thanks Beth, I've mentioned the girls but unfortunately they would prefer younger ones - I have no doubt that they will be very good owners and the preference for black and whites is good as well but they have got the usual idea of them watching them grow that people seem to be a bit fixated with - I did say that out of my four the only two that are lap cats are the ones that came as adults but unfortunately people can get a bit stuck with ideas - although like I say on the plus side I know once they get them they will be very good, they've been weighing up the pros and cons for months