing an outside female in breeders need to carefully check the female cat before accepting her to stud to check she is not showing any signs of being ill or having ringworm etc, check that she is up to date on her vaccinations, check she has been tested negative for FIV and FeLV etc.

Not all cats will mate if you are watching them and so you then need to watch from where they can't see you or install cameras so that you know if a mating has taken place (although females make a major racket when they are mated so you can just listen out for that if you are nearby)
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Re: Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2010, 14:05:23 PM »
Selecting breeding cats (they are not 'stock'):

I have particular goals I hope to achieve with my breeding and so I select my cats on this basis. To bring fresh blood into my lines I import my cats. I look for cats with pedigree lines that I feel could be interesting combined with the lines of my current catsa nd I spend hours tracing the pedigree abck to the original 'novice' cats (the ones from the forest). I also do lots of googling to find pics of the kittens grandparents and further back if possible so I can see what those cats looked like.

When choosing cats I look at their type, their size for their age, their boning, I look very carefully at the strengths and weaknesses of the cat and compare them to the strengths and weaknesses of my current cats (anyone who tells you they have a 100% perfect cat is lying as every cat has faults no matter how tiny the fault may be!) as you do not want to mate 2 cats together who both have weak chins or wonky profiles for example. I also look carefully at the health of the kittens and its parents (and grandparents if possible) and the nature of the kitten and its parents.

I also ask the breeder to give me their opinion on the kittens strengths and weaknesses and those of the kittens parents. The breeders I have cats from have always been very good for emailing photos of the kitten from every angle possible to show me the important type issues like profile, boning, chin, body length etc.

No matter how stunning a cat was and how wonderful their pedigree I would never bred from a cat with health problems (or whos parents had known health problems) or from a cat with a nasty disposition.

If the mating I am interested in a kitten from has been done before I also ask for pictures of the cats so I can see how they have developed as they have matured.
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Re: Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2010, 13:48:48 PM »
Records:

I keep full details of the dates the cat was mated and based on that the expected date of delivery and who they were mated to. When the kitten are born I write down the date, the time, whether the placenta came with the kitten (so as to make sure that they are all out), whether the birth was normal or breech, birth weight, kitten colour, whether profile was straight and what chin was like at birth and any other notes I feel may be important. If a cat neded any assistance in delivering a litter or needed a csection I would also keep a note of this.

I then for the first 1-2 weeks weigh the kittens twice a day and put their weights on a weight sheet I have done and this I weigh them once a day until 8 weeks of age and then once a week (unless I am concerned) and I keep all the weight charts in a folder.
This not only allows me to keep an eye on the litter in question but also means I can refer back to it at a future date and get an idea of general trends of kittens from each queen.

It is also helpful to keep records of how the kittens develop (including after they have left as new owners often keep in touch and send photos etc) as then you can look at the long term development of the kittens to see what you need to improve on.

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Re: Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2010, 11:34:14 AM »
It's OK now thanks. I am working on it, armed with a few books from the college library. One of the best books is my own copy of Veterinary notes for cats owners. The college books are things like "Genetics for cat breeders and veterinarians"  :scared:

The assignment is due in today so I will just do what I can.
« Last Edit: March 26, 2010, 11:35:01 AM by Mark »
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Re: Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2010, 10:33:27 AM »
Im sure lottie could help you with what you need to know


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Tips on cat breeding needed
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2010, 23:08:56 PM »
Don't worry, I have no intention of doing it  :evillaugh:

I am doing an assignment on breeding and I chose cats. Obviously, I have to quote book refs etc but I can put in some sage words from the experts  :evillaugh: (I am trying to remain neutral but I have already slated BSBs etc in the intro  :evillaugh: )

Any tips or comments for any of the sections most welcome - thanks

These are the sections


Introduction (done) - I mentioned responsible breeding and gave an example screening for PKD in persians amongst other things.

Animal health requirements and management for the species
selection of appropriate breeding stock
managing the processes involved in mating
information on length (of) and special requirements during gestation/incubation
What is involved in the process of parturition
description of the animal's nutritional requirements at different stages
Description and explanation of the use of records

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