Makosi meant to be going in to be spayed tommorow :(

[forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa)]

Not too bad shes eaten breakfast and is now sleeping ,they r all sleeping apart from max
whos is chasing round the lounge making a buzzing sound like a bumble bee 

[Ela]

How is Makosi today?

[forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa)]

thank u everyone

[Ellie]

Glad she is feeling better today  

Hope you get some answers tomorrow xx

[Desley (booktigger)]

Fingers crossed for tomorrow, I do hope her temp is down.

[Gill (sneakiefeline)]

Great news 

[forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa)]

she seems good again today shes been playing loads and wanting treats and cuddles shes seeing vet tommorow and if all is well ill get her spayed next week x

[Desley (booktigger)]

Forever, how is she doing, and when is she next at the vet to see about her temp?

[Millys Mum]

I Didnt know u could get worm injection
how much is it and does it last for 3mths or more?

Wormers dont last for 3 months, they act at the time of dosing and dont stay in the body  Treating every 3 months will keep an average cats worms at an accepatble level. 2 of mine are done every 6-8 weeks because they hunt!

Droncit comes in a spot on or tablet.
Drontal are fine to use but if you fancy a change try Milbemax, i swap mine every so often.

[forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa)]

oh i forgot to add earlier
re makosi acting differently the vet said it might be because shes fed up with max keep hassling her all the time and trying to jump on her
as b4 we got max whenever she came into season she never had no male cat bothering her ( bailey is neutered and has been since 6mths besides he is gay anyway he has never been intrested in the girls that way always just wanted to b one of them lol )

[CurlyCatz]

forever drontal kills both tape and round worms. droncit as far as i am aware only kills tape worm.

I only know of droncit worming injection which again only used to kill tape worm so you'd still need to treat for round worm. but that product may have changed and there could be newer products on the market i dont know about.

[Catz]

Hope she gets better soon

[forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa)]

I Didnt know u could get worm injection
how much is it and does it last for 3mths or more ?

while we r on the subject of wormers which ones is the best ones to use
i use drontal cat tape and round wormer
someone said droncit was better ???????
what do u guys think .

as soon as shes over her fever n that shes def gonna b spayed now
as im very sure she isnt pregnant
and its for the best really
as i was so nervous and scared about her giving birth and didnt want her to have the liabilty of loking after kittens shes my baby and i just want her to enjoy a stress free life .

[Desley (booktigger)]

Fingers crossed her temp is better in 48 hours and that it isn't cos of anythign serious

[CurlyCatz]

correct gill !! i suspect the check in 48 hrs will determine her health status

also i meant to say

I agree she cant be pregnant

esp if 2 separate vets from different practices cant feel anything and she is supposedly 5wks  !

[Gill (sneakiefeline)]

I like the vet who would not PTS that cat and she will not be able to be spayed until the temp has gone I suspect, sure Lynn will correct me if I wrong.

But agree with Lynn get her booked in to be spayed

[CurlyCatz]

I agree she cant be pregnant...of course cats can get ovarian cysts and things and altho i cant rmember any of them to have caused symptoms they make play up with the hormones same as it can in humans ?

Ela there may be something knew now but the worming inj used to only be droncit which only killed tapes not rounds ?

my plan of action = get her over this bug/illness and get her spayed asap ! 

[Susanne (urbantigers)]

Poor Makosi - I hope she's feeling better soon.

lets face it she cant be pregnant coz if not surely one of the vets would of felt something by this stage .

I'd have thought so.  If neither can pick up any signs of pregnancy at this stage I think it's safe to assume she's not pregnant.  Assuming the vet still can't detect any signs when you take her back in 48 hours I'd get her booked in for a spay as soon as she's well enough.

[Ela]

ill wait for the wormer till shes better

You could always ask the vet to give a worm injection while she is under anaesthetic.

[forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa)]

ill wait for the wormer till shes better

im gonna have a good look at her nipples again in a sec

i told the vet about the runs i told her everything

lets face it she cant be pregnant coz if not surely one of the vets would of felt something by this stage .

once shes been checked over again and given the 100percent all clear of any fever etc then shes gonna b spayed and that will be the end of it i hope .

[Desley (booktigger)]

Did you tell the vet about Makosi's runs yesterday? That could be connected with the high temp. If no vet can tell for definite now, I would book her into be spayed, just in case there is something else going on that has caused her to not come into heat again. Do her nipples look pink? Apparently some breeders can tell by 2.5 weeks by the pinking up of the nipples, so I am puzzled as to why two vets can't, but it would be enough for me to get her done. Please dont worm her with her not being well. And different scales can show a different weight too

[Ela]

This is getting a bit like Faulty Towers now isn't it?

You should not worm a sick cat. Pregnancy and worms are not the only reason a cat will eat and eat and your vet will know that.

I think the time has come to make a decision in Makosi's interest.

As you know the voucher is valid until next week.

[forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa)]

Hiya , the vet said makosi has a very high temprature today 
shes given her an injection to bring it down plus an anitbiotic injection
ive got to see how she is witin 48hrs
the vet felt her tummy and said she doesnt think she is pregnant but isnt going t o guarentee it
she also said that her symptoms of being quiet and eating a lot would be a sign of pregnancy but she said shes sure she`d be able to feel something at this stage
the vet said her tummy feels quite normal
and there is no answers as to why she has this temprature today 
im in such a bad mood and im so upset
Bridie is showing signs of having another uti again which she only finished tablets for a week ago
im bk at the vets tommorow with Briidie ,
oh and the vet weighed makosi and said she was 3.05 kg
now 2weeks ago when my other vet weighed her she was 3.3kgs
im in such a state ! i dont know what the hell is going on shes lost weight that means 
shes been eating loads thou  im going in to my normal vet later and double checking she was def 3.3kg when she weighed her ,
my oh said maybe its coz they have different scales ???????
could that b the case do u think?would the scales sometimes read differently ?
the vet said the only things that would cause a cat to keep eating is pregnancy or worms  how the hell can she have worms when shes been wormed n delfeaed
and surely if one had it theyd all have it and be eating more????????
  there was a cat there with cat flu and it looked awful that upset me  and there was this stupid idiot woman who borught in a cat and said she wanted it put to sleep coz she didnt want it no more the vets went mad and said they werent puting a healthy cat to sleep and they were foning the cat n rabbit rescue to c if they could take the cat in 

i just dont know what to do now for the best
the vet said she wasnt going to make any appointment for a spay till she checks her over again in 48hrs to make sure she has no temprature and is well
shall i give her a drontal pill just incase even thou it aint due yet ??????

[Team Svartalfheims]

How did she get on at the vets?

[Susanne (urbantigers)]

Good luck and I hope you get some answers.

I would have thought that by now she'd be showing?  And her nipples pink and raised?  But then again I know next to nothing about pregnant cats.

[Ela]

ive seen her playing quite a bit and its made me happy

What will make me happy is if she is not pregnant and is spayed this week.

[forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa)]

10:30am
we have already booked the taxi
hopefully i may finally get an answer as to why my cat hasnt come in season 

her bowels are bk to normal today thank god
and she seems to have been more lively today 
shes been more like she use to be today  ive seen her playing quite a bit and its made me happy .

[Ela]

What time are you at the vets tomorrow, Forever?

[Gill (sneakiefeline)]

Becca this is a really interesting discussion and I know Lynn has started another thread for it, do you think you could move this post to the other thread.......its called Rebecca in chatting about none cat stuff..................if you cant move the post I will do it for you if you like.

I really think this thread should stick to the topic cos its still going on.

Its great to hear the piont of view from a person like yourself  (Intelligent and educated but with a disability) and I am sure others will be interested too 

[Beccles]

Lynn - I was talking about people with impairments that severe too. One of my best friends, P, has very very profound intellectual and physical impairments... not able to use the toilet, spoon fed soft foods only, drinks from a bottle as she can't manage a straw, no words or signs or 'formal' communication at all, just a little bit of body language and assorted little noises... people often confuse quality of life with functional impairment - you can have an excellent quality of life yet be fully dependant on others for meeting all of your daily needs, quality's about being happy and stimulated, you can be that even if totally blind and deaf, most profound intellectual disability, no independant movement, using a ventilator to breathe etc... people long term on ventilators have a tracheotomy so no tubes in their mouth or anything, no sedation, no pain relating to it. I absolutely  P and for some reason she seems very fond of me too, I get a BIG smile when we meet up and she gets v animated if someone holds the phone so I can talk to her. She was at special school which was really rubbish - she was bored all day and got very depressed and withdrawn, stopped responding to things, used to just go to sleep all the time, but then she went off to a specialist college and really came alive - they do loads of work on communication skills and music and stuff, she loved it... she's really into music and dance and things, she's a total bollywood junkie - all those bright colourful scenes. She finished her course at college in July and is now living in a shared house with 4 housemates with similar impairments, supported by a team of staff.

The little girl you're referring to is Charlotte Wyatt, she went home from hospital in October and is doing very well. She's currently with foster parents 'cos her poor dad developed some mental health issues and isn't quite well enough to have her on his own yet, but they're working on it. She does not experience constant pain, there isn't much to suggest she ever did really, she does have CP and probably some intellectual impairment and vision issues, but that's nothing compared to what they were saying when they wanted to be allowed to withhold resuscitation (which she hasn't needed since those court cases anyway - they won the last one so if she DID need it again, she'd get it). She'll be 4 this year, I think.

I can't walk or sit up on my own any more either, incidentally... I don't really think there's any such thing as a vegetative state, if someone's unconscious (coma) then that's that but if they're awake I'm pretty sure there's always some tiny flicker there... however far away and deep buried.

The genetic conditions thing is really really hard. I've got about the middle severity of my condition, in the most severe form the average life expectancy is mid 30s... because my partner is a woman I'm unlikely to ever have to make a decision about trying to conceive a baby and the risk that it would also have my syndrome, but it's incredibly complex. My quality of life is really really good, I've had a great run of it all and in a way I'd find it really hurtful if someone said that I oughtn't to have a baby because of risking them having the same thing, that implies in a way that my own life would be better off never happening, and that a 50-50 chance of a little Becca having the same syndrome is such an awful risk that it'd be better never to have a baby at all. As I said, chances are if we decide to become parents at all we'd almost certainly adopt... but I really don't think that anyone except a man or woman living with whichever condition it is, in that situation, can really make the judgement call there. If I did get pregnant I'd be at high risk of a very very premature delivery, which has its own implications in terms of possible impairment... but who could possibly parent a disabled child better than a disabled adult who's grown up with it all and already knows how to navigate the world as a disabled person? Certainly I'd find it easier than a non-disabled parent of a child with similar impairments to mine, I'm sure.

Obviously if the condition is one where the risk is of dead baby after dead baby... well thats a pretty awful set of choices to have to make, I have to wonder if there's something we don't know, either about the condition or about the poor mum's mental health because I'm really quite sure that nobody who was well would go through that process of decision making and come out on the side of 'go for it'.

[CurlyCatz]

what time is your app today forever ??

[Ela]

they tend to pick times when the vet are closed,

I can vouch for that I don't think I have ever had a cat give birth during the day. Also I cannot imagine a vet would be able to afford the time to say with a cat giving birth, although some are quite quick some take many hours.

[Desley (booktigger)]

Forever - it is good that your OH is putting food aside in case - you can't always guarantee on being able to get a home visit though, they tend to pick times when the vet are closed, and you have to go to the (more expensive) out of hours vet - it is also worth finding out where they are and how to drive to them just in case, as a lot of them wont do house calls.

[CurlyCatz]

im thinking of the the people who cant see / hear / sit / walk / feed themselves / communicate. (not just one or two or a few of the list but all and more)

No i didnt think for a moment you were attacking me rebecca, you have a right to ask since i posted in first place.

I think many disablements are mild that others see has severe..i mean people are still aborting for cleft palate..i would not, downs i always feel upset about as their are such varying degress but a test can only tell if it has it or not, not how ill it would be so i would prob hope for the best in that situation aswell and deal with it.

There was that case last year i think it was where the courts and all docs had said a baby was suffering and if she needed resusitated again (shed already been lots of times) she shouldnt be but the parents won the appeal, on that type of thing i agreed with the docs, there wasnt just one or two but lots of them all saying the same that the poor baby was not going to ever get better to a stage where she'd have any quality in her life at all, and she was in pain...I think she is still alive though and i hope she isnt in pain but there was aparently no recognition of anything with her and i dont think she was going to be able to live outside the hospital ever, she'd always be as helpless as the day she was born if not more so...It just goes against my own grain to allow a person to stay in a condition like that, constant pain and not able to understand why or know who anyone is...not even recognise or know what  a human is etc (i suppose perhaps vegetative state is the description im lookin for), no one would agree with keeping a cat or dog in that type of condition i dont think, they'd say you have to show them the last bit of love you can etc but in people we have to make them suffer the torture coz we have machines to keep them alive. (again talking worst cases)
I knew a girl with cerebal palsy, her parents were told she might not walk etc but she went on to be very studious and got extemely good high grades, learned to drive and i am sure she ice skated, if she didnt actually go on ice then she went all over watching competition as it was her first love..
I also know a little boy with i guess mild cerebal palsy, he was very prem and he is mainstream schooling with help, he doesnt appear affect that much physically tho.

I think its a difficult one as its all very well saying a person is all for pro life / pro choice etc but what if that person cant voice an opinion..how do we actually know they'd choose to carry on like they are esp where its modern technology that has kept them alive. ( i guess my son gets included there as he'd not be here if it wasnt for modern technology)

another thing along a similar lines i feel opinions on are women who are known carriers of a certain condition .. should they have kids or not, if you knew you were going to have a child with cf would you allow yourself to get pregnant ?? i also knew a woman(well sort of knew her, she was my landladys friend) who did just that twice, she had 2 and her son died from the cf and her daughter needed a lung transplant (i would strongly imagine she has since died too) , there was something on tv also last year or so documenting folk and this young woman had about 3 ok kids and had already had 2 babies i think who'd died from a rare condition and had been in and out of hosp and couldnt live without o2,poor quality of life etc,  she had a live baby with the condition but knew she could die anytime and it was only a matter of time and was trying to get preg again even tho docs had said chances are very high of same thing, and this condition meant apart from the illness they'd always live with they would die in childhood, again i got upset watching that the girl was purposely getting herself pregnant and refusing all tests etc.

[Beccles]

I have still got to finish reading recent posts but have just read gills interesting one.

Re the premature babies,  I agree that some the the terrible states these humans have to linger in until death comes is appauling but the biggest problem i reckon is if there are signs of life then obviously you must try and help and when its a "normal" but prem baby you have no idea really of what will lie ahead IE you cannot catagorically say they WILL have severe problems.

Take my son..he wasnt awfully premature only just over 4 wks which is nothing but my placenta hadnt worked and couldnt pass nutrition over to him from my blood supply so there for he was severely malnourished as a foetus and yes this has affected him to varying degrees, I should think my self lucky as it could be alot worse.

I agree where babies seem desparetely ill and doctors all agree 100% that there will be severe disablment/handicapped and give the parents the option of carrying on , altho i know how hard that would be having had a baby wired up and in an incubator I would not condem my child to a life like that.

also if i had been told i was going to have a severly handicapped child at my first scan i would not have carried on with the pregnancy but that would not have been a decision i could make lightly.

I think I may regret this but I can't bear not to...

"a life like that"... a life like what?

What does 'severely handicapped' mean to you... of course it's a personal decision and I'd never want to withhold someone's right to make that decision but it really really upsets me that so many of the supposedly awful 'severe' conditions are much milder than the impairments that I and my beloved friends and colleagues are living perfectly good lives with... quality of life's about being happy and stimulated and fulfilled, not about whether yer legs or bladder or brain work how they're meant to. I know that babies are left to die every day because their parents have come to the conclusion that they'd rather their child was dead than had cerebral palsy, or an intellectual impairment, or both... and try to kid themselves that it's for the baby's benefit.

I'm trying really hard to just express my feelings and not sound like I'm attacking anyone because that's not at all what I mean to do... so I'm really sorry in advance if this comes out sounding like it's having a go at you Lynn cos it's not meant to! 

[forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa)]

My oh has made up his mind makosi is defo pregnant
I Said well we will see tommorow wont we
he said ive already put some money to one side because i know you will insist on having a vet here while she gives birth knowing what ur like !    how rude !

i thought it was quite nice he has put some money aside just incase

and id feel better knowing we had the money here to pay if anything went wrong
because obviously a home visit would cost a lot more then going to the surgery

at least by this time tommorow i will know

im starting to feel like a bad cat owner for ever letting the situation arise

 

i want her to act normal again

 

[Ela]

stick to male dogs i say..must easier LOL

, don't they?

Obviously I something above before, but now have no idea what. Oh! I know  I wrote but they still need their 'bits' of

[Ela]

.this is a forum for all not the local

But no Patrick I expect. The best Musical I have seen is Buddy

[forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa)]

everyone who wished me luck for tommorow fanks ,
i will let u all know as soon as we been to c the vet .

[forever_missing_my_boys(Lisa)]

furbaby : no i havent seen it in london id love to thou .