Topic: My Friends Kitten is really poorly - RIP Little One (Read 11348 times)

Dawn F · « **Reply #43 on:** April 25, 2008, 08:39:23 AM »

I think the stress of being in the cattery would probably be the answer Michelle although of course I'm no expert

Desley (booktigger) · « **Reply #42 on:** April 25, 2008, 08:14:45 AM »

Can't say exactly what I think, as the censorship would kick in, but along the lines of bad cattery. i think it was because they were in a cattery though, and would have been stressed, so their immune system would have been able to let the virus mutate more. One of the sites I posted a link to did say something about catteries. The majority of cats who come into contact with the virus will deal with it and shed it, but it depends on how good their immune system is on how it reacts to the virus, a poor immune system will allow it to mutate slowly, hence dry FIP, and a very poor would allow it to mutate quickly hence wet FIP, which is the worst. The other alternative of course is very bad luck that they had 10 carriers in at one time, but the last stats I Read were about 3% will get FIP, so that really would have to be bad luck.

Michelle (furbabystar) · « **Reply #41 on:** April 24, 2008, 22:43:56 PM »

Quote from: Desley (booktigger) on April 22, 2008, 07:58:06 AM

i am sorry to hear this, but there may be no risk to the other cat - FIP is a mutation of the Coronavirus, and it doesn't always mutate, the stats are quite low. RIP Alfie

See this is what i cant understand -
How come after the 1st case at the cattery i worked at, over another 10 cats who had been at the cattery died from FIP ?

Felix (Caroline) · « **Reply #40 on:** April 22, 2008, 12:40:10 PM »

I am so so sorry for your friend Sheryl, R I P Alfie xxx

sheryl · « **Reply #39 on:** April 22, 2008, 10:40:15 AM »

I will pass all your messages to Julie, I gave all mine extra huggles this morning and am so grateful that they are all so healthy and happy. Makes me so sad that Alfies little life was so short but as I have said to Julie while he was on this earth he was loved.

Bazsmum · « **Reply #38 on:** April 22, 2008, 09:45:04 AM »

Aw what a shame!

to your friend.....

RIP Sweet Alfie xxx

Dawn F · « **Reply #37 on:** April 22, 2008, 08:40:29 AM »

I'm so sorry to hear this, as others have said coronavirus rarely turns into FIP and a leaflet that I got from CP said that 80 to 100% of cats in a multicat household will carry coronavirus. She has been horribly unlucky but I know that is no consolation

Desley (booktigger) · « **Reply #36 on:** April 22, 2008, 07:58:06 AM »

i am sorry to hear this, but there may be no risk to the other cat - FIP is a mutation of the Coronavirus, and it doesn't always mutate, the stats are quite low. RIP Alfie

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #35 on:** April 21, 2008, 23:45:57 PM »

So sorry to hear this

RIP Alfie

Gillian Harvey · « **Reply #34 on:** April 21, 2008, 22:33:06 PM »

I'm so sorry to hear this, RIP Alfie

pappilon · « **Reply #33 on:** April 21, 2008, 22:03:40 PM »

Oh poor baby. I am really sorry.

RIP little Alfie. xx

sheryl · « **Reply #32 on:** April 21, 2008, 21:12:24 PM »

TBH Sam it really does sound like FIP because apparently he was playing this morning and suddenly started gasping for breath and died within minutes (Julie sent me a copy of the Email from the breeder) the worrying thing is that is seems likely that Julies older cat could be a carrier and she has got her Snow Bengal girl who is only 7 months old at home. I just hope and pray that this one stays healthy.

I will pass on your condolences Sam, she is inconsolable at the moment.

Sam (Fussy_Furball) · « **Reply #31 on:** April 21, 2008, 21:00:48 PM »

oh no ... not the news we were hoping for.

Please pass on my sincere condolences to your friend. Do they know what the problem was?

RIP Alfie baby ... play hard at the bridge little man xxx

sheryl · « **Reply #30 on:** April 21, 2008, 20:58:17 PM »

Im really sorry to have to say that little Alfie went to the Bridge this morning.

RIP little one xxx

Dawn F · « **Reply #29 on:** April 17, 2008, 08:25:05 AM »

I hope it is diet related, poor little babe

Gill (sneakiefeline) · « **Reply #28 on:** April 16, 2008, 19:06:14 PM »

Keeping fingers crossed for him

sheryl · « **Reply #27 on:** April 16, 2008, 19:03:51 PM »

Hi Dawn, I spoke to Julie last night and he is doing okay, still playing and eating well. The breeders vet is still convinced that it is not FIP and says that the condition could be realted to diet.

He is having tests done on Friday so finger crossed.

Dawn F · « **Reply #26 on:** April 16, 2008, 15:23:58 PM »

any news on the little one Sheryl?

Ela · « **Reply #25 on:** April 14, 2008, 09:38:29 AM »

Quote

pancreatitis it took a year for the vet to diagnose it, apparently rare in cats

Although admittedly more common in dogs, I do hear it frequently in cats. I hear for instance far less cases of FeLV., mind you that is since the FeLV injection has become more popular.

sheryl · « **Reply #24 on:** April 13, 2008, 20:31:51 PM »

Maisie survived 11 months but I know that it was a rough time for all of them and she was on steroids most of the time, at one point both her eyes went black and Julie thought it was the end but she got over that, when she started having fits was when they decided it was time to pts.

Desley (booktigger) · « **Reply #23 on:** April 13, 2008, 20:22:40 PM »

Actually, one of the sites I read last year said that cats with dry FIP can have up to a year.
Fingers crossed for him.

Millys Mum · « **Reply #22 on:** April 13, 2008, 18:55:00 PM »

Fingers crossed Alfie will be ok

Quote from: Lesley (Eight Lives Left Kitten Rescue) on April 11, 2008, 21:50:59 PM

Also, I believe that wet FIP, ie fluid in the abdomen, can be treated more succesfully than dry FIP.

Wets the worst stage

George had dry but was heading to wet when i had him pts. Cats with dry FIP can live some weeks, George had symptoms for about 2 months before he got really bad.

Dawn, iv not heard of a rouge gene, do you have any articles on it? Most sites go with stress as the trigger eg rehoming/multi cat home.

Maddiesmum · « **Reply #21 on:** April 13, 2008, 18:48:49 PM »

Good luck Alfie

sheryl · « **Reply #20 on:** April 13, 2008, 17:13:49 PM »

She lost Maisie in Jan Desley, 11 months after she was fisrt diagnosed.

Little Alfie went back to the breeder yesterday, he has seen her vet who is convinced that he does Not have FIP, the breeder has never had corona virus. Her vet thinks it is a protein related illness and is confident that they can see him through this, fingers crossed for this little soul.

The breeder is going to let Julie know how he gets on but he will be staying with the breeder who was really upset that the vet who saw him on Friday wanted to put him to sleep.

Thankyou all so much for your good wishes and input, I will let you know how he does (the breeder is going to call Julie and let her know)

Desley (booktigger) · « **Reply #19 on:** April 12, 2008, 17:51:32 PM »

I truly hope it isn't FIP, I hate seeing those three letters, and sadly they do seem to crop up more and more. How long ago did your friend lose Maisie? Does she know what colour the fluid was? IT is normally a straw colour in FIP. This is an interesting article

http://www.moggies.co.uk/articles/fight_fip.html

Here is an article that explains what happens when cats come into contact with the virus, and how it develops - it actually depends on their immune system

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1&cat=1316&articleid=212

Maddiesmum · « **Reply #18 on:** April 12, 2008, 11:40:09 AM »

My Dragan has pancreatitis it took a year for the vet to diagnose it, apparently rare in cats.

Christie · « **Reply #17 on:** April 12, 2008, 11:26:25 AM »

Pancreatitis can also cause some fluid in abdomen; Lucia was diagnosed with that (not easy to diagnose). It is treatable, though.

Gillian Harvey · « **Reply #16 on:** April 11, 2008, 23:11:54 PM »

Quote from: Lesley (Eight Lives Left Kitten Rescue) on April 11, 2008, 21:50:59 PM

I tend to agree that vets jump to the conclusion of FIP too often and use the term too loosely as well. I have read acrticles etc by vets saying that they have tested cats for FIP when they have actually tested cats for the corona virus.

Yes, thats exactly what happened with Gwynnie, it was one of the first things my vet mentioned - that she could have FIP. She did have high coronavirus titers of 2,500 but all that meant was that she had an active coronavirus infection, not that she had FIP - and she's absolutely fine now. But at the time all I was hearing was my vet saying FIP and then of course when the titers came back so high.....its hard to think anything different, but then Gwynnie got better and it wasnt the doomesday scenario my vet was predicting.

LesleyW · « **Reply #15 on:** April 11, 2008, 22:04:47 PM »

As I understand it FIP in itself is not contagious, corona virus is contagious and it is the corona virus that cats test positive for. FIP is a mutation of the corona virus that can be brought on by stress, illness, etc. If I remember correctly, it is thought that only 3% of cats that carry corona virus go on to mutate into FIP. FIP is still a very complex and misunderstood disease, which is why Vets tend to label so many symptons to it. If they say a cat has FIP and it dies it is no surprise, if it survives they have worked miracles and are heroes.

The best site to read through is Dr Addie's site with regard to FIP but even on there they state that alot is still unknown.

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #14 on:** April 11, 2008, 22:02:48 PM »

Quote from: furbabystar (Michelle) on April 11, 2008, 21:56:12 PM

gosh i am so sorry.

I have seen too many cats die from FIP and hate the virus with a passion. It went round a cattery i worked at with devastating results

As everyone else has said, it is so hard to test too and almost every cat you would test would come up positive.

This is where people get confused, FIP isn't actually contagious, the cat has to carry the rogue gene for it to mutate and not all cats have it. Usually if it's going to hit them, they are usually under 4 years old. The Corona Virus however is contagious but as you said, most cats if tested, will come up positive.

Michelle (furbabystar) · « **Reply #13 on:** April 11, 2008, 21:56:12 PM »

gosh i am so sorry.

I have seen too many cats die from FIP and hate the virus with a passion. It went round a cattery i worked at with devastating results

As everyone else has said, it is so hard to test too and almost every cat you would test would come up positive.

LesleyW · « **Reply #12 on:** April 11, 2008, 21:50:59 PM »

I tend to agree that vets jump to the conclusion of FIP too often and use the term too loosely as well. I have read acrticles etc by vets saying that they have tested cats for FIP when they have actually tested cats for the corona virus. It is almost impossible to test a living cat for the FIP but many cats can carry the corona virus without it ever developing into FIP. Also, I believe that wet FIP, ie fluid in the abdomen, can be treated more succesfully than dry FIP.

I'm sure my Vet jumped to the conclusion of FIP with Kay Cee because we all believed that was what Pagan had, but I think Kay Cee did not have FIP, she never had any contact with Pagan, and was denied veterinary treatment because of this mis-diagnosis. Hence, I do not use this Vet anymore even though I used to work for them. In my opinion they let Kay Cee die because of suspicion of FIP.

gibraltarcat · « **Reply #11 on:** April 11, 2008, 21:48:26 PM »

How terribly sad. Sending lots of

to your friend and healing vibes to Alfie

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #10 on:** April 11, 2008, 21:47:23 PM »

FIP is going to be paramount in your friends mind and also the vets the fact she has lost Maisie. I know this will be the case because when I was starting to help the breeder with her cats and we had Coco, Simba, also Vita with the Corona Virus and sadly the gorgeous Pagan had FIP, as soon as anything went wrong, immediately you think FIP and Lesley will verify. My first worries with Becky was FIP and Sean admitted that was the first thing he thought. I pray for Alfies sake it isn't, god love him

Quote from: sheryl on April 11, 2008, 21:42:21 PM

Thanks Dawn, I wish there were more vets like Sean around. I will drop her a text with the info

He is one in a million I have to say

sheryl · « **Reply #9 on:** April 11, 2008, 21:42:21 PM »

Thanks Dawn, I wish there were more vets like Sean around. I will drop her a text with the info

sheryl · « **Reply #8 on:** April 11, 2008, 21:40:52 PM »

I think what has made it worse for them was losing Maisie to FIP she had all the signs of FIP and even went blind at the end, so she is convinced that Alfie has gor FIP. He is eating well and still plays, from what I can make out the only thing wrong was his extended tummy.
I am just hoping that the vet is wrong.

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2008, 21:34:00 PM »

Just had this text off Sean, I asked him what else would cause fluid on abdomen.

Liver impairment, heart disease, renal disease. Any protein loss, ie any of above, severe gastro intestinal disease

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #6 on:** April 11, 2008, 21:29:26 PM »

Some vets are a

nightmare

FIP isn't contagious and the cat has to carry the rogue gene so highly unlikely. How is the kitten in himself? I have to admit, I did have a needle test done on Becky a couple of weeks ago, she has a fat tum on her and I was concerned. Luckily there was no fluid but even if there was, it doesn't mean 100% it is FIP. It may be worth the breeder having a blood test done for the Corona Virus and seeing what the titre levels are. Fingers crossed it's something that can be sorted and I would agree that some vets jump to conclusions. They tend to do this when they don't know and first sign of fluid, they think FIP

sheryl · « **Reply #5 on:** April 11, 2008, 21:20:01 PM »

They came from different breeders Gillian, one from Cumbria and the other from Essex.

I agree Dawn and thats why it has come as such a shock, the vets took Xrays of Alfiie and said that he has got a lot of fluid in his abdomen, they took some fluid, she is in the Cambs area. The breeder is convinced that it is not FIP and IMHO the vets seem a bit too quick to "write off" a little life.

Dawn (DiddyDawn) · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2008, 20:54:19 PM »

FIP is extremely hard to diagnose on a live animal and it is also relatively rare, so seems strange that both have been diagnosed with it

What test did the vet do and I'd been interested to know what area she is in. Sending positive vibes and I really hope this little one makes it

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