thank you sam and gill. When i first saw apophis i was almost in tears with rage, You could not see the colour of his paws we thought he had four black feet not white. he was down to the skin at the base of his tail, and just below his ears, he had more knots in his fur than fur, we couldnt even have him inoculated at the time as our vet said that the slugishness it would cause would probably finnish him off. He could not even get to the bottom shelf on the cat tree. We didnt dare have him out side in a pen even though they are heated, so made a nest for him in the ouside shed that had full central heating installed. We just kept him warm and fed for the first few days untill he started to get nosey then let him out. In three weeks he was looking a lot better we now had most of the tangles out and his fur brushed, The bath will come after xmas when he is totaly secure with us but he is now clean and his ruff is starting to come back, At last now 10 weeks after he arrived he is starting to use the cat litter trays we have for him. We had to change the litter when it showed he didnt like walking on our orriginal cat litter, and at last he is starting to have toilet not the horrid green we first had. i will post one i n february for you when he should be back to his full glory.