Hippy, you obviously haven't seen the thread about Lucy, she came to us at over 8kg, she came from Kelly to me at near enough bang on 8kg, and the vet has shaved the worst off, I just want something to keep it under control enough until she has lost enough to reach herself - Tom was heavier than her, but never had any probs keeping himself clean - although Ginger did, yet he was only 1kg overweight, but he rarely let me sort him out, only time my laidback cat turned a bit hissy spitty!! I might try the sink option when she is a bit lighter, but not yet!!