Topic: New product for Kidney failure (Read 4929 times)

Millys Mum · « **Reply #27 on:** December 24, 2008, 19:27:20 PM »

Get some spare syringes and then email the company with some design tips!

Mark · « **Reply #26 on:** December 24, 2008, 19:21:51 PM »

Problem is, how to dose it - it is like a toothpaste pump.

Millys Mum · « **Reply #25 on:** December 24, 2008, 19:16:03 PM »

Id dose it straight down with a dish of food after, messing with their grub is a good way to ruin a cats day!

Mark · « **Reply #24 on:** December 24, 2008, 09:41:24 AM »

It's quite a messy, sticky paste so I don't think it would be practical to get it into a capsule.

swampmaxmum · « **Reply #23 on:** December 24, 2008, 09:31:44 AM »

just a thought and it may not work as not sure how practical it is, depends on the binder consistency - can you get the binder into a small gelcap and give it to him like a pill just before his food? sorry if dumb suggestion.

clarenmax · « **Reply #22 on:** December 24, 2008, 09:12:01 AM »

I've run out of ideas now, brain hurty

Mark · « **Reply #21 on:** December 24, 2008, 09:09:22 AM »

Thanks Clare - I will try that as well. I don't think it will mix very well as katalax is oil based and renalzin is water based - I will give it a go though.

clarenmax · « **Reply #20 on:** December 24, 2008, 09:05:36 AM »

Another idea ......... could you mix the paste in with some Katalax paste, that might disguise the taste/smell?

Mark · « **Reply #19 on:** December 24, 2008, 09:03:27 AM »

It's a paste so I don't think adding water would make any difference. I wish they would coat these things with something the cats can't smell. I notice they say it is tasteless but odourless is the issue with cats?

He hasn't come down for breakfast so the sooner I can get him on the renalzin and Zylkene (thanks Kate), the better. He obviously is under the weather.

Is Max's binder an aluminium or calcium one. I was just looking at Tanya's CRF site and she says that someoe in Germany tasted Renalzin and it has a mouldy taste. She says that if the cat won't take it, then use aluminium binders. I still have some alucaps but thought Renalzin would be better due to added kaolin. I'm a bit concerned as it says the preservative is banned in Japan and Australia.

clarenmax · « **Reply #18 on:** December 24, 2008, 08:58:24 AM »

With the powder binder Max is having, its a very light powder which mixes easily into gravy senior food, and he generally eats that fine, but not so much on the 'oh so meaty' food which is dryer.

Can you try mixing it in a bit of liquid then adding to the food? That might also work?

Mark · « **Reply #17 on:** December 24, 2008, 08:12:32 AM »

Thanks Helen,

I will give it a go. Dennis came shopping with me yesterday and picked up 2 pots of Shippams paste. One of them is Beef & Chicken so I will check for onion content. Otherwise, I will go to Asda next week.

Tiggy's Mum · « **Reply #16 on:** December 24, 2008, 08:03:21 AM »

What about mixing it with beef sandwich paste (no onions/garlic though). I sometimes did that for Tiggy's SEB powder as that was a big old capsule! If I remember rightly the mid range Asda one was the only one I could find with no onions/garlic.

Mark · « **Reply #15 on:** December 24, 2008, 08:01:58 AM »

Quote from: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 23, 2008, 20:33:37 PM

Stop using it!

Not a very helpful comment. It is something that if I get get him to take it will not only make him feel better but probably make him live longer. I want to do the best for him.

Mark · « **Reply #14 on:** December 24, 2008, 07:58:51 AM »

Thanks Gillian

I didn't think of that - I will give it a try. Its amazing how much 1ml is - it totally changes the colour of the food when mixed in. I will try from today. It would be interesting to know if others are having the same issue. If I can get him to take it, I'm sure it would help him a lot.

Gillian Harvey · « **Reply #13 on:** December 23, 2008, 22:37:54 PM »

Mark I would add just the teeniest bit to his food to start with and mix it right in - bit like when you are trying to change their diet from one food to another, then gradually increase it until he is getting the full amount - I mean, over at least a week or more.

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #12 on:** December 23, 2008, 20:33:37 PM »

Stop using it!

Mark · « **Reply #11 on:** December 23, 2008, 19:40:10 PM »

Well C;apton won't touch food with it in

The dose is actually 2 - 4ml a day so I thought 1ml per meal would be fine. It is surprising how much 1ml is. I tried emptying 1/2 pouch on the plate, then the stuff and then the other 1/2 on top. As soon as he hit the stuff, he stopped eating. Just now, I tried mixing 1ml in a pouch and he wouldn't touch any of it

Any ideas?

Mark · « **Reply #10 on:** December 20, 2008, 11:50:37 AM »

Concerns with this. It says 2ml (1ml pump) to be given once of twice a day depending on feeding. I assume it only binds with the meal it is taken with. What do you do with a cat that eats 4/5 times a day? (doesn't eat all of it).

I suppose the best compromise is to bind regular "treat" food and feed senior (reduced phos) inbetween.

Mark · « **Reply #9 on:** December 20, 2008, 00:19:44 AM »

I'm sure it must be this as all previous ones contained either Calcium or aluminium. In humans, there were concerns about the aluminium ones causing dementia. There were also issues with the calcium ones.

swampmaxmum · « **Reply #8 on:** December 19, 2008, 23:02:50 PM »

Before my vet went away he mentioned a new spray binder for food. I'll try to find out on monday from the nurse if it's the same stuff - he didn't give me a name, just said it's much better than the aluminium etc phos binders.

Millys Mum · « **Reply #7 on:** December 18, 2008, 19:46:18 PM »

Quote from: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 18, 2008, 11:53:39 AM

Taste neutral sounds really good as long as that is also smell neutral

Think thats where most 'taste of nothing' things go wrong becasue one sniff and they are off

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #6 on:** December 18, 2008, 11:53:39 AM »

Taste neutral sounds really good as long as that is also smell neutral

This sounds very good especially as I need to watch out for stuff like this now incase Franta has a problem.

Mark · « **Reply #5 on:** December 18, 2008, 10:15:48 AM »

This is supposedly gentler as there can be issues with the calcium or aluminium ones. Also this is excreted in a safer way. They claim it is "taste neutral" - I will let Clapton be the judge of that

- If it really is, it will be great to feed them food they like. I really don't trust a restricted protein diet for cats.

clarenmax · « **Reply #4 on:** December 18, 2008, 09:25:17 AM »

Thanks Gillian, I'll look into that. At the moment I've got a binder in powder form which I just sprinkle on Max's wet food (which fingers crossed he seems to be eating at the moment)!

Mark · « **Reply #3 on:** December 18, 2008, 00:58:00 AM »

I will order some from VetUK tomorrow. I notice they are selling a renal food I haven't heard of as well - Purina NF. I will look into thatl although don't hold out much hope.
http://www.vetuk.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2598

It looks like it is similar to renegel that Iwas looking into as it doesn't contain calcium or aluminium

I see it is excreted in the faeces so safe

I asked my chemistry tutor how binders work but she doesn't know - she said she is going to look into it for me

Mark · « **Reply #2 on:** December 18, 2008, 00:34:21 AM »

Thanks Gillian,

The vet mentioned increasing Clapton's Fortekor dose today. Obviously I would want bloods done before agreeing. Something like this might help. I hadn't noticed but OH said Clapton is losing weight. Anything that might help him is welcome.

I wonder if activated charcoal might help absorb toxins as well?

Gillian Harvey · « **Reply #1 on:** December 17, 2008, 22:55:48 PM »

Don't know if this has been posted about before - I'm sure someone will tell me LOL! Anyway, its called Renalzin and it seems to be a new type of phosphate binder in paste form. It might be useful for renal cats whose phos levels are too high and who won't eat the renal diets (and why would they? LOL!) It also contains kaolin (supposedly to absorb toxins) and vitamin E to reduce free-radicals. http://www.viva.vita.bayerhealthcare.com/index.php?id=36&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=12721

I also looked at the Renalzin webiste - but not a lot happening there at the moment! www.renalzin.co.uk

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