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Title: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 04, 2008, 12:51:33 PM
Swampy fell off the cushion on top of the chest of drawers in the window where he sleeps, got his head and neck stuck between it and the next door bit of furniture. I wasn't in the same room so don't know how long he was like that, but I heard a thump and went to look and he was convulsing, kicking his legs frantically and foaming at the mouth. I freed him and brought him to the sofa where he was breathing very heavily and I cleaned up his mouth and have been comforting him for about 3/4 hr. I finally got hold of the vet's nurse (he is operating) who said to try to feed him. I did and he ate a 1/2 can in one gulp of food - normally would eat that in 2 or 3 meals. He is hyper and miaowing and wobbly on his legs, but has been purring a bit too - but seems not to recognise where he is and is very distressed.

I am freaking out (vet can't see him until tomorrow unless I think he is seriously ill - Swampy had been at the vet for bloods & a medical earlier this morning too) in case Swamps has some brain damage. Do you think it is just shock? I am now going to cuddle him again and keep doing that all afternoon. Max is yelling too as is scared of him in his current state.

How long should I wait? I will check back in here in about an hour.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 04, 2008, 13:03:13 PM
Oh no, poor Swampy  :hug: I know your vet can be a bit funny but I would insist that he sees him today, hopefully he's just a bit shaken up but I'd definitely get him seen just in case  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 04, 2008, 13:31:20 PM
I left the room for a sec and when I went back in 5 mins later I saw his tail fuzzy and he had then wet himself and is hyperventilating. I rang and insisted so we are going in at 2.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: MrsR on September 04, 2008, 13:34:00 PM
Oh sweetie how upsetting for you both  :hug: glad you are going to the vets and sorry you had to insist until they agreed to see you.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 04, 2008, 13:39:39 PM
Poor Swampy, and poor you  :hug:

I hope he is just in shock, but I'm glad the vet has agreed to see you both.  Best of luck and hope all goes well  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Dawn F on September 04, 2008, 13:46:18 PM
hope swampy is ok  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Den on September 04, 2008, 13:48:24 PM
Poor Swampy  :hug: :hug:

Sending lots of good thoughts his way.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: nicchick on September 04, 2008, 13:56:20 PM
Got my fingers crossed for you both

nikkix
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 04, 2008, 14:19:54 PM
Ahhh poor swampy ... and poor you.  Keeping everything crossed that it all goes well at the vet and the swampster gets the  all clear  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on September 04, 2008, 14:23:35 PM
Poor Swampy and poor you  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Hope Swampy is okay
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Mark on September 04, 2008, 14:31:08 PM
Poor Swampy & poor you  :hug:

I hope he is OK  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 04, 2008, 15:59:51 PM
Gosh how scarey, I hope everything's ok  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 04, 2008, 16:13:09 PM
Swampy's in an oxygen tent in hospital. He's got IV steroids and whatever and had a huge dose of valium to stop the convulsions. When I put him in his carrier to take him down to the vet, he went into convulsions so I had to put him on my lap and just drive. Then at the vet he started convulsing again. The vet said he didn't know Swamp had been having convulsions or would have said bring him straight in - I DID tell the (very good) nurse. Anyhow they allowed me to stay and they have done what they can do. Even Xrayed his neck (seems ok but you can't tell if there has been brain damage without MRI which he's not going to have). The vet says getting his neck and head trapped and the shock, then it suddenly getting worse and him not being able to stand or walk means that the spinal cord got damaged and fluid has built up - which is now being drained with steroids and diuretics. I stayed with him for a bit but can't talk to him as he's deaf. I will go back at a 6pm to see him for a few minutes. Swamp will stay in overnight and apparently we should know tomorrow or saturday if he will be all right or if he's not going to make it.

Please send my littlest one all the positive vibes in the world. I can hardly see to type this. I was quite calm at the vets but now it just sinks in.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Dawn F on September 04, 2008, 16:14:35 PM
omg I am so sorry, hugs to you and swampy  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 04, 2008, 16:17:00 PM
Am sending all the positive vibes I can for poor Swampy and  :hug: for you.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on September 04, 2008, 16:17:46 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:  :hug: :hug: To you both.

Thinking of you both and sending every positive vibe I can
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 04, 2008, 16:21:11 PM
Oh sweetheart, am so sorry that this has happened, and sending all possible positive vibes for you and Swampy, bless his heart.   :hug: :hug:

I hope things are looking more stable and positive when you go in this evening. 
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 04, 2008, 16:27:04 PM
Sending all my positive vibes over to Swampy this evening  :hug: :hug: :hug:

And a huge  :hug: for you too, try to stay calm and think positive  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sheryl on September 04, 2008, 16:38:35 PM
Love, huggles and positive vibes for Swampy xxxx

 :hug:   :hug: for you  :hug:   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Den on September 04, 2008, 16:42:03 PM
Oh my gosh I'm soooooooo sorry  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Sending lots of hugs and good vibes  :cuddle:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 04, 2008, 16:48:12 PM
 :hug: to you all and thanks for the comfort. In the night will be crucial as the drug is a fast acting steroid which wears off every 6 hours I think he said. if his brain's full of fluid or damaged, I suppose we will know when it wears off. I am just praying for him all the time. He was not too bad initially, ate, then couldn't walk any more and kept convulsing so the vet thinks it's fluid build up on his brain from thrashing about with his head stuck. Please pray for him or if you don't pray, then think very positive vibes for the wampa. thanks everyone for being here for us.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 04, 2008, 16:49:50 PM
Am sending all my prayers and positive thoughts - the lot - for your little feller.  We all are.   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Dawn F on September 04, 2008, 16:51:50 PM
Its so awful that such a simple thing could turn into this - you both have my prayers
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: kris on September 04, 2008, 17:01:55 PM
Oh my god, this is awful, I have to admit I thought in your initial post it was just a fright he had got, I took eating as a really good sign and hoped he would relax and get over it.... your poor thing and poor swampy, I'm sending all my good wishes that the steroids do the trick  :(
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Team Svartalfheims on September 04, 2008, 17:14:10 PM
I am sending prayers to you and Swampy. I cannot imagine how you must be feeling at the moment but I really want to send you a big hug  :hug: Have a sit down and a cup of hot sugary tea as you are in shock yourself.

What an awful thing to happen from what could have been such a minor accident if he'd landed slightly differently.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: LesleyW on September 04, 2008, 17:16:14 PM
So sorry to hear of this terrible accident Swampy has had and sending all positive vibes for him and lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: for you both. 
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 04, 2008, 17:16:30 PM
What a terrible thing for Swampy and you.  He is in my prayers and hopefully he will recover quickly.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Feline Costumier on September 04, 2008, 17:19:46 PM
Asking all the angels for all their help to do what is best for poor Swampy.

What a horrible, tragic accident that could happen to any one of us. How precious every minute with the ones we love is.

Lots  :hug: for you and Swampy.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 04, 2008, 17:38:00 PM
Oh poor Swampy.  I'm sending the most positive thoughts I have to him and hugs to you.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Catbird on September 04, 2008, 17:46:52 PM
How awful for both of you, such a freakish accident.  I do pray and will pray for both of you.  Don't be upset that he can't hear you, he will know you are there from your scent, from your touch and just because they know that sort of thing.  I have to log off but this will be the first thing I click on tomorrow morning.

With love,

C.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gwen on September 04, 2008, 17:54:00 PM
I cannot even start to imagine how your feeling right now,please be reassured that he is in the best place and that they will do their best for him.

Thinking of you all :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: ginge66 on September 04, 2008, 18:49:00 PM
How awful for you both, sending lots of positive vibes for Swampy :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 04, 2008, 19:12:12 PM
Got back from the vets and had a chat to him. Swampy is still on a drip and may well have more valium tonight to stop him fitting in the night. Then we have to see tomorrow at 9 how he is and how he does overnight. The vet was really nice but (this could help others I hope) there is a 3 hour window after an 'event' like brain or spine damage and convulsions. I got Swampy treatment in 2 hours so we hope and pray that it is enough. I'm trying not to get angry as rang the vets within 15 minutes of it happening as I KNEW really it's not just stress from falling.
His kidney and liver results are worse too from before hand - kidney 15 and 235 or something and liver doubled up to 87. The vet says that the steroids aren't wonderful for his kidneys either but that they help his liver, but without them he has no chance anyway.
Swamp was very weak but sat on my lap and nuzzled my OH for a second, which made us both teary. It's so helpful to know all of you out there are pulling for him. Thanks and bless all of you  :hug: I am trying to be positive but it is just so hard.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 04, 2008, 19:22:22 PM
It's really hard, but you have to stay positive.   We're all willing your little man to pull through from this.  I reckon we all understand how you feel about the fact you contacted the vet immediately, but try not to focus too much on that, and just concentrate on Swampy getting better.  With so much love coming your way, he stands a very good fighting chance.   :hug: :hug:  Keep strong, sweetheart.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 04, 2008, 19:23:42 PM
  With so much love coming your way, he stands a very good fighting chance.   :hug: :hug:  Keep strong, sweetheart.

And from me too :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 04, 2008, 19:28:27 PM
OMG poor swamp ... I have asked St Francis to look out for your special boy and my gang are all sending lots and lots of positive vibes to you, Max and of course swampy  :hug:

Get well soon baby  :Luv2:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 04, 2008, 19:35:07 PM
Oh my goodness i have only just seen this  :'(

I have sent a prayer up that Swampy will be ok xxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 04, 2008, 20:16:24 PM
OMG poor Swampy.  Keeping everything crossed and sending loads of get well vibes for him.  And lots of  :hug:  :hug:  for you.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Baggy on September 04, 2008, 20:17:54 PM
Oh, poor Swampy - we've got all our fingers and paws crossed here and are sending hugs, furry headbutts and good vibes his way.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 04, 2008, 21:09:20 PM
i have everything crossed for him, what an awful accident.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Mark on September 04, 2008, 21:15:43 PM
Hoping to hear some good news soon  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 04, 2008, 21:43:32 PM
Have only just come in and seen this...........what a terrible thing and am sending all my positive thoughts for Swampy  :hug: :hug:

I do hope that he will be Ok and lots of these   :hug: :hug: :hug: to you too.
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Post by: The Duchess on September 04, 2008, 22:53:34 PM
 :hug: poor swampy and you - fingers and all eight paws here crossed that everything works out well by tomorrow
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 04, 2008, 22:53:59 PM
Thinking of you both  :hug:  Hope to hear good news in the morning  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 05, 2008, 05:56:03 AM
I'm so sorry.  I will keep everything crossed here too and pray that Swampy pulls though.  How hard this must be for you.  Get Well Swampy. :get well:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 05, 2008, 07:23:11 AM
Just wanted to top up all the positive vibes for Swampy, and hoping that you have better news today.   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: MrsR on September 05, 2008, 07:56:01 AM
OMG sweetie I don't know what to say  :hug:  sending poitive vibes x
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 05, 2008, 08:53:26 AM
Hope Swampy is well on the road to recovery today.
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Post by: clarenmax on September 05, 2008, 09:03:43 AM
I'm praying for good news today  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Mojo on September 05, 2008, 09:07:06 AM
Poor poor Swampy  :-[

Sending postive vibes and gentle headrubs. Get well soon xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: ems on September 05, 2008, 09:28:17 AM
Oh poor Swampy  :hug:

Sending lots of healing vibes from me and the girls  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 05, 2008, 10:17:44 AM
I've just got back from visiting him. He's in a cage and has eaten a little. He had a purr for us both but is so weak. That is the positive. The terribly worrying thing is that he is sitting on his back legs at a funny angle and seems unable to move them. I didn't see the vet as he was consulting but he will call me later and I will hope to go back to see my little boy again. The nurse said there is brain inflammation as also Swampy seems unable to see much if at all. He couldn't see his food bowl for example. He is still on his steroid drip but made no attempt to move towards us and no miaowing when we came and left, which is what he did when so ill with cholangiohepatitis.  Having seen my little boy just lying there with his back legs splayed out and so passive, I'm desperately worried. I couldn't hold him and I hope to hold him later on today. But just hearing his purr and kissing his head was so important. Please keep the prayers and positive vibes coming as he needs all the help and love he can get.

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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 05, 2008, 10:29:51 AM
The poor little man.  You must be so worried and anxious.  Let's hope he improves over the day.  Will keep checking for updates.   :hug:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 05, 2008, 10:58:06 AM
Got everything crossed for him and another  :hug: for you
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 05, 2008, 11:06:50 AM
Still praying for Swampy -
I went to bed thinking about him and woke up thinking about him.
I am going out today and wont be back till the early hours but will check this thread as soon as i get in.

Sending you a hug  :hug:
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Post by: Gwen on September 05, 2008, 11:07:32 AM
We are all on Swampys side here,come on boy you can do it :hug:

Stay positive,I always say where theres life,theres hope,dont give up on him yet :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 05, 2008, 11:18:45 AM
Thinking of Swampy.  Come on, Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on September 05, 2008, 11:25:25 AM
Poor Swampy, I'm not religious but I am praying that he improves,  :hug: :hug: :hug: xx
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 05, 2008, 11:34:56 AM
Thinking of you and Swampy  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 05, 2008, 11:52:06 AM
Poor poor Swampy I feel so sad, so hell knows what you are feeling.  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Sending loads of good wishes for Swampy, come on little man you can do it  :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on September 05, 2008, 12:16:48 PM
Sending love and positive vibes for Swampy xxx

big  :hug: for you Hun xxx
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Post by: Feline Costumier on September 05, 2008, 12:22:05 PM
No news is good news.

Come on Swampy. You are in all our thoughts today, be a brave little man.
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Post by: dabs on September 05, 2008, 12:22:57 PM
The legs issue may be due to the fact that there is some pressure on the spinal nerves that tell the legs what to do or there is some pressure on the brain. With this it is a case of wait and see to see what happens when any swelling on brain/spine goes down. Not very comforting I know, but in things like this it is a waiting game I am afraid.  :(

Tragic thing to happen for you and hom, hope all goes well.
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Post by: MrsR on September 05, 2008, 12:39:59 PM
Just want you to know I am still thinking about you both and sending vibes  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 05, 2008, 12:46:22 PM
still no word from the vet but the nurse thinks Swampy's stable, but with no real progress. As you say dabs, it looks like being a terribly tense wait. I hope to hear from the vet in a couple of hours after he's finished ops. In the meantime, I've been spending a lot of time looking at this pic taken so recently of my little Wampa sitting with Max. I hope it posts ok. The compass was after I read that cows all stand due north according to google earth, so I was playing with them and wanted to see if my 2 boys did the same. My Swamp is the bravest boy I've ever known - he's had a big op in Aug 06, cholangiohep in Sept 07 and now this, plus travelled across continents twice. It's a comfort to know how you understand just how hard this is.  :hug:

(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/IMG_3677.jpg)
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: MrsR on September 05, 2008, 12:57:38 PM
Beautiful photo sweetie, wish I could do something to help I really do  :hug:
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Post by: Den on September 05, 2008, 13:45:55 PM
Like MrsR says, beautiful photo  :Luv:

All fingers, toes, tails, and ears crossed here for you and Swampy  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: JackSpratt on September 05, 2008, 14:41:41 PM
Hoping Swampy is recovered VERY soon.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 05, 2008, 15:10:10 PM
Sending good healing vibes to Swampy. :hug:  Beautiful picture. 
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 05, 2008, 16:17:41 PM
very quick post for obvious reasons: the vet says no-one is at the surgery all weekend so Swampy has been disconnected from his saline drip and sent home. He ate like a madman - in a frenetic way he's never eaten before and miaowing, yowling but walking slowly around. He saw a piece of tape I was moving and batted at it - but then walked straight into a door and a wall and through a pootray without seeing it. The vet says we must nurse him over the weekend, not leave him alone at all (as if I would) and has given me a 1ml valium syringe for his bum if he has any fits at all - then it's the emergency vet.
I am pretty terrified as he is still very unwell. Vet said he may have had some small strokes as well but that he'd be depressed all alone in hospital from now until monday. Then we can re-assess on monday if he doesn't need emergency treatment at the weekend, which of course he might. Typing v fast as must go and nurse.
The vet said Swampy nearly died yesterday so we may have a horrible decision to take quite soon as it will depend in a week or less on how he copes with being brain damaged.

So lovely as it is to see his little face in the flat, please keep thinking of us and if you have any suggestions, let me know please. This is so unexpected. I had thought he would be in hospital for about a week.

PS he doesn't seem to recognise the lounge or the flat at all either. Hyper agitated. Hope the vet knows what he's doing.
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Post by: Feline Costumier on September 05, 2008, 16:25:38 PM
I don't have any advice but just a quick one to say keep us posted and lots of vibes love and :hug: to you both.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 05, 2008, 16:50:07 PM
an hour now. I can't stop him pacing and miaowing and longer yowling. I'm scared he will exhaust himself and trigger a fit. At the vets he just sat in a cage of course. I've shut him just in the lounge/kitchen area. Sprayed feliway. He walks all round the room, in and out of pootrays and into walls all the time. I can't hold him or get him to purr or calm down at all.
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Post by: LesleyW on September 05, 2008, 17:00:02 PM
Sending all the best to you and Swampy.

I remember when we had cats in the hospital who were suffering from fits/convulsions, we used to keep the lighting very low as it was felt bright lights could bring the fitting on.  Don't know if this is a help but thought it was worth mentioning to you.  Lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you both.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: kris on September 05, 2008, 17:04:18 PM
Might seem cruel but is there any way you could put him in a carrier or something to stop him getting agitated or coming to any harm, just so he might get some badly needed sleep.

Thinking of you both and hoping he calms down  :'(
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: dabs on September 05, 2008, 17:04:40 PM
I know he has just come out of a cage, but have you one that you could pop him back into just so he gets used to the sights and sounds of home again. If he gets too stressed it could kick off another fit.

If not happy with that a darkened room somewhere?

He is showing signs of brain damage and the confusion and pacing indicates that there is still some swelling. Humans get very agitated as the brain swells. It will seem new to him as he no doubt has some amnesia as well, if too concerned call the emergency vets on the best way to handle him.

Seems like there is a visual impairment as well, damage to the cortex perhaps?

Good luck with him.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 05, 2008, 17:14:22 PM
Might seem cruel but is there any way you could put him in a carrier or something to stop him getting agitated or coming to any harm, just so he might get some badly needed sleep.


Yes, i think I agree he might be best confined in a carrier for now if you don't think that would upset him more, difficult to know what to do for the best I'm sure.  :hug:
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Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 05, 2008, 17:15:52 PM
What a heartbreaking story.  I do feel so bad for you and dear Swampy, bless his heart.  Sending you warm hugs and get well wishes. :get well 3:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 05, 2008, 17:22:16 PM
I have no suggestions but wanted to send you some positive thoughts and love for you and Swampy.  Come on fella.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 05, 2008, 18:33:12 PM
he finally fell asleep in my arms as I picked him up in desperation. He slept for an hour or so against me. I have the carrier the vet lent me, but he finds that stressful too. I will try to keep the room gloomy and am confining him to the lounge. I will just have to try picking him up after he's paced for a while but will keep the carrier and towel to cover it handy just in case. I'm hoping by the morning (with no fits, please God) he will have got used to the lounge. How long do you think it should take? He clearly recognised my OH when he came home as woke up and started to purr. I was also worried that all the sudden exercise and stress would trigger a fit. Very tricky. The cortisone he had yesterday with the valium have made him manically hungry - we are feeding him quite a bit without stuffing him on the basis that a full tum = less stress.
Is that right?

PS he's deaf so can't get used to any sounds unfortunately. I'm hoping the lounge will be less stressful than the hospital cage.

PPS OH rolled out a futon mattress normally used as our sofa and he's gone to lie down on it (hopefully, hopefully a good sign) although is lying in a crazy position with his nose and head straight down on the blanket. I'll be sleeping on it tonight (or lying on it tonight). Max is displeased and is mostly keeping his distance but also hissyfitting although as Swamp is deaf it doesn't SEEM to bother him.
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Post by: kris on September 05, 2008, 18:46:35 PM
Oh that is good news, the sleep will have done him good, eating and drinking is good too, has he had a pee or poo yet?

Poor soul he must be so confused and poor you as well, it's just so upsetting when they get themselves in a state and you can't console them or explain things to them....

It really sounds as though you are doing the absolute best that you can and giving him the best chance to get through this, the rest is beyond our control sadly.

Still sending good thoughts for you all.

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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 05, 2008, 18:48:49 PM
thanks Kris. Yes 1 pee and 1 poo in different trays.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 05, 2008, 18:59:07 PM
my heart goes out to Swampy and you  :hug: :hug:

Kocka had detached retinas and therefore had on off blindness, she used to get very distressed when she went blind and her sight wasnt good anyway but try not to move things in the room unless necessary and if Swamp is having probs with sight and is deaf , then he needs to be able to plot his way around if he is moving.

Often they will use walls to guide themselves around.

 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 05, 2008, 19:14:41 PM
Keeping watch with you, Swampmaxmum  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 05, 2008, 19:18:01 PM
Its all sounding like progress, I do hope so anyway  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 05, 2008, 19:43:12 PM
When my Bridge baby Guinness had a bad convulsion the emergency vet said to keep the tv off and the lights low and keep her as quiet as possible so it sounds like you are doing all the right things.  Must be so stressful and worrying for you all.  Hope tomorrow brings a big improvement
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on September 05, 2008, 19:56:58 PM
Sending healing vibes Swampys way  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on September 05, 2008, 20:00:31 PM
OMG just seen this , praying hard for poor Swampy. :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 05, 2008, 20:19:42 PM
Poor Swampy.  Glad he's had a sleep.  It must be horrible for you watching him like this.  I hope he will settle down when he realises he's home among familiar things and people.
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Post by: Schmew on September 05, 2008, 20:22:06 PM
Just caught up, you must be soooo worried  :hug:

Hope he settles and is ok for you this weekend, take care

x
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Post by: caledonia on September 05, 2008, 21:06:44 PM
Just reading this now - just sending positive vibes for you and swampy - it will be a tough weekend but hopefully some light by the end of it.  :hug:
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Post by: Corporal Smokey on September 05, 2008, 21:07:39 PM
OMG just read this for the first time as MrsR has sent me a message to say she wants an update and she has you very much in her thoughts as I do  :hug:

All the best Swampy xxx
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Post by: Baggy on September 05, 2008, 21:36:30 PM
Glad he seems to be a little more settled now and that he's been using the loo properly.  We still have everything crossed.  Hope you manage to get a little sleep tonight and that Swampy has a good night.
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Post by: clarenmax on September 05, 2008, 21:40:30 PM
Still keeping fingers and toes crossed for a full and speedy recovery over here, hope Swampy manages to get some more rest tonight  :hug:
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Post by: Catbird on September 05, 2008, 21:41:28 PM
Still very much thinking of you.  I cannot imagine how awful this must be for all of you but it also seems to me that as Swampy works through his confusion and illness, he must be very comforted by the fact that he is with his hoomans and is being nursed so well by them.  It must be reassuring to him, I'm sure.

C.
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Post by: Millys Mum on September 05, 2008, 21:51:09 PM
Best wishes for you and Swampy  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Would he settle in a dog crate? I understand how distressing it is to see them constantly pacing and walking through things, when ^george^ got ill he got to the point where he would walk through the water bowl and then the trays  :( he had CNS trouble from FIP.
I used to try and settle him in the one room on a big folded throw, i would often find him stuck in the shoe rack tho so any small gaps like that i would reccomend you fill so he doesnt do the same thing.

 :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 05, 2008, 22:41:33 PM
Fingers crossed he can pull through this, but I am surprised your vet doesn't have an agreement for out of hours 24 hour care.
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 06, 2008, 01:32:44 AM
Still have everything crossed for you both  :hug:
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Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 06, 2008, 06:43:24 AM
I hope Swampy is showing signs of improvement today?  Everything crossed here too.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 06, 2008, 07:44:09 AM
sending love and warm wishes to you and Swampy this morning, and hoping things have improved overnight.   :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 06, 2008, 09:17:48 AM
Hope Swampy had a restful night and is feeling so much better this morning.
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Post by: LesleyW on September 06, 2008, 09:34:39 AM
Just sending morning good wishes to you and Swampy, hope you both managed to get some rest last night  :Luv2:
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Post by: Mark on September 06, 2008, 10:47:51 AM
Hope you both have a better day today  :hug:

 :ahh: for Swampy
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 06, 2008, 11:01:11 AM
Swamps had a reasonable night. We spent the night on the futon mattress with him (OH snored, he can sleep anywhere, unlike me!). He spent 2 hours taking off his leg bandage (from the drip) and had the odd pace and yowl, but otherwise slept or rested at least. This morning he is very like he was straight after the accident -ie restless still and pacing unless you hold him or sit with him on the futon. He's peed (and drunk) lots - 3 pees so far this am, one of them huge - and eaten at 6am in 30 secs what he'd normally take at least 10 mins to eat - then told me he wanted more (howls). But I can't overfeed him. The restless, little miaow, some yowling, pacing and settling on futon + appetite is just like thursday. So maybe it means some improvement but I still feel that if he was a younger cat there'd be less of the 'take him home for the weekend and we'll make the big decision next week' about this. Plus if he was a human, he'd still be in hospital obviously.

There's the vets now group who cover a/h. They are only for stabilising animals so he would have to go there if he has another fit or deteriorates. My vet says I can text him.

Does anyone know if brain swelling or inflammation goes down eventually on its own, or do you need a drip and diuretic (or anti inflammatory or whatever) drugs? I'm hoping to speak to the vet after his surgery this morning and before they close at 12.  He is a sole prac vet so gets very busy.
Swampy has just lain down by himself while I type so that is good....but he won't be left alone at all this weekend. Thanks again for your thoughts and prayers for the wee boy.  :hug: and purr from him too. The miaowing has just restarted and I can't calm him with voice (deaf) so time to log out. xx

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Post by: kris on September 06, 2008, 11:16:39 AM
Like everyone else I had to come here first thing to find out how his night went... I can't help but feel that eating, drinking, peeing and pooing are all great signs but I'm not an expert on head injury/brain inflammation, from a quick google, corticosteroids are used to reduce inflammation in the brain but I would assume that the most important thing at the moment is to ensure/hope he doesn't have any more fits and beyond that it may just be time but hopefully others will know more.

I'd hope that regardless of age the vet would give you the best advice possible and perhaps there is no other treatment beyond time now and being at home with familiarity and calm is the best place for that to happen... but maybe you need vet advice to put your mind at rest.


Best wishes still.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 06, 2008, 11:55:55 AM
Yes I'm sure you are right Kris. Every minute feels like an hour and you just want him to 'get better'. The vet says he doesn't know exactly what's wrong (no MRI) so it's hard to know how to treat. Anyhow he will stay confined in 1 room for now and lots of TLC.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 06, 2008, 12:08:05 PM
This must be a nightmare for You  :hug:

I agree with Kris that eating must be a good sign.
Is it worth getting him seen by a specialist ?


Hope Swampy gets better soon xxxxx
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Post by: tab on September 06, 2008, 12:43:27 PM
What a horrible thing to happen. I really hope Swampy has a good weekend and is on his way to recovery soon
love
Tab
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 06, 2008, 12:49:02 PM
I can't comment on brain swelling in cats but in 2005 my daughter caught viral encaphalitis which caused her brain to swell.  She was unconscious for 5 days and then behaved in an extremely bizarre manner for the next three months.  She received large doses of steroids and I am more than happy to report that she is fully recovered now.  Let's hope Swampy responds as well as my daughter but, hopefully, in a much shorter time.  I, too, have been regularly checking for updates and have remember you and Swampy in my prayers.  :hug:
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Post by: kris on September 06, 2008, 12:52:04 PM
I know... you poor thing, I bet everytime he wakes up you are hoping he will be back to himself again and when he's not it must be so upsetting. but it's still early days, it probably takes time for brains to return to how they should be which is probably why the vet is talking in terms of next week.

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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 06, 2008, 13:20:07 PM
 :hug: :hug: Sorry I didn't get a chance to catch up with this yesterday.  Glad to hear Swampy is at home, eating, drinking and going to the toilet.  Sending lots of love to you all  :Luv2:

Come on Swampy baby all your purrs family is routing for you little man xxxx
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Post by: dabs on September 06, 2008, 13:43:17 PM
It depends on the extent of the swelling, but the reason for the steroids is to reduce the swelling as the brain will press against the skull and will cause further issues as the shull is pretty tough. He will eat and pee like no tomorrow due to the steriods so this is normal for a cat on steriods.

Are you still giving him steriods at home? 
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 06, 2008, 14:43:00 PM
Just logging in to send more best wishes to Swampy and  :hug: to you, Swampmaxmum  :hug:
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Post by: Gwen on September 06, 2008, 16:32:44 PM
Stil got everything crossed and praying for lil Swampy and your family.

Theres one thing for sure he knows he's very much loved and that believe it or not will help him in the recovery process.

Come on Swamp  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 06, 2008, 16:58:48 PM
Just come on and wishing Swampy another good night cos sure sleeping must help a bit.  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

You must be exhausted with watching over him and the worry so lots of these   :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for you too and do hope he shows some improvement.
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Post by: Kirst on September 06, 2008, 18:19:01 PM
Just wanting to send Swampy some more prayrers an good vibes xx :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on September 06, 2008, 19:56:51 PM
I hope swampy is settling at home  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 06, 2008, 20:00:42 PM
think the cortisone is wearing off. He got IV of it of a short acting one and isn't on any tabs at home. He didn't eat as well tonight, actually left some and is sleeping really soundly pretty much all the time. I haven't been able to get a purr out of him for some hours now. I've noticed that his normal, favourite under the chin rub isn't happening as he doesn't want it - think the back of his neck must be so sore that he doesn't want to lift his head, which is why he sleeps nose down too maybe?
I just hope he feels a little better in the morning and thanks again to you all for your support and the love sent his way  :hug:
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 06, 2008, 20:16:53 PM
Fingers crossed for him, sadly I have no knowledge of this, i have had a cat who fitted and had to be on morphine, but sadly she didn't pull through, so he has done better than she did.
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Post by: Baggy on September 06, 2008, 20:30:33 PM
I've noticed that his normal, favourite under the chin rub isn't happening as he doesn't want it - think the back of his neck must be so sore that he doesn't want to lift his head, which is why he sleeps nose down too maybe?
After what has happened he must feel like he has a terrible crick in his neck.  Hopefully now he's coming down off the steroids the sleeping is a good sign.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 06, 2008, 20:36:10 PM
Just came on to wish you and Swampy a restful night with more improvement in the morning.  God Bless you Swampy :hug:
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Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 06, 2008, 21:52:24 PM
Aw, my heart really goes out to you and dear Swampy.  I sure hope he pulls through this.  God bless him. :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 07, 2008, 07:41:32 AM
Just wanted to top up all of the healing vibes and good wishes for Swampy this morning.  Hope you all had a quiet night.  Sleep is very healing for the body, so hoping that today you may see even further improvement.  He's bound to be feeling very sore and uncomfortable.  Special hugs for Swampy, you and your OH.   :care:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 07, 2008, 10:15:06 AM
yes we had a quiet night thanks. He ate quite well this morning too. He is still fairly unresponsive with purrs and his legs are very weak. Maybe that's the lack of cortisone giving him a boost too? Just going to sit with him today but I wondered if I should try to get him to walk a bit or not, sort of to prevent him getting even weaker? I'm not quite sure how much he can see either.  I hope so much that he is improving by being calmer but guess it's still too soon to know. xx
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 07, 2008, 11:30:19 AM
Am so glad you had a quiet night.   As cats sometimes purr when they're in pain, an absence of purring may not necessarily be an absence of content, but more an absence of discomfort.   Because he's suffered brain trauma, it will take time for things to settle back to normal, so weakness and wobbliness are not uncommon.  I would just do what you've been doing, keeping an eye on it to monitor how he is, but I wouldn't try to rush things, particularly given the fact it's a weekend, and your full veterinary services aren't available.    I think he's done so well so far, as have you and your OH.  Keep up the good work.  Loving care has done more to restore many a soul back to good health, animal and human.   :hug:   Keeping those positive vibes coming your way.  :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on September 07, 2008, 12:58:46 PM
Awwwwww guys you have been in my thoughts all weekend, sending  poistive healing vibes x
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 07, 2008, 13:15:57 PM
It is good that he had a restful night and has eaten.  I do not know, of course, but my instinct would be to agree with Sue: do not rush things, just let Swampy gradually recover in his own time.  I can imagine you feel as if you ought to be doing something, but I suspect that by being there with him, you are doing what you can.

You are back to the vet tomorrow, arent you (I forgot to check the earlier part of the thread before posting this)?

 :hug:
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Post by: Rachel(Rachette) on September 07, 2008, 13:33:05 PM
Awwww..i've only just read this thread..& i really dont know what to say..my heart goes out too you all..things are definately sounding more positive as the days go on though..sending huge hugs & positive vibes to swampy  :Luv2: hope your alright too, hugs to you too..wish there was something i could do to help...
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 07, 2008, 14:23:25 PM
So pleased that Swampy had a good night and like Christine, my instinct is to agree with Sue too.  ;D

Sending loads of healing vibes to Swampy and let the rest bring him strength. I also agree that lack of purrs is not necessarly a bad sign, stay calm and you are looking after him so well  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 07, 2008, 15:56:25 PM
Glad Swampy had a good night.  Like the others I think you are doing all the right things and it will just take time.  Maybe ask your vet if there is anything more you can do.  Swampy is lucky to have you to care for him
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Post by: MrsR on September 07, 2008, 16:53:54 PM
Hope tonight is a good one x
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Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 07, 2008, 17:38:47 PM
Just checking in to see how Swampy is doing.  I'm glad to hear that you had a better night.  You're in my thoughts and prayers.  Get Well Swampy so your mummy will not have to worry anymore. :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on September 07, 2008, 18:37:04 PM
Sending lots more vibes over to Swampy, hope he has another good night xx
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 07, 2008, 19:48:00 PM
I'm glad he had a relatively quiet night - and hope he continues to imrove  :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 07, 2008, 20:02:57 PM
Sending more get well vibes for Swampy and more hugs for you  :hug: :hug:  I'm sure that being at home is the best environment for him to be in at the moment.  Just having you around will help him feel better.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 07, 2008, 20:07:15 PM
Topping up the vibes, sweetheart.   :hug:
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Post by: ChrisB on September 07, 2008, 20:20:58 PM
Sending lots of get well vibes and hugs for you and Swampy.
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Post by: ems on September 07, 2008, 20:25:40 PM
Just topping up our hugs and good vibes quota  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Corporal Smokey on September 07, 2008, 21:21:24 PM
Adding a few more vibes to the pot.

I know MrsR will be thinking of you too  :hug:
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Post by: Stuart on September 07, 2008, 21:40:21 PM
OMG just found this thread  :(
Here's some healing vibes for You and Swampy
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

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Post by: Zenith (Liz) on September 07, 2008, 23:45:30 PM
I've only just seen your thread, I'm rooting for you all!

Feel better ASAP Swampie xx
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Post by: bunglycat on September 08, 2008, 00:01:03 AM
I have been following this thread - just didn''t know what to say!
So, sending lots of healing vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: from me and the gang in Lincoln - Sophie , Smartie, Winston, Bungly and Madame Fi Fi .
Hope Swampy continues to improve day by day until he is back to his normal self.
You are doing him proud and whist you are there fo him -it will help him recover i am sure of that .
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 08, 2008, 06:12:29 AM
I hope you and Swampy had a restful night and that he is feeling much better this morning.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 08, 2008, 07:04:10 AM
Sending more positive healing vibes for Swampy this morning.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on September 08, 2008, 08:32:41 AM
Topping up the vibes from us as well  :hug: :hug: xxxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 08, 2008, 09:18:38 AM
thanks and  :hug: everyone, it's so lovely to have your support and understanding. Swampy had a quiet night. I'm going to find out today if watching TV (it's only 1m from the futon mattress that he's living on on the floor) and switching on the lights above his futon could hurt him. We've been in darkness for the weekend but I'm so tired, that's ok! His cold is tuning up a bit so I'm now stressing about him starting to cough or sneeze as read somewhere that affects pressure in the brain. But he had a purr in my arms this morning after his brekker (although I had to show him where the plate was) and he's such a brave little boy.  If I have any news later on I'll post but thanks again for all the thoughts, prayers and mega good vibes as I'm sure they are helping.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 08, 2008, 09:22:34 AM
That sounds really encouraging Kate.  And I know having won a purr from him will make you feel so much better  :hug:  He is a brave little boy, bless him.
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Post by: LesleyW on September 08, 2008, 09:28:00 AM
Glad to hear he had another good night, and all this time without fitting must be a good sign.

Sending lots more cuddles and positive thoughts to both of you. :Luv2:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 08, 2008, 10:47:54 AM
Keep it up Swampy you brave boy
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 08, 2008, 11:13:51 AM
That sounds like fighting spirit from Swampy.  Still thinking positive thoughts, as is OH.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Kirst on September 08, 2008, 11:23:10 AM
Just popping in to top up the good vibes - keep on going Swampy! :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: MrsR on September 08, 2008, 12:41:59 PM
So glad Swampy is on the up and up :)
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Topsy Turvey on September 08, 2008, 12:46:28 PM
More vibes and  :hug: for you both x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 08, 2008, 13:36:18 PM
More vibes from me and Max also xxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: hannah (weeny) on September 08, 2008, 14:04:42 PM
felt so sick reading this  :'(

everything is crossed here that he continues to do well, and more good vibes heading your way  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 08, 2008, 17:26:54 PM
Loads more good vibes from me, you are doing so well Swampy  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 08, 2008, 18:02:10 PM
Swampy's not moving from the futon really. Don't tell swampmaxdad but he got a meal on a hand held plate there this afternoon too, as his appetite's a little bit down from the steroids wearing off, he was wrapped in a warm fleece and didn't want to come to the kitchen! He shows no interest in trying to move out of the lounge either so I'm spending my time next to him and hoping that during the week and the one after we see a steady improvement. The vet doesn't want to see him unless there's anything urgent or he stops eating. He also sent a message via his nurse that we can keep the lights on and watch TV - the TV's only about a meter from where he lies. I might carry him in my arms around the flat tomorrow to see if he can see anything or is interested in anything, will see how it goes.
Again, bless you all for your support, it means so much  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 08, 2008, 18:10:53 PM
Keep your chin up sweetheart.  He might not be showing as much interest at the moment as he did before, but he's been through one helluva lot and he will take time to recover.  He's eating, which is good.  He's responding to you, which is good.  He hasn't had any further fits, which is excellent.   :hug: It's perfectly natural that you're willing him on to greater things, and I'm certain in time he'll do more and more.  I know so well how this feels, because it was similar for us after Paddy had his stroke - we didn't know at first if he'd recover, then it was how well he'd recover.  It was a slow process but one that was worthwhile keeping faith with.  Me and Paddy are sending lots more positive healing vibes   :care: to join those of everyone else.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 08, 2008, 18:15:20 PM
i would take things at swampys pace and let him do whatever he can without trying to push him. its very early days yet and i think he has done so amazingly well  ;D

slowly and surely i think will be best  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 08, 2008, 19:03:57 PM
Topping up the vibes and hugs from me too.  It sounds like he is getting there slowly in his own time.  Good news that you got a purr out of him!  ;D
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Post by: sheryl on September 08, 2008, 19:09:53 PM
More love, huggles and positive vibes for Swampy xxxx

Thinking of you Hun x take care of yourself xxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: tigerbaby on September 08, 2008, 19:44:19 PM
Just seen this now, sending you all the healing thoughts, vibes, loud warm fussy purrs and a few gentle headbutts from Jameson.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 08, 2008, 20:12:58 PM
He's had a nasty accident and shock, sleep is nature's way of healing.  Lots of love to the little fella.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 08, 2008, 22:04:59 PM
Still have everything crossed here.  Get well Swampy!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 08, 2008, 22:25:01 PM
Sleep well Swampy good vibes  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: MrsR on September 08, 2008, 22:27:08 PM
Sleep well Swampy  :Luv: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Baggy on September 08, 2008, 22:55:29 PM
Here's hoping he has another good night - I'm with Maddiesmum, sleep helps your body to heal.
Fingers and paws all still crossed.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 09, 2008, 06:16:08 AM
Hope you and Swampy had a good night and hope he is feeling much better today
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 09, 2008, 07:14:44 AM
Topping up morning Purrs and snuzzles for Swampy and still sending positive vibes and healing thoughts for your brave little feller  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Kirst on September 09, 2008, 08:10:56 AM
A last minute top up before I goes on hoilday - Gizzy  , Jerry, Fredcat and Beavis all send lots of purrs an chin rubs for Swampy. :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 09, 2008, 09:13:29 AM
have a great holiday! and thank you all xxxx   Swampy had another quiet night and this morning went for a little wander down the passage for 5 mins, then I brought him back to his futon bed. Last night I tried to see if he could see da Bird (no) then I got the parcel white tape and touched his paws with it and he had a gentle bat at it for about 20 seconds! Then he got tired. I think I'll take out the tape once a day for a little session if he'll go for it.   The vet says he must have his blood tests redone in 2 - 3 weeks as everything may have affected his kidneys and liver.  I'm still just spending the day quietly with him and am grateful that I can do that as when he wakes up, he needs reassurance. I'm so hyper to everything though: Max sneezed in the night and I woke up with a start to see if everything was ok. I'm also fretting because he's now stopped drinking so much and hasn't been to the tray....when you start worrying, it doesn't stop does it?
So lots of purrs to everyone this morning  :hug:  :hug:

also all our love and  :hug: to everyone else on here with problems right now. Sorry I am so absorbed in Swampy's needs that I haven't really spent any time reading other threads.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 09, 2008, 09:29:51 AM
Well it is sounding promising isn't it?  If he felt well enough for a little play then that has got to be good.  Keep on doing what you are doing and hopefully things will gradually improve.  I don't think anyone expects you to do other than concentrate on Swampy and give us daily updates.  You must be exhausted.  Lots of  :hug: :hug: we are all rooting for Swampy boy.  Are  you adding water to his food?
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 09, 2008, 09:49:49 AM
no water but he only eats k/d which is probably mostly water (and fibre: he's not needed lactulose since eating k/d!). It's just today he's not peed. Normally he does a large one in the morning. With the cortisone hangover he was peeing and drinking a lot. I'll see what happens later on. I'm v tired yes. I haven't really slept since last wed!  I'm still too scared to leave him alone at home too - I'm feeding downstairs neighbour's bird at the moment and I wait for OH to come home before going down to do that.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 09, 2008, 10:11:56 AM
A quiet night and a little wander sounds very promising.  I expect he'll have a pee in a minute  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 09, 2008, 11:08:06 AM
sorry to be neurotic, but how long can they safely go without peeing? He last went yesterday, not sure how late really as can't remember. He's not in any visible distress, just curled up resting.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Dawn F on September 09, 2008, 11:10:35 AM
one of mine held it for over 24 hours when I wanted a sample but if you are worried you should call the vet, swampy has had a horrible time
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on September 09, 2008, 11:43:21 AM
Topping up the vibes for you and Swampy  :hug: :hug:

With the weeing, my vet has always said to me that over 24 hours I should then consult them. (I@d be more worried though if he was trying to go and can't go as to not going)
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 09, 2008, 11:45:20 AM
I did read somewhere, sorry can't remember where, a while ago that every 12 hours is fine
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on September 09, 2008, 12:14:57 PM
Have only just caught up with this and just wanted to add my love and best wishes to you both. Swampy is a very brave boy and here's hoping he continues to get better each day. Am keeping everything crossed for you both.

Lots of gentle snuggles and kisses to Swampy and  :hug: to you. Dylan and Hobbes send gentle purrs and head butts :Luv:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Catbird on September 09, 2008, 12:16:33 PM
Dot has always only peed once every 24 hours.  It's more tidal wave than pee, mind.

C.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 09, 2008, 19:13:43 PM
I would call the vet too.  I would be getting worried if no pee in 12 hours.  I hope Swampy pulls through this.  I know this is so hard on you.

Get Well Swampy....sending you some good healing vibes. :Luv:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 09, 2008, 19:18:07 PM
I am worried tonight. He has been a lot more agitated and nervy all day today. Big black eyes staring at nothing all day and restless. It's hard to calm him down. He's also only done 1 pee all day. Normally would be about 4 by now. He's had 1 little drink and some wet food but eats a little, moves, then back to plate etc in a very nervous way. I rang the vet (nurse as usual) who said to see that he got water so I gave him 1.5mls in a syringe, plus his wet food, plus he's drunk a bit. Plus she says convenia antibiotic would help, which he had on friday. I don't know what else can do. He's so nervous.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 09, 2008, 19:32:48 PM
If you are worried talk to the vet.  It maybe that he is just scared cos things are different for him? 
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 09, 2008, 20:29:46 PM
If you are really worried insist on speaking to the vet not the nurse.

I think Swampy has done so well but this is all gonna take time and he needs just to rest and settle. Maybe as he isnt moving around much this makes his bodily functions slow down?

Lots of love and cuddles to Swampy and you  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 09, 2008, 21:56:00 PM
Yes, I agree with Gill. 

You NEED to speak to the vet, not the nurse.  If you are not getting the care for your Swampy that you feel you should be getting from your vet, then get another vet.  It is critical that Swampy be getting excellent care right now.   

Swampy may be in great need of IV fluids at this point.  He could go down hill very rapidly if he is not drinking and eating enough to sustain him.

I would get a second opinion and fast. 

I only wish you well my friend and I know this has been so devastating to endure.  Get Well Swampy and stay strong.
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Post by: bunglycat on September 09, 2008, 22:12:52 PM
Yes, also agree you should only speak to the vet and a second opinion would be helpful - if you are not happy thats what you must do to get Swampy better.
Topping up the get well vibes and :hug: :hug: to you all .
Phoebe who i have now had 2 months only did one pee a day when i first got her , its about 2 a day now - i thought it odd she only went once !
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 09, 2008, 22:49:49 PM
I do have total confidence in the vet. He's saved Swampy's life twice now. On thursday he involved me in the treatment and let me sit with Swampy until after his afternoon surgery started. It's just that he is a sole prac in a very busy practice so they pass messages on. He's busy because he's the best in the area by a distance. Swamp would not be alive if I'd stayed with the other 2 I tried before. However if I am really worried I'll insist, especially after the wait to see the vet after Swampy's fits. I made my point about that to the vet too. Swamp has calmed down a bit now and has eaten some supper (teaspoon water mixed in) on the futon.  I think he has peed twice today, half as much as normal. It could be due to the excessive peeing he was doing before when the steroids were still in his system but I know it all needs careful watching. I'm just trying to find a balance between stressing him out by taking him to the vets (2 of his 4 fits and the worst ones were in the carrier and at the vets) and getting him medical attention if it's necessary.
Night night all, here's hoping we all get some zzzz  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 10, 2008, 06:32:10 AM
Poor Swampy and poor you.  My heart goes out to you but he is fighting and that is a good sign.  I certainly would demand to speak to the vet if you are worried.  Is there any chance he could do a home visit to save stressing Swampy any further?  I hope you all had a restful night and there is improvement this morning.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 10, 2008, 07:43:52 AM
Just coming on to say morning to you and Swampy, and topping up all of the healing vibes, and positive thoughts for you both.  :cuddle: :cuddle:


Take each day as it comes, to give him that chance to get things back to "normal" - at the moment, I'd guess Swampy's not sure what "normal" is.   I'm sure the vet won't mind if you do want to talk through what's happened since last week, and I'm sure he'd appreciate your concerns about not wanting to stress Swampy out with further visits to the surgery right now if they're avoidable.   :hug:

The brain's an incredible enigma, and capable of amazing things, but any injury needs time to heal.  It's good that you're monitoring him so closely.  You could maybe keep a little diary of his progress throughout each day, then next time you go back to the vet you have some recorded reference points to help chart his recovery.

I think it's good that he reacted when you had a play together, and he had his little journey down the passage, which is excellent.   He's doing well by all accounts.   Hope you have a good day together  :hug: 
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on September 10, 2008, 08:38:50 AM
Topping up the vibes for you today  :cuddle:

I think Sue's suggestion of keeping a diary is an excellent idea, it'll give you a chance to plot Swampy's progress.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 10, 2008, 09:30:03 AM
hello and thank you again for the support for neurotic Swampmum, as it helps me so much  :hug:  Swampy had an ok night. There was 1 small pee in the tray which I think was his and he did drink a bit, so I'm watching and hoping that it's just a change  although unexplained, poss doesn't need the dreaded vet visit. What seems to be freaking him out the most is not being able to see. This morning he was distressed also cos he couldn't find Max (then licked his whole face, nose and mouth when he did find him). He's burmese and they are active cats and has never just slept like Max does or the other oldies I've had before, but always looked to have a look-see if anything needed investigating.  So I'm praying that his vision comes back a little bit, just so he can see a few things to stimulate him and calm him. His sense of smell's not great either with the cold he has, so all 3 senses have been affected now. I've ordered a fan type diffuser and some decongestant essential oils (frankinsense and not sure what) - I spoke to the vet and the co and they seem to think a couple of drops is safe. Maybe olbas oil is too strong??

What a good idea on the diary. I've always kept a food 'n poos one so I'll add his symptoms and improvements to that. The sun's out but I daren't take him outside, poor wee love.
Btw can't see the colour of his eyes any more as they are just big black eyes now.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 10, 2008, 09:35:39 AM
Pleased to hear he had a good night.  I think it will be a case of baby steps with Swampy and hopefully eventually things will right themselves.  As I told you on an earlier post my daughter contracted viral encephalitis which caused her brain to swell.  It took three months for normality to return and she was on massive doses of steroids.  I would like to hear that your vet is checking in on you though as it is such a lot to cope with on your own.  If Swampy's sight doesn't return (please God it does) then he will I expect eventually adapt.  It is still early days for such a trauma and you are doing so well.  He is a lucky little man to have you for his mummy.  Please make sure you take care of yourself as well.  :hug: :hug: The diary is a brilliant idea, you will be able to measure his progress accurately and see if there is any pattern to his distress
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: tab on September 10, 2008, 09:48:30 AM
I hope Swampy starts to improve soon.
Id be careful of olbas oil as with Amber it acts like cat nip and sends her crazy
love
Tab
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Topsy Turvey on September 10, 2008, 09:53:55 AM
Our vet suggested olbas oil (one drop on a tissue near but not right beside her) when Summer had what she thought was cat flu or asthma to clear her airway a little. 

 :hug: for you :hug: for Swampy x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Dawn F on September 10, 2008, 09:54:17 AM
sounds like he is improving slowly, its been a awful experience for him, even just the fits leave you feeling awful, muscles you've never heard of hurt like anything!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 10, 2008, 10:05:42 AM
I have used Karval in the past
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 10, 2008, 11:53:30 AM
A diary is a great idea, you can then see the improvements that he has made already without focusing on the aspects that haven't improved.  Sending you both another  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 10, 2008, 12:08:20 PM
Topping up with more of  :hug: :hug: for you and Swampy xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on September 10, 2008, 12:53:05 PM
Just popping in with more  :hug: :hug: from me and the boys for you and Swampy. He is such a star and very lucky to have you for his mum. :Luv2:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: lilynmitz on September 10, 2008, 14:36:31 PM
I've been following the postings on your unhappy story, and really hope Swampy is doing better today.  What a thing for you both to go through. 

I thought I'd let you know that I have an almost blind 8 yo cat - although he was already like this when I got him 6 months ago.  Friends also had a cat that went completely blind.  My Mitz manages really well.  While I do find it sad to think how much more he could get out of life if he could see, his quality of life is generally good.  You soon learn to make the house (and in my case, the garden) safe for them, and there are a few toys he can respond to.  He loves his food, cuddles and body scrubs, he is great pals with his sighted litter mate, (although she does swat him from time to time to stop him treading on her!), and has his favourite spots for sleeping.  Swampy already knows the layout of the house, although he will have to re-learn it again, but if his sight doesn't return fully, all is not lost.

However, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for youo for a full recovery soon. 
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Post by: Corporal Smokey on September 10, 2008, 14:48:18 PM
I think Lilynmitz has had similar experiences to me. All the blind cats I've known have been great at adapting, but having said that they have all gone blind slowly and had other senses which have increaced in time to compensate. I imagine without all the other stuff going on sudden blindness would be terrifying so that alone will take time to adjust to (or hopefully recover from).

I have used karvol plug-ins and Olbas oil before. Olbas do a baby one so I used that. I think Karvol's recommended for babies too.

When Smokey was really bad once I filled a couple of large sturdy bowls with boiling water and popped them in the kitchen with the heating on and door shut to make a steam-room feel. Obv this needs to be supervised but really helped. I also shut him in the bathroom with me whenever I have a bath as the steam really helps him to breathe better.


Best wishes Swamp + Swampmum  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: MrsR on September 10, 2008, 17:21:41 PM
Sofa is 99% blind sweetie but gets on fine, her main pal is Freddy and he seems to know she is different and has now seemingly adapted to it and brings her in rodents, etc - was sweet at first but now just ewwwwwwwwwww :sick: :evillaugh:  It took her a while but she has adapted well and still charges round the garden.   Every so often she will bump into something but she really does manage well and has quality of life in a big way.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: tab on September 10, 2008, 17:39:53 PM
Maybe its just Amber that has a thing about olbas oil then  :evillaugh:. Put it this way when I put in on my pillow when I had a cold I got woken in the night by Amber digging my pillow, drooling, sucking and going totally mad for it. I tried to push her away and she attacked my hand instead.
I hope Swampys doing ok today
love
Tab
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 10, 2008, 17:54:54 PM
thanks, especially Mrs R for cheering me a bit with Sofa's experience. Every time Swampy wakes up, it's like "why can't I see" which is awful to watch. I hope he adjusts in time. He found deaf v easy, but not it seems blind. (Deaf was following his cholangiohep so he was v ill too).  I've been reading online about deaf and blind cats and how not to move anything in the familiar area. Trouble is, no idea if Swampy will ever be able to make it on to a chair again or if we will have to keep the futon floor bed there permanently (which is fine with me, but OH may need persuading). Swamp is no longer asking for food, but is eating when food is taken to him on the bed. Only 1 pee today though despite water being added to his food. I thought maybe he couldn't be bothered to move, but over the weekend when he peed a lot (steroids still in him) he took himself off to the tray each time. At least he has been so I suppose it's not urgent (?!).
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: MrsR on September 10, 2008, 17:58:53 PM
I think with the site its harder for us than them, Sofa's eyes are very misted over now and seeing her at times gets to me but she is happy enough and loving life.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 10, 2008, 18:20:02 PM
Sending lots of top up good vibes for Swampy   :hug: :hug:

I think it will be harder to adjust being deaf and blind and hope that he gets a little bit of sight back cos that will help him. But dont expect miricles too soon  cos think this will all take a while. I am so pleased that he has found Max cos I am sure that will help him a lot.

Think the diary idea is a really good one and to be honest I would want him nesting on the floor now like you have him cos it would be so easy for him to fall.

Keep up the good work  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 10, 2008, 19:19:39 PM
Topping up my get well vibes for the little lad  :Luv:  It does sound as he's making slow but sure progress.  The diary is an excellent idea.

Jaffa likes olbas oil too.  If I put that on my pillow he licks it.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 10, 2008, 20:21:13 PM
Sending Love to Swampy....Come on old boy xxxx

Sending you a  :hug: Kate xxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 10, 2008, 20:23:31 PM
Just popping on to top up the evening cuddles and get well vibes for Swampy.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Baggy on September 10, 2008, 20:31:45 PM
Maybe its just Amber that has a thing about olbas oil then  :evillaugh:. Put it this way when I put in on my pillow when I had a cold I got woken in the night by Amber digging my pillow, drooling, sucking and going totally mad for it.
My family cat, Dalby used to have a thing for it as well.  I came into my room once to find half of the pillowcase soaked in drool, she used to just lie there dribbling and inhaling it...

More vibes for Swampy, it sounds as if he's making gentle progress. Glad that Max isn't avoiding him now.  The steroids probably gave him "false" energy to get up and use the tray - they had a similar effect on the Proot, they seem to have the effect of boosting them along over their crisis point.

A colleague's cat is 17 and went blind over about 6 months.  She struggled initially, but then grew enormous whiskers and copes really well!

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: ChrisB on September 10, 2008, 20:56:14 PM
Lots of love to you and Swampy - take care as you must be feeling so tired - you are doing so well, Swampy could not be better cared for.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Corporal Smokey on September 10, 2008, 21:42:44 PM
Mine do like Olbas too but they tend to wait for the mentholness to die down before rolling around in it!


Have a good night tonight Swampy xx
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Post by: MrsR on September 10, 2008, 21:46:55 PM
Sleep well swampy  :Luv2:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 10, 2008, 22:18:25 PM
Hope you both have a peaceful night  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 10, 2008, 22:52:02 PM
have a good rest swampy  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 11, 2008, 00:47:02 AM
Take care and hope you both have a restful night ( i stayed up nearly a wekk with Smartie when i found out he had a heart condition , was scared to go to sleep in case he stopped breathing !- then still got up every hour after that for another week and to check he hadn''t pulled his stitches out from his op !!) Luckily he seems to be ok now.
Topping up late night/early morning  :hug: :hug: and healing vibes from us all in Lincoln- Get better soon Swampy boy xxx
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Post by: Stuart on September 11, 2008, 04:27:22 AM
How is the wee mannie today ?? and you too of course
Still sending healing thought's to you both
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

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Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 11, 2008, 05:50:00 AM
Still thinking of you and Swampy.  Hope tomorrow brings more hope and soon that Swampy will be his old self.  (((Hugs))) :care:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 11, 2008, 06:22:27 AM
Hope you both had a good night  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 11, 2008, 06:50:23 AM
Adding to the morning Top Ups for Swampy, and hope you've both had a good night's rest.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on September 11, 2008, 08:21:06 AM
More top ups for Swampy,   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: tab on September 11, 2008, 09:11:35 AM
Top ups from me too
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
love
Tab
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Post by: hannah (weeny) on September 11, 2008, 09:12:32 AM
 :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 11, 2008, 09:19:14 AM
had a tricky night with no sleep for either of us. He just wouldn't settle. Big black eyes and moving constantly and some miaowing. He also just isn't using the tray much if at all, but did have a mega drink earlier. So I rang the vet, usual fob off about how busy he is and to bring Swampy down this morning before the ops start if worried. So I said no, putting him in a carrier and bringing him down IF it's not necessary (vet to be the judge of that) is going to make him worse and please could I actually speak to the vet as it's a week now and I've not spoken to anyone but the nurse since it happened and this just isn't easy to cope. I would like him to see Swampy before the weekend to check on him, but am so scared to put him in the box and take him (unless urgent of course). Being so tired doesn't help either. Swamps has eaten ok this morning but his tum is hard. Can brain damage shut down the urge to go to the tray?

ps what I mean is, he is peeing but it's 2x in 24 hours instead of 4 or 5 times and no tray flooders. He has CRF
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 11, 2008, 10:02:13 AM
To be honest I think it is appalling that you are receiving little or no support from your vet.  I would insist on a home visit to save Swampy the stress and if they wont do it then change vets.  Swampy's well being is the foremost consideration not whether or not the vet is too busy to speak to you.  I don't mean that you aren't putting his welfare first, you are doing so well and you should be receiving support from your vet.  This is a huge thing that has happened and he appears to be just leaving you to sort it out yourself.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Topsy Turvey on September 11, 2008, 10:56:29 AM
I agree with Maddies Mum they should be doing a home visit.  How far is the vet from you?  If its quite near I would go down to the vet (minus Swampy) and ask to speak to them face to face.  Its harder for them to fob you off in person.   :hug: :hug: to you both x

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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 11, 2008, 12:46:44 PM
I agree with everyone else, I know You have said your vet is fab but i really feel he is letting you down hun

Anyway -

kisses to Swampy xxx   and   :hug: to You xxxx
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Post by: MrsR on September 11, 2008, 12:49:39 PM
Just want to give you a hug hunnie and one for Swampy too  :hug: wish I could make your vet more understanding  :(
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Post by: kris on September 11, 2008, 13:02:11 PM
Popping in to check in his progress, I agree with the others, if only the vet could be more supportive it would be such a weight off your mind as well.

Ugh poor you and poor swampy.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 11, 2008, 13:05:09 PM
Well he did call and gave me nearly 20 mins so now I feel a lot better. He doesn't need to see Swamp as long as he is peeing at all, but doesn't quite know why it's changed. Swampy will have to have blood tests done soon but he thinks for the mo' it's better I keep him at home in the 1 room. The black eyes are because he is blind - in another week we should be able to notice if any of his vision has returned (there is a small chance). Anyhow his Swampness has just had a bit of lunch and I'll keep adding the water. I told the vet that sometimes I need to speak to him, not via the nurse, especially after what's happened and he said he does understand and apologised , saying he's had a mad week.
Ahem, I don't think any London vets do home visits btw! At least Swampy's getting a lot better treatment than I would have, if I'd had the same accident.
I just hope tonight Swamp feels like having a peaceful zzzz  :hug: to everyone.
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Post by: kris on September 11, 2008, 13:13:34 PM
Oh that sounds so much better, when you are left alone and feel a bit floundery it's just so hard, and even if nothing practical changes you just can't beat a bit of reassurance and feeling that the vet knows everything there is to know and everything that can be done is being done....

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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 11, 2008, 13:54:59 PM
Pleased you were able to speak to the  the vet and hope thatthe big black eyes get a glimmer in them   :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 11, 2008, 14:12:02 PM
Glad You have spoken to your vet - and glad Swampy has had some lunch xxxx
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 11, 2008, 14:13:09 PM
Glad you have managed to speak to your vet and you feel a bit happier now.  Keeping up the prayers and good wishes for you and swampy.

Also sending a  :hug: to Max and your OH.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 11, 2008, 14:53:36 PM
I am so glad you finally spoke to your vet.  Giving you some sort of timescale for improvement saves you worrying too much right now.  Hopefully Swampy will have a restful day and night and each day brings him further on.  Big hug to you my thoughts and prayers are with you both  :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on September 11, 2008, 19:05:45 PM
Sweetie Sofas eyes are black also - wish our old PC hadn't died as I have photos on their where you can see them, will have to see if I can send my phone ones to this this PC and post them for you to see.
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 11, 2008, 21:25:06 PM
Hi hun,

Thought you might be interested in this site .... I hope swampy's blindness will only be temporary but the information is still good:  http://www.messybeast.com/disabled.htm#blind
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 11, 2008, 23:08:07 PM
Have a good sleep tonight Swampy, sending loads of healing vibes  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 12, 2008, 00:20:54 AM
Goodnight and get better soon vibes topping up again for tonight  :hug: :hug: Swampy 
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 12, 2008, 06:53:18 AM
Hope you and Swampy has a quiet night and hoping there is a little improvement today.  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 12, 2008, 07:49:02 AM
Have been thinking about you both so much.  Glad you were able to speak to the vet.  I think we can all understand how isolated you've been feeling trying to cope with all of this on your own.  I wish there was some way we could wave a magic wand and make it all better for Swampy overnight.  Still sending healing vibes and lots of love for both of you.    :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on September 12, 2008, 08:47:30 AM
More vibes for you both today  :hug: :hug:

Glad you managed to speak to your vet. I can't imagine what you are going though right now.

 :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 12, 2008, 09:15:39 AM
A big morning  :hug: to everyone and their puddytats. We had a slightly better night. Max is being very sweet to Swampy which I really hope lasts, as he needs his brother to be there (they sleep with their chins on each other) or gets upset. Swampy had a little wander down the passage at 6am without banging into anything, but stopped before he got to the bathroom as was nervous, but I've tested again and still no visual response. Thanks for the messybeast link as that's really helpful. I am going to venture out this morning for a walk and pop to the shops and feed downstair's lonely canary  - probably an hour - so it's take a deep breath and hope and pray he will just sleep while I am out as I'm so scared leaving him alone.
I ordered a fan diffuser and some oils, but now I read that oils can be dangerous, so will probably put it on for 15 mins with a drop of Olbas as the vet thinks that will be ok, as Swampy's cold is starting up again.

you are all so wonderful and thanks for your support  :hug:

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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 12, 2008, 10:23:45 AM
Morning ,

I am out today and wont be back till late tonight so just popping by to give Swampy a kiss.
Glad he sems alittle more settled
 :hug: to You Kate xxxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 12, 2008, 11:40:37 AM
That's wonderful that he had a little venture.  Way to go Swampy :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 12, 2008, 11:42:30 AM
Popping in to hug Swampy gently.  I'm so glad everything seems to be moving steadily in the right direction  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 12, 2008, 11:45:04 AM
That's good to hear he's had another little exploration.  :)  So glad Max is being good with his brother.   Hope things continue to get better and better. 
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Post by: clarenmax on September 12, 2008, 11:48:10 AM
So pleased the signs are all looking positive, and glad that Max is being such a love  :Luv:

Topping up the healing vibes again today, and course a few more  :hug: :hug: :hug: as well xx
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Post by: Stuart on September 12, 2008, 14:09:05 PM
Glad to hear Swampy had a better night, and a wee stroll too  :)

still thinking of youz both and sending more healing vibes
 :cuddle: :cuddle: :cuddle: :cuddle: :cuddle:
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Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 12, 2008, 17:55:56 PM
Sounds like a much better night.  I'm so glad that Swampy has shown some signs of improvement.  I know each day will get better and better from here on out.  You have done an amazing job taking care of him.  I know it has been such a worry.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 12, 2008, 18:02:19 PM
Off he went for another little wander this afternoon, but got into the passage and turned back. He found it unsettling and was a lot more confident coming back than venturing out. But then he demanded (and got of course) a mega tum rub so we had a good 20 mins of purring. Made me ridiculously happy.
I went out for an hour and found him sleeping on my return. I'm so anxious to leave him though; the vet doesn't think he'll have another fit (although gave me a syringe of 1ml valium to use rectally on him if he does) but on a yahoo kitty seizure group they aren't so sure, although are reassuring about his chances of surviving it. Let's hope the vet is 100% right on this one.
I could use some shut eye tonight so hope it's peaceful. And to all of you!  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 12, 2008, 18:17:06 PM
Oh that is just wonderful!  How brave of Swampy to venture into the passage.  That is such a good sign. 

You get some good rest tonight, you deserve it. :Luv2:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 12, 2008, 18:23:04 PM
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Off he went for another little wander this afternoon, but got into the passage and turned back. He found it unsettling and was a lot more confident coming back than venturing out. But then he demanded (and got of course) a mega tum rub so we had a good 20 mins of purring. Made me ridiculously happy.

Makes me ridiculously happy to hear it too!   :wow: :wow:   :hug:  Brave little soldja.  :)

Kate, I know it had a different cause, but we were warned to expect further fits when Paddy had his stroke.  Happily, they didn't happen.   With the quantity of positive thoughts, love and healing wishes coming Swampy's way, as Christine (Blip's mum) has said to me recently "let it be well....."

Topping up the gentle kisses and tummy rubs for Swampy.  xxx
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 12, 2008, 18:43:17 PM
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Off he went for another little wander this afternoon, but got into the passage and turned back. He found it unsettling and was a lot more confident coming back than venturing out. But then he demanded (and got of course) a mega tum rub so we had a good 20 mins of purring. Made me ridiculously happy.

Makes me ridiculously happy to hear it too!   :wow: :wow:   :hug:  Brave little soldja.  :)

Count me in!  How brave Swampy is.
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Post by: Baggy on September 12, 2008, 19:50:13 PM
Am so pleased to hear Swampy has found his purr and is starting to explore a little  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 12, 2008, 20:19:54 PM
That's wonderful such progress.  You must feel so proud of Swampy and yourself.  I, too, hope you both have a restful night  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 12, 2008, 21:46:11 PM
So pleased that Swampy is wandering a bit, thats great news  ;D

He will be mapping his route in his head each time and as long as you dont move anything he will gradually find his way around.

So pleased that Max is looking after him too.

Have another good rest tonight Swampy, those nice rests are doing so much good  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 13, 2008, 01:17:12 AM
Just have to come on every day and check Swampys progress. He is doing really well -bless him :Luv2: :Luv2: due to all the love and care he is getting from you ! You are doing a fantastic job with him and he is obviously progresssing because of that.
Topping up on his get well vibes and cuddles for tonight  :hug: :hug:
He now has his own fan club too  ;D
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Post by: MrsR on September 13, 2008, 10:02:48 AM
Sounds good hun and that Swampy is slowly on the up and up  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 13, 2008, 10:41:47 AM
Not too bad a night - think I got about 4 hours which isn't too bad! He snores though, as his cold's getting worse again. I'll have to make a call on the new fan diffuser and olbas oil I think! I will talk to the top of his little brown head and tell him that he's got a lovely fan club who are sending him lots of positive vibes.  I'm still so frightened to leave him unattended and when I do go out, it's not for long and with my heart in my mouth in case something happens.  I'm just so nervy still, which I suppose is normal as he is just so special.
He and Max are zzzing. I will try to get a photo at some point and post it  :hug:
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Post by: Mark on September 13, 2008, 11:18:06 AM
Sounds like he's out of the woods Kate  :hug:

Hope he continues to get better  :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on September 13, 2008, 11:40:02 AM
Onwards and upwards Swampy x
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Post by: Topsy Turvey on September 13, 2008, 12:12:41 PM
Great news that Swampy is impoving.  Keep up the good work Swampy.  Everyone on Purrs is rooting for you  :Luv2:
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 13, 2008, 12:37:45 PM
Yay way to go Swampy  :hug:  Great news that he is a calmer and venturing a bit further each day.  So good that Max is looking after him ... this will help swampy to feel a bit better having his brother watching out for him.

I know it's easy to say Kate, but you must look after you as well and get some rest hun .... if you are stressed Swampy will pick up on it and it won't do him any good.

 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: ginge66 on September 13, 2008, 13:12:40 PM
So pleased to hear that Swampy is improving ;D
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 13, 2008, 15:11:30 PM
Glad you managed to get some sleep at least.  Bless him he is doing so well.  Can you have catnaps when Swampy does during the day to catchup on your lost sleep?  I know it must be hard for you to leave him but there are times when you will have to.  Hope the day goes well for you all x
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 13, 2008, 17:34:25 PM
Just popping by to send love and kisses for Swampy, and topping up the healing vibes.   :cuddle: :cuddle:

Kate, Paddy's deaf too, and what I sometimes do with him if he's a bit under the weather, when I give him a cuddle, I rest my throat against the back of his neck and head and just talk to him softly.  I figure if he can feel the vibrations then somehow it helps to soothe him, even though he can't hear the words.  Often it sets him off purring.

Hope the big man and you got a little more sleep last night, and that his cold butters off soon.  :hug:

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Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 13, 2008, 18:00:47 PM
Oh, I am so glad to hear that things are looking up.  That's just wonderful!  Keep it up Swampy!  Get better and better everyday.  I can't wait to see some pictures. :hug:
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Post by: Feline Costumier on September 13, 2008, 18:21:28 PM
Isn't he making great progress!

Sending lots of  :hug: for the whole household. Sounds like everybody is contributing to the healing and ongoing improvement.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 13, 2008, 18:53:44 PM
yes Sue, I sort of talk into the top of his head - may give the throat thing a try as I'm sure they do 'hear' something, even if it's just reassurance. The biggest problem we have at the moment is his fear from being blind. He's only really at ease when resting on the futon mattress. He did venture down the passage a little again today but got too scared. You could sense the relief as his paws touched the duvet on the futon. I'm praying that there are no more fits and that the fear of the darkness eases. (He also smacked his head into a table leg on his lounge wanders & the impact made him sneeze....sounds silly, but it was not nice to watch). His snottiness makes him eat quite a lot less too.
I did get out today though for an hour as OH's home working, but you're right, at some point I'll just have to do it and hope for the best!
 :hug:  :hug: all.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 13, 2008, 19:05:28 PM
Glad he is still doing well, I am praying that his sight comes back bless him.....it must be very frightening for him xxxx
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Post by: MrsR on September 13, 2008, 19:54:28 PM
Sweeti eSwampy will get to know where everything is in the house, Sofa did, it took time and even now she occasionally bumps into something but she will jump up onto things now and is seemingly used to it and it doesn't hold her back.   Give Swampy time, I know its hard x :hug:
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Post by: ChrisB on September 13, 2008, 21:42:41 PM
So pleased things are improving - sending you all lots of good wishes, X
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 13, 2008, 22:00:38 PM
Just popped on to wish you and Swampy a good night  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 13, 2008, 23:54:16 PM
Just nipped on to wish Swampy and you a restful night and topping up healing vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all .
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 14, 2008, 08:13:24 AM
Sending more Sunday morning cuddle top ups for Swampy.   :hug: :hug: :hug:

As MrsR says, it will take time for Swampy to feel confident on his little forays around the house.  If you think what it would be like for us in the same situation we'd be scared too.  But it's not putting him off having a wander.  Wish his cold would clear up for him and it'd beone less thing to bother you both.   :hug:  Go away, Swampy's cold.  :poke:
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Post by: Gwen on September 14, 2008, 08:22:24 AM
Just posting to let you know I am still thinking of him,while I wasnt online last week Swampy was on my mind constantly and all I wanted to do was come and check this thread,glad theres some improvement and I agree with everybody else it will take time but he has the best meowmy and daddy in the world,I'm sure of it :hug:

Whats Max like with him now?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 14, 2008, 10:20:28 AM
Came on to wish you both a good morning and hope you had a restful night.  Lots of loving positive thoughts coming your way from me today x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 14, 2008, 10:22:19 AM
I'm thinking of trying to take him out on the flat roof for some sun this morning and have OH's help on a sunday to get him through the window. If he gets too upset will bring him back in. I am a bit worried about the brighter light (although wouldn't face him straight into it and it's a bit feeble sun anyhow but v welcome). But lots of wanders since 5am this morning with miaows (still lounge only). Thank goodness for some sun as warmer weather helps his cold. Max is zzzzing (usual morning thing), but is being really good (think he likes the new futon zzzz arrangement!). Swampy's always been a lot more active than Max.  I know it's early days on his coping, but it's so hard for him to be deaf and blind when he was such an active oldie. But we had a lovely tum rub and I told him about all the lovely messages he's getting from purrs. He purred back to you all!  :hug: Oops here comes another yowly wander!
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Post by: Gwen on September 14, 2008, 10:37:51 AM
Rameses is here by the pc with me and wants me send get well wishes from him to Swampy and a headbutt :Luv: :Luv2:
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Post by: Topsy Turvey on September 14, 2008, 12:40:43 PM
 :Luv2: to Swampy from Summer, Smartie and Skye. 

Have you tried taking Swampy into the bathroom with you when you or OH are in the bath?  The steam might help his cold.  I did this with Summer (on advice from Vet) when we/they though she had cat flu.  Seemed to help with the snotty (sorry) nose.  We put bubble bath in  -  one that's supposed to help to decongest you.  She comes in herself now - seems to like the steam and smell. 
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 14, 2008, 13:04:23 PM
I think if it's totally safe, and if you can take it very gently Kate, that might be a good idea - feeling a breeze on his fur and outdoor smells might act as a stimulus.  You'd need to prepare just in case it was too much for him all at once - cats' senses are more highly developed than ours in terms of smell and touch, and he might find it a little overwhelming given that he's only just getting used to feeling his way gradually about his home.   So pleased that he's getting braver about going for little wanders, and can just picture that lovely tummy, waiting for a rub!  :)
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Lynds on September 14, 2008, 14:37:48 PM
I've not been on here for a week or so and I'm so sorry to read this thread. I really hope things get better and I'm sending you lots of positive cat vibes.

Lynds xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 14, 2008, 15:03:38 PM
Some sunshine might do him good  -

Sending lots of love From Me and my Gang

Bear, Willow, Issey, Rocky, Fleur, Lilly, Missy, Lulu, Lala, Freddy and Tramp
  x        x         x        x       x      x      x       x      x       x              x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 14, 2008, 18:31:10 PM
I am pleased Swampy is doing so well but my instinct is to not move him from his current environment until he is feeling well enought to do it by himself.

He so needs to get used to being able to wander by himself without getting scared and to change environment how ever tempting, may not be good for him. You must remember its not just that he is blind and deaf but also that he has had a terrible accident which has caused real problems for him.

If you did move him, I do hope it went OK and am sending lots of good vibes to Swampy for being such a brave little cat  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Lynds on September 14, 2008, 19:55:08 PM
I am pleased Swampy is doing so well but my instinct is to not move him from his current environment until he is feeling well enought to do it by himself.

He so needs to get used to being able to wander by himself without getting scared and to change environment how ever tempting, may not be good for him. You must remember its not just that he is blind and deaf but also that he has had a terrible accident which has caused real problems for him.

If you did move him, I do hope it went OK and am sending lots of good vibes to Swampy for being such a brave little cat  :hug: :hug: :hug:

I think is very wise advice.

Lynds
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 14, 2008, 21:12:03 PM
Sending night time hugs for Swampy.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 14, 2008, 21:14:12 PM
Topping up the cuddles and good vibes today, and hope Swampy had a good day  :hug: xxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 14, 2008, 21:43:20 PM
Hope you both had a good day  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 14, 2008, 23:51:43 PM
Sending good healing vibes to Swampy. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Happy Moggy on September 15, 2008, 01:21:08 AM
Hope it all turns out well for both of you  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Catbird on September 15, 2008, 08:22:31 AM
And prayers and hugs from me and purrs and headbuts from Dot.  We've been avidly checking this thread whenever possible.

C and D.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 15, 2008, 08:43:51 AM
Fingers crossed that you all got some decent sleep and that Swampy feels well enough for a little more venturing :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 15, 2008, 08:52:36 AM
Morning  to you Kate and to Swampy too.  Sending lots of positive vibes for Swampy this morning.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 15, 2008, 09:18:56 AM
Hi, well Swampy didn't go out yesterday as I decided it was too much, but did have a little sleep on our bed in the sun which he seemed to enjoy (bedroom - our lounge doesn't get any sun). He did a lot of wandering on his own (no miaowing) as OH left the lounge door open. Maybe it was too much as he was hard to feed yesterday pm despite his activity level picking up (by himself I mean) and he woke me at 2.45am with a mega yowl - breakfast hasn't gone too well either. He seemed hungry but not eating more than a little bit, then pawing at the blanket to say enough (hand held plate: he's stopped eating in the kitchen since the cortisone wore off), then walk a bit, then back to eat a little more.  He ate at least 1/4 can less than 'normal' yesterday & so far hasn't had his usual tray visit!  I hope he's not going off k/d as it needs eating reasonably fast  or at least in 1 go as goes hard when exposed to air for longer than 15 mins.
We have stairs to a mezzanine in the lounge and he walked upstairs yesterday morning, so we've now put garden wire on the stairs. I hope it's just a hiccup today and that he'll eat well later. He even had a 10 second paw batting moment with Max yesterday btw which again, made me cry I was so happy. It was at his pace then, but maybe I should rein him in a bit and keep him quiet(er) today.  Big  :hug:  :hug: :hug: to everyone for continuing to be there for Swamp.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: tab on September 15, 2008, 09:21:17 AM
Aww that great im so glad he's getting around more and playing with Max. I hope he starts eating more soon
love
Tab
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 15, 2008, 09:23:34 AM
Glad he enjoyed some sunshine on your bed yesterday, sure it must have made him feel a bit better  :Luv:

Topping up with some Monday morning good vibes and hugs, and hope he manages to eat a bit more today  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on September 15, 2008, 09:28:54 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
More tops ups from us.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: LesleyW on September 15, 2008, 09:43:43 AM
Sending more positive vibes to you and Swampy this morning. :Luv2:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 15, 2008, 09:59:35 AM
That is brilliant.  He is such a brave brave boy.  I am glad you didn't take him outdoors as it might have overwhelmed him but the compromise of laying in the sun in the bedroom sounds lovely.  He is making such good progress.  Maybe he isn't eating as much as he isn't as active?  In any event you have done and are doing a magnificent job of looking after your invalid boy.  Here's hoping for more progress every day  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Topsy Turvey on September 15, 2008, 10:00:38 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:  from us x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 15, 2008, 11:36:09 AM
Well done Swampy

Kate it all sounds positive.
He might not be eating so much as he isnt burning off anything.
xxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 15, 2008, 12:31:41 PM
Just adding to the good wishes for Swampy, who does sound to be making steady progress  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sheryl on September 15, 2008, 12:36:59 PM
Still sending love, huggles and positive vibes for gorgeous Swampy  xxx :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 15, 2008, 16:22:46 PM
Lots of love to Swampy and each day he seems to do a bit better  :hug: :hug: :hug:

If he is able to get upstairs thats great and eventually he will be able to get down too, to echo what Christine has said , cats are just so amazing   ;D
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on September 15, 2008, 17:19:28 PM
Sending lots more  :hug: and kisses to Swampy - keep up the good work little chap you are being so brave.  :Luv2: :Luv2:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 15, 2008, 18:30:23 PM
It's so good to hear that he's pottering about much more on his own, and to have managed steps is absolutely amazing, bless him.  Hope you're keeping an eye on yourself too, Kate.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: JackSpratt on September 15, 2008, 18:31:06 PM
Sending top up cuddles to you and Swampy.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 15, 2008, 21:12:09 PM
zero activity today but he cried every time he woke up and had to be fussed. He ate better for not moving about or having anything to do. Must have been the sun and his dad home yesterday that caused such activity. I just hope that he's not too unhappy; the only joy he seems to get is when Max curls up with him and they have a little lick session or a paw bat for a few secs.  He has always been such an active and interested-in-everything cat. Thanks for all the support yet again.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Baggy on September 15, 2008, 22:35:25 PM
It must be such a shock to lose your sight - like waking up in a different world.  It will take him time to adjust but I'm sure he will.  At least he is eating more and enjoying his cuddles with Max now  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on September 15, 2008, 22:50:31 PM
Swampy is such a brave little cat and so lucky to have someone like you to care for him- topping up the get better soon vibes and of course  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all from the gang in Lincoln
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 16, 2008, 06:12:55 AM
He probably tired himself out from all the venturing.  Good to rest.  Hope he had a good night and you too.  Please look after yourself  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 16, 2008, 07:07:06 AM
Topping up the Get Well Swampy vibes this morning.   I think Baggy's right.  It will take him weeks to adjust to this new way of life, and to get over the shock he received, but he's already doing superbly well, and he hasn't had any further fits or anything.    And each day further on he gets, the more any residual brain swelling will subside, his mind and body will heal and the more he'll come to terms with this strange new world of his.

Plenty of Max cuddles and tummy rubs seem to be the order of the day, so here's hoping he gets both aplenty.    :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Mark on September 16, 2008, 07:21:45 AM
My mum's cat, Sukie went blind when she was quite young, my mum only realised when I was visiting and she said Sukie kept walking into the washing machine and I suggested getting her eyes checked  :( - she got to know her way around the house. Whenever I visited, she would go bounding upstairs to my old bedroom and jump on my bed purring. She slept on my pillow as a kitten and never forgot. She even did it at the age of 12  :Luv2: - They learned not to move furniture around as she had a mental map of the house and used to run around as if she could see. I keep meaning to borrow a photo from my mum to put on here.

Hoping Swampy is brighter this morning  :Luv2:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 16, 2008, 09:40:46 AM
Hello  :hug:  not too bad a night and Swampy's eaten quite well this morning once I kept him in the lounge and quiet and took the plate for his breakfast/s in bed! (no sun to divert him of course..).  I was thinking about Istin again; last time he couldn't take it as it sent his sensitive liver values up too high and he started to vomit. Don't they give Istin to cats who go blind as the result of a stroke? I know it's early days, but when I hear him cry it's awful, as you can imagine.
I'm thankful that I can be with him most of the time, to try to calm him, but I do think he's mostly scared but also frustrated and bored. He's bumping into stuff less in the lounge, but stands in the middle of the floor and cries and doesn't want a cuddle - until he settles down again on the futon some time later.  Max sleeps so much more than he does. I did go out for an hour yesterday and have to do so today again, but I'm still very nervy about leaving him. Still sleeping on the futon as couldn't bear it if I was next door and anything happened at night - and he can't jump on the bed (yet).
lots of purrs to everyone from the SwampMax  :hug:

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 16, 2008, 09:51:01 AM
I think your instincts are right, Kate.  He probably will be bored and frustrated.  I know I would be.  In fact I'd be impossible to live with in those circumstances.  It makes Swampy's tolerant good nature even more profound, bless him.

Could you talk to your vet about the Istin, and see what he thinks?
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: tab on September 16, 2008, 10:05:40 AM
Mogs takes Istin 1/4 tablet daily for high blood pressure and has been on it for a number of years now with no problems.
Im glad hes eating more and I hope you are doing ok
love
Tab
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 16, 2008, 10:15:52 AM
Topping up the vibes again this morning  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 16, 2008, 10:18:01 AM
Bless him, he is doing really well hope he has a lovely day  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on September 16, 2008, 10:32:52 AM
Awww bless Swampy

More vibes from us today  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Stuart on September 16, 2008, 11:10:22 AM
really sounds as if He's improving day by day  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:

I'm not stopping the healing vibes though  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 16, 2008, 12:17:40 PM
Morning , Just checking in on Swampy -
Glad he is eating a wee bit more

Sending you a  :hug: Kate xxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: MrsR on September 16, 2008, 12:46:47 PM
Checking in and seeing how everything is going  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 16, 2008, 16:33:37 PM
I am so proud of how Swampy is coping and how you are caring for him, keep up the good work and Swampy my man you are doing great  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 16, 2008, 17:23:37 PM
The boys send another healing head kiss Swampy's way  :care:  keep up the good work  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: lilynmitz on September 16, 2008, 18:28:17 PM
You're doing a grand job for poor Swampy, poor lamb.  I remember when I first brought my blind cat home from the rescue centre he used to wander off and then sit and wail until I went and rescued him, after a few months he was much more confident in his surroundings so he only does it now when he's hungry or wants someone to play with him.  I'm sure Swamp will adjust in time, but meanwhile I'm sure all your love and attention are seeing him through.  Well done you. :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 16, 2008, 18:55:53 PM
I'm so glad that Swampy seems to be improving.  You are doing a wonderful job caring for him.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Feline Costumier on September 16, 2008, 19:28:09 PM
Seems he is making steady progress. No doubt he is horribly fed up and just wants to be better, he is coping so well.

Lots of hugs and head butts from us.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 16, 2008, 19:34:27 PM
I've just had a thought ... swampy will do alot more crying as he will be using the noise to "locate things" and build a picture in his mind.  By making a noise he will be able to work out where things are (sort of echo location).  Does that make sense?
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 16, 2008, 19:57:07 PM
Topping up the vibes for Swampy  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 16, 2008, 20:16:05 PM
Peepy time huggies for Swampy.    :Luv2:  Sleep well little man.   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 16, 2008, 21:19:55 PM
I'm a little worried about him this evening actually. He hasn't moved all day except for one litter tray visit, where he didn't find his usual one but found Max's instead. He wouldn't play this evening and just wants to kip on his futon, although he has eaten ok (all meals served in bed of course), he's not had a wander or shown any interest all day. If he does the same tomorrow, I'll have to ring the vet.
thanks again for all the lovely messages of support  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 16, 2008, 21:35:20 PM
Hopefully Swampy has just decided to have a quiet day today.
Give him a goodnight kiss from me X

You are right though Kate, if You are still worried tomorrow phone your vet  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 16, 2008, 21:49:17 PM
He had a busy day yesterday venturing etc so perhaps he just needs to rest to conserve his energy today.  Hope you both have a good night and Swampy is up and about again tomorrow  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on September 16, 2008, 22:43:09 PM
Probably just resting today and taking it easy - topping up his big  :hug: :hug: :hug: and get well vibes again for tonight .
Hope you both have a nice restful night  and tomorrow brings more improvement for Brave Swampy  :Luv2: :Luv2:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 17, 2008, 06:58:12 AM
Good morning wishes for you all.  Hope you had a good night and a little head butt for Max as well.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 17, 2008, 07:16:38 AM
Morning Kate.   Thinking about Swampy this mornng, and sending lots of positive vibes his way.  Hopefully yesterday was just a day when he was conserving his energy and gathering his thoughts together.   Big hugs to you both  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on September 17, 2008, 09:07:00 AM
How is Swampy doing this morning?

More vibes for you all  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 17, 2008, 09:19:43 AM
He's coldy this morning, so luckily I didn't give him too much brekker as thought it may return....it did. He's since eaten a bit and had a little wander - one head bang but otherwise ok - and tum tickle (he grabs my hand but no longer kicks) and we had a little cuddle. I will have to ring the vet soon anyhow as the bloods have to be redone. I dread that visit because of the stress and last time Swampy shook his head so wildly that they could not get enough blood for the biochem stuff, only the kidneys/liver, so they need to get more blood this time - I don't want him shaking his head obviously.  I have to go out again a bit today so am psyching myself for that. Purrs to everyone  :hug:

It is Max's 15th birthday.....think he's been so good lately (!!) I'll give him his own thread for that.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Catbird on September 17, 2008, 11:10:07 AM
I know you said your vet is a one man band but couldn't he, or the nurse, come out to your house and take the blood?  It seems to me that they could show a bit willing, since they pooh-poohed you at first, right after Swampy hurt himself.

Sorry, none of my business, I'll be off now.  Dot and I send hugs and purrs.

C.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on September 17, 2008, 12:55:33 PM
Lots more  :hug: :hug: :hug: for Swampy and topping up the gentle head butts and purrs from my boys. I am so full of admiration for the way you are coping and Swampy is very lucky to have you as his mum. Hopefully things won't be too bad with the vet visit. Keep it up Swampy you are a very brave and special boy  :Luv2:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: tigerbaby on September 17, 2008, 18:17:25 PM
Sending more love, healing thoughts and headbutts.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 17, 2008, 18:51:56 PM
Sending more healing vibes and gentle ear tugs for Swampy this evening.   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 17, 2008, 18:52:49 PM
And from me...
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 17, 2008, 19:36:34 PM
And me as well  :Luv:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 17, 2008, 19:46:05 PM
me too :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 17, 2008, 19:58:03 PM
How has Swampy been today Kate ?

and did Max have a good B'day ?
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 17, 2008, 21:15:11 PM
I hope that Swampy is Ok today and I am sure he gets tired cos he will have to concentrate so hard to get around  :hug: :hug:

Its still so early and he is doing so well  ;D
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on September 18, 2008, 00:18:02 AM
Just topping up the little fellas get well vibes and big furry gentle head butts from the Persian gang in Lincoln.
Hoping for improvement day by day for Swampy-  :Luv2: :Luv2:  and a big  :birthday: to Max for being such a good boy with his brother.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 18, 2008, 05:56:25 AM
Hope Swampy and you had a good night and hope Max didn't get too drunk celebrating his birthday  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 18, 2008, 07:49:41 AM
Morning Swampy, morning Kate.  Topping up the healing cuddles and vibes for you and Swampy today.   :cuddle: :cuddle: :cuddle:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 18, 2008, 08:59:23 AM
Moornin, hope you all had a good night, and topping up with more healing vibes for Swampy, and some  :hug: for you.

Hope Max doesn't have too much of a hangover today  :Luv:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 18, 2008, 09:59:03 AM
hello and so many thanks again  :hug:  I saw the vet briefly and he said if all is reasonably ok, don't bring Swampy down just yet but I must weigh him often to make sure he's not losing weight. He didn't enjoy being put on the scales, which are a bit small and a bit curved - does anyone know of a (Argos or similar) larger based flat digital scale that may be easier (and not too expensive). We got there at the 2nd attempt and he's lost a little bit, but I hope that's ok. He's eating the same amount as before his accident. Last night he managed to wander upstairs but couldn't get down without me guiding him gently down every step; it really is so heartbreaking to see that but he's such a brave little fellow. He slept well and as for the Chicken Vacuuming Birthday Boy, he's sleeping it off, thank you!
The sun's out here in London (  :Crazy:) so I'm going to have to try to get Swampy some indoor rays if he will settle calmly on the bedroom bed with me early afternoon - if it's not cloudy again by then of course!  The sunniest spot is of course where he fell off from and Max will want to spend his day there zzzing. So I'll see if saturday's experience gets repeated in that Swampy gets agitated when separated from Max. OH tried to cuddle Swampy on the bed this am and he just wriggled to get away as wasn't confident. (pre-sun though).

 :hug:  :hug: to everyone.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 18, 2008, 10:08:28 AM
Sounds good,  Can you weigh him on the scales with you, ie weigh yourself first and then weigh yourself with Swampy.  He might feel better if you are holding him.  Here's hoping for a sunny day for you - we have one here - so that Swampy and Max can both bask in the sunshine and enjoy it.  Keep it up Swampy you are such a star  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on September 18, 2008, 10:58:30 AM
Argos have some nice bathroom scales on offer at the moment.

When I have to weigh Jess I usually get on weigh myself (GULP) then get on with Jess. The things we do for these cats, I'd never get on them otherwise.

Seriously though more top ups from us  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: and I'm glad Swampy is getting about xx
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 18, 2008, 11:12:27 AM
Morning Swampy and Kate,

Great news with the food.....and well done Swampy what a brave boy to go up the stairs.

xxxx
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Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on September 18, 2008, 12:16:36 PM
Just wanted to give some more top up  :hug: for Swampy and of course for you.

Swampy you are a star and we are all rooting for you. I'm sure all the healing Purrs vibes must be helping.

Lots of gentle licks and head butts from the boys too. :Luv2:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 18, 2008, 19:22:40 PM
Leanne's right Kate.  We got some good flat digital scales from Argos with big easy read out display, and I think we only paid about £12.99 for them.

What a clever lad Swampy is - up the stairs!  :wow:  Hope the little feela hasn't been agitated if Max had a snooze elsewhere without him.  Wonder if he'd benefit from a little sun lamp by his futon when you're there to keep an eye on him...?  Give him a tummy rub from me and Paddy.  He's a very special fellow.   :hug: :hug: :hug:  Topping up the healing vibes too. 
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 18, 2008, 20:09:41 PM
Hope our little hero has had a good day and got some sunbathing in.  Hope your night is peaceful  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 18, 2008, 20:17:21 PM
Hows our boy been today ?
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 18, 2008, 20:46:09 PM
lots more good vibes for swampy  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 18, 2008, 22:10:16 PM
I'll do anything for Swampy, but would prefer to avoid getting on the scales with him!  ;)  I'll check out Argos online - thanks.  Swampy enjoyed a little lie in some feeble sun on a bed (I put him on the bed) and he actually jumped down - but he landed sort of splat, so I stopped him from doing that again as he's weak. Gave him an hour of 'sun' puddle lying and then brought them both back (sun gone anyhow). His eyes were less black in the brighter light but not sure if that means he has some light-dark sensitivity (he def can't see anything though) or if it's an auto response from the eyes. But when they were both on the bed, Max sort of moved in and shoved him to get a better sun position so I can see how it could have happened on top of the chest, if that's what did happen. No more stairs or anything today. It's 2 weeks now since the accident and still no sign of any vision, so it seems he will stay blind poor wee love.
But again and I'll keep saying it, thank you a million everyone for being there for him and for me, it's such a huge help. Here's hoping for a nice, quiet night too  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 18, 2008, 22:36:36 PM
Lots more healing vibes here for brave little Swampy - big  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to keep everyone going .
Swampy is a very lucky cat to have you there for him- you are doing a fantastic job.
Hope you all have a peaceful and restful night.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 18, 2008, 23:36:38 PM
Please don't give up hope re his sight, brain swelling going down is a slow process.  True he may never regain it but who knows, miracles do happen sometimes and if anyone deserves it he does little brave soldier.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 19, 2008, 00:20:57 AM
I agree with Maddiesmum and its still so early after such a major trauma, just take it easy with wonderful Swampy, time loads of time will slowly heal. Even if he doesnt get his sight back, think how far you he has come in just 14days. Miricles do happen and I think Swampy just being able to move around at all is a miricle  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: hannah (weeny) on September 19, 2008, 00:52:55 AM
sweet dreams swampy and kate and max  :Luv:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 19, 2008, 07:13:53 AM
Morning Swampy, morning Kate   :hi:

Sending early morning hugs and shedloads of healing thoughts your way.   :hug: :hug:

You've both done so incredibly well, Kate.  If his sight never comes back, it will be terribly sad, but to think how far this little guy has come in two weeks - pottering about a little further, gauging his way a bit at a time, he's a complete star.    :wish:  And he still loves his Max and his Mum and Dad very much, and enjoys your company  :) :hug: :hug:  Swampy has the heart of a hero.   :hug: :hug:   Paddy sends a headbutt and a whiskery prrrfffpppt too.  ;)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 19, 2008, 07:29:43 AM
Morning from me too for Swampy and his loving family.  Hope you had a quiet night and have a wonderful sunshiney day  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 19, 2008, 10:37:04 AM
morning from the futon dwellers  ;)  Swampy was a bit confused this morning with his off-compass wandering and his cold's fired up a bit more so he had trouble finding the tray and even his food (from 2ins away poor love), but when he came back to the futon, he had a lick of the banana and lay on his side and grabbed at my hand with all 4 paws - I even got a tiny bite. Max is now exploring the inside of his ear while he rests and the sun is out.....so here's hoping for a nice, quiet restful day. And to all of you too  :hug:  :hug:  What's odd is his coat is good but he doesn't clean himself at the moment, he just cleans Max.
How lovely to get a whiskery pffpffppt (sp??!  ;D). My 2 send one back too and a big headbutt from Max (he is a champion headbutter).
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 19, 2008, 10:53:18 AM
He is doing SO well fingers crossed he has a wonderful sunny day  :hug:
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Post by: Mark on September 19, 2008, 11:04:32 AM
The only snag with people scales is most of them only measure in increments of 100grams so you can't get an accurate weight - All the ones I looked at in Argos are.
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 19, 2008, 20:09:36 PM
So pleased he is continuing to improve ... I wouldn't be surprised if Max is giving him a good wash when they are on there own.  ;)
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Post by: clarenmax on September 19, 2008, 20:44:54 PM
I'll top up with 2 days worth of good vibes and hugs as I won't be able to log on until Sun eve.

Hope he continues to improve  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 19, 2008, 21:56:08 PM
Loads of good vibes to Swampy and hope he has a lovely restful weekend  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 19, 2008, 22:09:36 PM
Hope he's had a good day and hope you all have a good night :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on September 19, 2008, 22:13:07 PM
Maybe it chills Swampy to clean Max?    Glad still on the up and up  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 20, 2008, 00:10:25 AM
Topping up Swampys get well vibes for this week-end and sending lots of gentle furry headbuts and  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to a brave little boy.
You are doing a great job with him - hope you both have a restful and healing week-end
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 20, 2008, 09:53:17 AM
hello, well the boys really approve of the sun (not alone there!). Only thing is OH is a bit too ambitious for him (Swampy loves being around OH as he's not home much) and there's no way I will go out and leave Swamps unattended in the sun on a bed, in case anything happens or he falls off. But it's so lovely to hear that dark brown purr. He does seem brighter in the warmer weather and is off on a wander as I type, which is at least partly due to the fact that better weather = not so bad cold. They got me up nice and early this morning  :innocent: so here's hoping we can all have a relax - and to all of you too. Sure everyone and their furbabes are enjoying the (autumn but better late than never) sunshine  :hug:  :hug:
He *may* go outside on the roof on his harness for 10mins if I think he's up for it later on.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 20, 2008, 10:54:24 AM
Ah bless him, he is doing so well Kate  :hug:

I have let Lulu out in the garden this morning and she is laying on the patio, sunshine makes everyone feel better

xxxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 20, 2008, 11:24:20 AM
May the sun shine everyday for Swampy.  Hope he has a lovely time. :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 20, 2008, 14:33:24 PM
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But it's so lovely to hear that dark brown purr.
   Nom nom nom!   :wow:   The best sound in the world.  :)

Sending lots of loving Pppppprrffffpts to Swampy today, and topping up the healing vibes.  Hee hee hee - am so glad he was "nomming" your finger!  ;D  What a lovely little lad.   :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 20, 2008, 15:41:10 PM
Adding to the encouragement for Swampy...
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 20, 2008, 22:32:28 PM
Hope Swampy (and Max) had a wonderful day full of sunshine.  Hope you all have a good night  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 20, 2008, 22:51:47 PM
Just dropping in to say Night night to Swampy, Hope he has had a good day Kate xx
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 21, 2008, 08:13:40 AM
Topping up the healing vibes for Swampy this morning.   :)   :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: alisonandarchie on September 21, 2008, 09:12:14 AM
Hope Swampy enjoys the sun today :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 21, 2008, 09:27:55 AM
Just here to wish you a sunny day for Swampy and Max  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 21, 2008, 10:06:52 AM
Swampa had a bit of a dip yesterday evening (no eating, no purrs, lying uncomfortably for a couple of hours) but seemed to feel better after being thoroughly washed by Max (Max never used to wash him, other way around -interesting how this has changed the pecking order?). He had a lovely time in the sun yesterday. He got on to and off the bed all by himself twice and sunbathing on the agenda again today. This morning he woke up early and took about 3 hours to finish his breakfast but then found the stairs again and went up....and down!!....all by himself. So sweet and brave he is, watching him coming down, he put one paw out, felt then moved sloooowly. The only thing is is that he's convinced (I think) it's always sunny and he is being denied it by being shut in the lounge and if he could get through the door, it would be sunny on the bed next door! When this good weather ends, he won't approve at all! Vet suggested I get him an infra-red lamp?!!!! That sounds like something I could use as well  ;D
He and Max are separated during the sunny hours now as Max has gone up on to the chest (where the accident started) to zzzz as it's the sunniest spot in the flat by far.
Lots of love and sunny purrs to everyone too  :hug:  :hug: many thanks again. I get such a boost from the messages & I'm sure it's helping the Wampa too xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 21, 2008, 10:08:58 AM
How wonderful that he managed both up and down the stairs, he is obviously adjusting to his disability, such a brave hero boy.  Enjoy the sun today Swampy.  I think it is shining especially for you  :hug:
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Post by: Feline Costumier on September 21, 2008, 10:57:35 AM
It sounds like he is coming along fabulously and adjusting to his new challenges well. What a brave boy.
 
:hug:

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Post by: moiramassey on September 21, 2008, 11:04:41 AM
My cat Willow (RIP) loved lying in the sunlight. When Willow was very old she loved my radiant halogen heater in the winter. These give a lovely glow as well as radiant heat and basking in the light and heat helped her get through her last two winters. I do wonder if Swampy would appreciate one.

As for weighing them, I bought this digital luggage scales to weigh my cats. http://www.lakeland.co.uk/digital-luggage-scale/F/keyword/scales/product/21561  As it has a large maximum weight, you can weigh them in a basket, then take off the weigh of the basket.
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 21, 2008, 11:16:17 AM
What a big brave boy .... the infra light lamp sounds like a good idea or maybe you could try a light box (the sort of thing used by SAD sufferers).

Ebay is the best place for them:  http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=light+box+sad
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 21, 2008, 17:05:11 PM
many thanks for the ideas on the weighing him in his carrier and the lamps (they sound just the ticket for me!). The only thing is I have to be careful with any bright, artificial light with Swamp. Do you know which lamps would be the least invasive (eg we don't have any fluorescent tube lights but they're not allowed and I must be careful with camera flash apparently too, in case it triggers any seizures).

Swampy's not eating as much the last couple of days but is ok, despite Max jumping down from the infamous chest of drawers and landing ON him as he lay sleeping on the bed and knocking him to the floor  - I was right next to him reading, but didn't have time to react. I am pretty much 90% sure that Max knocked him off the chest originally. Anyhow he started breathing hard but I managed to calm him down quite quickly. A nervy moment as you can imagine. I'm hoping Swamps doesn't go off k/d as not sure what low phosphorus wet food I can give him. But k/d goes hard after 10 mins exposed to air so he gets tired eating it as a plate can take him 15 - 20 mins now.
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on September 21, 2008, 18:42:18 PM
There are other kidney foods on VetUK, Rosie liked the Integra despite hating RC, and it is like a pate type food. Some of the Porta 21 foods are low phos too.
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Post by: bunglycat on September 22, 2008, 02:12:46 AM
Just popping on to wish Swampy more get well vibes and topping up the  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all .
Hope you are all having a restful and peaceful night and lots of sunshine for you tomorrow.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 22, 2008, 05:38:09 AM
Morning wishes for Swampy
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 22, 2008, 06:59:41 AM
Topping up Swampy's healing vibes.  :hug: :hug: :hug:  Am so pleased he's been exploring even more on his own, bless him.   :) Paddy sends him a gentle headbutt this morning.   :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on September 22, 2008, 08:51:03 AM
More vibes coming from me too  :hug:
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Post by: moiramassey on September 22, 2008, 09:17:02 AM
A radiant halogrn heater is more like an old fashioned electric fire than anything else but much more efficient and nicer. No flicker.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 22, 2008, 09:18:30 AM
morning all you lovely vibes people. I woke at 3.30 in the night so they thought it might be fun to wake up too,plus Swamp threw up some phlegm all over me at 5am which was just 'great', but otherwise Swampy ate ok this morning (I'll read up on those other foods just in case - many thanks - also for Max as Hills have gone and changed HIS food yet again and he no like) and had his wander up the stairs again and is now planning (I hope) a nice long peaceful zzzz with Max.....sun's looking a bit dodgy today but maybe some later. Love and burmese choccy purrs to everyone  :hug:

PS thanks for the halogen heater post too, typed while I was posting this. How close can you/they get to it if it's halogen (assume gets v hot)?
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Post by: moiramassey on September 22, 2008, 10:22:38 AM
You can't get the one I have any more. If I was buying one I would buy this one and use only one of the two elements. It has 'cool touch housing'.
http://www.focusdiy.co.uk/invt/194975

This is a posher model with a remote control. http://www.focusdiy.co.uk/Heating+Cooling/Focus-16kW-Halogen-Heater-with-Remote-Control/invt/215110
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Post by: Leanne on September 22, 2008, 11:05:45 AM
Awww I'm glad Swampy enjoyed the sunshine,

More vibes from us too  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 22, 2008, 12:07:04 PM
Hope he enjoys the sunshine today  :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 22, 2008, 12:28:30 PM
Some more hugs for brave little Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on September 22, 2008, 14:18:55 PM
Not been on the puter at the weekend so just sneaking in to see how our boy is doing. It sounds like he is doing really well and being very brave going up and down the stairs bless him.

Lots more  :hug: :hug: from me and purrs and head butts from the boys

Here's hoping for some more sunshine for Swampy  ;D
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 22, 2008, 20:15:10 PM
Night night snuggles for Swampy!    :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 22, 2008, 20:16:33 PM
More get well vibes and hugs for our brave little boy  :Luv:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 22, 2008, 20:22:18 PM
Been away at weekend but an pleased to see that Swampy is doing so well  ;D

Lots of cuddles and good vibes to the brave Swampy  :hug:

I was interesed to hear he had a dark brown purr cos Franta has a  bass purr  ;D
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 22, 2008, 20:39:15 PM
That little fella is truly a star.  He seems to be adapting to his new routine so well bless him.  Hope he had a lovely day and you all have a quiet restful night :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 23, 2008, 06:09:53 AM
Hope Swampy has a good day  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 23, 2008, 07:20:29 AM
Just popping by to give Swampy some early morning cuddles, and topping up the healing vibes.   :hug: :hug: :care:  Hope you didn't have any more bile incidents in the early hours Kate - not the loveliest way to be awoken!  ;) :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 23, 2008, 09:13:17 AM
no more puke on mum no (Max had the decency to deposit his RC dry on the carpet!), but Swamp is very miaowy and unsettled this morning, looking around him to sort of say WHY can't I see and wandering and miaowing a lot. Another grot grey day so hope I can settle him down for a sleep soon.  :hug: everyone from all of us.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 23, 2008, 09:18:56 AM
Poor little chap.  I do feel for him.  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on September 23, 2008, 10:27:11 AM
Aww, topping up the hugs and healing vibes from me too  :hug:

Hope you guys get a little bit of sunshine today.
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Post by: bunglycat on September 23, 2008, 13:48:24 PM
Poor little Swampy- he is such a brave little soul -topping up lots of :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for you all and healing vibes for the brave little boy.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 23, 2008, 18:59:45 PM
Give Swampy a big KISS from Me.....Tell him he is a real brave boy and we are all so proud of him
 :hug: for You Kate xx
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 23, 2008, 20:16:25 PM
Sending super duper cuddles and healing vibes for Swampy tonight.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 23, 2008, 20:17:58 PM
Lots of strokes and headbutts to brave Mr Swampy....hope he has a restful night  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 24, 2008, 01:41:02 AM
Lots of healing cuddles and vibes for Swampy and a restful and peaceful night to all of you :hug: :hug: :hug:
Hope there is more improvement tomorrow.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 24, 2008, 05:36:30 AM
Hope the little soldier had a good night and hope he has lots of sunshine today  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 24, 2008, 07:44:54 AM
Sending huge, Swampy sized cuddles to the brave little feller this morning, and Paddy adds more whiskery Ppprffffpppts.  Keeping those healing vibes coming at you both.   :cuddle: :cuddle: :cuddle:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 24, 2008, 09:49:15 AM
thank you! the ppprffftsss always makes me smile!  Swampy had a better night, a purr nice and early and is zzzzing, having eaten most of his brekker today. Bad mum forgot to treat his eye last night so when he wakes up, he will be attacked with fucithalmic. He's never been easy to get pills down (his zentonil etc) but since he's gone blind, he's a horror with that. If and when he does have to have his bloods done, I don't imagine the vet's going to have much luck (the morning of the accident he only got enough for kidney/liver but stopped trying for the biochem as Swampy thought otherwise!). Yesterday Swampy didn't eat too well and whoopsed all his lunch all over the bed (joy) because of his cold. We just take one day at a time and send lots of dark brown purrs, love (and snores) to everyone for caring and being there for him (and me)  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 24, 2008, 09:56:29 AM
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whoopsed all his lunch all over the bed (joy)


Nice one, Swampy.   ;)  Bet that was done with immaculate timing.  :hug: :hug:  Paddy's also a complete varmint with pills, and won't try any of the things many of his Purrs Aunties have very kindly recommended - blobs of primula, bits of ham, slipped inside defurrums, etc.  It's always hit and miss with him. Our Vet gave us a pill syringe to try, but he absolutely hated that and would struggle like mad, so we abandoned it.  So Paddy says he's right with Swampy on that one, mate.  :tired:  Glad Swampy's had his brekkie, and hope he wakes nice and refreshed.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on September 24, 2008, 10:20:03 AM
Just catching up with this - huge hugs to Swampy and his Meowmy! :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on September 24, 2008, 10:25:33 AM
Topping up with the vibes and hugs again this morning, and hoping you have some sunshine today  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 24, 2008, 10:40:47 AM
Blip's another founder member of the 'no pills for me' club.  Hope Swampy has a good and restful day today.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 24, 2008, 11:57:12 AM
well here he is after his fucithalmic. It's not taken with flash as that always makes his eyes look totally extra terrestrial so it's a little dark, but it shows how he "looks" around him when he wakes up. I'll see if I can work out how to post one of them both in bed later. Thought I'd copied that photo file to photobucket but apparently not  :Crazy: Anyhow (hopefully it works) here is my Wampa this morning:

(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/IMG_3792.jpg)
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 24, 2008, 12:04:49 PM
How handsome he looks brave and good little man.  He has so much love directed at him from the Purrs people and cats and such a caring and devoted mummy he can't fail to do well in life.  God bless you Swampy and keep up the wonderful progress.  You make my eyes leak everytime I read about your bravery.
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 24, 2008, 12:27:10 PM
How handsome he looks brave and good little man.  He has so much love directed at him from the Purrs people and cats and such a caring and devoted mummy he can't fail to do well in life. 

Absolutely, he is so lucky to have you  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 24, 2008, 18:23:53 PM
He's so handsome.  Bless him, he deserves to be able to make an excellent recovery, and I do hope eventually he'll regain some vision at least.  Oh what a gorgeous face.  :)    :hug: :hug:  MaddiesMum's right - he has so much love surrounding him, and the most wonderful of mummies.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 24, 2008, 20:40:01 PM
He is such a handsome lad  :Luv:  Sending more vibes for a good night tonight.
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Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 24, 2008, 21:09:02 PM
Aw sweet Swampy.  I'm glad to hear that he is doing so well now. :hug:
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Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on September 24, 2008, 22:20:40 PM
He is such a handome little man  :Luv2:

Lots of gentle  :hug: :hug: and snuggles for our brave little man. Keep it up Swampy you are doing so well.

The boys send more purrs and head butts  :Luv: Have a peaceful night.
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Post by: bunglycat on September 24, 2008, 23:19:33 PM
Ahh, he is gorgeous as well as being such a brave little man - keeping up with the healing vibes and hoping he does get some sight back soon and hopefully all of it when the swelling goes down.
Lots of furry headbuts and  :hug: :hug: :hug: from the persian gang in Lincoln - you are doing such a fantastic job of looking after him and keeping his spirits up.
Have a restful and peaceful night. :Luv2:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 24, 2008, 23:23:57 PM
Swampy is gorgeous and looks very chipper  ;D

Hope he continues to improve a little each day, hugs and cuddles Swampy , have a good rest  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 25, 2008, 06:57:37 AM
Good morning Swampy.  Me and Paddy are sending oodles more healing thoughts your way, and hoping you might see some sunshine today too.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 25, 2008, 10:25:36 AM
From me too  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 25, 2008, 10:46:51 AM
Hi, things are difficult today.  Swampy woke me at 3am vomiting and then just walked crying around the room all night. I couldn't get him to settle at all. This morning it was difficult to get him to eat as he was still agitated but I managed eventually, but he just won't purr and is depressed. His cold's not good either. He took 5 mins to find his water bowl and then drank, moved away, came back to drink etc. Now is lying down as I think very tired. I don't want to take him to the vet as it will just stress him out so I'm just going to look after him at home and see how he goes. OH was going on about how I can't keep spending so much time with Swampy as I am too tired, but he doesn't understand I have to do it. Sorry to moan; hope it's just a bad day and he picks up again. I just can't bear to see him so unhappy. I hope the sun stays out, it looks a bit iffy, as I'm going to take him into the sun now.
Thanks again and big hugs for all your emotional support. It's what helps more than anything  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 25, 2008, 11:03:59 AM
Oh poor baby ... and poor you.  I hkope swampy manages to get some rest today and feels a bit brighter later.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 25, 2008, 12:02:14 PM
I hope you both have a better afternoon, and hoping you get some healing sunshine rays coming your way, its amazing what a bit of sun can do  :)

Topping up the good wishes and  :hug: again anyway, I'm sure with all these positive vibes Swampy will feel better soon  :hug: :hug:

Hang in there hun, you're doing amazingly  :hug:
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Post by: Cheesecat on September 25, 2008, 12:18:28 PM
I just found this thread and read through it... I am so so sorry for whats happened. It just goes to show how these things can come with no warning.

Your Swampy is such a beautiful boy  :Luv: and I hope he picks up soon. Sending you lots and lots of good healing vibes and best wishes from our furry tribe to yours. I hope that there are lots more positives to come.

Big big hugs  :hug: hope you are having a good day - its quite sunny here so hopefully where you are is the same  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 25, 2008, 12:22:07 PM
Morning  :hug:

Ah bless him, he is just having a bad day Kate.... but looking on the positive side the good days do seem to be out weighing the bad days so that has got to be good xxx

I understand where hubby is coming from, he is worried about you, but i also agree with you hun...swampy needs his mummy at the moment.

Hope he settles today xxxxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 25, 2008, 12:43:27 PM
I echo what Michelle says, he is bound to have his off days and they are few and far between, mostly his days are as good as they can be given his circumstances.  It is still early days yet and look how far he has progressed.  I expect your OH is concerned about your welfare but Swampy does need you lots at the moment and you are brilliant with him.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 25, 2008, 14:09:04 PM
well he calmed down a bit in the sun, but it's gone again of course  >:(  but at least he's had a nibble at lunch and is having a zzzz - still lots of pacing and miaowing though and banging into things that he was missing yesterday. I have booked a home visit from the vet next week at great expense, to see how he is in his home environment and to take bloods. Although vet says that the bloods won't be so accurate as fasting ones, I can't see any other way to do it really. 3 weeks now (thanks for everyone's ongoing support, you are wonderful people  :hug:) so it's not realistic to think he will get any sight back.
As sun helps and there won't be any until next summer (maybe....) I must ask the vet about sun simulating lamps but as far as I can work out, they are all halogen. I def need to get him some "sunlight" that is safe.
Blimey, am hoping for a quiet night tonight as haven't had more than 5 hours more than once since his accident - I went for a short swim yesterday and nearly fell back in the pool when I got out (dizzy), think the lifeguard thought oh ho she's been drinking something stronger than milk!!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 25, 2008, 19:57:08 PM
That's good that the vet is doing a home visit.  Hope Swampy calms down again and has plenty of sunshine to warm him.  You take care of yourself too missus  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 25, 2008, 20:13:00 PM
he's doing a new thing today which I don't understand and it is worrying me. When he wakes up, he's making an aggressive noise or showing aggression to Max (or just in general).
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 25, 2008, 21:38:45 PM
The aggression may be frustration / confusion related or it may be pain related.  Hopefully the vet will be able to help xxxxx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 25, 2008, 21:45:30 PM
I hope Swampy is settling now and loves his brother again, sounds like he has just has a rough 24hrs and like the others say , the good days outweigh the bad.

The lack of sun is affecting us all and we have just had a few sunny days and the cats are so much happier.

Swampy needs you now and both of you are doing so well but make sure you get lots of cat naps and dont forget to eat.  Lots of these   :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: and good vibes to you and Swampy.

Hope you both have a restful night.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 25, 2008, 22:15:08 PM
He's probably telling the world not to mess with him, just in case.  Hope you all have a good night  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 25, 2008, 23:10:27 PM
Just popping in to give Swampy a goodnight kiss xx
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 25, 2008, 23:41:44 PM
Poor Swampy.  He must be so confused and disorientated  I hope he picks up and has just been having a bad day  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 26, 2008, 00:24:22 AM
Poor Swampy - bet he gets really frustrated - one day he can see and then he cant ! :(

Sending lots of gentle furry headbuts, purrrrrrs and  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to the brave little man.
Hope you have a better day tomorrow and restful and peaceful night - take care of yourdelf too.
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Post by: clarenmax on September 26, 2008, 09:19:56 AM
Hope you both had a good night?

Lots of sunshine around today hopefully  :hug:

Topping up with the  :hug: and positive vibes again for the day  :Luv:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 26, 2008, 09:46:13 AM
morning  :hug:  Swampy had a good night and is purrier this morning (as is his mum). They both got under the duvet with me on the futon for half an hour which was just purrfectly lovely  :wow: I hope today will be better. I have to go out and so the dilemma is do I leave him in the lounge (no sun) or 'free range' so he can get on and off the sunny bed - which he has been doing but still makes me very nervous. The same issue will come up over the weekend if the weather stays fine as his dad will insist on going out - and I feel so mean shutting him in the lounge when it's nice and sunny elsewhere. Sun's about his only real pleasure now. This stupid flat only gets sun in the bedrooms from 10.30 - 3.30 in autumn and Spring (south facing, but the eaves block it all). I've decided not to take him on the roof. Good news is my insurance say that if the vet writes a letter, they may cover the home visit as well, which is a big relief.
Swampy and Max send lots of purrrrrrrrrrrrrrs to everyone  :thanks:  :blow kiss:
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Post by: Dawn F on September 26, 2008, 09:47:08 AM
glad he is feeling a little better today :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on September 26, 2008, 10:02:25 AM
So glad that you and Swampy had a better night - wishing you both a good day xxx :hug:

Love, huggles and positive vibes for Swampy xxx

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Post by: clarenmax on September 26, 2008, 10:02:44 AM
Glad you both had a good night, and furry futon cuddles sounded fab  :Luv:
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Post by: Leanne on September 26, 2008, 10:15:05 AM
More vibes from us.

Glad Swampy has perked up a bit.

You should also be poroud of yourself and for all the care you are giving him, Swampy is a very lucky boy.   :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 26, 2008, 12:04:14 PM
oooh how lovely two furries under the duvet with you  :Luv2:

Pleased to hear the Swampster is feeling more cheerful this morning  :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on September 26, 2008, 15:51:07 PM
Please give brave little Swampy a chin rub for me. The poor little thing.

x
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Post by: Stuart on September 26, 2008, 16:28:34 PM
So Happy that Swampy babe is feeling a bit chirper today  :Luv: :Luv:  :hug:

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Post by: Mark on September 26, 2008, 16:30:49 PM
Glad to hear he is feeling better - lets hope you both have a nice weekend with the sun out and he continues to improve  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 26, 2008, 18:41:49 PM
Just calling in to give a soothing cuddle to Swampy, and a hug to you too, Kate.  All this is very hard on both of you, and your OH. :hug: :hug: :hug:  Am glad Swampy started the day off in a better fettle than yesterday.  Just remember - one day at a time, each day as it comes.   :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 26, 2008, 20:49:13 PM
I am away this weekend so wont be able to check in on the little soldier boy until Sunday.  In the meantime I hope he has the best possible days and nights and I will keep him in my prayers.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 26, 2008, 22:20:33 PM
A goodnight call in to say sleep well Swampy and you and have a purrrrrfect day tomorrow  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 26, 2008, 22:57:01 PM
thank you so much again and I hope for sun and a peaceful and purrrry weekend for the SwampMax and all the other little furries and their doting slaves as well  :hug: Yes, you are so right Sue, it is one day at a time, sometimes just one hour at a time. I will pass on (via talking to his head) all your lovely messages to my little brown furry when I kiss him goodnight (poor wee man gets about 100 kisses a night). I got a lovely little video tonight of his dad giving him a tum rub and must listen back when I've uploaded it to see if the purrrrrrs came out on the soundtrack. Every moment's so special, especially when he's happy. night night  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 27, 2008, 00:03:57 AM
Popping on here to top up Swampys get well vibes and hoping for a restful night and lots of sun tomorrow for you all .
Glad he had a better day - take care and  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to everyone.
You are doing a fabulous job of looking after him.
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on September 27, 2008, 14:13:17 PM
Dropping in to say hello to Swampy  :hug: and to hope he's having a good day.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 27, 2008, 18:01:34 PM
Quote
Every moment's so special, especially when he's happy.
  Aren't they just?  :)   Popping by to offer Swampy an early evening tummy rub.  And topping up the healing vibes too.   :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 28, 2008, 03:02:12 AM
Topping up week-end healing vibes and :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for Swampy .
Hope you have a restful week-end and enjoy lots of healing sunshine
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Post by: sixfurballs on September 28, 2008, 09:32:05 AM
I've finally managed to catch up with most of this thread. I can't believe how much of a freak accident poor Swampy suffered and what you have all been through since. You must be completely exhausted and I think you are doing an amazing job. Swampy couldn't wish for a better Mum to help him through this. He is an absolutely gorgeous boy and I really do hope things make drastic improvements for all of you.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 28, 2008, 10:23:52 AM
isn't it just lovely to see the sun? I've told OH we should be living somewhere sunny - Swampy worked out how to get to the bedroom and get on to the bed into the sun all by himself this morning  ;D  The sunshine definitely picks him up a bit and he's having a lovely zzzz. Hope all of your furbabes are as well and long may it last (sadly....you know the rest)  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 28, 2008, 12:23:13 PM
I'm glad he's enjoying the sunshine  ;D  Lets hope it lasts and he can continue to snooze in the sun.
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Post by: Baggy on September 28, 2008, 16:11:14 PM
Good to hear he's figuring out how to get around and find the sun  :Luv:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 28, 2008, 19:28:14 PM
problem tonight. Swampy's refusing to eat. He hasn't eaten at all since 1pm when he ate a little bit of a new can - normally by now he'd have had lunch and 2 further small meals. He won't purr either and is lying nose down and just lay there and let Max clean him. He has his cold symptoms, but that's common and hasn't actually stopped him eating before. I'm worried as the vet told me to watch what he eats carefully and to let him know asap if he stops eating. He's had enough today to last him until tomorrow (more than 1/2 can eaten by 9 this morning, only a tiny bit since) but I'm worried about tonight obviously. Sorry to sound neurotic, but he does normally eat. He's been eating a least 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 cans k/d a day on a hand held plate. Today it's under 3/4 of a can, most of it early, so you can see it's a big drop off. He has had a good snooze and was purry until lunchtime when clearly started to feel unwell. I'm just going to let him sleep and try again at about 10.30 or so. I just hope I don't have to take him to the vets tomorrow as he can't do a home visit until the one I have booked on thursday.
sorry to go on.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 28, 2008, 19:30:53 PM
Kate.  You're not "going on"  :hug:

Maybe Swampy is feeling a bit depressed today.  It will take him by fits and starts, I imagine.  Am keeping everything crossed it's nothing more serious than that, and hope you can speak to the vet soon.  I think you're being sensible, the less stress he is subjected to, the better.

Am topping up the healing vibes with some extra strength ones, just for this special little man.   :hug: :hug: :hug:

For you too, Kate.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 28, 2008, 20:58:43 PM
You are certainly not going on, you have endured the unendurable and you need to vent your worries.  Poor little fella, hope he will perk up soon, he will have off days I am sure and most of his days are progressing bit by bit.  Best just to do what you think and keep an eye and if you have to ring the vet do so.  My thoughts are with you during this roller coaster time and big hugs to you and Swampy and Max too  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on September 28, 2008, 21:33:47 PM
:grouphug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 28, 2008, 21:41:17 PM
Topping up with some more Swampy vibes this evening, come on little one, have some more food for us  :Luv:

And topping up with some more of these too  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 28, 2008, 21:54:25 PM
5 mins ago I tried him with a little food, he ate less than a teaspoon and turned away so I tried Max's food (smellier and easier to lick - Hills senior turkey pate) and he ate half a teaspoon then got so food phobic he left the futon and wandered off for a short walk, then came back to lie down. I got a little purr but he is feeling very poorly. Even when just home with terrible liver disease from hospital he ate (L/d:most healthy cats won't touch it). He's very brave and normally does eat, not like Max who won't eat if he's upset about anything at all.
I think I'll leave it tonight and just hope and pray he eats in the morning because if not, he will have to probably go down to the vet. I am so scared to put him in the carrier and take him down to be honest. I keep replaying the scene in my head from when it all happened.
It's a bit of a shock because he was fine up until this afternoon.  Thanks for all your kind words and prayers and vibes for my Swampy  :hug:  :hug: I'll pass them on to his head right now.
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on September 28, 2008, 22:31:48 PM
Sending lots of healing vibes for our Swampy  :hug:  This must be so stressful for you  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 28, 2008, 23:02:10 PM
We are all going to send extra strong healing vibes tonight for Swampy  - hope he is eating and feeling much better tomorow :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Please take care -you are doing a fantastic job of taking care of him -he couldn''t be in better hands .
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 28, 2008, 23:15:21 PM
lots of special vibes to swampy tonight and hope he feels hungry in the morning. you are doing a great job with him  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 29, 2008, 05:06:58 AM
Hope Swampy picked up later on and ate something.  He has had a bad trauma at the end of the day and I am sure he will have bad days.  You could ring the vet to see if he can suggest anything you can do at home.  Love and hugs and looking forward to a positive update later  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 29, 2008, 08:22:33 AM
Am sending some extra vibes for Swampy this morning, and hoping that he's had a better night.  C'mon litle feller.   :hug:   
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Post by: clarenmax on September 29, 2008, 09:14:23 AM
Hope Swampy had a better  night, and has enjoyed some breakfast, purrs and cuddles this morning  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 29, 2008, 09:32:20 AM
now I'm really not sure what to do, as he's happy within himself but is still off his food - he was sick at midnight a couple of times, then slept, then this morning he wouldn't lie down and sleep (sat upright) & only ate a little bit. To be graphic, he pooed when he'd not eaten enough to warrant it either. We've had about 4 tries at breakfast since 6am and he's eaten def less than 1/4 can in all, probably closer to 1/6th can of k/d and a teaspoon of Max's senior. Just licked at some of the soft bits, making 'holes' in the flat plate where the food's spread out thinly. I've had to chuck a lot so am not sure how much he's eaten, just that it's a lot less than normal. I gave him a 1/4 pepcid. I've been told to be careful with him and pepcid but thought it may help as he was gulping, licking lips and swallowing loudly, just generally I mean, not while he's eating. So I rang the vet to find there's a locum on duty until thurs  but made an appointment anyhow.
Then Swampy wobbled upstairs and down again and  took himself down the passage without crying and plopped on to the other bed which he's not managed before today and the purrs have come back.

So he's lively in himself but is really off his food. OH and I decided that we can't take him down to the vet unless the vet's going to have something definite to do for him, because of the stress, but nor can we just leave him not eating enough either. I've bounced the appointment until this afternoon to see if he eats any lunch.
I couldn't speak to the locum vet, hope he's a good one anyhow as have no idea and he doesn't know Swampy. But don't think this can wait until thursday (how little can they eat and it's ok? 1/2 can?).
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: tab on September 29, 2008, 09:38:21 AM
I hope he eats some more soon and the vet visit isnt needed. How worrying for you but also how great that he's ventured further than before
More vibes on the way
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 29, 2008, 09:43:02 AM
At least he has eaten something, albeit a small amount, some has to be better than none I'm sure  :hug:  If he's doing the gulping it may just be that he's feeling sick and just doesn't really fancy anything, hopefully he'll eat a little more in a while. I guess little and often is the way to keep the food intake up if you can  :hug:

Hope the vet visit is not necessary later on xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 29, 2008, 09:47:52 AM
Kate, this is a tricky one, and I can appreciate how you're feeling.

Paddy has a few health problems which, coupled with his age, over the past two years have led to his appetite being affected.  He is often sick after a meal, and it's not unusual for him to lose weight quite rapidly over a few days when he goes off his food - sometimes he won't eat for almost three days at a time.  Because he gets regular vet visits for his other health issues, we've been able to monitor him pretty well, and if things get too bad, he gets an appetite stimulant injection.  However, because of Swampy's liver problems and the brain injury, it's hard to say whether this could just be an off day, or something more serious.

It's doubly awkward for you because your regular vet is away.

I think if you're able I would have a talk with the locum vet, explain Swampy's history and your concerns over the last couple of days.  Emphasise the fact that you don't want to be traipsing Swampy to the surgery un-necessarily, particlarly having regard to the fits he had last time, and the stress he was under, physical and mental.   A locum will generally be less willing to comment without sight of their patient, but he may have some ideas about whether you could safely leave a consultation a day or two, and see how Swampy progresses in the interim.  Obviously you'd monitor him carefully yourself, as you have been doing.  

At least he is still eating a little.   And he's toddled about on his own again.

I think my gut instinct in your position would be to see how it goes today - if he's okay in himself in all other respects (having regard to his recent trauma)  then I would probably not stress him out with a trip to the vet, and would try to hold out until Thursday's home visit.  
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 29, 2008, 12:08:55 PM
Is he eating treats?   Maybe try him with something difference, chicken, sardines, tuna just a little to see if he is actually not eating or not interested in the food you are giving him.  Glad he has gone upstairs all on his own.  Clever boy.  Keep us posted and a I think the advice to speak to the locum is wise.  No point in stressing him and putting him through it if not necessary. Best of luck come on Swampy  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: JackSpratt on September 29, 2008, 13:11:46 PM
I think as Sue said, see how he goes today. It's difficult to know what to do for the best in circumstances like this, and one of the hardest parts is the thinking there's something more you could be doing. It's not always going to be the case, and it sounds like you're doing everything you can.

Hope Swampy manages to eat more today - sending him a fuss; and sending you, your partner and Max a moral support hug. :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on September 29, 2008, 13:31:38 PM
Any more news??

More vibes and hugs to you all  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 29, 2008, 13:37:03 PM
thanks peeps  :hug: this is tricky. He's spent a happy morning in the sun on the bed, so I thought I'd try to feed him a bit. Small plate of k.d (eg 1/8th can or less) - he ate a few mouthfuls then pawed to say enough. So I found some Specifics stinky fish food in the cupboard (in case it's his cold or mucus bothering him) and put a little of that in front of him. He started licking at it but it needs more effort than licking to pick up (more than k/d) so after less than a teaspoon, he stopped and out came the paw and he's moved away, miaowing. I need to get him to eat without making him food phobic (or sick, from trying too many foods at once).
I'm going to try to blend some RC renal - which he used to eat and is liquid - to see if that goes down the hatch at all. I'm beginning to wonder what it could be as it was so sudden - it's very strange to eat his k/d well after such a trauma, eat well yesterday morning and then suddenly despite moving around (I don't think he would if he was totally nauseous????) stop eating. He likes k/d; the vet was amazed that he agreed to eat that in the middle of the night after his seizures and while in hospital on a drip rather than a/d for eg. K/d is soft (for the first few mins anyhow) and has lots of calories too.

I'm warming to the idea of letting the vet have a look at him actually, just in case he has a trick up his sleeve or a vit B jab may help, although again, if Swamp was anaemic, wouldn't he be listless? Do you think it's most likely to be fatigue or nausea? I'm absolutely baffled, based on his recent eating and behaviour. If his CRF had suddenly got a lot worse, wouldn't he be really miserable and wouldn't the not eating be more gradual? And liver he'd be vomiting I think. Feeling green from his mucus/cold is top of the list of suspects, but not sure why now (he's had it for years and eaten) - besides not sure what the vet can do for that which is a huge worry too. He had a convenia jab on 5 Sept so it's quite soon for another one.
I suppose I should try to find the thermometer and take his temp.
I have until 3.30 to decide - they want to know then as his appointment's at 4.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 29, 2008, 16:11:23 PM
Hi hunny,
Sorry you are so worried about Swampy, I wonder though if the reason he isnt eating as much is because he is less active now ?
As you say, he seems happey enough.

Let us know if you decided to pop to the vets

lots and kisses to Swampy as always......
and a  :hug: for you
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 29, 2008, 16:43:40 PM
If you did go to the vets, hope all went well  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 29, 2008, 17:29:10 PM
vet said to try to wait for thursday as long as Swampy is eating a little, even very little. Obviously if things get worse, he must see the vet. I just fed Swampy - very little. He started eating the blended stuff or rather licking, for about 30 secs then stopped and moved away. So I tried his k/d. He ate for 20 secs, seemed to be enjoying it ok, then got a bit stuck in his mouth and that was that. The paw started. I wonder if his mouth is hurting him, although I don't think that is the only reason. Baffled and just hope and pray it improves asap.

also when he's eaten, he won't purr. Sits looking uncomfortable and if he's feeling a bit yuk. He was full of purrs before I fed him. If the 50 secs sounds like a lot of food, it isn't. It's about 1 - 2 square inches of food off a flat plate.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 29, 2008, 19:46:06 PM
It could be his mouth is sore.  Maybe starting with a dental problem (hope not) or he might just be having an off day.  Just keep trying that's all you can do and see how he goes on.  Best of luck  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 29, 2008, 20:06:25 PM
 :hug: :hug:  Sending soothing cuddles for Swampy.  I would still try and hold out until Thursday, but see how he goes tomorrow.  He's a game little lad, and he might just be feeling fractious.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 29, 2008, 22:43:05 PM
Swampy licked up a little plate of 2 tablespoons of smooth, blended RC renal food in a couple of gos tonight from his mum's under-the-bed stash marked "nice food for tough days". I just hope that this means that he will eat a bit tomorrow, but we still don't know why he's suddenly doing this. Do you know if it's safe for me to give him Pepcid (1/4 tablet) every day or must it be every 2 days?
 Thank you again, lovely Purrs peeps and we send purrs and love to you all  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 29, 2008, 22:48:57 PM
. Do you know if it's safe for me to give him Pepcid (1/4 tablet) every day or must it be every 2 days?
 

Please ask your vet hun, dont take any chances by following any advice other than from him  :hug:

Glad Swampy has eaten a while......
Make sure he gets a kiss from me and tell him he's a clever boy  :Luv2:

Night Kate xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 29, 2008, 23:23:13 PM
Sorry that Swampy has been having a toiugh day , although I must say that I am very impresse that he is getting around so well.  ;D

The two things that sprung to mind have been mentioned  ie sore mouth and because he is not ver active he is not using up the food he has eaten.

Have you tried monitoring his weight or would this be too stressful for him? Cos if he is not losing weight then he is eating enough for him probably.

How big is a can of kd, is ad size or bigger?

It could be that he just doesnt need to eat so much as he did before cos it sounds that he had an extremely heathly appetite. I used to be over the moon if I could get Kocka to eat a whole tin of ad a day, in very small sittings cos it was usually about half a tin and anything else she may desire, like licking gravy from pouch food.

Just another thought , could it be that he was eating a bit too well before. I think it wiuld be great for him to be doing what ever is ideal but it maybe now, that  maintenance only food is best for him. I wish he could tell us how he feels but he seems to be very clever telling you thats enough. Sounds like very small meals regurally might be the only way he can eat.

Lots of good vibes for Swampy tonight and I reckon that every purr you get and every step he takes on his own is the bestest thing in the world  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: HaneyHarperIndyMum (Val) on September 30, 2008, 01:47:56 AM
Just wanted to put in a goodnight hug and get well wishes for Swampy.   :hug:  I'm sorry he is not doing as well as you had hoped.  I agree with Gill that very small meals regularly might be the only way he can eat, at least he seems to want to eat some and has not refused to eat, so that is positive. 

Come on Swampy, try a little bit harder sweetie, you can do it!  Get Well :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 30, 2008, 07:13:09 AM
Morning Kate.  Just wanted to say that Paddy has been very busy overnight, sending lots and lots of healing purrs and positive thoughts for Swampy.

Gill's thoughts have followed my own too - as long as he is eating - albeit much less than before - it's a good sign.    Having regard to the fact that Swampy's world is not only devoid of sound now, but vision too, I suspect things might just get on top of him a bit more than before.  Sometimes when people are having to adjust to major changes in their lives, they get quirky too, and have up and down days - days where they maybe don't want to eat, or don't want to get dressed, or don't want to see anyone.  I suspect cats are no different (although of course they're always wearing exactly the right clothes for every occasion  ;) ) 

Try not to worry too much, petal, as long as he's still getting something into him.

Ah yes -and Paddy says not to forget to pass on his whiskery PPPPPPrrffffpppt!  :)   And er - oh yes, he's also very impressed with Swampy's Mum's under-the-bed stash.  Says there's only dust under his Mum's bed.   :shy:

 :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: spinningfishwife on September 30, 2008, 07:32:47 AM
This may sound really daft and I'm not any sort of expert on sick cats, but the gulping air and swallowing is just what I used to do all the time I was pregnant and had chronic indigestion and heartburn. I assume that's why the vet gave him Peptid? The only thing that worked for me (apart from Gaviscon, which I loathed) was milk and plain yoghurt, so have you tried warm kitten milk or perhaps some goats milk yoghurt? It might sooth a sore mouth as well.

Sorry if this is a No1 daft suggestion, but it worked for me!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 30, 2008, 09:30:45 AM
hello and many thanks and big big  :hug:s again. What you are doing, sending him so much love and good vibes, is helping as Swamp ate a bit this morning - k/d, off a plate I held, in 3 brekkers he's had 1/3rd can of the under the bed stash! I am so so pleased but we will be taking it gently today as last night he was feeling a bit off again. I'm eyeing the new tray of k/d suspiciously in case it made his tum sore or something. I stress about what goes into cans, especially with each batch being a bit different consistency,  Chinese ingredients and also the price of rice having gone up so steeply - are they still using top quality rice you wonder?! (Not intending to suggest they are doing anything untoward, just thinking hmmm, hope they are keeping their Q.C. up to scratch). Yes, it's the same 156g size as the a/d and yes, I do manage to weigh him about twice a week. Yes, I give him plain yoghurt to lick and must get in some more as he loves that. I think it helps so not a daft suggestion at all!
The locum vet isn't sure about the Pepcid as it's american formulation but thinks it would be ok. I will give him 1/4 again today as I do think he's starting to have indigestion.

So we send lots of PPPPPrrrrfffffppppppptts back to little Paddy and all his other e-purr friends too. There's dust all around the under bed stash too here  ;) I can't vacuum it too often as the noise upsets da Max (clear throat here  :rofl:).
Swampy's an awful lot braver than I'd have been and is just an inspiration. The day he stopped eating was sunny (gone again today here and is grey) and he was pretty happy, so it is baffling. I have to think his tum just didn't feel well. I hope he's now feeling better but am not counting any chickens just yet.  As you'll have worked out, I could worry for England, gold medal for sure. I have such a terribly close bond with Swamp and can tell when he's not happy but of course can't always put it right.
zzzzzs all round here now as they've worked out today is not sunny :-(    :thanks: and  :hug:  :hug: (sorry such a long post again, eye strain for everyone).
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 30, 2008, 09:41:30 AM
I am glad he has eaten some this morning.  My heart goes out to you as you must be up and down emotionally all the time.  Try not to stress too much (easier said than done I know) as Swampy boy will pick up your vibes.  Maybe as he has lost his hearing and sight warming his food a little or giving him something strong smelling might encourage him to eat more.  However, he is nowhere near as active as he was and his intake is therefore bound to reduce I think (sure someone will correct me if I am wrong).

Please do not apologise for long posts, we all want to hear everything that is going on with Swampy so we know when to send extra hugs as well as the usual daily ones.

You are doing a magnificent job and the little man must feel your love and protection surround him.  Hope today is a good, albeit sunless day, for all of you.

Hugs, hugs and more hugs xxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on September 30, 2008, 09:51:29 AM
Just topping up the positive get well vibes for Swampy  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 30, 2008, 11:12:25 AM
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Please do not apologise for long posts, we all want to hear everything that is going on with Swampy so we know when to send extra hugs as well as the usual daily ones.

Too right!  Well said.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 30, 2008, 12:03:03 PM
Glad he's eaten a bit more today, that's got to be a good sign.  Shame there's no sunshine, I'd send some over if I could, but all we have is rain :(

Topping up with some more healing vibes, and some more of these  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on September 30, 2008, 12:35:38 PM
Swampymaxmum you are an inspiration to everyone in how you have cared for your little man (I know we'd all do the same but still), and how much you love them shines though in your posts. I take my hat off to you.

I wish there was some sunshine for Swampy today.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 30, 2008, 13:39:21 PM
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Please do not apologise for long posts, we all want to hear everything that is going on with Swampy so we know when to send extra hugs as well as the usual daily ones.

Too right!  Well said.

I so agree, we hang on every bit of news concerning Swampy.

Many of us here have our own cats and all those adopted ones belonging to Purrs peeps and they are as much part of our families as they are their owners slaves.  :shify:

Lots more good vibes for Swampy and I cant send any sun either cos we had too much of the wet stuff tipping down  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sheryl on September 30, 2008, 14:28:39 PM
What a brave and wonderful boy xxx

Still sending love, huggles and positive vibes xxx

 :hug: for you Kate - take care Hun xxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 30, 2008, 14:53:12 PM
Glad to hear he's eaten a bit today, topping up the positive vibes!  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on September 30, 2008, 15:03:52 PM
We've just had a tiny 5 minute snippet of sun through the cloud cover - its winging its way to Swampy now  :Luv: :Luv:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 30, 2008, 19:34:35 PM
Swampymaxmum you are an inspiration to everyone in how you have cared for your little man (I know we'd all do the same but still), and how much you love them shines though in your posts. I take my hat off to you.

I wish there was some sunshine for Swampy today.




I couldn't have said it better myself  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on September 30, 2008, 19:44:22 PM
nor could I
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sixfurballs on September 30, 2008, 20:04:41 PM
Glad to hear the little guy has eaten something and hope he has improved some today. All six furballs are routing for him.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 30, 2008, 20:09:41 PM
Topping up the evening hugs and vibes for Swampy.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Kirst on September 30, 2008, 22:19:42 PM
A late night top up for swamnpoy and some furry headbutts form Jerry and Beavis - Gizzy sends a pppppft as his head butts can be a bit too vigorous for poorly puds! :Luv2:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on September 30, 2008, 22:48:33 PM
the sun didn't arrive, but all your wonderful messages have been ppffftt'd on to Swamp  ;D who ate fine today! He had some k/d and then ate 2 little plates of blended RC renal too. I hope this means that he's now definitely feeling better. I'm going to avoid the food I gave him on the day he got sick (neurotic that I am, I note down batch nos!). Max is very chipper tonight and tried to play, which is hard as Swampy seems to want to but can't as he just can't see the paws flying at him so backs off and gets nervous (imagine being blind and having a paw in your face and a bite on your back out of the blue - oops). But here's hoping for a peaceful night for us on our futon* and for all of you too  - mega head butts and  :hug: all round and thanks to all of you (some with hairier legs than others   :)) for your messages of support to both Swampy and his mum. 
Btw is it possible for glucosamine to upset tums as that's the only fairly new arrangement he's been on as well, mixed into his food. He's very arthritic but I've stopped it until I check what it is and speak to the vet.

* someone tell the japanese the world won't end if they add a couple of inches to the mattress  :Crazy:

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Lynds on September 30, 2008, 23:00:06 PM
Just dropped by to say night night and I'm sending positive vibes to you.


Lynds x

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on September 30, 2008, 23:46:51 PM
Just dropping in to top up healing vibes for the Swampy boy-  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all and hoping its a resful night with Swampy waking up feeling better and with a good appetite .
Wouldn''t think its very nice when he cant see the paws coming at him -bless him :Luv2: :Luv2:

I was on the phone earlier - just as another cat came into the garden and unfortunately Winston was outside , so being me , when Winston jumped on the fence to go after it, ( i was still on the phone ,so only had one hand free) i picked him up from the fence and i think he thought the cat had gone back round and attacked him- so - i got all his teeth and claws in my bare arm - ouch !
He went straight under my car then which was on the drive and i was still trying to get him in , talk to my sister on the phone and had blood running down my arm!!!
Anyway, he came in and had his supper and went to bed - i know he didnt realise it was me - or at least i hope he didnt - either that or he just didnt want me to get him in !
Anyway , hope tomorrow is a good day for you all.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 01, 2008, 00:31:24 AM
Lots of goodnight wishes for Swampy and hope he has a good nights rest and you too  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on October 01, 2008, 05:59:59 AM
Well done Swampy boy, so glad you are eating again.  Kate will you stop saying you are neurotic and/or worrying for nothing.  What happened to Swampy was serious and you are right to monitor every little thing to help him on his road to recovery.  We are all behind you (as is the cat army) and we are thinking of you and sending all our positive thoughs for Swampy boy.  He is doing so well, all things considered, and it is a testament to the loving care you give to him.  You are doing a brilliant job.  Big hugs to you all today and hope things are calm.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 01, 2008, 07:11:53 AM
So pleased that Swampy got some decent food inside of him yesterday.  :wow:  :hug: :hug:  Not sure about the glucosamine, Kate.  I haven't heard of any ill effects from using it as a supplement in the recommended doses, but not everyone reacts the same, so might be worth mentioning to the vet on Thursday, and see what he thinks?  Think it's unlikely to have been that, but maybe still check it out.

Poor Max, bless him - what a little tinker!  Am not surprised Swampy was nervous.  :shify: 

And you want a couple of extra inches on your futon?  The end of the world is nigh.....  :rofl:   I  actually heard on the news last night that the Japanese economy is also facing major recession due to its reliance on the US market, so doubt you'll get your extra inches this side of Christmas.  ;)

Topping up the morning cuddles and healing vibes for Swampy.  xxx :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 01, 2008, 09:03:23 AM
Hope the sun shines on the brave Swampy today  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on October 01, 2008, 09:04:37 AM
Morning, hope that you and Swampy (and Max of course!) had a good night, despite the futon matress being too thin lol!  I used to use a duvet over the 'matress' to make it a bit more comfortable on the rare occasion I slept on one!

Not sure if you've got any sun today, but we have a very sunny morning in Surrey, so will send some your way, just in case.

A ray of sunshine for our little ray of sunshine  :Luv:

Anyway, topping up the  :hug: and vibes again this morning, and hope you have a good day with lots of nom noms and purrs xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 01, 2008, 09:35:06 AM
A weeny bit of sun has arrived but his zzzzzness hasn't realised just yet.  If I can place an order for some sunshine, he needs it at about 11 to about 3 please as that's when it's on the (comfy: lol) bed in the bedroom!   ;D He is not too bad this morning, not very active but had 1/4 can k/d breakfast/s. However I'm concerned by the noise he often makes lately when swallowing (not when eating or drinking) ie he sits upright on the futon and licks his mouth (not nausea I really don't think) and makes very harsh, loud swallowing noises -  different from his more usual mucus-going-down swallowing noises. It's more like the noise when a cat retches actually. I'm a bit worried that he has something in his throat, a blockage or something horrible. Of course I can't check as he won't allow it (I tried: dismal failure) and certainly won't allow the vet to look! Plus there's probably nothing we could do anyhow, so I'll try to take it as it comes. Looking after him is a rollercoaster and it's so comforting to have all of you to help me cope with it all.

I already have a duvet on the futon mattress but I'm getting to be an old sheep and not sleeping well, so need a bit more comfort. I'm eyeing a mattress topper (can't get to ikea and they're no longer cheap if you pay for delivery). I will justify it of course by saying that the boys need a bit more comfort for their old bones  ;)   :grouphug: to everyone from all of us.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on October 01, 2008, 10:38:22 AM
If you have an Aldi near you -they have a mattress topper in i think its this week -memory foam - not sure of price , but memory foam is good - i have one .
You may be able to check Aldi online.
Hope the sun is with you for Swampy today- will send some over from Lincoln.!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 01, 2008, 18:48:01 PM
Even an inexpensive mattress topper can only be an improvement Kate.  Futons never strike me as very comfortable at the best of times!  :hug: :hug:  Hope you and Swampy have had a good day.  Topping up the healing vibes, and sending a little tummy rub for Swampy.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 01, 2008, 19:11:26 PM
I hope Swampy had his ration of sun , we did have some during the prescribed hours but it was still nippy out there.

Hope you get your sleeping arrangements sorted, Swampys throat may just have been dry.

Lots more cuddle and good vibes for Mr Swampy  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on October 01, 2008, 21:47:28 PM
Hope you all had a good day and have a restful night on your futon
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Post by: clarenmax on October 01, 2008, 21:51:48 PM
Hope you all have a restful night  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 02, 2008, 00:19:28 AM
Topping up the healing vibes - hope you have a resful night and sunny day tomorrow :hug: :hug: :hug: to all of you
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 02, 2008, 01:33:32 AM
Have a good rest Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 02, 2008, 07:04:10 AM
Morning Kate.  Sending early morning hugs and healing snuzzles to you and Swampy.    :care:  Is today the vet's visit?  If so, I hope that he'll be delighted with Swampy's progress and your care of him, and that he'll be able to set your mind at rest over some of the issues that've been worrying you, such as Swampy's  swallowing, and his not wanting to eat much the other day.    :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 02, 2008, 08:55:12 AM
I echo what Sue P says hope the vet visit goes well and that he is happy with the boy's progress.  Looking forward to our daily update  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 02, 2008, 09:35:14 AM
Today's the vet's visit IF he finishes operating early enough to come. Max decided to try to throw up on me at 4am so I've had a bit less sleep than I wanted (mattress toppers back on the agenda but Aldi nowhere near here and the internet says £100  :shocked: for a Uk made memory foam double). But the sun's out and he's found it. He ate quite well this morning, not so much of his own, but then to my amazement just now he ambled into the kitchen and started helping himself to a bit of Max's RC dry! I wonder if that's the Pepcid talking as he's not done that for yonks?! I'll let you know if he allows blood to be taken at home. Last time the vet only got enough for the kidney and liver tests, not the biochem due to "non co-operation of the patient". Anyhow must make a list of questions and also tidy up a bit (oops).
 :hug: to everyone, hope the sun stays out and we all have a peaceful day.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 02, 2008, 10:24:50 AM
Clever boy Swampy  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Mark on October 02, 2008, 13:45:25 PM
I'm glad Swampy is feeling well enough to nick food  :Luv2:

Also good that you are getting a UK made topper. The cheaper ones are mainly Chinese which I wouldn't buy for lots of reasons, one being that they contain nasty chemicals which seep out into the atmosphere.

I think if I hadn't stopped buying Chinese made before, I would have now as I wouldn't trust anything made there. I hope the rest of the world has the same views.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 02, 2008, 15:03:03 PM
The vet came and took a little blood from Swampy's leg as he wouldn't allow it from his neck. Didn't get enough to do all the tests. He said how old Swampy was looking and how this has really knocked him back and what an old, retired boy he was now. Swampy's also a bit dehydrated, so I have to syringe water into him and put water in his food (he only drinks in the early mornings). He nicked some more of Max's food while the vet was talking to me, which I took as a good sign, but he seems to think that seeing Swampy at home, he can see how he has really deteriorated since he first saw him (2 years ago). He told me that Swampy is at very high risk of another accident because he is blind and deaf and has some signs of dementia, so it's good that I'm unemployed and can stay and look after him until the end.

As Swampy'd had a better start to the day, I'm in tears as I type this as I KNOW he's old and hasn't got too long left, but I'm so proud of how well he's done and I suppose I thought the vet would be pleased wit him and I just don't want him to suffer. I don't think he's suffering right now. Anyhow we will know more about the kidneys and liver tomorrow evening or saturday morning and I"m nervous about that as he had not just the trauma but huge doses of drugs.  And the vet was nice and said he'll do a letter for the insurance about the home visit as thinks the less stress Swamps has the better. Swampy even let him pick him up and cuddle him too - it was so much better than a surgery visit. I also have to give him some potassium in his food. He thinks the days off eating were probably due to his CRF spiking, but we should know more when the results come back. And his gulping and licking is because his nose is blocked.

He also told me we probably aren't there yet (results depending) but there's a new thing for CRF cats that avoids sub Qs, if they keep it in place (IF)  - a tube inserted in their vein which you just top up with saline every few hours.  The risk there is infection. It all sounds more than I was hoping for right now I suppose.

The only thing that made me smile was when Max came to see what was going on, took one look and went WAAAH no, and disappeared. Not just a pretty face is our Max!

So I'm just going to keep looking after my beloved purry old man as best I can.  One thing he did say was that a heat lamp like for SAD but with UV rays that generate vitamin D would really help him feel better.  If anyone can help me find that (must be infra red and UV mix to a certain frequency that gives off vit D; not just halogen heater type) on google, I'd be very grateful. I'm not sure what to google really. Vet says I can send him the links by email and he'll tell me what's best.

thanks again to you all for listening and reading this. Swampy's purring his head off now so he's going to get another cuddle and 400 kisses. Wouldn't eat much lunch but I hope he eats something nice later  :hug:  :hug: from us all. He is in the sun and enjoying it.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 02, 2008, 15:16:12 PM
Well I am sorry that the vet said all those things to you and has upset you.  It is awful when we realise they are getting older and frailer.  How old is Swampy?  Anyway regardless of what the vet said he has done wonderfully well and seems to be adjusting a little at a time to his new disability.  Hopefully the results wont be as bad as you are fearing and remember we are all here for you.  Big  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 02, 2008, 15:27:26 PM
Swampy will be 17 on 16 October. He's had a lot of bad luck with health since 2005 though so maybe he feels a bit older than that. 2005 - big op for rabies vaccine caused tumour in France; 2006 freak reaction to Torbugesic sedative given for routine heart scan so he almost died from acute cholangiohepatitis; now this.

sending lots and lots of mega purrs and  :hug:  Don't know what I'd do without Purrs (and purrs) xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 02, 2008, 15:31:02 PM
Try www.acquatics-online.co.uk - they have infra red/UV lamps listed.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 02, 2008, 15:32:56 PM
Well that just goes to prove what a wonderful little survivor and fighter he is.  Bless him I want to give him a big hug - he is magnificent, so brave and strong and he has a wonderful family to love and care for him.  I so hope he has plenty of sunshine and that the lamp can help him.  My eyes are leaking right now
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Post by: Mark on October 02, 2008, 18:28:10 PM
http://www.24parrot.com/product.asp?cat_id=168&pf_id=8130a&jump=4&sfile=1=

I have done a bit of reading and this brand of lamp works well. The advantage is you only have to buy a striplight or a bulb, rather than a whole unit although they do also sell units.

Here is the manufacturers site http://www.arcadia-uk.info/product.php?pid=16&mid=13&lan=en

I saw their name mentioned on a few sites.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 02, 2008, 19:49:01 PM
He said how old Swampy was looking and how this has really knocked him back and what an old, retired boy he was now.

 As Swampy'd had a better start to the day, I'm in tears as I type this as I KNOW he's old and hasn't got too long left, but I'm so proud of how well he's done

Thats a pretty insensitive thing for the vet to say - but there you go, some vets just don't have that bedisde manner do they?  :-: Of course he's going to look different from when the vet last saw him two years ago! Anyway, you know how much Swampy's improved since the accident,  and I'm sure he will continue to do so with your love, care and attention.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 02, 2008, 22:39:23 PM
Yes well I suppose vets do see illness so much - I guess I'm tired and he said things I wasn't expecting. I'm worried about the test results too, but I'm not expecting them to be too brilliant. Poor wee boy just threw up all over the only bit of the paper I'd not read  (taking Pepcid and Zentonil doses for today with it :( ). All I can do is what all of you are doing too, which is to look after my little one as best as I can and to keep him as happy as possible for as long as possible.

On the light thing, thanks Mark.  I'm probably being thick, but how would you use it with a cat if they don't always sleep in the same place? I wonder what it's range is?  And thanks for the infra red link Maddiesmum - they seem to be often designed to warm up turtles and reptiles so I suppose really hot?! I've emailed the companies to ask about products.  I read (no science boffin me) on the internet that UV and Infra red occupy different parts of the spectrum, so it may not be possible to find them both in one suitable lamp (?). Mind you there was a medical one for $800 on the web  :Crazy:   Swampy needs to be warm (not hot) and get vit D.....his mum too. I read that we need 15 mins of sun a day!





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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 02, 2008, 22:51:12 PM
I am sorry that the vet said all that stuff and wish they would be a bit more sensitive to the hoomans feelings.  :hug:

None of us are getting younger and when you havent seen someone dor a while you notice changes that someone with them dont and I can look back at pictures of Kocka and I didnt notice at the time how bad she was looking cos I was with her all the time.

I think that Swampy has done so well and your love and care must have helped him so much. To think he is walking around finding food and the sunny bits to lie in, if you think back you never expected him to do these things, Cats are so remarkable.

Lots of snuggles to Swampy tonight and a good rest for both of you  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Mark on October 02, 2008, 23:20:21 PM
how would you use it with a cat if they don't always sleep in the same place?

I don't know what the range is but the blurb on the manufacturers site say it is good for vitamin D.

I was wondering if you bought a bulb and put it in a regular lamp, you could move it around. I was thinking maybe a desk lamp that has a bendy shower hose type thing.
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Post by: bunglycat on October 03, 2008, 00:00:09 AM
Hi,
That was a bit insensitive for the vet to say that - if it had been me -i would have felt upset too !
I thinkSwampy is doing fabulous considering all his health problems and the accident - you are doing an incredible job of looking after him .
My mums cat started looking old when it got to 15 - but sge lived till the beginning of this year and  was 22 then when she died - she  had heart problems and other illnesses , but kept going and then died in her sleep.
So heres hoping Swampy is around till he is 22 +
Sending lots of healing vibes to Swampy and sunshine for tomorrow.
Lots of positive vibes for you and  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to all of you.
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Post by: Stuart on October 03, 2008, 05:59:20 AM
I really feel for you just now  :hug: I think you are doing an outstanding job and your doing the Best you can do for Swampy  :Luv:
Sorry that your vet thinks he has deteriorated, but living things have a strange way of soldiering on when the odds seem stacked
against them, as long as there is the will to carry on!!
and remember Vet's do get it wrong at times !!

Sending all My Healing thought's to Swampy and Hugs for you both
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

p.s. give Swampy a chin rub from Me and Misty :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:


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Post by: clarenmax on October 03, 2008, 08:56:51 AM
I can only echo what the others have already said hun, you are doing an amazing job with darling Swampy  :hug:

Hope you guys had a good night, and that you can find a suitable lamp for the both of you  :)

Topping up with some Friday morning sunshine vibes and lots more  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 03, 2008, 10:39:28 AM
thanks again everyone  :hug:  I'm a bit zonked Mark so it didn't occur to me to put in a bulb in a desk lamp! That sounds a good idea. I'm going to forward the links on to the vet for his approval as we have to be a bit careful with any artificial light. Swampy got some kip last night (I must do something about making myself a bit comfier as am too scared to move in case I disturb the boys!) and is in the sun having a nice zzzz. I must go and get him some potassium powder as apparently that may perk him up a bit, and I'm waiting a bit nervously really for the results. I'm also wondering if I can confine him in his old travel rabbit cage for inhalation purposes (bowls of steaming water either side) or if that would be too stressful. He went into the bathroom with the extractor off at shower time today but it doesn't work terribly well. He needs steam!!

Purrs, head butts, whiskery kisses to you all  :hug: and if anyone can make the sun last the weekend, that would be just  ;D
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 03, 2008, 11:42:41 AM
Can you put something in an oil burner?  Eucalyptus or something similar? He might get stressed if you confine him
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Post by: Mark on October 03, 2008, 12:16:36 PM
A lot of the "sunlight" type lamps I looked at seemed to be harsh tanning type ones where you have to wear googles. The bulbs or strips seemed like a good idea. I would assume if they are safe for birds and lizards, they must be fine for cats. Apparently, it penetrates fur  :)

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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 03, 2008, 12:41:43 PM
Don't be too disheartened by what the vet has said, from your 'diary' on here we can see what progress he has made  :hug:  We all get old sooner or later and that's an inevitable thing but that doesn't mean we have to give up fighting  :hug:
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Post by: bisley boys mum on October 03, 2008, 13:58:17 PM
you are doing a great job and sometimes vets say things without thinking first, and they arent always right as i found out to the detriment of our old boy TC.

it sounds like he is enjoying life, as long as he is eating, and if its only a little, it doesnt matter, he will eat when he is hungry and little bits are easier for his tummy to cope with. its so nice that you can spend all this time with him, i have no doubt he appreciates it. i know how difficult it is and how easy it is to stress over our furbabes but they do pick up on it too. sounds like he is enjoying life in his own way.

my cat is also nearly 17 and he has had a few health problems but since changing vets he is coming on in leaps and bounds and is reverting to being a kitten at the moment but i still take it one day at a time as he was poorly for months before and i kept wondering when i came in from work if he would be there to greet me - just remember they can beat the odds and prove everyone wrong. swampy sounds like a fighter and a big character, he knows he has a great meowmy  ;D
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 03, 2008, 20:43:58 PM
Hope Swampy and you all have a lovely peaceful night and lot of sunshine tomorrow  :hug:
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Post by: ChrisB on October 03, 2008, 21:24:05 PM
Hope you and Swampy have a good night's sleep - he has the best Meowmy so make sure you take care of yourself too.   Let's hope for some sunshine tomorrow.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 03, 2008, 23:03:35 PM
I agree with some below and think it may stress Swampy if you confine him. I use Euchy oill most of time and it works well if you put some frops on top of hot water in a small dish.

Cats arent supposed to like the ssmell of it but my cats dont seem bothered and in London Kocka seemed to smell of it as she spent so much time on my bed.

I wouldnt put it close to him , just in the room that he spends most time in.

Lots of restful vibes to Swampy and you  :hug:
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Post by: hannah (weeny) on October 04, 2008, 00:42:16 AM
am always thinking about you all - just never know what to say  :hug:

http://www.cybercheckout.co.uk/Items/Item.aspx?SKU=600154416

hope its useful  :)
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Post by: hannah (weeny) on October 04, 2008, 00:47:25 AM
oh and i think its uv b light you need to stimulate the production of the vitamin d in the body  :shy:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 04, 2008, 00:51:45 AM
Week-end healing vibes again for brave little Swampy- have a restful night and hope you have lots of sunshine at the week-end . :hug: :hug: :hug: to all of you.
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Post by: MrsR on October 04, 2008, 10:10:33 AM
Sending strong vibes to Swampy :Luv2:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 04, 2008, 11:00:49 AM
Hi, things have taken a turn for the worse since early this morning. Swampy's been very agitated although he did eat. He was confused and walking in circles all the time, some really small circles and always to the left,even getting stuck under one leg of the table. He then has wet the floor as I was out of the room for a minute and he obviously couldn't find the tray. He keeps walking left in circles which he's not done since he came home from hospital. I rang the vet who said his bloods were back and his kidneys are worse and that it's the neurological lesions from bleeding in his brain that are probably doing this. We will have to see if it lasts a day or if it is not something he can recover from, in which case we are very near the end for my little one.
Please send all your prayers and positive vibes for my Swamp today. He's now calmer as we turned on the heating and put him in a little bed he used to sleep in. He was doing well and this is unexpected, but the vet also said that with his higher kidney readings, that could be not helping. He can't find the water bowl either. I'm giving him some amino acid and potassium (caminax) drops 3x a day to try to help him, but right now things are difficult.  xx
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Post by: MrsR on October 04, 2008, 11:04:58 AM
Oh swampy :hug:
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Post by: tab on October 04, 2008, 11:16:54 AM
C'mon Swampy  :hug: :hug: :hug:
love
Tab
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 04, 2008, 11:19:21 AM
Fingers crossed for him.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 04, 2008, 11:30:53 AM
 :hug: he's finally gone to sleep. The carpet smells awful, we used a couple of different things but what should we use? He may get even more confused when he wakes up and thinks that is his tray as it smells of urine.
I'm sitting with him today and hope and pray he settles down and his brain calms later on. It's such a shock one month on.
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 04, 2008, 11:36:15 AM
Really don't know what to say but I do want you to know that I'm thinking of you both :grouphug:
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Post by: Mark on October 04, 2008, 11:58:31 AM
I don't know what to say either - other than you are trying your best for poor Swampy and giving him every possible chance  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 04, 2008, 12:15:24 PM
Poor Swampy.  Let me tell you though Kate that when my daughter had the viral encephalitis she had days when I despaired and days when she seemed perfectly normal.  This went on for three months so don't give up hope.  Now Swampy, you rest your little brain today and let mummy do the worrying for you.  Try to sleep little man and dream of sunshine.  I will check back later to see how he is and my fingers are all crossed for him. 
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 04, 2008, 12:26:04 PM
Oh Kate sorry to hear this. About the carpet, try using biological washing powder.

Come on Swampy...We all are sending you healing vibes...you got your birthday in a few days sweetheart...have a nice sleep today and hopefully you will feel better tomorrow xxxxxxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 04, 2008, 13:48:06 PM
the bio washing powder's helped the smell, many thanks. He's in his igloo bed and has just had a little food and the heating is on and he has a hottie. It's when he gets up we will see how he's feeling. The stuff he's been given may help and I so hope so. it's amino acids, iron and vit B i think. The weird thing is that his coat's so shiny, you wouldn;t think he was so ill.  It's neuro obviously. I won't and can't lose hope. This could just be a temporary thing and that's what I'm praying for. I"m going to give him water in an hour or so and guide him to the tray. Max is upset and has taken himself off, he did that when Swampy started his manic circling. I am sure they know.
thanks for holding my hand  :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on October 04, 2008, 14:14:05 PM
Thinking of you both.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 04, 2008, 14:24:30 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 04, 2008, 16:09:39 PM
I am so sorry to hear this and big good luck vibes to Swampy  :hug: :hug: :hug:

I think yiu are right Max knows  :hug:

you know all of us are with you and thinking of Swampy and you  :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 04, 2008, 16:46:25 PM
I'm so hoping this is just an 'off' day for Swampy and he'll be feeling better soon  :hug:
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Post by: ginge66 on October 04, 2008, 16:50:26 PM
Sorry Swampy isnt feeling so good today, sending lots of positive vibes and hope he feels better after his sleep x :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 04, 2008, 17:54:51 PM
I got him out of his igloo after a long sleep and his medicine and food (he's eaten not far off a can today) and gently guided him to his tray, as he wasn't showing any inclination to move at all and I thought he must need to pee.
He did use the tray but then just kept walking in that area in left hand circles, really small ones. I really had to use both hands to stop him moving in left circles on the way back too. I put him back in the igloo now although Max has got in as well so it's a tight squeeze, but I'm not moving Max out as think he can be of comfort. No purrs. He didn't cry but his confusion is distressing him (not just me). I think as he doesn't know where he is anyhow that I will move the igloo near the futon tonight and see if he will spend the night in it if I put a hottie in.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 04, 2008, 18:01:01 PM
kocka used to walk in circles after we moved here and she had detached retinas so kept going blind and also suspect it was dementia related, possibly neuro.

thinking of you and swampy tonight  :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on October 04, 2008, 18:12:38 PM
Sending loads of get well and eat well vibes for Swampy  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: and loads of stress busting vibes for Swampy's meowmy  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

If there is still some smell on the carpet a spritz of surgical spirit should help.
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Post by: clarenmax on October 04, 2008, 18:48:54 PM
Topping up with loads of vibes and  :hug: today for both of you, hope Swampy is just having an off-day, and that he's feeling much more settled tomorrow  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 04, 2008, 19:00:44 PM
Hope our little star has a lovely night and is much better tomorrow.  well done to Max for snuggling with him.  You try to rest too Kate  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on October 04, 2008, 19:11:18 PM
Please give brave little Swampy a hug from me.
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Post by: Stuart on October 04, 2008, 21:17:24 PM
oh I'm so sorry to hear this  :(
Misty and I Sending ton's of positive Vibes You and Swampy's way
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:



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Post by: bunglycat on October 04, 2008, 21:49:58 PM
Sending millions of healing vibes your way for Swampy - hoping this is just a bad day and tomoorow will be better .
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all and also stress relieving vibes too .
Take care .
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 04, 2008, 23:23:22 PM
thanks a million for all the wonderful support messages, that means such a lot. The tonic he's on has improved his appetite today and he ate well, all in his igloo bed. He doesn't want to move from that so I'm trying to work out how much water to try to syringe down him. (not easy as he hates it but he's not drinking, I'm adding a teaspoon water to his food too). Must still take him out to see if he wants to pee but have put a puppy pad under his vetbed in the igloo. He can walk, just doesn't want to and I don't think he could find his tray or water bowl anyhow. It is so weird as he has purred a bit, licked Max and eaten and his coat is good but he's so weak and circling when he tries to walk.
Don't know how much sleep I'll get but I'm praying and hoping so hard that he pulls through and is better soon, or at least goes back to how he was yesterday.
 :hug:  :hug:

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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on October 04, 2008, 23:43:31 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on October 05, 2008, 07:00:04 AM
Hope Swampy and you had a good night and there is improvement today  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Lesley Frankie on October 05, 2008, 08:03:01 AM
I am very sorry to see that Swampy is not doing so well and I hope he is feeling better today.  You are doing such a terrific job of caring for him and you even found time to answer some of my questions re. French vets. You must be exhausted. My thoughts are with you both :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 05, 2008, 09:16:25 AM
no change I'm afraid. He is now constipated and I'm nervous to give him lactulose as he can't find the tray on his own. He got up quite a few times in the night and had to be rescued as he starts out with a bigger circle then soon gets stressed and starts the small circles as he has forgotten all that he learned over the last month and has lost his bearings. But he did get a bit of rest. I'm keeping him in the igloo. I must work out how much water to give as brought the water bowl to him in the night and he had quite a drink. We have the heating on now and I suppose the dry air means he may need a bit more water. See how it goes, just trying to get some rest and keep him comfy today.  :hug: to everyone. Oops he's got up again so must go and see to him  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 05, 2008, 10:18:55 AM
Oh Kate, Sorry theres no improvement.
I think you will have to give him some lactulose as he will be very uncomfortable if he is bunged up and that could effect his eating.

You are doing a wonderful job, if he could get better on love alone he would be fighting fit

Sending Swampy a huge kiss ......
 :hug: for You Kate xx
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 05, 2008, 11:32:10 AM
Sorry to hear there is no improvement, but I agree with michelle, you will have to give him something for the constipation, as it will make him feel very uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on October 05, 2008, 11:53:35 AM
Poor Swampy  :hug:  The little lad is certainly being very well looked after.  Fingers crossed there is some improvement today  :hug:
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Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on October 05, 2008, 14:46:19 PM
Sending constant vibes over your way, Kate. Give the little man a :cuddle: from me and Lexy xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 05, 2008, 15:10:49 PM
Does the lactulose usually give him the runs?  If not I would give it to him as he will be uncomfortable and a solid poo is easy enough to clear up if he doesn't find the tray.

I do hope the circling stops as it is distressing for him and you.   

God bless you Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on October 05, 2008, 15:20:28 PM
So sorry to hear Swampy has taken a turn for the worse - sending lots of prayers and positive vibes your way., :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on October 05, 2008, 16:45:00 PM
Love, huggles and healing vibes for Swampy - I hope he has improved today xxx
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Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on October 05, 2008, 17:39:59 PM
Somehow missed this thread until now. I am so sorry for Swampy and you, this must be incredibly hard to deal with but at least he is being well looked after and lots of love from a wonderful mummy xx :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 05, 2008, 18:41:33 PM
I gave him some lactulose as he's clearly uncomfortable in his tum. Must the the iron in the Kaminox. The last time he was put on iron medicine when he was borderline anaemic (probably still is) he also got a hard sore tum and we had to stop the medicine. I gave him 1.5mls but he spat some. I will repeat tonight if nothing happens as he's eaten a lot less and has no enthusiasm for food. Obviously we need to know if that's just from a slightly blocked tum (he went this morning, but only a little bit, given what he ate yesterday ie a lot) or if it's from his brain.
He did get on to the futon earlier and had a purr, which was lovely. So many thanks for all the prayers and positive vibes and please keep them coming for Swamp  :hug:

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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 05, 2008, 19:23:56 PM
Just topping up the healing vibes for Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on October 05, 2008, 19:29:06 PM
Extra get well soon hugs for Swampy.  :Luv:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 05, 2008, 20:10:29 PM
lots of love to swampy toght  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: ChrisB on October 05, 2008, 21:03:56 PM
Lots of good wishes to you and Swampy tonight.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on October 05, 2008, 22:18:39 PM
Good and restful night wishes for you and Swampy :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on October 05, 2008, 22:23:57 PM
Lots of healing vibes and restful purrs to Swampy for tonight and a day of haling and sunshine tomorrow -hope he goes to the loo and feels better .
 :hug: :hug: :hug: from the fan club in Lincoln
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Post by: tab on October 06, 2008, 09:41:59 AM
More Vibes and hugs for Swampy. I hope hes feeling a bit brighter today.
Sending our lovely sunshire to you
love
Tab
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 06, 2008, 09:46:45 AM
Hope you all had a good night's rest and that Swampy is much improved this morning  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 06, 2008, 09:47:18 AM
I've left a message with the nurse again. Although he slept until 5, Swampy's not good this morning. I have to know if there's anything they can do or if there is no hope. Swamps has eaten a little and is now finally asleep, but was very agitated and had to be helped to his tray and water bowl and sometimes ignored them, sometimes not. I am sure that he had some sudden, further brain episode on saturday morning (as as you all know he was making good progress for a whole month) but the vet didn't treat it so now it's preying on my mind that it could be too late. Anyhow the nurse mentioned what someone on a 'seizures group' on yahoo mentioned that maybe he needs another anti inflammatory. When Swampy's calm and lying down you'd think he was fine. Just when he gets up he just keeps the little circles and distress, fast leading to exhaustion and stumbling from dizziness (all the turning in circles: he walks straight to start with).  If there's something we can do we must do it. I think he should have been seen on saturday but anyhow. If there's nothing, we must try to take a calm decision as currently this is no quality of life for Swampy.
I'm going to rest now and will post again later.  :hug:  :hug:

Vet wanted to see him so I've insisted on a home visit. It's better anyhow (never mind the travel) that he sees him at home and how he walks. He may give him steroids and an antibiotic to see if it helps. Please send prayers and vibes that it does. I think the visit will be late morning or early afternoon.
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Post by: clarenmax on October 06, 2008, 09:54:02 AM
Sending you loads of  :hug: :hug: :hug: again this morning, and I hope Swampy has a better day today xxxx
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Post by: Dawn F on October 06, 2008, 10:06:12 AM
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Post by: JackSpratt on October 06, 2008, 10:29:12 AM
I've not posted much on here, but have been reading and hoping Swampy makes it through this. Whatever the diagnosis is by the vet today, you've done all you can and Swampy is loved so much. :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 06, 2008, 11:14:45 AM
Morning Kate and Swampy....and not forgetting Max

Hope the vet visit goes well....I am out for the day but will be checking this thread as soon as i get back!

Give both boys a kiss from me xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 06, 2008, 14:29:01 PM
Come on Swampy we are all behind you.  Hope the vet's visit is successful and has a positive outcome.  You are in my thoughts x :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 06, 2008, 14:37:10 PM
Hope theres something the vet can do for him  :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on October 06, 2008, 14:53:27 PM
Thinking of you  :hug:

More huggles, love and positive vibes for Swampy xxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 06, 2008, 15:22:06 PM
He's had a steroid and antibiotic injection, the steroid is a 3 day one. Now we just wait to see if there's any improvement. The vet was very nice and explained to me that Swampy has some rapid side to side eye movement which, with his circling, means either a tumour, brain injury or middle ear infection and without an MRI we have no real idea, but most likely some afters from the brain injury a month ago obviously. In 3 - 7 days we should see an improvement if there's going to be one. He told me Swampy's not in pain and his circling is to stabilise himself so don't stop him unless he's becoming distressed. I watched him circle with the vet and eventually Swampy sat down. The vet says it will be tough for me as it's 24/7 nursing and he will need to drink and pee more with the steroids and can't reach his bowl or tray.
He said though that some people let their cats or dogs go on like this for ages and that's their decision but he thinks we must now seriously consider pts (as if we hadn't, all weekend) if this week shows no improvement and we talked that through, which helped me to understand how he does it. He told me he uses a firm in Cambridge for cremations, KT or something like that. I could see that he thinks it won't be long now as he spoke gently to me about what a lovely life Swampy has had with us.
But the steroid may mask and help him over the next few days and I hope so. When the vet left, Swampy managed to get on to the futon (he's not been doing that today) and had a tummy rub and purr. The vet agreed that with Swampy's neuro problems it's a terrible decision as physically he's still a strong little man.
I suppose it's normal, but I sort of alternate between hope and tears. Swampy is now in the igloo on a hottie and has had a mouthful of food. We all send everyone a huge  :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on October 06, 2008, 15:28:54 PM
Thinking of you both  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 06, 2008, 16:05:52 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Hoping that the injections all start to work for him in the next 24 hours .
Will continue to send healing vibes for him - take care, you are doing a fantastic job of caring for him - no-one could look after him better. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 06, 2008, 16:53:26 PM
Oh Kate  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Can't say much more as I just don't know what to say
xxxxx
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Post by: Lesley Frankie on October 06, 2008, 17:01:31 PM
Kate, I wish that there was something that I could say or do to make this better for you and dear little Swampy. Let's hope that the steriods give him some relief. Whatever happens you have done everything you possibly could for the little guy, no-one could have done more. I know that you will always do what is best for Swampy. Much love. :hug:
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Post by: Mark on October 06, 2008, 17:14:24 PM
Thinking of you Kate & Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 06, 2008, 17:21:01 PM
:grouphug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 06, 2008, 17:23:06 PM
Oh I am so sorry Kate.  Let's hope the medications kick in and help our Swampy.  It is a difficult time and will be a very difficult decision if it comes to that and I sincerely hope it doesn't.  you and Swampy have fought so hard and he has done so well in many ways.  As I have said before it is a testament to the loving care you have given him.  My thoughts and prayers are with you all and let's hope our Swampy boy responds.  xxx
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on October 06, 2008, 19:21:40 PM
I so hope that the medication the vet has given him will help.  He was doing so well and you are doing great with him.  It must be so hard for you seeing your little man like this and praying he will improve all the while knowing that you can't let him go on like this indefinitely.  This is the really  :censored: side of pet ownership.  Sending loads of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to you both.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 06, 2008, 19:53:35 PM
Swampy just got up and I guided him to the tray. His circles were bad. However I couldn't get him to drink. Where can I get a decent dropper (chemist here doesn't have them, nor does vet) and/or the type of syringe that has a sort of long nozzle to put into the side of his mouth? The 1ml or 2.5ml syringes I use are hopeless. He just spits out the water I give him. I need to get 2 or 3 syringes into him at a time at least. He gets very stressed when I hold his head and try to do that. I also have to do his vitamins with that dropper and lactulose, so he's got very used to it and hates it. The larger syringes have a small, snub nozzle which is even worse. I'm also worried that I will shoot water down (as he jerks his head) into his lungs. Should I aim for the cheek and how do I stop him spitting it out? He's got very canny at doing just that. If it's a dropper, do I aim for the back of his mouth or the side/cheek (assuming I can aim with him wriggling). thanks  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 06, 2008, 20:09:01 PM
I am so sorry to read all this and Swampy is such a brave boy and you are taking great care of him.  All I can do is send lots more good vibes for Swampy  :hug: :hug:

Reference the water and stuff I would aim for the cheek cos I would be so scared that it would go into his lungs by accident.

I just hate to say this but now he is blind as well as deaf and he is virtually having to be forced drinking which he hates....................................................... :(
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Post by: Baggy on October 06, 2008, 21:06:48 PM
Just catching up with this thread. Wish there was some help or advice I could give but all I can do is offer more crossed fingers :grouphug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 06, 2008, 21:09:13 PM
He said though that some people let their cats or dogs go on like this for ages and that's their decision but he thinks we must now seriously consider pts (as if we hadn't, all weekend) if this week shows no improvement and we talked that through, which helped me to understand how he does it. He told me he uses a firm in Cambridge for cremations, KT or something like that. I could see that he thinks it won't be long now as he spoke gently to me about what a lovely life Swampy has had with us.

I know this fear is now more real than it has been before Kate  :hug:
But I know You will have Swampys quality of life in the forefront of your mind xxx
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Post by: Kirst on October 06, 2008, 21:09:40 PM
Poor  , poor you and poor old Swampy. No matter what hapopens he has had a fantastic life with you and you will know when the time is right to show him that very last kindness and let him go peacefully. :'( :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 06, 2008, 21:11:54 PM
Just popped on to wish you all a peaceful and restful night with improvement in the morning.  Come on Swamps, don't give in now.  :hug: :hug: :hug:.  Don't give up hope Kate until there is none.
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Post by: ChrisB on October 06, 2008, 21:30:42 PM
Kate, thinking of you and Swampy, XX
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Post by: Liz on October 06, 2008, 22:06:06 PM
I would recommend a weaning bottle it has a long nozzle and worked fine on Gem

Hope you are coping :hug:
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Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on October 06, 2008, 22:45:58 PM
Just catching up with this thread and am so sorry to hear Swampy isn't so good. I can only echo what everyone has said and hope the injections do the trick. He is very lucky to have a mum like you who cares for him so much.

Sending lots of  :hug: for you all, come on Swampy we're all praying for you.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 06, 2008, 23:12:50 PM
I don't know if it's positive - it could just be a one-off - but you know when it's like this, you take what you can - tonight he made a metre's progress by walking in circles towards the futon. I only had to rescue him when he got very agitated; he was near it but didn't know, so the circles got more manic. Plus before that I'd put some water in his food and it clearly made him want to drink (with the cortisone) so he headed off, he walked with his head right down, used the Bastis tent as a marker and somehow he found his water bowl. He drank a bit, having missed it a couple of times, then walked in circles around and came back and drank some more. So I don't have to try to get water in him tonight at least. His potassium meds Kaminox comes in a bottle with a really good 2ml dropper. The one OH bought at Boots is 0.5mls, not so good. As Swampy's the nearest to a baby I've ever had, can you please tell me what a weaning bottle looks like (sorry!).

many thanks from all of us for all the help, with comfort and prayers and wishes. We all hope you all have a good night. xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 06, 2008, 23:36:13 PM
Have a good rest Swampy and you, hope he is feeling a bit brighter in the morning  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 06, 2008, 23:54:24 PM
Popping in to give Swampy his good night kiss X
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 07, 2008, 00:09:32 AM
Keep strong Kate and Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 07, 2008, 00:17:10 AM
Good night kisses and healing  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for Swampy and stress free  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you for doing such a great job.
Everything crossed here ( including 5 sets of paws) for a better day tomorrow with improvement.
Take care.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 07, 2008, 06:17:55 AM
Good morning hugs for you all.  Hope Swampy has a good day.  :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on October 07, 2008, 07:36:34 AM
I hope Swampy had a good night and that he continues to do good today  :hug:
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 07, 2008, 07:57:42 AM
I hope the meds do buy him some time and that it is as simple as an ear infection rather than the other things the vet thought. Do you have a shop called The Range near you? I got some kitten milk from there, and they did seem to have a range of feeding things, sure one did look quite long.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 07, 2008, 09:08:06 AM
He woke me at 3 and was manic until about 7. A little calmer now but the steroids have made him a bit more agitated. No sign of any improvement otherwise. His mum's knackered so I must rest and hope for the best this morning. Lots of love and  :hug: to everyone xx
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Post by: clarenmax on October 07, 2008, 09:12:06 AM
topping up with loads more healing vibes this morning, sounds like you could both do with some rest this morning, so hope you manage a purry cuddle and some sleep  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: ginge66 on October 07, 2008, 09:46:20 AM
Topping up the healing vibes thinking of you all  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on October 07, 2008, 14:12:37 PM
Sending some more healing vibes for Swampy and his family today. :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 07, 2008, 14:35:56 PM
I know how many of you have had these kind of decisions to take, and me too with little ones before. But in the past, the decision has been in one way easy, in that the suffering was no longer bearable or necessary and it was just the hardest but only thing to do. But how do you deal with this - Swampy was asleep all morning, then got up and wandered around in circles....then he found the staircase (there are 15 stairs up to the mezzanine in the lounge) and up he went. Once up there, Max bounded up and he circled round and round, sniffing happily for the most part. I could see how tired he was getting so guided him to the staircase and he sort of plopped down all of them on his own. Then of course I had to guide him to the tray again. He still won't drink either on visiting the bowl or having it offered to him and knocked the Kaminox dropper out of my hand with a paw as he was so pissed off with being given medicine. He's really robust and strong for his age. However the brain's still bad as when he sits he moves his head and eyes side to side, which isn't a good sign at all and is why he is disoriented and circling.
For his slight dehydration, all I can do is add water to his food and hope he drinks later. If I put it in his mouth with a syringe, he just spits it out. I love my bravest little burmese so much. 
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Post by: Dawn F on October 07, 2008, 14:39:40 PM
this is so hard for you, you will know when you think the bad is outweighing the good but at the moment it seems to change from minute to minute  :hug:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 07, 2008, 15:21:03 PM
Nothing useful to say except I'm thinking of you both  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 07, 2008, 16:19:13 PM
I took a little video and photos of Swampy earlier this afternoon. Will try to post them and hope it works.

(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/IMG_3837.jpg)

The video clip when posted takes you to access my whole album - nothing private in there (cats!) but how do you keep it just the one video, or upload it simply from iPhoto please? It's one of the boys cleaning each other.
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Post by: Mark on October 07, 2008, 16:22:18 PM
That is lovely  :)

Great that he is getting some tlc from Max as well  :Luv2:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 07, 2008, 16:23:59 PM
you're probably just the person to ask Mark as you are a mac man?? You saw it before I edited it - yes Max does a lot of cleaning him but Swamp spends ages cleaning da Max's ears x
had to use flash for the photo to get a shutter speed fast enough but almost all the others are blurry as Swampy moves his head and eyes left to right all the time.
another one of them zzzzing in the igloo

(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/IMG_3826.jpg)
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 07, 2008, 16:30:05 PM
What a lovely photo of a lovely boy, from how you've been describing the last few weeks I was expecting him to look frail and weak but he looks so strong  :hug:

To make photobucket show just the one vid that you post rather than your whole album - log into your photobucket account, choose 'account options' (top right) scroll down to 'album settings' and change it to 'private' rather than 'public'.
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Post by: sheryl on October 07, 2008, 16:36:50 PM
I dont know what to say Hun, when the time has come to say goodbye to my furbabies in the past they have always told me in their own way and basically given up in one way or another.  I have always said that whilst they still fight to live I will always fight for them.

Thinking of you and still sending healing vibes for Swampy xxx  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:  He is such a handsome boy x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 07, 2008, 16:38:28 PM
Many thanks Helen! OK so here's the video clip then of the cleaning session (I must get him to drink as this and ear cleaning went on for a full 25 mins in the igloo before zzzzing). Yes he looks robust for his age, that's why having a neuro illness is just so terribly tragic.  Vet said if his brain was ok, he could live another year quite possibly. I think it would be easier as I say if he was terribly frail.
Anyhow I enjoyed taking this and watching them:

(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/th_MVI_3841.jpg) (http://s330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/?action=view&current=MVI_3841.flv)

(let me know if it's still on public, I did switch it to private but with me and my head the way it feels, can never be sure).   :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 07, 2008, 16:40:26 PM
Awwww bless them, lovely video  :Luv:

And a lovely photo too, he's such a handsome boy  :Luv:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 07, 2008, 16:43:41 PM
Yep, it's definitely private now ie just that video shows.  They look like they're snogging in the first bit  :-[
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 07, 2008, 17:05:38 PM
They do look like they are snogging. It is incredibly lovely to watch.  Swampy does look so well and healthy too.  Bless that little cat he has such inner strength.
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 07, 2008, 17:11:37 PM
Just adding to the healing vibes.  :hug: Take care of yourself too  :hug:

Beautiful pic.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 07, 2008, 17:17:30 PM
there's something wrong with my iPhoto, it's greyed out certain images and Apple aren't sure why. Anyhow among them are the semi-pro ones taken in 2007 (I have CDs luckily) where he looked really well. But after posting I went back and looked at the sept/oct 2006 ones during the liver disease and he looked so frail. We thought we'd lose him back then and he'd not make his 15th birthday on the 16 October. I remember he'd have 10 tiny meals of that l/d muck a day for nearly a year.  Yes, he has such character and strength which is why we want to give him every chance to fight.

But although the pics make me happy, I'm acutely aware that he's deaf, blind, has CRF, herpes, a dodgy liver, a heart murmur, arthritic legs and now worst of all, brain injury or tumour which means he can't do anything for himself. So if there is nothing but illness and being taken to the loo and water bowl to look forward to, I'll have my wonderful memories. I just wish I could show you one of him as a youngster but none of those are digital and all of them are in storage too.
going to log out now and see if I can get him to drink as his skin folds aren't going back too well. xx he sent a purr then xx
I'll ask about the snogging!
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 07, 2008, 20:41:12 PM
I just love that video and the pics, Swampy and Max are such a gorgeous pair and he doesnt look ill at all in the video  ;D

Times like these are so very very hard and Kocka probably went down hill too far and then had fluid on her lungs along with all her other problems and I still remember her at the vets on the last morning and felt so bad cos I couldnt get to see her for 24 hrs and I knew how she hated vets. By then she was on a drip and just lying there and it broke my heart. She was always such a fighter and I felt that while she was fighting I had no right to send her to the Bridge.........too late maybe but I will never know   :'(

I think the decision with Swampy is much harder cos neuro and ears are a real problem,,,,,,,,,,,,I know this cos I have an ear problem and and they thought it was neuro........in a way it is because my brain cant balance me properly. The rapid eye motion and Swampys circling indicate this type of problem. Swampy looks so good and I can feel your pain and understand so much what you are going through.

You are doing a great job with Swampy and one of the senses he still has is touch and he must get so much pleasure from his interaction with Max and yourself and he is thinking clearly if he can bat things out of your hand and spit stuff out and is telling you, heyyyyyyyy I dont like that  ;D

I am sending lots of healing vibes for Swampy and hope that you both have a good rest tonight  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 07, 2008, 20:52:57 PM
I think you are doing everything right Kate.  Swampy still wants to eat, still purrs and enjoys his cuddles with Max.  His prognosis is not good and his world will be smaller but if he can learn to do things for himself and the circling is under control with the meds then fair enough.  If not then I understand what you are saying.  However, I still say don't give up hope whilst there is some.

Hope you all have a good night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 07, 2008, 22:22:26 PM
Yes I think the key is if he can learn to do things for himself and isn't constantly circling distressed & having to be led to the tray or water bowl. If I'd posted a video of the walking or circling you'd see what I mean. It's unbearable to watch. He starts out ok and then becomes more and more unstable as he turns faster, in little circles. Yes, it's vestibular, like with ears but isn't ears - it could be lesions (most likely) from when the swelling has gone down, in key areas of his brain. Or it could be that he has a tumour. The cortisone has helped a little, with appetite certainly and he is not unhappy as you say when he is sitting or lying down, especially with me or Max. He has moments when I have hope. Tonight he found the litter tray and walked 2ms in a reasonably straight line. But then he left the tray and had no idea how to get back to the bed and circled frantically and cried. The trouble with not having an MRI is that the vet and I don't know what we are dealing with. An MRI would let us know if there's any hope - but he can't have an MRI.

I hope he has a restful night as I'm not very well and could use a few hours' kip tonight!  :hug: to everyone xx I will pass on all your messages too.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 07, 2008, 23:15:27 PM
Hope you feel a bit better if you can get some sleep  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 07, 2008, 23:39:12 PM
Take care of yourself too, Swampy needs you  and you are doing such a great job with him, i can only imagine how upsetting this is for you - but whilst there is hope !
Healing vibes to all of you and lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for a resful night.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 08, 2008, 06:59:41 AM
Hope you all had some sleep and that you are feeling better this morning Kate.  Hope too that the meds help with Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 08, 2008, 08:09:13 AM
I hope he is better, and at least you can be practical about what quality of life he does have. I think maybe some kind of diary so you can work out how many good/bad times in a 24 hour period might help.
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Post by: clarenmax on October 08, 2008, 09:16:37 AM
Mornin  :hug:  Hope you all had a good night, and that you're feeling a bit better yourself after hopefully a better night' sleep  :hug:

I think the suggestion of a diary is a good one, to keep a record of when he has his good times and not so good times, so that way you can see when one starts to outweigh the other.

Topping up with oodles of healing vibes, and hope you've got some sunshine today, if not I'll wing some of ours over at about 11 ish  :)

Sending lots more  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: too xxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 08, 2008, 09:33:12 AM
I, too, think the diary is a good idea that way you can see if there is any pattern to his behaviour.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 08, 2008, 09:47:58 AM
Hi, I'm keeping a sort of diary but formalising it is a good idea especially as I am so tired. Swampy decided that 1.45am was wake up time and got up every hour on the hour last night for either food or a wee, so no sleep for me.  We are going to have to sort out some way that he can get to a nearby tray at night so that I can possibly move for a few hours a night to the bedroom or at least get some sleep as a month with no real sleep makes life and decisions and everything so hard. The sun has arrived so hopefully some of the morning we can lie on the bed - he'll sleep, I'm too wound up to sleep during the day so rest is NB I suppose.
He got half way up the stairs again this morning and found the water bowl (once) by himself, but then again he needed a lot of leading at other times. I think the cortisone's helped. Anyhow barring any dramas today he will most likely be having a top up dose of it tomorrow or Friday as he is still not at that point where we are sure that there's no quality of life. We know there's not long, it's more a question of how long, as there is no way I am putting him through any invasive kidney support stuff like sub Qs when he has such a lot on his plate already. The vet said there would be more clarity in 2 weeks and then it's deciding what he can cope with. He is such a brave little cat and such a fighter and while he's still clearly having some enjoyment, so be it.
 :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on October 08, 2008, 11:21:28 AM
I'm just catching up as I've been away for a few days.

More vibes from us  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on October 08, 2008, 14:55:35 PM
Hugs for Swampy!
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Post by: sheryl on October 08, 2008, 16:26:26 PM
Topping up the love, huggles and positive vibes for Swampy xxx Thinking of you Brave boy xxx

 :hug: for you Hun - try and take care of yourself and get some rest xxx
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on October 08, 2008, 16:39:18 PM
Swampy is brave indeed.  Just to say that I'm thinking of him and of you.

 :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 08, 2008, 18:32:50 PM
I do hope Swampy found the sunny bit and had a good snooze and you too  :hug: :hug:

Lots of good thoughts for Swampy tonight  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 08, 2008, 19:32:17 PM
Bless him he tries so hard.  Hope he had plenty of sunshine to enjoy today and hope you all have a quiet night with lots of sleep  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on October 08, 2008, 19:38:25 PM
Heres hoping both Swampy and his meowmy get a restful night.xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 08, 2008, 23:09:28 PM
thanks again so much  :hug:  I hope Swampy will sleep a bit better tonight, but he's done quite a bit of zzzzing this afternoon so.....OH says I must wake him up at 5am so he can do a 1 1/2 hr shift while I rest (lol). I'm trying not to land on the futon until about midnight by which time I hope Swampy's had a tray visit, but he does like a wander and a miaow in the night. I've put a spare tray where he normally goes, but he'll probably head off in the other direction as a result! And I've got my earplugs as my downstairs neighbour's snoring is unbelievable - earthquake (and he gets 10 hours a night).  I'm trying to keep cheerful, but I have to ring the vet tomorrow to tell him if another cortisone jab is required. If all is as it is now, I am sure that we will give him another one maybe on Friday to see if he can improve at all or if not.  good night to everyone and big purrs and  :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on October 08, 2008, 23:49:23 PM
Topping up the vibes for you both.  I hope Swampy has a good night tonight and that you manage to get some sleep too  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 09, 2008, 01:31:52 AM
Hoping for a restful night for all of you - big :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: and healing vibes for Swampy+ kisses from the Lincoln persian gang :Luv2:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 09, 2008, 07:38:25 AM
Hoping you all managed a restful night and have a lovely sunny day  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 09, 2008, 08:05:45 AM
Just been catching up with Swampy's progress, and sending more healing top ups for him this morning.  Kate, am also sending big higs to you too, because I feel for your sleepless nights (and your neighbour's snoring sounds horrendous!  :evillaugh:)   :hug: :hug: :hug:  And a big whiskery PPPprrrffpppppt from Paddy.  ;) ;D
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 09, 2008, 09:00:08 AM
Just topping up the healing vibes for Swampy and praying the sunshine comes your way  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 09, 2008, 09:13:56 AM
More topping up vibes on their way, and more of these too :hug: :hug: :hug:

Hope you all have a good day today xxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 09, 2008, 09:19:36 AM
sun is out  ;D but Swampy's just fallen asleep now. He's been very awake since midnight last night; done a lot of pacing and a bit of miaowing and getting marooned on the stairs (rescue me time); missed the new litter tray but at least found it - and walking a little straighter today and eating a lot. I assume that's the cortisone (?) which was only meant to last 3 days but kicked in yesterday (jab given mon afternoon at 2 ish).
I will call the vet to ask when it should be repeated, maybe not today.
I don't know how or if we can calm him a bit at night as I threw in the towel (spat the dummy) at 4am leaving a tired OH to take over until 7. I have to go out this morning for an hour so I hope the little one will zzzz and not get stuck anywhere or wet the carpet (thanks for the bio washing powder tip). I don't like seeing him so agitated, but hope that it's not a bad sign. So hard to know.
lots of sunny purrs to everyone this morning and am hoping for the best  :hug:

Got a tricky conversation to have with a friend who wants to come to London later this month - I just can't do the Show London buzz thing right now, whether or not Swampy is still with us or not. She's french and lovely but not someone who understands quite why all this 'fuss' about animals; would get mighty offended if I said I wouldn't arrive if your son or daughter was so very ill. It's so hard to know what to say (in another language) as she's a really great friend and I don't want to hurt her feelings; she's disabled, not well off at all and has been looking forward to the trip and planning it for ages. All a lot easier in English!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 09, 2008, 09:34:48 AM
I am sorry he has been pacing all night, will probably sleep all day now.  Glad that things have improved a little though.  I would just ask  your French friend to postpone the visit due to personal circumstances and not go into any long explanation.

Best of luck and sunny day hugs
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 09, 2008, 10:02:00 AM
I just spoke to the vet. He doesn't want to top up the cortisone as thinks it has worked but wants to see how Swampy goes over the next few days (weekend coming, always makes me so nervous). Also says I must give Swampy a half dose of fortekor which may help his bp a little bit as well as his kidneys. If he becomes depressed on that, we must try Istin. Swampy did so badly on fortekor before (at full dose) that I took him off it. I'm the one motivating my concern that the pacing and agitation could be leading up to another brain episode but anyhow he said he can come and visit him in the next couple of days if needs be.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 09, 2008, 11:40:09 AM
Kate try not to worry too much about what might be and concentrate on the what is.  He hasn't had anymore seizures since the accident has he so there is no reason why he should have one now.  See how he goes (I can understand your nervousness re weekends) and let's hope he improves gradually each day.  All things considered he has done so well so far and let's hope this circling is just a blip and can be controlled.  I don't like Fortekor too much either, I lost my Dragan due to that but it was a very rare side effect and hopefully half the dose will help Swampy.

Thinking of you and hoping you get some rest and relaxation today and that Swampy boy has lots of sunshine and as good a day as he possibly can  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 09, 2008, 13:04:02 PM
My littly managed to get off the bed by himself, then walked down the passage by himself in a straight line. I took him to the tray (needs more water - teeny puddle) and he left the kitchen easily (first time since saturday) and has gone to lie on the futon in the sun.  I'm trying not to get too excited but cortisone - thank you. Spoke to the vet again who wants to hold back on too much cortisone unless he deteriorates as it may kick in his herpes. He doesn't know if the agitation (he's only NOW got to sleep since midnight) may be good or bad, not sure. Swampa (Swamp-purr) is fighting, bless him.  :hug:  :hug: Day to day or hour to hour as you say! xx

going to use those urine collection pipettes to get water into him,unless anyone has a better idea? My friend is a cook and she said try pipettes rather than syringes. Or I could use the potassium med dropper (2mls) but all his water would taste yuk.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 09, 2008, 13:45:18 PM
:cheer: :yayyy: :care: :Applause: :blow kiss: :yesss:


WTG swampy soldier.
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Post by: Leanne on October 09, 2008, 14:35:48 PM
Go swampy, keep it up little man  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 09, 2008, 15:20:03 PM
Bless him , he is such a brave boy and a real fighter :Luv2: :Luv2:
Hope things continue to improve and the nights get more restful.
I have Smartie on Fortekor  for his heart condition and he is doing ok and been on it since Feb this year.

 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 09, 2008, 15:45:00 PM
Come on, Swampy young man.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Liz on October 09, 2008, 16:03:27 PM
A weaning bottle is what you want it has a nice long sopout for a better word and it was a godsend with gem in her last couple of days

Ours is a clear plastic bottle with a green top sort of long nozzle - I got mine from vet UK I think and it was cheap to

Hope the boy continues to have better times :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on October 09, 2008, 16:07:03 PM
Must have something in my eyes - they have gone all watery reading your last post about the brave Swampy - WTG Swampy - keep it up sweetie xxx  Still sending love, huggles and positive vibes xxx

I hope you all get some sleep tonight xxx :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 09, 2008, 16:12:08 PM
found the bedroom again on his own and the bathroom tray (not the one he's got to use overnight) on his own and is giving himself a bath. I hope it's not just a good day (please!!!!) but the only thing is he can't relax and sleep. He's quite miaowy and restless. I'm wondering if (given the wonders of bio washing powder) I should abandon the futon for 3 -4 hours tonight to get some sleep - tough call. Both he and Max will probably sing loudly if I do too. But just 2 hours last night has made today easier for me. I'd not forgive myself if he needed me though. Maybe we'll repeat last night's shifts!
I asked the chemist for a weaning bottle and she said the ones they keep have the full size teat - was your's a lot thinner like a syringe then? thanks.
big hugs  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 09, 2008, 16:38:14 PM
I hope his progress today is ongoing, and not just one good day, take things one day at a time hunnie, thats all you can do  :hug:

Hope you manage to get some more sleep tonight as well xxxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 09, 2008, 18:14:07 PM
Kate would it be safe to have Swampy in the bedroom with you with the door closed?  Perhaps if you got him used to it in the daytime?
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 09, 2008, 18:34:16 PM
swampy is doing so well, hope it continues for ages  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 09, 2008, 19:00:54 PM
Kate would it be safe to have Swampy in the bedroom with you with the door closed?  Perhaps if you got him used to it in the daytime?

I don't think so as don't think he'd stay on the bed and would sort of plummet down and not get up again. Plus he'd have to learn a new tray and room. Nice thought though! He's fast asleep now so is planning a wakey wakey around midnight until morning I'd say. I think it's either futon shifts or leaving him alone; Max doesn't cry when Swampy is in trouble. The other way around, yup. Swampy's called me twice when Max got locked in a room.
I so hope and pray that his better days continue too as you can imagine. lots of love and burmese purrs and chin nibbles xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 10, 2008, 06:43:42 AM
Good morning, hope you all had a restful night and have a lovely day  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 10, 2008, 07:42:00 AM
Kate, hope you all had a peaceful night.  Topping up the healing vibes and the cuddles for Swampy.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on October 10, 2008, 08:58:32 AM
A very good morning to Swampy and his family. I hope you all had a good nights rest and have a happy day today x :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 10, 2008, 09:00:34 AM
Good morning from sunny Surrey too, hope you have a good day, and that you guys managed to get some rest last night  :hug: :hug: xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 10, 2008, 09:33:28 AM
Hi, yes the sun's almost out here and should await felines at 11! Swampy slept better last night. Possibly the Fortekor 1/4 I don't know. This morning his cold's a bit up but he seems ok. Just had one slightly funny moment when his tail just got fuzzy and his mum got nervous, but is now asleep again so hope all will be well. I got about 4 hours kip (a lot for me lately) so my head feels like it's got cotton wool in it today  :Crazy: (more than usual lol).
A lovely sunny purry day to everyone too  :hug: long may it last!
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Post by: Mark on October 10, 2008, 09:53:06 AM
I'm glad things are better today. Maybe you can get another nap in and Swampy can enjoy a mild sunny day  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 10, 2008, 10:06:09 AM
Kate you will be ill if you keep losing sleep.  Try to catnap during the day when Swampy does it will help you catch up.

Glad you all had a good night and wishing lots of sunshine for the brave boy today  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 10, 2008, 18:16:42 PM
pleased you have had sun and lots of cuddles to swampy  :hug:

been dull and very cold here today!
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Post by: Mark on October 10, 2008, 18:28:02 PM
Did you manage to get a SAD lamp?

I saw these when I was looking for a reading lamp http://www.amazon.co.uk/CRAFT-LIGHT-COMPANY-SPECTRUM-DAYLIGHT/dp/B00178IHBI/ref=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&s=kitchen&qid=1223659124&sr=8-31

Not sure if it would be any help?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 11, 2008, 05:31:13 AM
Hoping  you all had a good night's rest and hope there is abundance of sunshine today
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 11, 2008, 09:29:00 AM
Thanks for the link, Mark. It's proving very tricky to find one that is UV and gives off vitamin D at the right frequency and that isn't too bright for his brain. The reptiley ones are all fluorescent, which is apparently a problem. So haven't bought one yet but must keep at it. I have to send the links to the vet by email so he can check them out. Vet has said forget the infra red warm ones as we can use a heatpad, just try to get vit D range in a SAD one (which is good as I could also use it).

Very sunny again today which is wonderful!  Swampy woke me up at 4am and had already been up and visited the tray by himself, which is at least good from one point of view! He's been quite hyper though, not resting at all and miaowing a bit and eating more than normal, so something's up. Yesterday he slept a lot, which I thought was the Fortekor.

How many days into taking Fortekor does the CRF spike and how many days until it settles down into something more predictable? (of course his neuro problem is a major complication). I give it at about 10 with a little food. But he ate 1/2 can k/d in one go this morning, which is really unusual - normally 1/2 can on a good (pre accident) day would be in 2 breakfasts over a 3 hour period. 

We are getting those urine pipettes from the vet to use to get water into him today too. Sending big hugs and furry toe tickles to everyone  :hug:
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Post by: Mark on October 11, 2008, 11:30:17 AM
I think they say around 5 days for the levels to settle with Fortekor. It's the first few days that are the worse as apparently, it increases creatine levels which then settle down again. I think we have hit the 2 years Mark with Clapton taking it.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 11, 2008, 12:36:48 PM
Clever boy Swampy.  Hope the agitation settles and he can enjoying some nice sunny relaxation  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 11, 2008, 13:11:59 PM
Sending more cuddles and healing vibes for Swampy this morning
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 11, 2008, 13:40:45 PM
Waiting for the vet to call me - I texted him as he didn't call when surgery closed as we'd arranged. We are very worried. Swampy just paces and is a bit wobbly. He must be so tired as he started walking at about 4am and hasn't stopped except for the odd 10 mins or so and about 1/2 hour in the sun, but then he left the sunny bed for the futon. The pattern is he sits for a little bit, then paces agitatedly. At one point he started walking in right hand circles a bit too.
His eyes aren't moving sideways and he's eaten, had his fortekor and has found his tray, but this is not good. I was so hopeful after the last 2 days. Max's presence doesn't calm him either. I think the cortisone must be wearing off. I was hoping to get it topped up today. The vet didn't want to because Swampy's cold would maybe then kick in but my view is it helps his brain. I feel so upset and pessimistic again.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 11, 2008, 13:46:50 PM
Try not to worry too much Kate you have been here before and the cortisone helped.  He might need to have them regularly to keep him stable.  Big hug to you and Swampy
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 11, 2008, 15:05:55 PM
yes you're right. I must just let what happens happen. The vet called and is cycling round with some prednisolone tablets on his way out. Says they may or may not help but hopefully they will cause Swampy to feel better but they take at least 24 hours to work unlike the jab. I think i will go out for a bit too when OH gets back as this sun is lovely here today. Hope it's the same with everyone  :hug:

PS Swampy's been brought some Vivitonin too - for dogs and cats with old age dementia (thinks they may help him by increasing blood flow to the brain) and he brought Swampy a little bag of catnip too, which was unexpected and very sweet. The Swampcat is FINALLY asleep, 12 hours on, curled up with Max  :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on October 11, 2008, 16:23:06 PM
Awww the catnip was a lovely touch!

Hugs for swampy.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 11, 2008, 16:45:47 PM
That's kind of the vet.  My dog Pepsi (RIP) used to take Vivitonin.  Hope you managed to get out for a while and that the cats enjoyed the catnip.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 11, 2008, 19:50:01 PM
just given the vititonin and hope it doesn't have any side effects. Probably not too clever to start it at night but the vet wanted me to start it before monday. (may try to move the dose by a few hours a day until it's given at lunchtime or something). Swamp managed to take a steroid earlier but spat it so many times that I had to chuck it (it must taste yuk as he foamed). Suddenly he seems calmer (at the moment anyhow....). I think he may have had another little brain bleed during the night. Until an hour ago he was miserable and in his igloo with his coat all 'stirred' (what do you call it when their coats go in visible layers when they are unwell). Now his coat is lying down again and silky. It strikes me that the vivitonin is an attempt to stop further strokes. All day we could not even pick up Swampy as he got too agitated. Just now I picked him up and he purred. So we are following the wise advice on here and enjoying the moment and hoping for a night with no further incident.
What a lovely day and hope everyone and their babes enjoyed it. My OH stayed with Swamp (one of them snored lol) and I went out for 45 mins which was good xx
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 11, 2008, 21:54:56 PM
I'm glad he seems a bit calmer, hope you do too Kate  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 12, 2008, 00:27:33 AM
What a hard time for you and Swampy, I do hope both of you get some sleep tonight. Lots of good vibes for Swampy  :hug:

It just struck me that Swampy cant tell when its day and night and as cats are naturally night animals, maybe thats whey he is awake every night. Maybe his body clock has just gone back to a cat one.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 12, 2008, 05:17:26 AM
Glad he has settled again, what a roller coaster you are on.  Hope you had a peaceful night and have a quiet day  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 12, 2008, 10:36:23 AM
Hi, lovely sunny day here and Swamp's been tortured with all his morning meds but is a bit calmer at the mo' even if prone to right hand circles still. The night wasn't too bad - he's a bit more vocal. He's still not sleeping much, either night or day though. Vivitonin's made him hungrier and he noshed some of Max's dry too overnight. I left out J/d which gets good marks for omega whatsits and arthritis help from the Fabcats Vivitonin blurb the vet gave me. (If you have a cat with inappetance, you might ask the vet if you could use that!).  He enjoyed a good zoomgroom in the sun this morning too after his 3 pills and eye mooty!
I did manage a few hours kip so do feel a bit calmer today. Thanks to all of you so very much for hearing me out and helping me through this. Lots of sunshine coming your way all day too I hope  :hug:
 :grouphug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on October 12, 2008, 11:41:06 AM
It sounds as though Swampy is having a good day so far!  Fingers crossed he can enjoy some sunshine today and that the meds help him  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 12, 2008, 14:25:11 PM
Swampy - Ppppprrffffppppt!   Love, Paddy xxx

Kate - for you  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 12, 2008, 14:28:05 PM
Glad things are fairly calm and hope he and you and Max and your OH have a relaxing and sunny day.   :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on October 12, 2008, 15:05:17 PM
Just to say that I'm glad to hear that Swampy is having a good day and enjoying the sunshine.
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Post by: clarenmax on October 12, 2008, 15:43:42 PM
Topping up with lots more vibes today, and hoping that the sunshine is making everyone feel a bit better  :hug: xxxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 12, 2008, 19:04:29 PM
he's done some pacing and we got worried as when he was zzzzing he had a bad dream, his eyes opened a bit so you could see the whites, which are totally red. I suppose if he's been having brain bleeds that's what you'd expect. My neighbour says that that can be a sign of a brain tumour too (she had one, poor woman). Anyhow I think he's just had his meds - the 1/4 Vivitonin is tiny and easily pouched, so will judge by appetite or lack of, later on.
Yes what a fantastic boost to have some sun to rest in. Mind you, Swampy is leaving the sunniest areas after a short time. I wonder if they hurt his brain at all? I just have to assault him one more time today (lactulose). I feel so bad with all the med attacks - there are 7 in all, all have to be done at different times.  Here's hoping for a good night for all  :hug: and may all our babes safely find the litter tray.....and snore loudly and safely tonight.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 12, 2008, 19:37:52 PM
Bless him I, too, hope you all have a peaceful night  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on October 12, 2008, 19:41:59 PM
Jusr topping up the healing vibes for Swampy today - i hope you all have a peaceful night xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 12, 2008, 21:05:09 PM
Lots of love to Swampy tonight  :hug:
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Post by: ChrisB on October 12, 2008, 22:27:11 PM
Kate, hope you all have a restful night, X
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 13, 2008, 07:58:33 AM
Topping up the healing vibes for Swampy, and hoping you both had a good night.    :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 13, 2008, 08:28:25 AM
Happy Monday wishes to you and Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on October 13, 2008, 08:29:13 AM
Same here, some added :cuddle:
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Post by: Mark on October 13, 2008, 08:41:25 AM
Hope he had a good night.

I have been googling about the vitamin D lamps again and all I can find are human sunlamp type things that you have to wear google with, fluorescent strips or bulbs that look like energy saving bulbs. I'm not sure if they consider them to be fluorescent or not?

http://www.amazinghealth.co.uk/ionising-light-bulbs.htm
(The bulb at the bottom is ionising + Vitamin D)
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Post by: Leanne on October 13, 2008, 08:55:03 AM
What a lovely vet you have  :hug:

More vibes for you and swampy xxxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 13, 2008, 09:10:33 AM
many thanks Mark, I will forward on that link. It looks fairly innocuous to me but I'm not doing a thing without vet advice at this point.

Swampy had a reasonable night and has eaten and purred but he is still walking in right hand circles quite a bit and having to be rescued, although did manage to find the tray. I rang to find out if I can increase his steroid dose but the locum vet is on duty until wednesday unfortunately which increases my anxiety. I just suppose (?) that the steroid pills are a lot lower dose than an injection and wondered if Swampy shouldn't have an injection today instead. If I'd known, I'd have asked for a visit on saturday after surgery.

I got some sleep but had awful nightmares on predictable subjects. I'm sure you've all been there with that too. The sun looks like it may have hit a mist wall today. Hope to see it in a couple of hours.

xxxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 13, 2008, 09:41:17 AM
I am sorry to hear he is still circling - interesting that it is in the opposite direction to his earlier circling.  Locum vet may cast a new eye over it and might not be a bad thing.  Glad he managed some sleep and purring  :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on October 13, 2008, 13:58:20 PM
Hugs for you and Swampy.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 13, 2008, 14:00:38 PM
The locum vet's not coming. We try to hang on until wednesday with Swampy getting 2 pred pills a day from today to see if that helps. Vet sent a message saying that's all he can do, otherwise I must take Swamp for an MRI. He knows I can't do that as he wouldn't survive it. Swamps is ok when sitting or lying (hardly sleeps though) and purrs and seems ok, but as soon as he gets up to walk there is a problem. OH and I argued as OH says as long as he is happy in himself sitting or lying we can't take drastic decisions. I am becoming less sure that this is fair to Swampy. As he is physically robust, the decision is harder still. Plus if he makes it through to Friday, it is his 17th birthday. I feel a terrible mix up of emotions right now and think one thing one minute and then another the next. Sorry to go on again and we send  :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on October 13, 2008, 14:01:45 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 13, 2008, 14:13:04 PM
Hug for you Kate it is a terrible situation you are in.  Perhaps if you ask your regular vet what he would do if it was his cat?  It is difficult to make a decision when Swampy is so obviously fighting. 
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Post by: Leanne on October 13, 2008, 14:13:47 PM
Your post today has had me in tears so I can only imagine what you are going though.

I have no real advice but  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 13, 2008, 14:25:06 PM
Oh Kate, petal.  It's so hard for you, and I can totally see where you're coming from, also your OH's arguments too.  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Nothing will spoil before Friday, and Swampy's special day.  Celebrate his birthday and enjoy the day with him.

If, after that, you still feel it's unfair on Swampy then have another chat with your OH and see if you can reach agreement, perhaps with the input of Swampy's vet on his visit on Wednesday.  Tell him what both you and your OH have been discussing and see what his opinion is.   At the end of the day, I'm a great believer in going with your gut instinct.  If you feel deep down Swampy's quality of life is suffering, then letting go might be the kindest step.  And the hardest.    :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 13, 2008, 14:36:03 PM
The vet is aware of how much we love Swampy. He says Swampy's the most loved cat (he's not really a cat see, he's the child I didn't have or something/one so loved that I can't really describe our bond) that he's had as a patient and he knows that this makes it so hard. But he keeps on saying we must discuss euthanasia. But then he tells me he's going away at Xmas, so I said that Swampy wouldn't make it that long and he said oh you never know.
I think OH is hoping that the decision is taken for him in that something awful happens like a big stroke, or else Swampy becomes miserable all the time.  I don't blame OH for thinking like that and as Swamp purrs when we cuddle him, it would be wrong right now I think. I just would hate him to be dizzy and disoriented all the time. He's so pumped full of stimulants (steroids and Vivitonin) so we have to try to wait and see if they have an effect.
I just posted a long answer to someone desperate about fibrosarcoma (I've been there with Swampy in 05) which made me concentrate on something else, but can't do that for long. Thanks so much for helping me get through this. xx
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on October 13, 2008, 14:52:44 PM
Thinking of you all at this dreadfully difficult time.

xC
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 13, 2008, 15:00:14 PM
Perhaps if you ask your regular vet what he would do if it was his cat? 

That is actually a very good idea and something i have done before.

Kate, I just dont know what advice to offer because i dont want to push you one way or another....its not my place to do that  :hug: And you havent asked for peoples opinions either
It would be very easy as an outsider to tell you want you should do but you are Swampys Mum and the decision has to come from you, all i can say is we are all thinking of you and know what a terrible place you are in at the moment  :hug:

BIG kisses to our brave boy xxx
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Post by: clarenmax on October 13, 2008, 15:00:54 PM
I have no advice at all hunnie, just wanted say I'm thinking of you, and I know you'll do whatever is right for darling Swampy if and when the time comes  :hug: :hug: xxxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 13, 2008, 15:12:46 PM
nothing to say just a huge  :hug: from me and my boy who is asleep with his bro' Max. xx
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Post by: sheryl on October 13, 2008, 16:31:53 PM
Oh Kate Sweetie, I wish there were words to make you feel better but there just arnt - thinking of you the gorgeous Swampy xxx  :hug:
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Post by: Liz on October 13, 2008, 16:38:00 PM
Having been through the ringer and everything with Gem in the last month it is a terrible dilemma

I think that you need to put your hat on your head though and not lead with your heart - harsh words but a very knd person on this board sent me the the right direction and then Gem looked at me and said Mum its time to let me go

hand on heart and lots of tears but the vet agreed that we couldn't go on with Gem much longer

I hope you enjoy his birthday and then have a long chat with Swampy and see what he thinks you should do :hug:
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 13, 2008, 17:17:24 PM
I am sorry things are looking so dire - one thing I would say is that purring isn't always a happy thing, they also do it to comfort themselves, so not really a good indication. It is a lot harder when it isn't as clear cut, it was similar with Mabel, but you have to consider their quality of life all the time, not just when they are sitting, as that is when neuro problems are bound to be better. Ask your vet the honest question on Wed, my vet answers that now, although she shied away at first, and then have a chat with Swampy, I always ask mine to let me know when they are ready. Good luck, and we are all here for you
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Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on October 13, 2008, 18:11:16 PM
No advice really I just wanted to say I am thinking of you and sending  :hug: to all of you
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Post by: JackSpratt on October 13, 2008, 18:12:37 PM
I know what you mean about the indescribable bond. My cats are....well I'd say my family, but even that doesn't seem quite expressive enough. These amazing animals have chosen to share their wonderful little personalities with me and I'm honoured to have that in my life.

Toby who we lost to CRF in June was probably the one animal that could encourage complete calm in me. Sometimes I think of him and miss that so much.

You'll know what to do for the best, honestly. Your love for Swampy will guide you, and there's no way Swampy could think you acted with anything other than love in your heart whatever you decide. :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 13, 2008, 18:26:06 PM
I'm just not getting enough unhappiness or suffering from Swampy right now to say for sure that it is time. His purring is in response to affection or being picked up, so not pain purring. Being adventurous, he can't sit still so does wander around the room and that's when the stress of not knowing where he is, plus dizziness, makes him circle and become upset. He is eating, his weight is stable, he seems to enjoy grooming Max and still cleans himself. The tough bits are when he walks around. The last injection of steroids improved that in 3 days, with days 4 and 5 being the best and day 6 he had another episode in his brain. I'm not sure about the pills and how strong/weak they are in comparison to the injection. That is where we can be guided by the vet - he can tell us if there should be a better response to meds within a time frame. 
The vet's already said that it is our call as he is only here a short time, Swampy doesn't enjoy his visit so he can't judge really on the merits. That's for us to discuss and decide.  If there was unbearable constant suffering or loss of dignity like I've had with all my other cats, you have no doubts. Of course the current situation is unlikely to stay the same over the next few days.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 13, 2008, 18:30:05 PM
One day at a time, hun.   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 13, 2008, 18:35:08 PM
you're so right. You must be so fed up telling me those wise words (but I panic of course).  :hug: to you and little Paddy  :hug:

I expect that I will know when it is time. Doubt is probably a sign that it isn't. xx
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Post by: Sabrina (Auferstehen) on October 13, 2008, 18:39:57 PM
 :hug: and all from my terrors on 4 paws.

Hope swampy has a good night tonight and hopefully a sunny day tomorrow as well.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 13, 2008, 18:46:08 PM
Kate  :hug: :hug:
Swampy  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: JackSpratt on October 13, 2008, 18:48:46 PM
Has to be said Kate, Sue is the best at helping with wise words at times like this. :hug: Noone is fed up with you; if anything we're all frustrated we can't do anything to help you and Swampy.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 13, 2008, 19:14:32 PM
you are all helping me so much. I can't describe how much. give yourselves a huge purry  :hug:
I just had some "light" relief. I put Max on the scales....!!!! (not that I can talk). 5.4kgs! Time to measure out that dry food methinks.
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 13, 2008, 19:25:48 PM
Just wish I could take your pain away
 :hug: :hug: for you and Swampy
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 13, 2008, 20:00:38 PM
he seems to enjoy grooming Max and still cleans himself.

When they are still grooming themselves, or even grooming another cat, I always take that as a positive sign. I think a very sickly, depressed cat wouldn't groom himself, never mind another cat. You will know if and when quality of life isnt there anymore because you know Swampy so well.  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 13, 2008, 20:09:55 PM
you're so right. You must be so fed up telling me those wise words (but I panic of course).  :hug: to you and little Paddy  :hug:

I expect that I will know when it is time. Doubt is probably a sign that it isn't. xx

Not at all, sweetheart.  :hug:   And I still think that your gut instinct is the right one - if you think Swampy is good for four days, four weeks, four months, then you will use your instinct to guide you.  All of us know you would give your right arm/greatest riches to have Swampy back to "normal" again, and whatever decision you make will only be taken after much soul-searching.  Swampy will, I agree, let you know.  Until then, hold the faith.   :hug: :hug:  Each day as it comes, and one day at a time.   :hug:

Paddy sends big whiskery Prrrfpppptss!  for the brave Swampy.   :hug:
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Post by: Mark on October 13, 2008, 20:45:03 PM
I can only echo what Sue has said Kate - words of wisdom  :hug:

You have done and are doing everything possible to give your boy the best quality of life and dignity.  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on October 13, 2008, 21:40:23 PM
I can only echo what the others have said! You will know when the time comes - you are Swampys mum and you know him best. It is perfectly clear from all you have said that you love your boys dearly and have given Swampy (and Max) all the love they could possibly have. :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 13, 2008, 21:43:54 PM
i think that many words of wisdom have been said and i certainly would not try to tell you want to do because only you can decide along with Swampy. You know him so well.

What does disturb me is that you and your OH seem not to agree on the best course of action and although its not my business but it would be terrible if your OH, who obviously loves Swampy too, wishes to take a 'get out of jail free card' for himself  hoping that maybe nature will take its course. I humbly suggest that this is not the best way for him to think and he must think of Swampy and his quality of life because that must be paramount.

Sorry off my soap box and hope that I have not caused any offence. I feel I know Swampy so well from all you have said about him and hope that he has a great birthday with you and Max.

Lots of good wishes for him tonight  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Corporal Smokey on October 13, 2008, 22:40:30 PM
I've only ever lost one cat so sadly and i felt she told me exactly what night she wanted to go to the bridge. I held her and told her it was ok and that was it. We cuddled for hours and I fell asleep holding her and protecting her. When I woke I knew I had to take her to the vet's the next day. She didn't make it to the next day  :'( .

Up until that point though I had lots of questions and lots of doubts. As long as you have doubts I'm not sure whether the time's quite right.

Take care of yourself, oh and Max but especially Swamp, he'll let you know  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 13, 2008, 22:51:36 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: thank you. xx
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on October 14, 2008, 00:29:30 AM
Kate I can only echo what others have said but I do agree with Gill.

There is no doubt that your love Swampy and as such you WILL make the right decision for him when the time is right hun  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: hannah (weeny) on October 14, 2008, 01:05:01 AM
 :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 14, 2008, 03:20:08 AM
Very early morning get better , healing vibes for Swampy and big :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to you as i know what you are going through .
Take care and hope you have a sunny day for you all .
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 14, 2008, 06:15:24 AM
Morning Swampy and family.  Hope you all enjoyed a restful night and are ready for a lovely day ahead.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 14, 2008, 07:07:07 AM
Morning Swampy, Max and Kate.  Hoping you have a sunny day in every respect today.  Topping up the healing cuddles for you all   :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 14, 2008, 09:03:17 AM
Just topping up with some more healing vibes this morning, sending lots of  :hug: :hug: and hoping you have some nice sunshine today.

Hope you all have a good day today  :hug:
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 14, 2008, 09:06:30 AM
Sending all the Rays of Sunshine I can muster your way  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on October 14, 2008, 09:15:16 AM
I hope Swampy gets lots of sun today and plenty of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to you both.

I've not (yet) been in your situation decision wise and I can't imagine how it makes you feel but there are some very wise words of wisdom for the purrs people here  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 14, 2008, 09:59:19 AM
Morning to everyone. Swampy had a reasonable night and found his way to the tray, even if not by the most direct route. He also found some old food I'd left out by mistake and almost whoopsed it on me at 4.45am which was "lovely"....bit hyper and still a bit of circling but he's now asleep, waiting for his fortekor and other mooty torture to start when he shows any sign of waking up. He's been a bit more vocal but think that's probably cos I gave him an extra 1/2 pred last night. Don't have too high hopes for the sun today but here's hoping for a quiet one anyhow.
Gill - no offence at all, I know just what you mean. My OH will do what's right for Swampy when it's time, I'm sure of that. He loves Swampy very much.
I've noticed that when he's agitated or stressed (like he's got to find the tray) his circling gets worse so am trying to keep him zen.

lots of love and  :hug: to all.
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Post by: tab on October 14, 2008, 10:27:07 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
to you all
love
Tab
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 14, 2008, 10:29:09 AM
Well done Swampy, clever, clever boy
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 14, 2008, 11:38:07 AM
btw I'm having trouble getting his pred down him. The pills aren't coated and they hit his tongue and he starts drooling and foaming as they must taste repulsive. This doesn't happen with his other tablets (although I'm worried that he gets them all before meals and may start to associate food with being tortured beforehand). I tried them coated in some yoghurt but he just spat and drooled yoghurt as well.
Next dose is due around lunch time. They are very tiny so if you coat them in some food, they'll stick to my finger. Any ideas? He is getting them twice a day at present - one tab lunchtime and 1/2 at night.
They don't go down easily like Fortekor does. (he sat on my lap like a sleepy baby and gulped down his fortekor - it was so sweet).
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 14, 2008, 11:55:24 AM
Dairylea cheese spread?
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Post by: Stuart on October 14, 2008, 13:10:39 PM
Yeah Misty takes His fortekor with no problem too

Sending more possitive vibes  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 14, 2008, 13:34:00 PM
btw I'm having trouble getting his pred down him. The pills aren't coated and they hit his tongue and he starts drooling and foaming as they must taste repulsive. This doesn't happen with his other tablets (although I'm worried that he gets them all before meals and may start to associate food with being tortured beforehand). I tried them coated in some yoghurt but he just spat and drooled yoghurt as well.
Next dose is due around lunch time. They are very tiny so if you coat them in some food, they'll stick to my finger. Any ideas? He is getting them twice a day at present - one tab lunchtime and 1/2 at night.
They don't go down easily like Fortekor does. (he sat on my lap like a sleepy baby and gulped down his fortekor - it was so sweet).

Hi, I've just skim read this thread and cried lots  :hug:
regarding he tablet our Penny used to foam when I gave her tablets it was a nightmare however what my sister used on her cat was coating it in butter so it slid down easily.  What I found brlliant for our last cat Smokey, was putting half a tablet inside half a king prawn and never had a problem! if your cat likes prawns it works a treat.  Our Schui takes his Fortekar well too (though I usually crush it in his food)
very best wishes for Swampy and you xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 14, 2008, 13:58:25 PM
I could not medicate Kocka at all but she had high blood pressure for the last year and needed a 1/4 tablet every day. Now this was really tiny and I used to crush it and then feed it in tiny bits in her ad diet which she ate off my finger.

The problem is that unless its really tiny, when crushed they make a lot of powder!

I am pleased that Swampy got some night time sleep and if we had a sign of any sun would send it all to you. Lots of love to Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 14, 2008, 14:19:30 PM
got it down him this time at least! no foaming but a bit of gagging. I mixed it in with a drop of turkey pate, the Hills muck they both like, woke him up (awww) put him on my knee and put my finger right down.
This isn't going to work every time as if he's awake it will be an awful lot harder as he's really strong. He still has his vivitonin (tiny 1/4 tab; prob the easiest), Kaminox dropper (spits yellow iron muck all over everything) and another 1/2 tab steroid to go today. I'm just adding water to his food as he doesn't seem to want to drink. He drank at 5 and 8am though. If he's not able to find the bowl, I try bringing it to him a couple of times a day but generally he isn't interested. I tried butter but it stuck to my finger! yes even these tiny pills make so much powder. You'd think they could make pred with a coating though don't you, as it's so commonly used by cats and they must all hate the taste.
No sun at all but they are both curled up together with Max washing Swamp on my favourite cushion on the futon. Hopefully stay like that for a couple of hours before we have the next circling walk to negotiate.
 :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on October 14, 2008, 18:22:01 PM
Just popping in to top up the healing vibes before I go back to work. :hug:
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Post by: ChrisB on October 14, 2008, 22:11:42 PM
Kate, hope that you and Swampy have a restful night - thinking of you at this difficult time.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 14, 2008, 22:13:06 PM
Hope Swampy and you get a good sleep tonight  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 14, 2008, 22:15:28 PM
and from me too  :hug:
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Post by: Lynds on October 14, 2008, 22:21:07 PM
and me makes three  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 14, 2008, 22:34:42 PM
good night to everyone. Swampy's had a good sleep all afternoon so may be awake a bit tonight and be helped to the tray, but he's still on the warm cushion with Max right now and happy enough. OH came home and held his paw (purrs), then they both snored side by side on the futon. Have to try to speak to the vet tomorrow. Not sure if he's coming round or not. I want to ask him about motion sickness or dizziness meds, if such a thing exists.  I read up tonight on vestibular disease and while he has some symptoms of the cerebral vestibular disease, he doesn't have others like being unstable on his feet all the time or head tilt.

good night xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 14, 2008, 22:36:06 PM
Goodnight  :hug:
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Post by: Cheesecat on October 14, 2008, 22:43:48 PM
Hi Kate,

Just wanted to say that I hope things are more positive tonight and tomorrow for you and the gorgeous Swampy.

I keep looking at his picture in the purrs diary - he is such a gorgeous cat  ;D I now realise he is in this weeks page because of his birthday  :Luv2:

I haven't posted in here much but I am reading the thread every day and just wanted to let you know that I am thinking of you  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 15, 2008, 06:23:43 AM
Hope you all had an easy night and hope you manage to see the vet today.  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 15, 2008, 07:44:34 AM
Morning Swampy.   :hug: :hug:  Hope that you have the most excellent day today.  Kate, hope you manage to get to see the vet, and to have a good chat to him.  Don't forget to write stuff down you might want to ask, in case you forget (or is that just me, 'cos I have amemory like a sieve!  :))

Sending big cuddles to you and Swampy from me and Paddy  :cuddle:
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Post by: Leanne on October 15, 2008, 08:45:46 AM
More vibes to you all from us  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 15, 2008, 09:00:38 AM
Sending lots of Sunshine and positive vibes your way. :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 15, 2008, 09:03:44 AM
Sending lots of morning huggles and vibes your way, I don't think I'll have any sunshine from Surrey to send you today, but hopefully the warmth of all our wishes for you guys will be OK  :hug: xxxxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 15, 2008, 10:30:16 AM
hello, thanks so much again.  He had an ok night, up at 5am needing some help and has eaten and had his meds. He seems calm on the futon and the last 2 days he's slept more during the day - not just sitting and then pacing - but it's just when he gets up to walk that he's still going in circles to the right. If he finds what he wants like the tray or water, he somehow manages despite the right hand circles. If he doesn't he starts to get upset and stressed and walks faster in ever smaller and smaller circles and needs rescuing. That's when he miaows too. But I just woke him for his fortekor and turkey pate snack and his kaminox and he sat on my lap and it seems like nothing's wrong. I don't think the vet's coming (spoke to the nurse) but have left a message to speak to him. As he's so busy it's best when he does come as not only does he see Swampy, but he gives him his full attention -no other pets or phone calls happening at the same time.
Sue, that's what I do (esp as the vet can be vague when busy and can change his mind) I make a list of the most NB questions and ask them more than once to be sure. Hopefully he will call me late morning.

mega Swamphugs to everyone  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 15, 2008, 10:47:30 AM
poor Swampy  :( I hope your vet can sort something out soon for him.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 15, 2008, 13:53:08 PM
 I spoke to the vet. Have to keep doing what I am doing but decrease the steroid back to 1 tab p.d again from tomorrow. He said if Swampy was younger he would really want him to have an MRI. He hopes the Vivitonin may make him feel better and stop any further attacks, but it's wait and see. Again he suggests 2 weeks from the treatment starting to see improvement or not, as that's the relevant timeframe. He also said many people would have decided on pts by now as the nursing, with little prospect of recovery, is exhausting and I am not in great health, but that is just too horrible to think about. Anyhow he says he has done and I have done all that can be done and now the rest is up to Swampy's injured brain.
At least now my littly has had lunch and is back asleep with Max so that's good.
xx



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Post by: Janeyk on October 15, 2008, 14:07:06 PM
My old boy Schui has very bad sinuses (possibly some growth) and renal failure, recently he was very low my vet gave him a steroid injection and he has picked up immensley, he used to have them previously too for gum problems (before he had all teeth removed).  Each time though they have taken at least a fortnight to kick in and then Schui has improved a great deal.  I hope Swampy willl improve too, does the vet not think he is in any pain or discomfort?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 15, 2008, 14:20:57 PM
So it's over to you Swampy, come on big boy there are so many people sending you love, hugs and positive vibes that you just have to feel them.   :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on October 15, 2008, 14:30:59 PM
Come on Swampster you can do it lil man xxxx
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Post by: Gwen on October 15, 2008, 14:34:57 PM
Come on Swampy,we're all routing for you over here matey :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 15, 2008, 15:20:36 PM
I'll pass on your messages to his furry head xx

No, the vet's best guess is that he's not in pain; that's the first thing I asked him last time he came around. Swampy gets frustrated and stressed when he can't find the litter tray but is generally being very brave. If I think he's finding life intolerable, then that would remove the doubt factor.
He's just woken and is doing his "thermals" (head going up and down, sniffing, done that since he went blind) so must go and reassure him.  :hug:  :hug: for the prayers and vibes.  I can't believe how good Max is being with him (maybe Max knows he is now 'top' cat in terms of abilities?!) and long may that last. Their snogging really calms him down!

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Post by: Gwen on October 15, 2008, 17:46:05 PM
I'm sure cats know more than we think and Max understands that Swamp aint the same as the "old swamp",we dont give them enough credit I dont think as they are such intellegent creatures and I'm sure Max will keep and eye on Swamp in his own ways too :Luv2:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 15, 2008, 17:52:19 PM
Oh I do agree with Gwen, cats no so much more than we think.

Lots of love to Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 16, 2008, 06:01:11 AM
Morning to the Swampy clan, looking forward to a good update  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 16, 2008, 07:47:08 AM
Morning chaps.  Just dropping by to top up all of the wonderful healing vibes and cuddles for the Swamp Monster, bless his heart.   :hug: :hug: :hug:

And Paddy sends a great big whiskery PPPPrrrffpppptt! jst for him.  ;D  :hug:
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 16, 2008, 08:21:35 AM
Just flying in to top up the  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 16, 2008, 09:03:50 AM
Mooornin everybuddy, just popping by to top up with lots more vibes for today, and lots more  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: too xxx
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Post by: Janeyk on October 16, 2008, 09:12:57 AM
and from me too  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 16, 2008, 09:29:50 AM
Swampy's mum is such a mad old sheep these days that she thought tomorrow was the 16th - in fact, TODAY is the Swampcat's 17th birthday!!!! So he's had lots of cuddles and (poor wee lamb) singing on his head. The sun seems to be trying to come out for his day, I hope it does.
Having said that, we've had a bit of a difficult night with him agitated and pacing and unable to find the tray so lots of miaowing from 4am, then eating madly this am - I hope that it's just the cortisone, nothing more sinister than that as his mega-eating has been an indicator of trouble before.  Here's hoping we can have a calm peaceful day with quite a bit of resting and that he can find his way about a bit later on.

lots of love and PPPRRRRFFFFPPPPTTTs back from my lovely sweet old man on his birthday that we weren't sure he'd see  :hug:  :hug: :hug:  He doesn't have a favourite food so I think just even more cuddles are in order  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on October 16, 2008, 09:36:17 AM
:birthday: Swampy Man!!!

Huge :cuddle: from me and Lexy xx
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 16, 2008, 09:37:58 AM
 :Flowers: :pressie: :birth 2: :birthday:  Hey, young man!   Hope you have a fab day - woss your meowmy like?!  :innocent:  :evillaugh:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 16, 2008, 09:39:42 AM
 :birthday: :birth 6: :hug 2: :cat laugh:

Hope you have a wonderful birthday little man xxxxx
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Post by: Leanne on October 16, 2008, 09:44:37 AM
Happy Birthday Swampy
Hope you have a fantastic day lil man
Love from all of us xxxx  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 16, 2008, 09:46:47 AM
Blimey! I didn't know he was 17 please give Swampy a huuuge birthday cuddle from me  :Luv2: and lots of love xx

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Post by: ChrisB on October 16, 2008, 09:52:32 AM
Happy Birthday Swampy, enjoy lots of cuddles and here's hoping for some sunshine too, XXX
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 16, 2008, 10:02:22 AM
 :birthday 1: :ahh: :birthday 1:

Happy Birthday Swampy ....

Lots and lots of love - and kisses on the head xxxxx
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Post by: tab on October 16, 2008, 10:58:01 AM
 :birthday: Swampy
Sending more vibes for a good day
love
Tab
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 16, 2008, 11:03:52 AM
Happy Birthday Swampy, hope you both have a good day  :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on October 16, 2008, 11:07:45 AM
Happy Happy Birthday sweet boy Swampy xxx  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: JackSpratt on October 16, 2008, 11:16:54 AM
Happy 17th Birthday, Swampy. Sending you a tummy tickle. :hug:
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Post by: Gwen on October 16, 2008, 11:49:27 AM
 :birthday:

Swampy :wow:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 16, 2008, 12:21:29 PM
Happy Birthday Swampy    :birth 6:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 16, 2008, 13:26:43 PM
:cheer: :yayyy: :blow kiss: :birth: :Flowers: :birthday 1: :birthday:

Oh Swampy, this birthday, above all, is so special.  Hope you have a wonderful day with lots of sunshine and peace :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 16, 2008, 13:38:32 PM
I took a few video clips and some photos of my Birthday Boy after he decided he didn't want the bedroom sun but plopped down and yelled to be taken back to 'his' futon. So here he is (assuming they come out):

photo: (http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/IMG_3897.jpg)

and video clip  - he's had rather a lot of vitamin B and amino acids, hence the mighty pink mouth!  :hug:

(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/th_MVI_3903.jpg) (http://s330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/?action=view&current=MVI_3903.flv)
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 16, 2008, 13:53:47 PM
ahhhh love his heart  :Luv:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 16, 2008, 13:55:14 PM
Bless him he is gorgeous
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Post by: bunglycat on October 16, 2008, 14:31:13 PM
 :birthday: to the beautiful Swampy - hope he stays well with lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: and healing vibe top-ups from the gang in Lincoln
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Post by: Mark on October 16, 2008, 15:17:23 PM
He is gorgeous  :Luv2:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 16, 2008, 15:37:48 PM
He's a stunning wee man  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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Post by: AliCat on October 16, 2008, 15:49:03 PM
Awwww he's so pretty! Happy Birthday Swampy!
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Post by: Janeyk on October 16, 2008, 16:49:58 PM
awwww, me and my cat Byron have just watched that he is so lovely  :Luv2: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 16, 2008, 18:28:00 PM
Such a beautiful man - doesn't look anything like his age!  ;)  And he's clearly very relaxed on his 'nana  :evillaugh:   :hug: :hug:  Topping up all of the birthday cuddles and the healing vibes.   xxx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 16, 2008, 18:31:14 PM
 :birthday:

to swampy from me and misa, sasa, franta and ducha......happy 17th such a special birthday  ;D#

love the big yawn swampy   :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on October 16, 2008, 19:01:24 PM
Hugs from me to the beautiful Swampy on his birthday.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 16, 2008, 19:33:46 PM
Hope Swampy had a super birthday and you all have a good night :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 16, 2008, 21:36:13 PM
thanks for all the lovely messages for the birthday Swamp. It feels just wonderful to be celebrating his 17th after all that has happened since his accident.

night night  :hug: all xx
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Post by: Baggy on October 16, 2008, 21:56:00 PM
Glad the sun came out for his birthday  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 16, 2008, 22:06:49 PM
Lots of snuggles to Swampy tonight  :hug:
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Post by: Gwen on October 16, 2008, 22:20:56 PM
Love the piccy and video,he's such an amazing cat and a lesson to us all that no matter how hard things may get,if we percevere we will get there,he's a true trooper.

Hope you all have a peacefull nights sleep :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 16, 2008, 23:18:20 PM
Aw, he looks so comfy and listen to that purrring!  :Luv2:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 16, 2008, 23:26:19 PM
i didnt have speakers on, and didnt know there was purrin. will have to listen  ;D
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 16, 2008, 23:29:31 PM
Oh yes staggering Purrs  ;D
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 17, 2008, 05:45:11 AM
Good morning hope you all had a peaceful night and that Swampy is well as he enters his 18th year  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 17, 2008, 07:01:08 AM
Morning to you Kate and to the marvellous Swampy and also to his bruvver, Max.   Hope Swampy had a wonderful sleep after his exciting birthday and am topping up the healing vibes and the cuddles for this wonderful chap.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 17, 2008, 08:06:24 AM
morning and huuuge cuddles to dear Swampy & Max :hug:  from me and my 2 today xx
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Post by: Mark on October 17, 2008, 09:02:31 AM
I heard the purring  :Luv2:

Great that he is getting used to things and that know he is safe and loved  :Luv2:

As for lamps, I found a full-spectrum lamp on ebay. AFAIK, all full spectrum lamps give out vitamin D. This one doesn't claim to but I bought two for reading/studying

The search term is       
   
BNIB Full Spectrum Non Flashing Desk/Reading/Table Lamp

Sorry I couldn't link as it ties it to my account. They are £19.99 + £6.50 postage. I wonder if the "non-flashing" bit is what the vet was wary of? - especially with anything neurological. I have seen other full spectrum lamps but they are usually £100+

I will see if there is anything in the leaflet when they arrive.

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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 17, 2008, 10:06:32 AM
That sounds great Mark, thank you.  I'll email the vet today with the ebay link so he can have a look over the weekend and if you let me know how bright they are when they arrive with you, that'd be great. Swampy seems to avoid direct sun lately and he's not allowed very bright or flickering artificial light near his head/eyes. It may be precautionary but as we aren't sure what's happened exactly in his brain, we have to be ultra careful, especially with a lamp which will be placed directly next to him.

Yes the advantage of my much used old camera is that it takes video clips with stereo sound! Swampy's purr is the loveliest sound in the world to me. He had a reasonably good night and I'm thankful as it's all caught up with me a bit the last few days. I must wake him in a mo to take his fortekor and liquid muck. The sun's out but I may leave him in here today as he feels more secure and the sun should stay and reach the futon at lunchtime for a couple of hours (hopefully).
I am neurotic today as the last 2 fridays he's rallied nicely, only to have a further brain bleed early on saturday morning. So please keep the prayers and vibes coming and lots of love and dark brown (stereo) purrs to all  :hug:  :hug: You gave me a great idea, now I'm going to play his purrs through the hifi speakers  ;D
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 17, 2008, 11:03:25 AM
Wonderful Swampy purrs.  Hope he has a good day and no problems tomorrow  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 17, 2008, 11:23:19 AM
Just topping up some more Swampy vibes for the day, and I too love his purr, he's adorable  :Luv: :Luv:
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Post by: Leanne on October 17, 2008, 12:20:51 PM
More vibes from us  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 17, 2008, 12:56:52 PM
Swampy is having a few problems after a good start to the day. He's been doing a lot of manic little circles since 10.30 or so, has a little upset tum (fortekor?) and at one point fell over on the bed. I rang the vet and the nurse told me to feed him a little - he gets stressed if he's hungry or wants the tray - and watch him and call if I think he needs a visit. Apparently the vet isn't going to be at work this mon and tues either, so if I am worried today or tomorrow I'll ask for a visit. Such a rollercoaster from one hour to the next. I did take him into the sun but he didn't want to stay, nor would he rest. So I've brought a reluctant Max back to the futon and they seem to be settling down together for a bit. Poor Max would rather be in the sun but I need him to try to calm Swampy down.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 17, 2008, 13:07:29 PM
Hey, Swampy, lil' feller - just relax with your brother.  Sending some calming thoughts to you and your Mum.  :care:
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Post by: JackSpratt on October 17, 2008, 15:18:23 PM
Sending calm down vibes for both Swampy and mum. Keep up the good work, Max. :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 17, 2008, 21:08:42 PM
Just popping on to send peaceful night wishes to you all  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 17, 2008, 21:09:49 PM
Sending goodnight cuddles to you Swampy  ;D
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Post by: Janeyk on October 18, 2008, 07:26:45 AM
 :hug: How is dear Swampy today?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 18, 2008, 08:31:22 AM
Good morning Swampy and co.  It's cold, crisp and frostyish here in Manchester.  Hope it's nice and sunny where you are.  Hope you had a good night and that your day is calm  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 18, 2008, 11:21:52 AM
Morning all, topping up with healing Swampy vibes and more  :hug: :hug:.  We've got loads of sunshine here today, so sending some your way just in case xxx
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Post by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on October 18, 2008, 11:23:45 AM
Sending good hopes and blessings to you and Swampy xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 18, 2008, 12:03:55 PM
Swamps had a goodish early morning - he found the tray twice and had his meds all right. It seems that lately he's a bit better early on than later in the day. I'm making my notes! I hope he'll enjoy a kip on the futon in the sun this afternoon, although he seems to have got a bit sun phobic lately too. He's having a miaow so must go and investigate. Enjoy the sun to all babes and slaves and xx  :hug:  :hug:

Had a run in with a neighbour who asked me flat out why I was letting him suffer still, which wasn't that great to deal with but there are always people like that aren't there? My other neighbour just wanted to know if Swampy was purring as then he could see why I was going the extra mile for him.
Anyhow here's hoping for the best this weekend xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 18, 2008, 13:29:45 PM
Glad he's having a good day so far, ignore your neighbour, what do they know?  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 18, 2008, 16:02:28 PM
He's started pooing twice a day now. (sorry those of delicate sensibilities!). Does anyone know if this could be from the cortisone (he's on 7.5mgs at present)? I know it makes them pee more. Otherwise when a cat has seizures they often poo a lot too so it could be a neuro thing. I forgot to ask the vet.
yes he's eating more than usual and so far the poo isn't diarrhoea (although he's on 3 - 4mls dose of normally constipating Kaminox - potassium and iron - so that could help gum him up a bit) but this is still a new development. He needed to go badly so had to be guided to the tray as needing to go badly = stress.

Plus his mum just had an inept attempt to get the teeny vivitonin down him, it ended up stuck in his teeth and in trying to clear his teeth his paw got the shudders - bit weird, thankfully now stopped.
Oh blimey now tucking into Max's dry when he's supposed to go 30 mins after his vivitonin without eating! (honestly I wonder if it matters that much?!). I can't see anything as a side effect of pred??

Mark, the vet didn't like that lamp (although we agreed it looks just the ticket for people) as wants something that throws a wider arc of (non fluorescent) light so it can be further from him, warm him and give him vit D. Vet thinks this may not be poss to find however (?); certainly I've had no luck looking. many thanks for your help with this anyhow.

xx
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Post by: AliCat on October 18, 2008, 16:04:44 PM
*hugs* for Swampy.  :Luv:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 18, 2008, 19:03:28 PM
Just popping by to give some evening hugs to Swampy and top up the vibes.

Kate, am sorry one of your neighbours was so insensitive.  It's not for anyone to judge the situation you're in here.  There but for the grace of God and all that.  Stay strong, sweetheart.   :hug: :hug:

Am sure if there's a lamp out there that's suitable, Mark will find it.  Go, Mark!  ;)

It sounds like the paw shaking will have been a neurological reaction, but am hoping you and your little family have a happy and peaceful night together tonight.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on October 18, 2008, 19:40:44 PM
Hi ya Kate,

I'm sure the extra pooing is due to the extra eating.  As long as his poo is firm I wouldn't see there is anything to worry about.

I would ignore what your neighbours said .... we know you are doing everything you can for your little man  :hug:
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on October 18, 2008, 20:02:32 PM
Hi Kate,

With regards to the "light" for swampy I'm not sure if they would be able to help but have you thought about contacting somewhere that does "hydroponic systems / lighting"  they may be able to suggest something.  Obviously you don't want a complete hydroponic system (unless of course you fancy setting up a cannabis factory in your lounge!) but I would imagine you can buy just 1 or 2 of the lights.


If you do a search for Grow lights it will bring up plenty of suppliers. 

This site seems to described every different kind of light.

http://www.goldenseed.co.uk/growroomlights.html


Not sure if this sort of thing would be any good "Wonderlite® Self-Ballasted Mercury Vapor Plant Grow Light"  http://homeharvest.com/spotgrowlightbulbs.htm
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 18, 2008, 21:25:31 PM
wow, thank you. As it's quite technical, I think I will call them and see if they can suggest anything. All I've read (or understood, lol) is that at certain frequencies UV light gives off a bit of vitamin D. (knew I should have paid more attention at school!).
My little man has slept most of today and swallowed his steroids without a struggle which is all a bit unusual, but here's hoping for a good night. And to all of you too  :grouphug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 18, 2008, 21:36:13 PM
Hoping for a good night for you all  :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 18, 2008, 22:04:57 PM
Hope you have peaceful night  :hug:
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Post by: Mark on October 18, 2008, 22:58:26 PM
Hi Kate,

With regards to the "light" for swampy I'm not sure if they would be able to help but have you thought about contacting somewhere that does "hydroponic systems / lighting"  they may be able to suggest something.  Obviously you don't want a complete hydroponic system (unless of course you fancy setting up a cannabis factory in your lounge!) but I would imagine you can buy just 1 or 2 of the lights.


If you do a search for Grow lights it will bring up plenty of suppliers. 

This site seems to described every different kind of light.

http://www.goldenseed.co.uk/growroomlights.html


Not sure if this sort of thing would be any good "Wonderlite® Self-Ballasted Mercury Vapor Plant Grow Light"  http://homeharvest.com/spotgrowlightbulbs.htm

I have been googling like mad. It seems the only ones that make the body produce vitamin D are the lightbulbs and strips that all seem to be fluorescent - or the mecrury ones but they seem to be the type that damage eyes, ie you need to wear goggles when using them (I remember them from the 70's). The Cannabis ones seem to be that kind. the only ones it seems that may help Swampy are SAD lamps. You could go for the lower power ones, maybe 2500lux - there are loads around - I really think they might be the right ones
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 18, 2008, 23:11:08 PM
thanks so much Mark for your help  :hug: . SAD lamp it will have to be - have you seen any that aren't a simple bulb though or are more like a panel (as I haven't)? Otherwise I'll have to find the one with the biggest arc of light.

blimey we just had poo no 3 of the day (not diarrhoea but still). Of course I worry as neuro horrors make cats poo an awful lot. But I hope I am wrong and the whole thing is down to the steroids. Swampy did a vaguely straight line tonight after a very long, happy looking snooze. We'll see won't we if he allows me a bit of a catnap tonight too. night night  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 18, 2008, 23:24:49 PM
Night night Swampy ......
Hope You get a good nights sleep too Kate  :hug:
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Post by: JackSpratt on October 18, 2008, 23:52:11 PM
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=SAD+light

Anything any good on here?

Night, Swampy, Kate, Max and OH. Hope you all get a good nights sleep.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 18, 2008, 23:57:11 PM
Popping in to send good night cuddles to Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 19, 2008, 07:16:01 AM
morning, hope Swampy has had a good night  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 19, 2008, 08:11:23 AM
Morning Swampy and co, hope you had a wonderful night and have a lovely day today with no problems  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 19, 2008, 08:25:54 AM
Morning Kate, morning Swampy.  I hope you had a lovely night's sleep and that the day is bright for you both.  Topping up the healing vibes.  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Mark on October 19, 2008, 10:20:08 AM
Hope you all had a good night  :hug:


Looking at the SAD lamps, it seems most of them just have the energy saver tubes or bulbs in so they would still be fluorescent?

Some of them are LED which would be safer but you have to avoid looking directly into the light. It's really confusing. I am not an expert but I really think the vet is saying not to use fluorescent as they flicker but I'm sure the new energy saving ones don't, in which case, a full spectrum bulb in a regular light socket would be the most effective as it would be a weak but wide arc - also the cheapest (around £10 for a bulb). Some of the sites say the SAD panels are a rip off as all they are is a box with some of those inside.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 19, 2008, 11:42:02 AM
Very many thanks Mark.  The vet's not there until wednesday but I'm going to send him an update email anyhow to ask a different question and what I'll do is mention the possibilities. If he picks it up on his home paperwork days, he may have more time to think about what's appropriate. I did tell him that it seems the only UV solutions are single bulb lamps. Perhaps we can combine that with a headpad (if you can put heatpads on futons with duvets on them?!).

I am doing notes anyhow as a pattern has emerged in the last 3 days of Swampy being at his best early on in the morning - finding the food, tray and water and walking in (virtually) straight lines, only to get worse as the day goes on. He's also doing 3 poos a day, not one - with increased eating but not by THAT much.  I need to give the info on timing of meds to see if that's linked eg he has the brain med vivitonin at 4.30pm, the steroids at 7.30pm and the fortekor at 10am.  18 months ago he was taken off fortekor as it caused lethargy and diarrhoea. The steroids cause hunger. But maybe the steroid/vivitonin combo peaks in the early hours, or maybe the fortekor makes him feel worse. That last possibility isn't going to go down well with the vet who loves fortekor as it's helped (in his words) "all" his CRF cats except Swampy.
If he came off Fortekor, the vet's concerned that his rising CRF would cause more brain problems too.

Plus if no Fortekor, he has to go on to Istin at a small dose for his bp - and Istin caused his ALT to flare last time.

It may not be meds related but just that he does better in the mornings, but don't you think it's a bit odd?

This am he opened the door with his paw (OH had left it slightly ajar), wandered off down the passage having a good sniff and then came back and had a paw biff (ok 2 secs but still!!!!) with Max. Yesterday evening he had to be helped everywhere and was very distressed.
He's now nicking Max's dry food again (I just let him now). I hope it's not just 'a good morning' but if it is, we are all enjoying it  :hug:  :hug: to all Sorry for the long post, just wondered what you thought too.


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Post by: Mark on October 19, 2008, 11:44:58 AM
Just a thought. When do you give Swampy his Fortekor?

I have seen morning recommended on quite a few sites. Clapton has his in the evening. I don't know if there is a better time?
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 19, 2008, 11:48:02 AM
Just topping up the Swampy vibes  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 19, 2008, 12:24:24 PM
Topping up with some Sunday vibes for you guys xxxxx
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Post by: Janeyk on October 19, 2008, 12:50:21 PM
Just a thought. When do you give Swampy his Fortekor?

I have seen morning recommended on quite a few sites. Clapton has his in the evening. I don't know if there is a better time?

I give my Schui his on a morning - didn't know it was a good thing though, does it say why?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 19, 2008, 14:29:13 PM
Does Swampy have any heart problem?  I know my old vet told me that animals with heart problems are always worse at night.  Glad to hear he has had a little adventure this morning, what a star :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 19, 2008, 15:10:57 PM
Can't help with the meds query, Kate, but am very pleased Swampy had a little paw biff.  ;D  :hug: :hug:  More power to the hooky claw (Paddy thoroughly approves!  :wow:)
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Post by: Mark on October 19, 2008, 15:28:14 PM
does it say why?

I don't think so. Maybe when the body is processing food etc, it is more effective? - no idea really.
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Post by: AliCat on October 19, 2008, 15:39:46 PM
Extra hughs for Swampy!  :Luv:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on October 19, 2008, 15:45:18 PM
Just a thought. When do you give Swampy his Fortekor?

I have seen morning recommended on quite a few sites. Clapton has his in the evening. I don't know if there is a better time?

I have no idea at all about cats but the human metabolic rate is usually higher in the morning than the evening.  Maybe it's something to do with that?
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 19, 2008, 15:46:51 PM
Swampy has fortekor (1/2 dose) at 10 am because he has to have zentonil earlier and I don't give them together. Then he has vivitonin 1/4 tab at around 4 - 4.30pm and his steroids at 7.30pm.
He's curled up with Max in the igloo today so will see how he is when he wakes up soon and has to get to the tray. There are various possibilities for why the mornings (including yes, his own body clock mechanisms) have been better lately than the afternoon or evening and the meds is the first place to start I suppose.

he was so sleepy at lunchtime, so I took him out of the igloo and he sat like a baby on my lap and had his plate of k/d - unbelievably sweet.  :hug: from us.
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Post by: Janeyk on October 19, 2008, 16:10:19 PM
does it say why?

I don't think so. Maybe when the body is processing food etc, it is more effective? - no idea really.

oh, ok thanks
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Post by: Janeyk on October 19, 2008, 16:11:08 PM
Swampy and Max sound as though they are very close  :Luv:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 19, 2008, 17:29:31 PM
All meds have a different time to be effective in the body and presumably at the begiining and end of the cycle there is a drop off of effectiveness.

Lots of snuggles to Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 19, 2008, 19:48:58 PM
he still walked in a straight line and found the tray and water bowl (7.45pm) and has only just had his steroids, so maybe it's just a good day. If the increased dose means life's like this more often, we tend to think that's better than a longer life but with more distressing circling anyhow....one day as it comes as wise Paddy's mum tells me xx  I must keep my notes legible however!
hope everyone has a peaceful night.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 19, 2008, 21:13:33 PM
He is doing so well all things considered.  Hope you all have a restful night  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 19, 2008, 21:16:27 PM
I agree, our Schui has steroids and has renal failure well he's had 1 for other complaints but can have them regularly although not ideal but at his age quality rather than quantity we say.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 19, 2008, 21:23:12 PM
Topping up the evening vbes for Swampy.  Come on lil feller.......  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on October 19, 2008, 21:35:27 PM
Sending several days worth of vibes and  :hug: for you and Swampy.  Also, belated birthday wishes to the gorgeous boy  :Luv: :Luv2:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 19, 2008, 23:09:28 PM
Lots of good sleep and nice day tomorrow vibes to Swampy and you  :hug:
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Post by: Gwen on October 19, 2008, 23:12:40 PM
Hope you all have a peacefull nights sleep and we are also topping up the healing vibes :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 20, 2008, 01:58:43 AM
Topping up the healing vibes for tonight and tomorrow for the gorgeous brave little Swampy  :Luv2:,  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to You and Max for looking after him so well .
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 20, 2008, 05:36:21 AM
Hope you had a good night and all have a worry free day  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 20, 2008, 07:14:22 AM
and from me too  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 20, 2008, 07:15:00 AM
Morning Swampy.  Just slipping by to give you a very gentle tummy rub and to top up those healing cuddles.  You have a good day young man.   :hug: :hug: :hug: xx
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 20, 2008, 09:06:45 AM
Just topping up the healing vibes  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 20, 2008, 09:19:08 AM
More vibes and  :hug: from me and Max too xxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 20, 2008, 09:49:48 AM
little Swampy decided meal time was at 3.30am, 4.30am and 6am and has only now gone to sleep........he found the tray and kitchen by himself but has been mega agitated so am keeping an eye on him, as the 2 previous mega agitated days led to problems. I hope it's just the steroids, although he hasn't done this the previous nights. It's almost fortekor and yet more nosh time now and I will wake him (mum's revenge).
He and Max are now curled up and I just may join them for a bit as it's been quite a morning (loo leaking etc etc etc).
lots of love and purrs to everyone  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on October 20, 2008, 10:32:47 AM
Hugs for Swampy.  :Luv:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 20, 2008, 10:43:19 AM
hugs from me too
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Post by: JackSpratt on October 20, 2008, 11:01:53 AM
Hugs for Swampy AND Kate.....sounds like you need one too. :care:
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Post by: Leanne on October 20, 2008, 11:08:11 AM
More vibes from all of us  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 20, 2008, 20:11:45 PM
Oh boy Kate - quite a night, and a leaky loo into the bargain!  :tired:

Sending a big hug for you  :cuddle: and for Swampy I'm topping up the vibes, and sending soothing ear rubs his way.   :care:
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Post by: Gwen on October 20, 2008, 21:33:32 PM
Ugh dont you just hate it when things go wrong in the house?  I do and they always happen when your skint lol

Anyhow popping in to send even more healing vibes and a big hug to you all(including Max) and hope you get a more peacefull night tonight :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 20, 2008, 21:42:28 PM
Lots of loving thoughts heading your way from Manchester.  Hope you have a good night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 20, 2008, 22:11:02 PM
thanks and hope you all have a good night and an even better tomorrow. Please let the rain stop too - it was dark at 5 here today  :shocked:
Swampy pouched his 1/3rd steroid (I cut a wee bit off a 1/2 to see if he was still ok on a lower dose, as he walked in fairly straight lines today), having hopefully swallowed the whole pill dose first, spat it into his k/d where I spotted it (not in a very good condition as you can imagine) and shoved it back down him. Hope it will be ok, I'd already lost one pill with him making it an unidentifiable gooey pulp. I've tried putting it in nicer tasting food but he still manages to swallow the nice stuff and gob out the steroid. He's been such a sweet love tonight, all purrs. Now fast asleep with Max. He usually wakes up just as I want to try to get a few hours, then settles, then wakes up for real at some horrendous hour. Now that he is blind, he doesn't notice that it's still dark I suppose.

lots of love and big furry purrs from London too  :blow kiss:  :hug: (we need some more hug emoticons) xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 21, 2008, 01:27:21 AM
Hope you both sleep well  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 21, 2008, 07:00:50 AM
Good morning Swampy camp, hope you all had a lovely night's rest and have a wonderful day today
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 21, 2008, 07:16:58 AM
Morning Kate

 :evillaugh:  I sympathise with the meds being spat out.  Paddy's just the same. And no, I haven't found a sneaky way to disguise it although have tried lots.   Hope yu had a restful night, but topping up the healing vibes, and hugs to you both.    :cuddle: :cuddle:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 21, 2008, 09:15:28 AM
Morning, hope you all managed to get some decent sleep last night, and that Swampy will have a good day today as well.

Soooo, we look like me might get some sunshine, I've booked a courier to send some over about 11ish, hope that's OK  :hug: xxxx
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Post by: Gwen on October 21, 2008, 09:21:29 AM
Morning Kate,Swampy and family :hi:

Hope you all had a decent nights sleep and are ready to face another day,its lovely and sunny here and lets hope it will continue :shify:

btw regarding the pill thing,have you tried disguising it in dairylea?  Helen(tiggys mum) swears by it and I am coming round to it myself as it does work,we call them dairylea blob time in this household :evillaugh: :evillaugh:

Hope Swamp has a good day and please lookafter yourself also Kate,its equally as important for you to have some "me" time :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 21, 2008, 10:22:21 AM
Dairylea or Philadelphia always worked with mine too
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Post by: clarenmax on October 21, 2008, 10:29:35 AM
Cream cheese has never worked with Max, he just licks all the cheese off and leaves a gooey tablet on your finger  :doh:

If Swampy likes biscuity treats, the Defurrum treats can work as you can break them in half and pop the tablet into the gooey centre which disguises it quite well, dependent of course on the size of the tablet!
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Post by: Janeyk on October 21, 2008, 10:32:35 AM
coating with butter slid them down well for my sister's Thomas and half a tablet in half a king prawn never failed with our Smokey.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 21, 2008, 10:36:37 AM
Morning! Swampy has had loads of pills during the last few years of his life, so is a maniac at working out what is treat and what is pill - so now we just shove 'em down. Defurrum though - does it need chewing? (don't think that would work). This morning he's been quite bright eyed and bushy tailed (since 5am - better than last night's 3am mind you :Crazy:) and it's certainly true that steroids improve appetite. He's been walking straight and even tried to open the closed lounge door so hopefully he will stay like this all day. The sun has arrived so maybe a little of that to lie in a bit later. He found the tray but put his tush over the edge so (with Max regurging his brekker) I've had the cloths out this am.
time for a  :tea: now that zentonil, fortekor and kaminox (only 1/2 spat out this am!) all done....lots of love to everyone xx
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Post by: Janeyk on October 21, 2008, 10:45:04 AM
glad Swampy had been good  ;D and the steroids do often work wonders our Schui's appetite increased so much about a fortnight after the steriod injection, it's hard to believe he was so low a few months back.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 21, 2008, 10:51:43 AM
He is wonderful and brings a smile to my face with the tales of his little adventures.  I remember when my dog was on a multitude of pills and Dragan too used a doseit box to keep track and a record sheet to track poos etc!  Felt like a nurse some of the time but so what, they were both worth it as I am sure you know.  Keep up the good days Swampy, more good than bad is what we want to hear.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 21, 2008, 19:59:53 PM
Hope the little fella has had a good day today and that you have all been able to relax.  Soothing thoughts coming your way for a peaceful night  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 21, 2008, 19:59:58 PM
Pleased you both slept later and he aounds like he is doing well today  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 21, 2008, 22:54:17 PM
good night from me and from the igloo dwellers! I put my head in there to kiss his tum and it's so cosy and warm in there. Sadly I won't fit!  :hug:  :hug: everyone.
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 21, 2008, 22:55:43 PM
Aww, bless - blow him a kiss instead then  :blow kiss:

:grouphug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 21, 2008, 23:01:04 PM
Have a good sleep Swampy and Max and you  :hug:
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Post by: Gwen on October 21, 2008, 23:02:18 PM
Just topping up the vibes and wishing you all a restfull night :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 22, 2008, 07:03:24 AM
 :hi:  Morning Swampy!  Morning Kate!   Sending early morning hugs and healing vibes for you both.  Hope the igloo's snug this morning 'cos it's a tad chilly!  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 22, 2008, 07:37:46 AM
The igloo sounds a lovely place to snuggle.  Hope you all wake up refreshed and ready for more safe adventures  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 22, 2008, 09:00:48 AM
Good morning, the igloo sounds fab  :Luv:

Hope everyone had a good night, and that darling Swampy has a good day today.

Hope the boys do lots of snuggling today as brrrr its freezing today  :cold:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 22, 2008, 09:23:29 AM
good night from me and from the igloo dwellers! I put my head in there to kiss his tum and it's so cosy and warm in there. Sadly I won't fit!  :hug:  :hug: everyone.

they are lovely and snug our Penny did love her igloo, wish my 2 would use them they prefer the sofa or my lap :sneaky: hope Swampy had a good night  :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on October 22, 2008, 09:31:51 AM
I think the igloo is the place to be this morning.  How's Swampy today?
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on October 22, 2008, 10:07:15 AM
Just sending a ray of sunshine to you both  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on October 22, 2008, 10:21:41 AM
More vibes to you both xxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 22, 2008, 11:20:14 AM
Hi there, I'm waiting to hear from the vet on steroid dose etc. I sent him a long email with a Swamp update. I know the steroids aren't good for him as such, but he's been so improved since sunday on the higher dose - walking in mostly straight lines, finding his tray, food and water and generally happier. And (touch wood) his cold's not flared up too badly on them yet either (which was predicted). This morning he did a wee bit of circling to the left this time, but has combined being a little bit wobblier with being very active. A touch hyper and miaowy but I think it's frustration, not anything else.
The boys definitely stayed in the igloo first up (we had a 6am start but he'd been up and munching J/d dry since about 5) but the sun's out nicely now.
lots of xx and  :hug: 

current 1 1/2 pred is for 2 weeks, then we have to try to lower it to every 2 days if all is going well obviously. I must go and try to calm him as he is miaowing and pacing again today (but did have a purr). Will try to get him back into that igloo where da Max is zzzzzing, sensible lad.xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 22, 2008, 17:51:01 PM
I wonder why the steroids have to be reduced if he is doing so well on them, dont they give him a better quality of life?

Hope that Swampy is all nice and warm cos the nights are drawing in and as soon as the sun goes its cold  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 22, 2008, 18:05:21 PM
the vet says high(er) doses of steroids long term cause problems with organ damage and possibly even diabetes. Also long term use in people can cause mental problems. He explained the potential side effects but I'm tired and didn't take it all in, except the gist which is to try Swampy on a lower dose if things are still like this in 10 days time ie try him with the same dose but every 2 days. The best dose is the lowest effective dose though so I think if he deteriorated, that he would be put back on the current dose. But when the vet heard that Swampy was doing unexpectedly better the last 3 days he said not to let him have dry J/d at night, but just k/d. So I said that he gets k/d all day and it's only at night because I can't leave k/d out all night or it goes hard, he eats it and then gets sick - so J/d is senior food and as long as Swampy can find the water bowl and enjoys it, why not? If he had to be helped to eat, I'd give him wet food k/d but this way I get some rest and he finds and eats and enjoys some nosh at night (4 - 5am at the moment)!
Sadly the heatpad won't fit in the igloo so it's just a hottie and a couple of those vetbed things but it seems warm in there!
xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 22, 2008, 18:24:13 PM
I agree why shouldnt he have some food he likes at night  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 22, 2008, 21:44:48 PM
Happy suppertime wishes for Swampy plus restful night vibes to you all :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 22, 2008, 22:24:33 PM
Have a goodnight Swampy and Max........and you too  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 22, 2008, 23:31:10 PM
Goodnight  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: and healing Vibes for Swampy , glad he is having better days.
Take care and have a restful day and  :hug: :hug: :hug: to Max too.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 23, 2008, 07:05:21 AM
I agree with the philosophy if he likes it and it makes him happy, go with it.   :hug: :hug:  Topping up the healing vibes, and sending a whiskery PPPprrrfffpppt from Paddy.  ;)
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Post by: Janeyk on October 23, 2008, 07:12:20 AM
me too, I regret strict diets (which my first too were given for a time) now poorly oldiies have what they want.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 23, 2008, 08:17:12 AM
I agree that a little of what you fancy does you good.  He has lost much in his world so he should be able to nibble at his favourite food if it makes him happy.  Hope you all had a mega calm night and hope you enjoy your day  :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 23, 2008, 09:23:34 AM
Moornin  :)

Hope you had a restful night, and a good day to follow today  :hug:

How is our favourite little man? xxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 23, 2008, 13:05:41 PM
helloooo, my internet connection crashed last night so my ISP and BT are still looking into it  >:(  neighbour has lent me his wifi password cos I told him I just had to log on to purrs  ;D (I have to do some banking but don't think it's safe on wifi?!).

Swampy was walking around when I got back from the shops, he'd puked up his zentonil on the carpet as he'd helped himself to Max's RC dry - I think they are a bit big, he's better on j/d - and he trotted down the passage and I followed him and my little wonderman has popped himself on to the bed, all by himself! I nearly burst into tears to be honest. Plus he had a good night and didn't wake me - I opened my eyes to find OH cuddling him in the kitchen at 6am,, so I must have been pretty tired. I don't know how long this will last as I'm very aware of the whole rollercoaster and steroids masker thing, but oh it is just great.
lots of purrs and love to everyone for prayers, vibes and other funny PFFFSSSSTTT noises and to all of you a huge  :grouphug:

Mystery: the zentonil was almost intact despite being swallowed at 8am. The Fortekor (there is no obvious sign of it) was munched at 10am. Has it been heave-ho'ed as well? I won't give it again but hope he doesn't whoops up his steroids and vivitonin later. xx
hope I can keep getting online as well!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 23, 2008, 13:47:59 PM
Star man and good on your neighbour, I couldn't get by without my Swampy diary fix.  Glad to hear he is doing so well in his venturing and hope he managed to keep his Fortekor down when he sicked up.  Big head butt to him and to Max for being such a good boy too.  Glad you got some sleep.  Banking should be ok if the Wifi is secure
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Post by: clarenmax on October 23, 2008, 13:49:57 PM
So pleased you guys had a good night  :)  I'm so proud of Swampy as well, he's such a little star  :Luv:

Topping up with some more of these anway, just cos I can  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 23, 2008, 14:22:50 PM
and he trotted down the passage and I followed him and my little wonderman has popped himself on to the bed, all by himself! I nearly burst into tears to be honest. Plus he had a good night and didn't wake me - I opened my eyes to find OH cuddling him in the kitchen at 6am,,

Oh thats sounding very positive, perhaps he is slowly adjusting to his disabilities and with the meds (and all your TLC of course!) he's feeling better generally in himself.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 23, 2008, 14:40:37 PM
Good news on that front yes, but my little man won't eat, which is unusual on the steroids. I'll try again later but the paw came out and went NO, not having that and he's gone back to sleep. Possibly still feeling green from his whoops 2 hours ago and no zentonil.
Yes when the router was offline (it still is) my first thought was 'purrs!!!!' and only then ' how am I going to pay what I owe"?!
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Post by: Mark on October 23, 2008, 14:41:38 PM
Good news  :)  

We did light in Physics today so I spoke to my lecturer about your light issue. I told him you can't have fluorescent re flickering. Amazingly, he said the best thing to use is a plain old-fashioned non energy saving light bulb but it has to be a clear one as the frosted ones block certain wavelengths. He said the clear unfrosted ones give out pretty much the full spectrum. He had just given us a lecture on every kind of light from Gamma to radio waves - he is a Doctor of Physics so hopefully we can take his word for it  :evillaugh:

This would cover the wide arc issue  :)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 23, 2008, 14:50:41 PM
I was going to say brilliant  :wow:. (er, just did). Many thanks Mark for asking your lecturer, that's so kind of you. So I must just place an ordinary, clear light right above where he is sleeping, maybe a 100W one?

I was in Comet today and looked at their little infra red heating panel thing (for aches and pains!), but you have to be about 10cms away from it to get any heat, so that's no good. So does all this mean that the SAD lights are a huge con and we should just buy up old stock of old non energy saving bulbs for our 'bright' rooms then? I must order them in before they're discontinued as the clocks go back on sunday and it will be dark at 4pm again for months (WAIL). I'll have to join Swampy under the light bulb!
thanks  :hug:
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Post by: Mark on October 23, 2008, 14:59:12 PM
The SAD lights are fine for people as no doubt the amount of light is a lot stronger than you would get from a regular bulb - but the SAD light boxes are no better than a SAD lightbulb that costs about £10 because that is all they have in them.

As for the normal light bulb, I was also thinking 100w - just important that it isn't pearl - although you don't seem to see many non pearl ones now. I hope he is right - he said "full spectrum" which should include UV as well as visible light?

It almost sounds too simple to be correct and if it was anyone else telling me I would have taken it with a pinch of salt.
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Post by: Leanne on October 23, 2008, 15:06:37 PM
More vibes from us  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 23, 2008, 17:47:03 PM
So pleaseed Swampy is doing well and this gives him a better quality of life when he can get about by himself.  ;D
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Post by: Kirst on October 23, 2008, 20:08:18 PM
Sending more good vibes for Swampy - so pleased to hear he is getting on better! ;D
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Post by: Janeyk on October 23, 2008, 20:12:39 PM
it is good news he doing well, bless him  :)
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 23, 2008, 20:31:34 PM
Oh Kate - bless Swampy!  :evillaugh:  Am so pleased he's been putting it about a bit.  :hug:  Topping up cuddles.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Baggy on October 23, 2008, 20:50:46 PM
Good for Swampy! Hope he's still trundling round more today and has recovered his appetite.  Also agree that he should be allowed to eat what he likes (except perhaps Max's food  :evillaugh:).
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 23, 2008, 21:22:22 PM
Peaceful night wishes for the Swampy clan :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 23, 2008, 22:01:44 PM
sending goodnight wishes to swampy  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 23, 2008, 22:02:32 PM
still not 100% sure on the internet connection, but just popping in to say a big furry goodnight purr to all of Swampy's good friends, bless you all  :hug:
I've had a lovely evening on the futon with the boys just curled up and holding Swampy's paw while he purrs. Can't think of a finer way to spend an evening. sleep well everyone and keep warm!  :blow kiss: xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 23, 2008, 22:47:52 PM
 :sigh: sounds divine
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 23, 2008, 23:24:03 PM
Heaven  ;D
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 24, 2008, 07:03:07 AM
Morning Swampy!   Hope you and your choclit brown purr have enjoyed a lovely restful night, and sending more healing cuddles to you again this morning.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 24, 2008, 08:25:14 AM
Morning Swampy camp.  Hope you had a lovely night and continue with your good progress and, of course, lots of heavenly purrs.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 24, 2008, 09:37:40 AM
good morning from the Swampcamp! We had a bit of peace and quiet until 6am, with Swampy managing to find the tray (and someone found the food!) overnight and we are now, very sensibly, in the igloo.
lots of purrs and love to everyone. Swampy sends PUUUURRRRRFFFSSSTTTS to Paddy and all his other friends, 2 and 4 legged  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on October 24, 2008, 11:32:34 AM
*hugs* for Swampy, and some for you too.
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Post by: Leanne on October 24, 2008, 12:33:24 PM
Sounds like a happy Swamp at the moment, long may it continue  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 24, 2008, 17:35:09 PM
This is so good  ;D
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 24, 2008, 17:39:46 PM
WTG Swampy
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 24, 2008, 17:42:24 PM
Well done Swampy and Kate  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on October 24, 2008, 18:51:28 PM
Yay!! goooooooooooooooooooooooo Swampy! ;D
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 24, 2008, 20:18:34 PM
Hope you all have a peaceful weekend - wont be able to check on the little fella until Tuesday now. 
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Post by: Janeyk on October 24, 2008, 20:22:59 PM
 ;D good to hear he's doing well
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Post by: ChrisB on October 25, 2008, 14:41:33 PM
Lovely to hear that Swampy is doing well.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 25, 2008, 14:45:55 PM
Hello Swampy!  snuzzles and cuddles to you and to Kate. Hope you're having a wonderful afternoon together.  :)  Topping up the healing vibes.  xxx
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on October 25, 2008, 16:39:37 PM
Glad to hear Swampy's doing well  :)
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on October 25, 2008, 18:25:44 PM
It sounds like the little fella is doing good  ;D  Sending more get well vibes and hugs  :hug:
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on October 25, 2008, 18:33:27 PM
Woo hoo Swampy ... well done big boy  :Luv2:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 26, 2008, 00:48:49 AM
Happy sleep to Swampy tonight  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 26, 2008, 07:39:33 AM
Morning Swampy.  Here's hoping you had a great night's sleep and havea lovely day ahead.   :hug: :hug:  Topping up those healing vibes. 
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 26, 2008, 09:04:41 AM
Hi, I've been up since 5am with little Swamp as he started circling badly again around the chair leg, to the right again like last time, and wobbling over and needing rescue. He did find his water somehow a couple of times but not walking straight. Of course I'd got my hopes up as he's been good for a couple of weeks now. I've now got him to eat and got him into the igloo with a hottie as he was up and off each time I settled him down earlier. I'll just spend today looking after him -  raining and dark here - and hope that he is just having an off one, although the time it happened is such a worry as that is when his steroids are at their maximum so he's supposed to be at his best. Please send him lots of prayers and vibes again and we all send big  :hug:s
Max is upset too, seems to know something's wrong although I've been making a fuss of him too. xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Janeyk on October 26, 2008, 09:17:37 AM
 :hug: poor boy it's such a worry, postitive vibes from us here xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: tab on October 26, 2008, 09:59:44 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
love
Tab
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on October 26, 2008, 10:22:29 AM
Sending loads more positive vibes your way, and topping up the  :hug: :hug: :hug: xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 26, 2008, 16:54:44 PM
Sending lots more healing vibes for Swampy.    Peace, little man.    :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Mark on October 26, 2008, 19:11:54 PM
I hope he has perked up during the day Kate  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gwen on October 26, 2008, 19:45:26 PM
Sending more healing vibes your way,come on Swamp,you can do it :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 26, 2008, 22:25:18 PM
So sorry Swampy is not too good again and sending lots of good wishes to him  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 26, 2008, 22:56:17 PM
We are back where we were before the last 2 weeks. Swampy is quite content, purring, cleaning Max and himself a bit as long as he is on the futon or in his igloo. As soon as he starts to walk around, he becomes stressed and walks in circles to the right. Needing the tray is the most stressful; however tonight he found it easily, but then walked round and round it, bumping into it and becoming distressed and needing rescue. He's not eaten quite as well today either but as he ate well this morning, it's ok. He's slept a lot today too, which I suppose is good. I will have to ring the vet first up tomorrow. I wish the vet had seen him when he was so good as without that, it is hard to compare - but he wasn't going to do a home visit to see a cat doing a lot better.

Does anyone know if cats can develop a tolerance to a dose of steroids, so that they need more to get the same effect? The only thing I can think to do is to increase the dose. It was just a couple of days ago that he made it on to the bed by himself so this sudden deterioration is a shock. More so because this time I don't think he had a brain 'episode' or bleed (but can't be sure, but don't think so). I will have to be up every time he gets up tonight which probably will be quite often as he slept all day!  Night and lots of love and purrs to you all for sending him all the help in the world  :hug:  :hug: xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 26, 2008, 23:16:23 PM
yes i believe that is one of the problems with steroids, i know it definately is with steroids used in humans on skin but would have thought its far too early for swampy to have to have got to this point.

it maybe of course that his condition has worsened and just needs a bigger dose. seem to recall that you said that the oral dose was not as big as the injected dose but dont know if its possible orally to have the same size dose.

afraid only a vet can answer this i think cos i am only speculating.

i hope that the vet will say that swampy can have bigger dose cos its his quality of life that matters more than long term effects i think.

my very bestest wishes to you, max and swampy  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on October 27, 2008, 03:24:22 AM
Big kisses and  :hug: :hug: :hug: for Swampy and loads of healing vibes from us all .
Take care and hope he improves again this week .
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Janeyk on October 27, 2008, 07:21:28 AM
All I can say is when Schui used to have steroid injections for his gum problems to boost him it always took at least 2 weeks then he improved no end, his appetite, inflammation and health in general.  it got to the point where it seemed he had a build up and was very well for longer periods of time.  Then he had his teeth out so it wasn't needed.  His nasal problems however recently got worse and he was diagnosed with CRF and has been given a steroid injection and again nothing for 2 wks but since then he very much improved although he does still have off days occasionally.  So I can't say he has needed higher doses if anything less in my experience although our vet has said in the past that there are different doses so maybe Swampy does need a higher dose as they usually give them a lower dose so they can up it.  Best of luck x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 27, 2008, 08:52:24 AM
My vet is away again until wednesday this week but the locum is going to call me. I suggested to the nurse having a visit and upping cortisone and at least trying to make Swampy comfortable until wednesday.
He was very bad in the night, up all night and circling. He's not eaten as well either. He found the tray once and the water once, but not again and also couldn't get back. He goes round and round faster and faster, sometimes he sits down to recover, then it starts again and I rescue him. The vet had told me to let him circle a bit as it helps his dizziness, but it's so so hard as I know you understand.
The sun's out and I'm hoping that at least he can have a little snooze today in the warmth. When I rescue him from circling, he purrs with relief and still loves being cuddled and kissed. Oh, he has just found his way back to the igloo! He is fighting so hard that I must let him have cortisone - who cares if it's a high dose if it gives him even a day or two of relief.
xx everyone
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Kirst on October 27, 2008, 08:54:08 AM
Sending LOADS more positive vibes and goos wishes for Swampy an all hid family today. Lets hope its a better one. :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Janeyk on October 27, 2008, 09:02:49 AM
My vet is away again until wednesday this week but the locum is going to call me. I suggested to the nurse having a visit and upping cortisone and at least trying to make Swampy comfortable until wednesday.
He was very bad in the night, up all night and circling. He's not eaten as well either. He found the tray once and the water once, but not again and also couldn't get back. He goes round and round faster and faster, sometimes he sits down to recover, then it starts again and I rescue him. The vet had told me to let him circle a bit as it helps his dizziness, but it's so so hard as I know you understand.
The sun's out and I'm hoping that at least he can have a little snooze today in the warmth. When I rescue him from circling, he purrs with relief and still loves being cuddled and kissed. Oh, he has just found his way back to the igloo! He is fighting so hard that I must let him have cortisone - who cares if it's a high dose if it gives him even a day or two of relief.
xx everyone

I agree, our vet said it's better not to give Schui steroid if can help it with kidney probs but we agreed better quality of life than quantity at his age.  I can see where the vets coming from re letting him circle that must be like a natural reaction to help him and his purring when you help him is probably that comfort too, it must be hard for you xx  :hug: hope he has a better day today
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 27, 2008, 10:04:46 AM
The locum vet is coming around later this morning to give Swampy a dexamethasone injection. It's an anti inflammatory to help with any swelling in the brain. He said it's a bit risky but with symptoms like Swampy has, he feels it is a better try than increasing the tablet dose as doesn't feel that will help. The injection lasts just a few days apparently. I asked if he should have an antibiotic again too, to help with his cold as all the immuno suppressants may kick in a terrible cold, which negates any possible positives.
Swampy's at last gone to sleep in his igloo.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on October 27, 2008, 10:35:18 AM
More vibes for you all  :hug: :hug: :hug:

I hope todays injection works
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: clarenmax on October 27, 2008, 11:27:33 AM
Hope the injection today helps, and topping up with some more vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: from Sunny Surrey too  :)
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 27, 2008, 12:32:16 PM
Sending another :grouphug: for you both, hope the injection helps him.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: MrsR on October 27, 2008, 12:58:28 PM
Sending good vibes for your injection sweetie
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Janeyk on October 27, 2008, 13:05:21 PM
everything crossed the little fella is helped by his new treatment xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 27, 2008, 14:15:03 PM
Hope it goes well  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 27, 2008, 19:17:15 PM
Kate, sending shedloads of good vibes through for Swampy and you, and hoping you have a good evening.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 27, 2008, 19:37:19 PM
He seems weak when he walks now. He had a reasonable meal, but I had to help him to the tray afterwards. I can tell when he wants it (even if he doesn't always realise the first time) as he gets so agitated.
He then clearly wanted the igloo but needed some help to find it. The injection takes 12 hours or so to work so if there is any improvement it should be by the morning. However the vet said no steroids until the morning, which may or may not help. He still has a good purr for me and his dad though, even though he is a bit agitated and hasn't slept much.

OH and I were talking about him and how he's got not a bone of meanness or jealousy in his body and is the gentlest, most loving boy we've ever known all our lives. When he had his freedom, all the other cats loved him - even the grumpy old girl across the way who wouldn't normally let any other cats into her garden - and he made lots of cat friends. And whatever's happened to him, he's always had a purr 30 seconds later. I feel immensely honoured to be Swampy's mum.
We send lots and lots of love and burmese purrs to everyone tonight and keep sending your prayers and vibes please as Swamps needs them now.  :hug: xx  :hug: xx
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Post by: Baggy on October 27, 2008, 19:51:33 PM
Purrs, headbutts and paws and fingers crossed for Swampy here  :hug: xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on October 27, 2008, 20:10:55 PM
Sending loads of cuddles and scritches for the lovely Swampy.  I hope he has a good night tonight.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Janeyk on October 27, 2008, 20:56:32 PM
 :hug: hoping Swampy is much better by the morning
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 27, 2008, 22:36:54 PM
I feel so sad that he is like this and do hope the injection helps him. Lots of love to the bravest little cat Swampy, tonight  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 27, 2008, 23:28:01 PM
the dexamethasone's given him some fairly unpleasant side effects so far, in that he's weaker and fairly manic. I'm really wondering if it would have been the drug of choice for my usual vet - I think he'd have used the steroid he used last time, or increased the dose of the pred pills to see if that helped first. I googled and this dexa one seems to be for shock and was probably the one he was given first up after his accident (I remember being told short acting, very strong type of steroid). This one lasts 2 - 2 1/2 days in the blood. I also have to give him pred tomorrow morning, which makes me nervous too on top of this. It is just so hard when the vet you trust isn't there. The locum was very young and didn't know that Swampy is blind or had had seizures so wasn't working from his full notes. I hope I haven't made Swampy worse. We have to try to hang on until wednesday.
Sorry again to go on and thanks for being there for Swampy and me  :hug:

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 27, 2008, 23:39:53 PM
Very very hard and all my thoughts with you and Swampy tonight  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Mark on October 28, 2008, 00:24:50 AM
Wishing you all the best  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Stuart on October 28, 2008, 01:41:03 AM
give swampy a cuddle from me :Luv:

thinking of you both  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on October 28, 2008, 02:26:32 AM
lots of healing vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: from us all in Lincoln sending straight to Swampy .
Take care and look after each other.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 28, 2008, 07:03:59 AM
Kate, I hope Swampy has settled a little overnight, because we know this is a very testing time for you.  The uncertainty of knowing whether the vet you normally see with Swampy would have done the same or different is always a worry.  He's an amazingly beautiful and brave cat, and am topping up the healing vibes for you both this morning.   :care: :care: 
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Janeyk on October 28, 2008, 07:07:06 AM
 :hug: wishing Swampy a better day today xx (PS can'tyou ring the vets and tell them how he's been and that you're concerned)
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 28, 2008, 08:12:01 AM
I'm texting my usual vet, but don't know if he will reply. Swampy is worse this morning, circling all the time that he isn't sitting or lying down. He seemed tired overnight, resting but not sleeping. He ate well at 1 and 5, then I thought he hadn't been to the tray so I took him. He stood in it the first time and purred. The second time he went in and squatted, then stood up, confused. The third time he did wee. Since then he's cried, I've put him in the tray and he's poo'd and then I took him to the water and finally he drank something. Then took him back to the futon where I plan to keep him, with tray visits every few hours.
The locum asked me yesterday 2 things which are replaying in my head "how is his vision?" and "has he ever had any seizures?". I should not have been too polite to say 'haven't you read his notes?!'. He had read what my usual vet had given him last time the circling was bad, and clearly had a different approach as I've said.

I think it is my vet's responsibility as he hired this locum to cover for him so I hope he will reply and advise me - I need to maybe give Swampy his pred steroids this morning to help him, but no idea what to do.
I don't want to speak to the same locum - I'm just off him and find him too young, hair gel type (sorry I am tired, but that is how I feel). I don't have confidence in him. I almost feel like keeping texting until he does call me as this is urgent.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 28, 2008, 08:26:59 AM
Kate, if you're concerned, then I say text your usual vet. Swampy has very specific problems to deal with, and for the locum vet not to have read his notes won't have been at all reassuring to you.   Put your mind at ease by taking whatever steps you feel the need to.   :hug:  If for any reason you have to resort to the locum, then make it quite clear what your concerns are, and ask him to talk through the treatment he gave and his reasoning for it.  The two may not be directly connected, but unless you can talk it through, you'll be anxious and upset and that will communicate itself to Swampy, bless him.

Let us know how you get on.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 28, 2008, 10:16:30 AM
no reply, no call either from the locum. I emailed (on the young nurse's suggestion), expressing my wish to hear from the main vet and said why to be honest. So I suppose noses or egos are out of joint.
I may get a call after surgery at 11.30. I think I'd better not just give him the usual dose of pred in case it tips him over the edge. I'm really upset - how often is an animal this ill or dying and what does it cost to pick up a phone for 2 mins?

I've banished Max to the sun spot in the bedroom as this morning he was staring at Swampy and then a short while ago he bit him a few times - not that hard, could have been playing but I think pent-up aggression is more likely as he is a very jealous cat and Swampy's had a lot of attention overnight and this morning. Swamp got a big fright and gave a little yelp, poor wee boy.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 28, 2008, 10:36:31 AM
well, the male ego can be a fragile thing, but it's unprofessional for no-one to get back to you.  Giving them the benefit of the doubt, morning may be a particularly busy time for them, but I would say if they haven't got back to you by 2 p.m., then it's fine to be making a bit of a fuss!

I suspect Max may be a little spooked by Swampy's behaviour.  It sounds like he's trying to get his old brother back.  :hug:

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 28, 2008, 10:57:45 AM
The vet rang me just now - the usual one. He says to try some more pred from either tonight or tomorrow morning and that pred can cause them to pick up for a couple of weeks and then deteriorate. Swampy should get calmer by tomorrow. However he thinks that we are probably very close to the end now. If there is no improvement by thursday, we will have to decide then. He thinks Max bit Swamp because he sensed weakness. The vet said that he doesn't think Swampy is suffering but is confused, but that his quality of life is what we must think about.
I took Swampy into the sun in the bedroom and at last and at least he is calm. I'm going to sit with him. I can't help it if Max gets upset if I am upset, Max will be ok.
 :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Gwen on October 28, 2008, 11:04:02 AM
just to let you know we are thinking about you alldaily Kate :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on October 28, 2008, 12:03:54 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

To you and Swampster.

 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 28, 2008, 12:09:13 PM
Thinking of you Kate and Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Christine (Blip) on October 28, 2008, 12:17:07 PM
My thoughts are with you too.  :hug:
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on October 28, 2008, 12:27:25 PM
:grouphug:
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Post by: ChrisB on October 28, 2008, 13:06:02 PM
Kate, thinking of you and Swampy.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 28, 2008, 13:06:51 PM
 :hug:

Thinking of You and Swampy x
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Post by: clarenmax on October 28, 2008, 13:09:55 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on October 28, 2008, 15:13:22 PM
My first opportunity to check in on our little friend and I am so very sad to read the posts from you Kate.  I do so hope you have, by now, managed to speak  to or had some contact with your usual vet.  I too hope that Swampy has settled and you do not have to make that awful decision on Thursday.  You don't know what tomorrow might bring for the little fella.  Come on Swamps you have so many people sending you love and get well wishes, We love you Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: sazkat2 on October 28, 2008, 15:33:55 PM
Thinking of you and Swampy xxxxx  :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on October 28, 2008, 15:57:24 PM
 :hug: to you all
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 28, 2008, 17:27:11 PM
The vet was very gloomy and I suppose with good reason but I refuse to lose all hope. This evening so far is more like Sunday than yesterday ie gets out of igloo and sits down on the floor, confused and purring.
Pick him up, he's calmer and enjoys that. Put him in kitchen and he circles around to the right so I guide him to the tray to wee. Then circles around for 5 minutes, eventually using the shut lounge door to locate the water bowl. When he's finished though, becomes upset as can't find his way back to the igloo. I guide him back with his little body pulling to the right. Into the igloo and finds Max and starts cleaning his ears.
I will just see how he is later, overnight and most importantly tomorrow.

Vet bounced a meds decision at me though -the jab he was given is a mega powerful steroid. He says that I can decide whether to give Swampy his usual 1 1/2 dose of pred tonight or wait until the morning. I've no idea. Thanks to you all for your loving messages, I will pass them on via littly's head. I hope he stays less manic as I feel then that he is happier, albeit still very confused. xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 28, 2008, 17:43:47 PM
Poor Swamps, will be thinking of you all and sending all the positive energy I can to you  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 28, 2008, 18:00:12 PM
I read all, of this with great sadness and hope that Swampy will become stable again for a short while even. I can see that you know the situation and that this is the hardest thing in the world for you. Swampy knows how much you care and have always cared and he knows you have never let him down.

All my love and bestest wishes to Swampy, you and Max  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Baggy on October 28, 2008, 19:52:50 PM
 :hug: I too hope that Swampy stays calmer. It's such a difficult time, my heart goes out to you both.
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Post by: Janeyk on October 28, 2008, 20:15:31 PM
 :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 28, 2008, 21:22:57 PM
Nothing I can say really Kate, so just sending you a :hug:
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Post by: blackcat on October 28, 2008, 21:24:59 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Mark on October 28, 2008, 21:29:04 PM
Sorry Kate - I know as always you will do what's best for your little man  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 28, 2008, 21:29:32 PM
Special good night wishes for a brave boy.  Hope Swampy has a calm and peaceful night and a good tomorrow  :hug:
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Post by: Stuart on October 28, 2008, 21:38:45 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 28, 2008, 21:51:05 PM
He is calmer tonight thank goodness. His agitation and circling when he needs help to find the tray is a bit more predictable. I decided to hold off on the steroids until the morning which I hope is the right decision.
Hope all of you have a peaceful night, wrapped up warm with your little ones. Thanks again to everyone for the much needed support, we are overwhelmed with everyone's help and caring for Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on October 29, 2008, 00:04:30 AM
hugs for swampy!
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Post by: bunglycat on October 29, 2008, 03:09:52 AM
 :grouphug: :hug: :hug: :hug: for the Swampy boy and loads of healing vibes sending your way.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 29, 2008, 06:57:37 AM
Hey there, precious boy - good morning Swampy.   :hug: :hug:  Hope you've had a good night's rest.  Topping up the positive vibes for you both.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 29, 2008, 07:18:20 AM
Good morning from frosty Manchester.  Hope you all had a restful night and Swampy is improved today  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 29, 2008, 07:31:51 AM
 :hug: is dear Swampy today?
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 29, 2008, 08:10:45 AM
I hope he does have a better day today and it might be worth reviewing your diary to weigh up his good and bad times so your chat with the vet tomorrow can be based on that rather than just how he is at that particular time
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 29, 2008, 08:50:53 AM
Sound advice, Desley.
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Post by: Leanne on October 29, 2008, 09:00:57 AM
I don't know what else to say other than more vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: from us.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 29, 2008, 09:55:11 AM
I've looked at the diary and there doesn't seem to be a pattern at present, unlike before. I am waiting to see if there is any change once that dexa jab wears off (by tonight I think). He was calm until 2am but since then has not been able to sleep. Mostly I have to help him find things too. I gave him his steroids at 6 this morning. Don't know if that means he may be hyper again this evening. He's not hyper now, but just not able to sleep. He sits and rests on the futon or in his igloo. I hope that will change later on as I am sure he is mighty tired. Max is not curling up with him much now - some of that is that he wants the other room with better sun, some is jealousy, but some is also I think he senses Swampy's not himself. Will see how things go today before emailing the vet an update later.
lots of love from us all xx  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Baggy on October 29, 2008, 13:03:00 PM
He sits and rests on the futon or in his igloo. I hope that will change later on as I am sure he is mighty tired.
The Proot behaved in a similar way when he was having a large dose of Prednisoline - and I've had steroids in the past which had the same effect on me, was exhausted and could rest but not sleep.  Hoep he gets some snoozes soon.
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Post by: Janeyk on October 29, 2008, 13:10:55 PM
the sleeping thing is a point, my Schui sleeps much less since he had the steroid injection and he's a cat who can sleep 24/7, my dad is the same when he's steroids too.
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Post by: sheryl on October 29, 2008, 13:22:08 PM
Thinking of you and Swampy Kate - take care of yourself Hun, you sound exhausted xxx  :hug:  :hug:

Still sending love, huggles and positive vibes for the gorgeous Swamoy xxx
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Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on October 29, 2008, 13:27:17 PM
Sending  :hug: and prayers to you and Swampy and hoping you can both get some rest today. Thinking of you both.

 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 29, 2008, 13:59:57 PM
Thinking of you both and sending love xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 29, 2008, 15:40:20 PM
at last he's gone to sleep as managed to get Max and him into the igloo and Max has stayed. (keeping the heating off right now so it's warmest for him with Swampy!). Of course it's meds time but I am just going to wait until he wakes up for the vivitonin.

on a horrible topic, OH works and has asked that we know what to do when the time comes and how best it is organised, so nothing goes wrong and he can take off work and we can go ourselves. Does anyone know anything about either Silvermere in Cobham, Surrey or CPC in Cambridge please? They both are open only monday to friday and what is a bit distressing, if understandable, you have to get there before 11am so the final vet visit has to be the evening before.  I can't bear to think about this, but it has to be done.

On a happier note, it is lovely to hear snoring xx to all  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on October 29, 2008, 15:49:51 PM
didn't Philip arrange a cremation for Tiffy recently I am sure he'd be happy to discuss if you pm him - sorry you are having to think like this  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 29, 2008, 16:05:35 PM
Do any of these places have a website cos that nmay give you info  :hug: :hug: :hug:

I am pleased that Swampy and Max are together and I just love cats snoring, for me the most best sound in the world  ;D
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 29, 2008, 16:36:03 PM
they both have a website which I've checked. They do all veterinary waste as well. There's another company Dignity who prey on my worst fears when they say that they only do pets, not vet waste. I may be fussing for no good reason. The vet (what is it with medical people?!) said we must think now as when the time comes, it could be difficult with London having so many pets and my OH not getting off work easily, then he said he recommended CPC as "they do all our waste". He's so kind but what a crass thing to say! I told the nurse and she said oh dear and btw they don't, it's Silvermere, so he delegates it all to the nurses as I suppose most vets do. They've not had problems with either company, so it's our decision. I just wondered if anyone else had used either company. OH rang Silvermere and said they sounded ok, but how to know. I just couldn't bear it if anything went wrong and I do find Murphy's Law works a lot of the time.

The boys started grooming so I popped the pill down before they nodded off again. I'll feed him when he wakes up though as it's just lovely to see him zzzzing, he's been so jumpy all day.  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 29, 2008, 16:53:52 PM
I believe Philip and dont know where he is, did a lot of research on this and what you need to ask them I think, is do they do single cremations cos thats what you are looking for I think.

I think Gillian may know something about this too, it may be an idea to pm both or even start a new thread so those who havent been posting on this one will see it.

I am sure there must be somewhere around the outskirts of London.

I think Helen is another one who may be able to help cos of Tiggy but she is not in London but they maybe able to give you some leads.

 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Mark on October 29, 2008, 16:59:16 PM
I only know of the one in Kent that has a very good reputation. I know they collect from the vet next door to me and I have seen them put things in the van. It is done properly and they are placed gently into the van.

http://www.petcrem.com/about.asp

Juie (Pinkbear) has heard good reports.

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Post by: Janeyk on October 29, 2008, 17:18:15 PM
ah, bless that sleeping Swampy with his brother Max :Luv2:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 29, 2008, 18:14:12 PM
thanks Mark. We're going to have to call them all and get definite answers to what's most important, the individual aspect and the ability to wait and come home. It's such a horrible subject, makes me feel sick.

That dexa injection seems to be wearing off, touch wood. They were cleaning each other and have gone to sleep all curled up together on the futon, Swampy with his chin on Max's ample tum, which is so wonderful. Swampy has eaten and I've helped him to the water and tray so although he's circling still with no change, at least he is less manic at the moment.
xx



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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 29, 2008, 19:48:34 PM
Usually your vet practice arranges everything with the crematorium - well certainly they do round here. Our practice use a fairly local pet crematorium in Bristol. The vet usually asks what you want i.e individual cremation and how you want the remains returned i.e. wooden casket, which is what I usually have, with the name of the animal on a brass plaque - then the vet deals with everything from then on and I collect the ashes from them when they are returned. http://www.companionshaven.co.uk/contact.php - they are a family concern they always send a lovely handwritten card with the casket.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 29, 2008, 19:56:52 PM
Dear Swampy and Kate I am sending you loving thoughts and hugs for a peaceful and content night.  Hope Swampy has lovely snuggles with Max  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 29, 2008, 19:57:26 PM
That sounds exactly like the procedure with our vets Gillian even down to the casket - apart from the card.
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Post by: Liz on October 29, 2008, 20:06:07 PM
Same as our Pets crematorium, ours arrange for you to go and pick up the ashes and there is a Memory book for you to sign, I re read gracies entry when I made Gems and it was bitter sweet but my tortie girls are at the bridge together.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 29, 2008, 21:05:10 PM
When we had our dog PTS the vets arranged everything. He was sent off for a single cremation and then we collected his ashes from the vet a week later. He came back in a lovely wooden box with a card and a certificate to say it was his ashes only
Do you want to take Swampy there yourself and wait kate ? (this is so hard to talk about  :hug:)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 29, 2008, 21:11:26 PM
When it is his time, we want to take him ourselves rather than have him collected by strangers or even as part of a weekly 'waste' collection. I couldn't do that. I must be sure in my mind that all is done properly and with dignity.
I hope that we can still have plenty time together, but I want to be sure of what to do when it happens as otherwise things could be done in a rush.

Swampy woke up a short while ago and purred all the way through doing a new paw impression for his photo frame (bless you and thank you again Tan xx). As he's weak and arthritic, the imprints aren't very deep or clear but they are still just wonderful to have.  He's calm at the moment, so I hope that he has a better night. Happy purrs everyone  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 29, 2008, 21:29:40 PM
wishing Swampy a peaceful night xx
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Post by: Stuart on October 29, 2008, 21:32:16 PM
My Thoughts are with You and little Swampy  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 29, 2008, 22:16:02 PM
As you probably know, I do almost full time voluntary work with Manchester Dogs Home.  At their crem they do things as the owner wishes.  Whatever you want, within reason and health and safety guidelines, they will arrange.  This is a terrible subject to have to discuss but I hope you can find a place that will cater to your wishes for dignity. 
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 29, 2008, 22:17:09 PM
lots of goodnight cuddles to swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 29, 2008, 22:18:13 PM
Night Swampy xx

Night Kate, Your speaking/seeing your vet tomorrow arnt you ?
Hope all goes well xxx
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Post by: Mark on October 29, 2008, 23:08:03 PM
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Swampy woke up a short while ago and purred all the way through doing a new paw impression for his photo fram

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 :Luv: He sounds such a lovely boy - I hope he has a purry, restful night - and you  :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on October 29, 2008, 23:14:49 PM
Sending lots of vibes for the lovely Swampy and hope he has a restful night  :hug: :Luv:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 30, 2008, 07:49:35 AM
Kate, am sending a big hug for you and Swampy today.  I'm so pleased he purred his way through the paw print impression.  He's such a wonderful brown boy.

 :care: :care:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 30, 2008, 08:25:45 AM
Ditto from me.  Hugs to you Swampy Max and your partner  :hug:
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Post by: JackSpratt on October 30, 2008, 08:39:11 AM
Top up hugs for you all:  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on October 30, 2008, 08:56:03 AM
Hope you had a restful night, and that Swampy managed to get some rest as well.

Topping up with the  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: again today xxxx
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Post by: Leanne on October 30, 2008, 09:18:01 AM
More hugs and vibes to you all  :hug: :hug: :hug:

(On the other subject my friend received a lovely, dignified service from the crem she used. I will ask her which one as I can't remember but its her birthday today and I'm a bit reluctant to ask her today but I will find out for you, I believe they might be hertfordshire way as my friend lives in east London.)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 30, 2008, 10:50:13 AM
thanks everyone, please if you don't mind keep the prayers and vibes coming as my little one has been very poorly since 5am. That wretched circling and dizziness causing him distress. He is in the igloo now with Max after a cuddle. He's weaker today, he enjoyed going up the stairs but had a lot of trouble coming down so I helped him down. I'm so grateful that the sun's out as I held him for a few minutes in the sunshine and got richly rewarded with that lovely purr. I left a message for the vet, who apparently has a very busy day. I need to know if we can keep Swampy going over the weekend with steroids or any other anti vestibular stuff as I think that my husband would like to spend the weekend with him, as long as of course he is no worse or suffering. I'm hoping and praying that the steroids I gave him at 6am will give Swampy a boost a bit later as he was ok at 3am, finding (despite circling) some food and water. So the decision we have taken at the moment (things change so quickly though sometimes) is if the normal vet is on duty monday, which I think he is, we will try to wait for then with palliative care. xx :hug:  :hug:


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Post by: sheryl on October 30, 2008, 11:05:44 AM
Still sending love, huggles and heaps of positive vibes - your devotion to Swampy should be an inspiration to us all  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 30, 2008, 11:17:35 AM
Come on Swampy darling boy I know you must be exhausted with all the fighting you have to do but take 5 and rest up as much as you need.  We are all very worried about you and sending ALL our love and thoughts for your brain to be peaceful and non agitated.  Your mummy is doing everything she can to help you and we all love you so much.
 :hug:Swampy :hug:
 :hug:Kate :hug:
 :hug:Max :hug:
 :hug:OH :hug:

Hope you can speak to your vet and get some help
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Post by: ChrisB on October 30, 2008, 11:25:21 AM
Lots of prayers and love to you and darling Swampy.
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Post by: sazkat2 on October 30, 2008, 11:43:53 AM
Sending loads of love and hugs to you all, come on Swampy xx  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 30, 2008, 11:48:34 AM
Oh Kate this isnt the news we want to hear  :hug:
Hope Swampy gets some sleep today bless him x
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Post by: Gwen on October 30, 2008, 12:25:26 PM
Still thinking of you all and big  :hug: to everyone :hug:
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Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on October 30, 2008, 14:28:56 PM
Sending more  :hug: and love to you all and special vibes for Swampy.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 30, 2008, 15:24:36 PM
I'm off to get him some Sea Legs tablets (only ones in London by the look of it) for motion sickness as I googled vestibular syndrome and in America they use it (12.5mgs meclizine or Antivert) for cats and dogs - it may not work, it may make him worse, it's a human med and it's entirely at our own risk - but we feel it is worth a try. The vet was googling it just while I was, so is none the wiser as well but says try - Swampy's main problem is giddiness and stumbling. He fell over going to the tray. Please please hope that it helps a bit and doesn't have any side effects. Has anyone else used this before with their cat? I'm so nervous, but think we have to try.  xx
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Post by: Leanne on October 30, 2008, 16:17:26 PM
I have no idea I'm afraid if our vet was in work today though I'd happily ask him for you but his not!!

But you have to try if you think it might help  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 30, 2008, 16:28:28 PM
this is it. seems to be a risk if have high bp or prone to seizures, but not sure there is much else we can do. I've just given it to him with some k/d and he's back in his igloo with the Max.
http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/meclizine-bonine-antivert/page1.aspx

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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 30, 2008, 16:31:37 PM
Fingers crossed
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 30, 2008, 17:27:14 PM
Personally I wouldnt do this  :(

I hope that you are able to make the right decision for Swampy  cos my heart goes out to him and also to you for all the love and kindness you give him  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 30, 2008, 19:14:11 PM
The vet rang. He said to try the pills for 2 -3 days at night as if they have any side effects, it could be sleepiness. So far it's 3 hours on and Swampy's circling is still the same. He was right next to the tray, very stressed and circling so fast as needed to poo but couldn't get into it somehow. I had to help. But then he's purring and loving being fussed on the bed or cuddled in my arms.


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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on October 30, 2008, 19:37:19 PM
 :( oh poor swampy ... I hope the pills do work for you's and Swampy's sake. 

Kate please don't hate me for saying this but if there is no improvement after the 2 - 3 days do you think it could be time to consider the other alternative and showing Swampy the final act of kindness?

I'm sorry for asking this question I have umm and ahhed about posting it and I really hope you don't think me insensitive or uncaring because I'm neither of these things  :hug:

I am hoping and praying that the pills do help your boy xxxxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 30, 2008, 20:11:23 PM
Dropping in to wish Swampy the best of nights  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 30, 2008, 20:13:10 PM
I really hope it helps too or it has to be the kindest thing hun :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 30, 2008, 20:15:50 PM
No, don't worry, we think about it all the time.  The awful thing is though that Swampy might or could possibly go on like this for quite some time (we only know there are lesions which make him circle and unsteady all the time) and I am able to give him 24/7 'hospice' type care at home - I go out for about 1/2 hour a day when I know he's peed and that he is asleep. The vet preyed on my doubts and fears when he said that I must factor how much I can cope with into the equation as I told him no, I am adamant that the decision must only be based on Swampy's suffering. The thing is though that neuro stuff is so imprecise, it's not like CRF or cancer, or not necessarily so. So this morning I was 100% sure as he was miserable, confused, circling, dizzy and miaowing, weak and clearly suffering for many hours during the night and all morning until he went to sleep. Not so right now - the steroids are at their peak now. The vet says that he thinks Swampy's stress is probably contained to those moments and that cats can tolerate more than people (moot point?). So doubt is still there, although I do accept that his life, even in his best moments, is very limited indeed and not at all easy. He is entirely dependent. I think his being deaf and blind frightens him. I can reassure him but only Max can calm him and nothing can when he's at his worst.

I could not live with myself if I thought that I had had him pts because I had reached the end of my ability to cope. But nor do I want to keep him struggling on because I want to hang on to him for as long as possible. Sorry to go on, hope that you understand. Swampy is terminally ill as it is mega unlikely after all this time that there can be any substantial improvement, but as he has someone to help him, he has managed so far. If I were working full time, the decision would have had to be taken earlier.
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on October 30, 2008, 20:42:06 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 30, 2008, 20:50:17 PM
Kate only you can know what is right for Swampy.  When the time comes you will be sure.  :hug:
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 30, 2008, 21:22:30 PM
I too wouldnt have tried the tablets, and I think your vet is only partly right - it isn't just about how long you can care for him, but how much Swampy can take when he isn't going to get any better, and you dont want to give him as long as you can and something happen before you felt he was ready. I think you and your husband really need a long chat this weekend
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Post by: Kirst on October 30, 2008, 21:41:41 PM
Sending lots of prayers for Swampy , and even more for you. You have a heartbreaking desicion to make - and I know whatever you decide it will only be with Swampys best interests xxx :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 30, 2008, 22:36:53 PM
Love, hugs and positive vibes for you and Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 30, 2008, 22:52:09 PM
Kate hunny i know there are so many things going round in your head, you and hubby must be so confused about where to go from here but maybe asking your vet what he would do if Swampy was his would help (this is what i do) because he seems to indicate that the time has come but then doesn't actually follow it up with saying its time, which in itself is confusing
you are the most amazing Mummy who has moved hell and earth to make him better and try and keep him comfortable but as you have said his life isnt uncomfortable anymore, which sadly even after all you are doing for him, seems is not going to get any better.
Thinking of you and sending you much love xxx


Give Swampy a big kiss from Me....if theres any room left after all the kisses he has to have from everyone every night lol
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Post by: Janeyk on October 30, 2008, 23:00:26 PM
I do that too, always ask my vet what she would do if it was her pet but I have to agree with Desley on this one it's not a matter of being there to care for him it's what Swampy is going through  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 30, 2008, 23:08:30 PM
I know you love Swampy so much but I just feel his little head is so confused now and his quality of life nearly gone with no chance to get better. Love is a painful thing but maybe you and your Oh have to really consider Swampys quality of life this weekend and make the kindest decision for your little man.

This is the hardest thing to do but is an act of kindness and like Michelle, I would ask your normal vet what he would do if Swampy was his cat.

We are all suffering with you and Swampy and the most wonderful thing in the world would be for him to get better but sadly I think you know that cant happen, even with all the love and care that you are giving him.

I feel your pain  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Have a good rest tonight Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on October 30, 2008, 23:13:22 PM
Sending lots of vibes for a restful night for you both tonight  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 31, 2008, 03:10:00 AM
Lots of healing vibes and big gentle kisses for the little boy from us all in Lincoln , and  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to all of you.
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 31, 2008, 07:51:51 AM
I also agree with asking the vet, I do that with my vet - she didn't like it at first, but she does now. I do hope you can have a good weekend, and it is kinder to let them go while they still have some dignity than wait and risk something major happen that could make him a lot worse.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 31, 2008, 08:56:45 AM
I usually ask my vet too.  Whatever happens Kate I hope that Swampy has a wonderful weekend with you all.  Hope it's full of sunshine and purrs.
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Post by: Leanne on October 31, 2008, 09:09:49 AM
Kate I understand your post completely, you feel you need to try and do everything for Swampy.

 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

I hope the sun shines for the little man today
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 31, 2008, 09:25:29 AM
thanks everyone  :hug: Swampy was awake all night - turns out I should have been giving him his vivitonin in the early mornings, but started giving it when the vet popped round with it, mid afternoon, and kept doing that. It's apparently too dangerous to give it  twice in 24 hours so it would have meant missing a day. So excuse me if I am very tired.

I have asked the vet more than once. He says that if it was his cat, the decision to pts would have been taken earlier for personal reasons as he cannot devote this kind of time and nursing to his own animal. I asked him when Swampy came out of hospital and he said def no, then. Then when he visited he said you could, or you could nurse 24/7 and see how YOU cope. What he said yesterday was again that he is not sure, that we will be sure and he will back our decision if it's now or if it's in a short while - he does not think Swampy has very long, that's all, as is on a high dose of steroids etc.

I have taken the pts decision twice before, with CRF cats and it was traumatic but the decision took itself. I remember holding my 17 year old Louis in my arms and he looked at me and I knew and asked the vet to come. CRF and cancer type illness, as the vet says, progressively deteriorate to a point where you are sure and the suffering is 100% of the time and it would be totally unkind and selfish to prolong life. The absolute b*stard about neurological illness, especially where there is no MRI scan, is to know what is going on and if there is any chance of stabilising or even improving. The vet says in rare cases you see an animal which is very poorly and does then unexpectedly improve.

Swampy's life is hard; he does suffer stressful walking and inability to find his tray and all that, but that's mixed up with more quiet and even some happy moments. Plus there are still times he can find his water or even his tray. The vet thinks this is because of the uneven nature of whatever lesions there are in his brain. I think the vet is glad he is not having to take this decision to be honest. It is for us to be sure.

We will see how he is over the weekend and then decide about Monday. All we are sure about is it must be because of Swampy's needs, not my own.  Many thanks to everyone again for your support. I don't know what we would do without you all and send lots of love xx  :hug: :hug: sorry if this is a bit incoherent, must go and feed my boys now as they both want something to eat.
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Post by: Leanne on October 31, 2008, 09:40:33 AM
You are one brave lady with a little fighter.  :hug: :hug: :hug:

(the website I wanted to give you should you ever need it was http://www.sunnyfieldspetcrematorium.co.uk/index.php my friend spoke incrediably highly of them)
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Post by: sazkat2 on October 31, 2008, 09:52:09 AM
I really admire you all and the way you are dealling with this.   :hug: Hugs for all of you
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on October 31, 2008, 12:04:41 PM
To be honest Kate - I would have to let him go with dignaty -

I went through this with Beau when he had FIP - I could of hung on a few more days, but he could of been in pain -missed his tray which would of deverstaed him as he was a VERY clean lad. I had to make that decision, it was hard  but I KNOW it was right.

We all know how you are feeling and are feeling it with you - Be brave and do the right thing for your little man.
MEGA  :hug: :hug: to you both xxxxxxx
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 31, 2008, 13:27:13 PM
One more thing I will say, it is something I always stick to with my cats, as I wasn't strong enough the first time and it meant she went alone, is that it is much better to lose a week with them than let them go a minute too long, and the fact is that his life his hard and there is very little chance of improvement. It is incredibly hard getting the timing right, but I would always prefer to have a bit less time with them, and them have some dignity left.
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Post by: Janeyk on October 31, 2008, 13:34:15 PM
It's not so much dignity with me it's just that I couldn't bear to think they were in any pain or discomfort and it is hard to know as cats tolerate alot before they show it - although I suppose they are linked.
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on October 31, 2008, 13:41:27 PM
One more thing I will say, it is something I always stick to with my cats, as I wasn't strong enough the first time and it meant she went alone, is that it is much better to lose a week with them than let them go a minute too long, and the fact is that his life his hard and there is very little chance of improvement. It is incredibly hard getting the timing right, but I would always prefer to have a bit less time with them, and them have some dignity left.

 :hug:  Well said Des -

I would of died myself if Beau had of gone alone - I would of NEVER forgiven myself.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 31, 2008, 13:57:07 PM
I'm not afraid of pts as long as I am sure that there is no hope left and all he faces is suffering. Even as a child, I was there with my animals at the end to hold them and so they are as least frightened as possible.
I do not want to do anything I regret later. I am going to try to speak to the vet again, or maybe better still, get him to speak to my husband as OH is visibly distressed for the same reasons and wants the vet to explain it all to him, not just to me and I relay the info.
I am grateful that it seems we'll have the weekend with Swampy.  Swampy just won't sleep though (steroids? breathing a bit too shallow, not relaxed) today. He last slept yesterday evening. I rang the vet but got the nurse's message on the pills - so have to chase that too. I know the vet wants me to continue with the vivitonin as has a theory that you do need at least 2 weeks on a new treatment before you can throw in the towel and say there's no chance of it working and it's only 2 weeks tomorrow since he started them.


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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 31, 2008, 13:58:39 PM
I think it is for Kate and her OH to make the decision and not for us to cajole her one way or the other.  She has done a magnificent job of nursing her boy and if she thinks he still has some quality of life (albeit bound to be limited with his disabilities) then we should not be telling her to "do the right thing".  What we should offer her is the wonderful support we have so far given whatever decision is made.  It is a very very difficult decision to make and Kate has to be sure, in view of the comments the vet has said.  
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Post by: Dawn F on October 31, 2008, 14:00:37 PM
my heart truly goes out to you Kate - you have been quite amazing through all of this
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 31, 2008, 18:11:35 PM
The vet's coming tomorrow late morning to have a look at Swampy and answer all our questions.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 31, 2008, 18:23:50 PM
Hope all goes well and you get all the answers you need  :hug:

Love to Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on October 31, 2008, 19:38:10 PM
I hope you all have a peaceful and serene night with some good quality sleep.  Hope Swampy has some sun tomorrow and hope the vet can tell you something to ease your mind.  My thoughts are with you all  :hug:
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Post by: Baggy on October 31, 2008, 20:20:15 PM
Hope you all have a good night and manage to get some sleep  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 31, 2008, 22:52:25 PM
Big kisses for Swampy, Hope he gets some sleep XX

Night Kate, Thinking of You hunny xx
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Post by: bunglycat on November 01, 2008, 01:26:51 AM
Big kisses and lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: to Swapy , hope you all have a restful night and we are sending healing vibes for the week-end for Swampy .
Take care , and  :hug: :hug: to all of you.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 01, 2008, 01:39:17 AM
Sleeep well Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 01, 2008, 06:02:30 AM
Morning Swampy and family.  Hope today dawans bright and sunny for you and the vet can answer all your questions.  :hug: for a happy day
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 01, 2008, 13:03:20 PM
Hope you all feel a little better when the vet has been  :hug:
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Post by: Gwen on November 01, 2008, 13:21:44 PM
Dont make any decision until your questions have been answered by the vet,we here can always give advice/opinions but your the one whos been with Swampy through all this and only you know whats best for him,please give him a gentle head rub from all us over here and we are still sending healing vibes and big :hug: to you,your OH and also a headrub for Max :hug:

You have all been so amazing through all this,much braver than I would be,I'd be a complete mess  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 01, 2008, 13:28:20 PM
Hope Swampy and the rest of you had a good night.  Let us know when you have spoken to the vet  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 01, 2008, 14:40:07 PM
Just stopping by with a hug and hoping the vet visit helps to answer your questions about Swampy's care.   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 01, 2008, 15:18:40 PM
The vet came around for nearly an hour at lunchtime, which was magic of him. He thinks that Swampy is ok for the moment and we should keep doing what we are doing, on the current meds and wait and see. He said that Swampy's suffering isn't at a stage quite yet where we can be sure, as there are clearly still moments of good, responsive behaviour (Swampy purred when I picked him up; he licked Max's ears and he wanted to eat while the vet was here). Once those go, we will be more sure. He also asked if I could cope & said that many people could not devote the nursing time as they are working - but the test is when it is done, do we look back and say we did the right thing by Swampy, or do we have regrets. He says we are between the stage of definite pts and not pts and as it's a brain problem, no-one knows if Swampy will deteriorate and how fast or maybe stabilise for a bit. As his brain's old, and he already had some dementia signs, he's not going to get dramatically better though obviously.

It must be said that little Swamp was better than he's been for some time while he was here as the vivitonin and steroids are probably peaking, he even found the tray! But his eyes are still going from side to side with the central vestibular disease which is what's making him circle and he said that we would probably know for sure, even though he's on steroids and vivitonin as Swampy would stop wanting to eat or Max would avoid him or attack him (as happened during the week), he would not be able to rest and he may forget how to use the tray or even that he needs to go, or he would circle without stopping.

I burst into tears and went to buy food and left my wallet at home!  Anyhow he said that our doubts are correct right now, but warned us that neuro changes can be quick etc (which we do know). So on we go. Bless you all for listening!

Oh he said that I must try valerian at night (for Swampy) in case it helps me get a few hours rest. Old sheep that I am, I am hoping the rain drowns out the fireworks this weekend.   :hug:  :hug: xx

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Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 01, 2008, 15:23:38 PM
What a difficult time you are going through. I know that Swampy, however bad he is feeling knows that he is loved and that he has the best meowmy in the world who is doing her very best (and a bit more!) to give him a lovely end to what Im sure has been a really happy and love-filled life as a pampered puss.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 01, 2008, 15:29:05 PM
Well that sounds to me like good news for now.  WTG Swampy fella.  I, too, hope it pours down this weekend and next and that no one can ignite a firework.  I hate the thought of all the scared animals, strays and wildlife that will be terrified just so some idiots can enjoy letting off explosives but don't get me going on that one.  I am glad that Swampy is doing as well as he can right now and long may it continue.  Well done to you Kate and OH and Max for giving him the love and care that he so richly deserves when many others would have thrown in the towel.  When it is done you will be able to look back and say I did everything I could for Swampy and more  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 01, 2008, 20:08:45 PM
Just want to wish you a quiet night.  Hope you all manage to get some zzzzz  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 01, 2008, 22:39:11 PM
thanks  :hug:  Swampy's been asleep all afternoon and evening in the igloo with just a break for a meal and I took him to the tray (he seemed too sleepy to go).  Peaceful night to you too, hope no fireworks near you either xx
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 02, 2008, 00:14:57 AM
Just popping in to say goodnight to You and Swampy xxx
oh and Max xx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 02, 2008, 00:35:46 AM
Hope Swampy has a good rest tonight  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 02, 2008, 07:02:27 AM
Sunday morning wishes for a safe and calm day  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 02, 2008, 09:58:57 AM
We had a rough night from 2 - 6.30am after a decent day when he had lots of sleep. Swampy was up all that time, wouldn't settle. He managed to find the tray twice and missed it once, but was very 'circly' - I had to feed him at 4 as he seemed very hungry, and then gave him his vivitonin at 5 and steroids at 6 - just had fortekor now and a little more to eat and after a guided visit to the loo, he's in his igloo with Max. I am pretty knackered so am going to try to rest most of the day. Hopefully it will be a calm one and he will feel better by lunchtime onwards which is what happened yesterday. I was too tired in the night to find the valerian, but am going to look it out for tonight as nights appear to be the most difficult for him at the mo'.

lots love  :hug: xx
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Post by: Kirst on November 02, 2008, 10:19:14 AM
Sorry to hear you had a rough night - hopefully the Valerian will help him,. :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on November 02, 2008, 17:16:44 PM
*hugs*

x
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 02, 2008, 17:28:22 PM
 :wish: A wish star wishing you all a better night tonight x
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Post by: Tiggy's Mum on November 02, 2008, 17:52:00 PM
Sending a :grouphug: for you both x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 02, 2008, 18:49:24 PM
many thanks, much needed. Having been so good yesterday when the vet came, today has been tricky. Lots of circling and too tired to move much so I've taken him where he needs to go. I think he's really tired after last night and this morning's circling and hyper alertness. He's now fast asleep and snoring so I suppose he may well wake up again during the night. thanks again for your thoughts, prayers and vibes from us all xx  :hug:  :hug:  I did get a nice purr earlier which raised the spirits a wee bit.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 02, 2008, 20:25:29 PM
Sounds like his little body clock has got out of sync?  Hope you all have a good night.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 03, 2008, 07:53:53 AM
How's the wonderful Swamps today? And How are you too?  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on November 03, 2008, 09:16:56 AM
More vibes from us  :hug: :hug:

How are you all today?
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Post by: clarenmax on November 03, 2008, 09:19:14 AM
Topping up with some more  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on November 03, 2008, 09:39:03 AM
MEGA hugs to Swampy  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: xxxxxxxxxxx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 03, 2008, 11:34:29 AM
Love to Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 03, 2008, 12:20:20 PM
hello, Swampy is in the igloo with Max and is asleep. I was a bit overcooked yesterday so OH bless him spent the night in here last night so I could get a few hours rest. He says Swampy woke up with a vengeance at 3am again despite the valerian but at least had a miaow to alert his dad he needed some help reaching the tray, but then the usual circling until after his breakfast at around 6. Some of it is he wants food, but he tends to vomit any wet food I've left down. I suppose it's gone a bit yuk during the night (only 4 hours but still....).  I came through at 5 for his meds and he's had a bit to eat today and slept a lot which is good.
We're not under any illusions as when he's resting, we have to clock watch ie could he need the tray now - as he won't move unless it's terribly urgent. If he finds anything it's the water as he can use the lounge shut door to navigate. The trays seem harder to find and recognise.  But he sat on my lap after his fortekor, had  a mega purr and a 'snog' with Max when back in the igloo. I just have Paddysmum's wise mantra in my head One Day At A Time. And enjoy the happy little moments.

I've scrapped the Sea Legs, don't think it worked, but am going to give him the valerian again tonight in case that helped him be calmer as OH says he slept until 3am. I'm reluctant to give him lactulose as with his difficulty finding the tray I'm so worried about diarrhoea or multiple visits (he is going once properly) but I don't know if anyone can think of a way to move that poo need from 2 or 3am to earlier in the evening as then it might help him rest better in the night?
lots of love from us all xx  :hug:  :hug: & thanks again for caring about the Swampcat.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 03, 2008, 14:02:18 PM
Bless him for making sure his dad knew what was needed! You are both doing such a great job  :hug: to you and Swampy and OH.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 03, 2008, 14:11:40 PM
He is such a clever boy.  Hope he has a lovely sunny day
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 03, 2008, 17:21:31 PM
this is what he has wrong with him (vestibular disease)  http://www.petstyle.com/cat/health_well_article.aspx?id=365&section=Health%20amp%20Safety

for some reason seems to have developed weeks after his head trauma and is unlikely to be anything to do with his ears, but the central kind. So as he is on steroids, we are doing all we can. Vet spoke to us about toxoplasmosis and possibly doing a test, but I can't see how an indoor cat could get it? (for years now, no access to soil even other than possibly a bit brought in on people's feet). I've read a lot and it seems that the consensus is it's more distressing for the owner than the cat (? ?) and that the tight circling probably means it's not a tumour. Not sure that that makes a huge diff at this stage; what I don't understand is why it developed quite a while after his accident though.
Vets, like doctors, admit that they know so little really about the brain. However there is a tiny chance that a brain can learn to compensate for a part of it being damaged - this may only be applicable in a younger cat though.
As this disease seems quite common and is very scary, thought I'd add this link here.


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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 03, 2008, 17:28:57 PM
haven't read it yet but will after I post and then knowing me, may post again!  Maybe it took a while for the swelling in his brain to go down before the disease kicked in?  Just a thought.

Edited to say - have now read it.  Nothing I can add but good to know it is more distressing for you than him if you know what I mean.  Not that I wish you any distress Kate, the opposite is true but maybe you might feel a little less stressed having read it?  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 03, 2008, 17:55:41 PM
not really actually as of course in one of the articles (lots are similar like always on the web) it says that the best outlook is for cats that can see, as they adjust quite well. If he could see, he'd still walk in circles but would find stuff. I think it's when he can't find what he's after that he gets very stressed, so that's why try not to leave him unattended for very long. I do regret not having given Swampy Istin after his accident as the day after the nurse told me he's gone blind. The vet didn't think it would work though to restore sight. But it may have prevented the 2 further little bleeds that may have kicked it all in.
I'm not tormenting myself as what's done is done, but I do wonder what if. (pointless, I know: also Istin made his liver values rise last time so who knows if he could have taken it). But that's why he's now on his 1/2 fortekor, for his bp, as the vet thinks his kidneys will probably outlive him.
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Post by: Janeyk on November 03, 2008, 18:02:18 PM
this is what he has wrong with him (vestibular disease)  http://www.petstyle.com/cat/health_well_article.aspx?id=365&section=Health%20amp%20Safety

However there is a tiny chance that a brain can learn to compensate for a part of it being damaged - this may only be applicable in a younger cat though.





Possibly as I do know that is the case for humans but rarely when older.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 03, 2008, 21:35:21 PM
Special thoughts for you and Swampy (and Max and OH) for a restful calm night  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 03, 2008, 22:06:56 PM
I would like to add one thing to that article  and that is in humans and I dont know about cats, the hairs that they talk about in the ears have little crystals on, its these that transmit the signal to the brain.

I had , they say, a virus which killed the hairs and the crystals became free and got into the wrong part of the ear and caused my balance to go. If I had had treatment with 2 weeks of becoming ill, I should have become instantly better again  but because I could not get anyone to believe it was an ear problem I was only seen by neuro 6 months later and had MRI. Nothing showed in the MRI that would cause this,  except  a minor bleed which they think was caused by a minor stroke at some time but should not have affected my balance.

I desperation I went private and saw an ear consultant and he saw the MRI scan and other test results and told me about the hairs and the crystals that transmit to the brain in which positioin you are etc.

The treatment I should have had very quickly was an Epley Manouvre but as I had it over a year from being ill, I was told that it may not work and if it did, it could take many years because the brain is very to learn that I was unbalanced but it now has to relearn that I am balanced and that is not quick so long after. My age may also be against me. They did a balance test after wards and the treatment had worked!

Its now 5 and half years on since being ill and one year less since having treatment and I can walk straight now and drive, but bending down and back up quickly can make me fall over. If I get knocked unexpectedly , I will fall over. I am so much better than I was but the changes have been slow to happen, so slow I didnt notice.  I am not safe among crowds and cant balance at all on a train or a bus and I use a stick outside my garden.

The classic test for a human is to close your eyes and stand with your arms out horizintal to your body and I would fall left.....dont do this unless you have someone to catch you! The other one is the drunk driver test , walking heel to toe on a straight line.......I can do this sometimes now but used to just fall. Another is to be sitting down with eyes closed and try to touch the end of your nose with your index finger alternately with each hand. Obviously you cant test any of this with a cat and because an ear problem is not one that can be visiably seen but by being blind, this would bring on every symptom.

Sorry to hijack this but without an MRI scan, I dont think its possible to rule out an ear problem but I would imagine in a cat one cannot help it either, especially in a blind cat. Please note that my Gp and 3 neuro specialists were not willing to concede it was my ears, only an ear specialist.......professional jealousy or tunnel vision!!
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on November 04, 2008, 08:43:54 AM
My vets do MRI scans - they have a unit come once a month - I am sure your vet could arrange a scan - would be pricey -

Bearing in mind I am in Birmingham (not sure where Swampy boo is) - my vets is Manor Vets. Web site is being redesigned at the mo. but I can send the number is you wish.

Sending love and kiss' to Swampy xxxxxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 04, 2008, 10:11:36 AM
Gill that sounds horrendous, I am so sorry.  My vet said that the only way to know exactly what's wrong with Swampy is an MRI, but no there isn't one near here (unless the private human hospital does them for pets, which I doubt) so it would involve a long car trip as well as GA or major sedative and he and we doubt that Swampy would survive it, so we decided not to do it and to give him palliative care instead. He said he would have insisted if Swampy were years younger, where scans, curative surgery etc are options. Swampy's being treated with as much non surgical vet treatment as possible and has the only meds possible (corticosteroids, vivitonin). He will just have to keep taking them for as long as he can tolerate the steroids and that they continue to work.

Last night's poo visit was at 9.30 so we had a quieter night between 12.30 until 4am. Managed to persuade little Max that the igloo was just the place to sleep (normally he lies next to me), so Swampa joined him in there until 4 and afterwards again until 5 when the meds start. They did their snogging routine and were so very sweet.  :hug:  :hug: xx

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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 04, 2008, 11:43:37 AM
Glad your night wasn't too bad, hope all is well in the Swampy camp today?
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on November 04, 2008, 11:53:49 AM
Where about are you Swampymum???
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 04, 2008, 20:41:23 PM
How's the lovely boy been today Kate?  Well as can be and happy I hope.  Sending you wishes for a peaceful night :hug:
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Post by: Gwen on November 04, 2008, 20:56:30 PM
Just topping up the hugs and vibes :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on November 04, 2008, 23:30:28 PM
Topping up the hugs and vibes for Swampy and hoping he has a good night.  How's he been today?
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 05, 2008, 00:21:25 AM
he's been sleepy today. Quite purry when awake, but circling of course when he gets up.  It could be a long night as it's past midnight and no poo tray visit as yet. hope you all have a good one anyhow  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on November 05, 2008, 06:58:05 AM
glad he's had a sleepy and not too bad a day x
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 05, 2008, 07:38:31 AM
Morning Kate.  Sending hugs to you and Swampy this morning   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 05, 2008, 07:40:00 AM
Me too  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on November 05, 2008, 09:20:39 AM
More from us too  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on November 05, 2008, 09:42:32 AM
And me  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on November 05, 2008, 12:11:58 PM
More hugs, snuggles and positive vibes for the gorgeous Swampy xxx

Big  :hug: for you Kate xxx
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 05, 2008, 12:26:48 PM
 :Luv2: to Swampy
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 05, 2008, 12:43:19 PM
 :hug: everyone. He snoozed from 12.30 - 2.45 so we're all a bit poggle eyed again today. He's dizzy and circling though, so I have to help him or he gets upset. Also eating a bit less than a couple of weeks ago. But once back on the futon or in the igloo, he's still purry and snogging the Max and either sleeping or calmly resting. I must call the vet later with an update, but think he will just say to keep doing what I'm doing. Got my lovely purrs calendar today too xx to all  :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 05, 2008, 13:18:48 PM
Hope you have a restful day with Swampy and his appetite picks up  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 05, 2008, 13:21:56 PM
snug as a bug in the igloo, sounds wonderful.  Did he poop?
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 05, 2008, 16:16:21 PM
yes in 2 gos just to keep me honest. Tray trip 1 - finished, leaves area then circles madly.....so I put him back near the tray and in he went for another lot. All that at 12.30 I think last night? I watched quite a bit more of Obama's victory than probably necessary, never mind. "where were you when Obama made history?".... "I was helping my beloved boy into his poo tray!".  Oops he is up, must go and rescue him again. Very purry just now. I managed to weigh him and he's put on weight (!!) at 5kgs - I suppose it may be fluid retention from the pred though as he is eating less and the circling is quite a lot of 'exercise' poor lamb.
 :hug: ssss

I'm starting to stress (breaking my 'one day at a time' rule) about OH going away for a whole week from 16th in case something happens. To be honest, neither of us thought Swampy would make it to then and now of course he may do so. I must I must I must I must think positive  :hug: xx

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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 05, 2008, 17:00:21 PM
Kate do you have any friends who could take it in shifts to stay over with you? 
Chrissie x
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 05, 2008, 22:34:47 PM
Calm and restful thoughts to you all for a quiet night  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 06, 2008, 07:46:41 AM
Morning Swampy and co hope your night was good despite the fireworks. Have a calm day  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 06, 2008, 09:31:35 AM
luckily the fireworks weren't too late. Yes, Swampy slept until 4, which is 2 hours more than I thought he would. Then Max woke me by landing on me though  :P
I must have passed out about an hour later as woke to find Swampy leaving the bedside tray with some nice pressies in it for me - found all by himself the brave boy. He's ok this am, not eating much but his tum looks a bit large so I suppose the steroids cause fluid retention. They have just started igloo dwelling so hope they have a nice snooze most of the day in there and big  :hug:  :hug: xx to all. Still didn't manage to speak to the vet as am not sure about the steroids dose, but also what else can I do really.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 06, 2008, 09:34:59 AM
Clever boy Swampy how wonderful.  Enjoy your snoozes throughout the day and stay well  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 06, 2008, 19:36:32 PM
Hope the gorgeous Swamps has had an easy day and has a soothing night.  You, Max and OH too Kate.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 06, 2008, 19:55:51 PM
I'm worried as he just has stopped peeing as often as normal or as he has been doing. Up until now the steroids made him need to go every 3 - 3 1/2 hours. This afternoon I took him repeatedly to the tray and he eventually went at 3.30 but he's not been since. He won't drink either. I tried his back skin fold and he doesn't seem to be dehydrated, but I'm scared that all of that is starting to shut down. The vet says that his weight gain is fluid retention so maybe that is confusing him also. He also hasn't eaten as much today, although has eaten. It's a big worry obviously although we do expect trouble, he's been quite good for 2 days.
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Post by: Janeyk on November 06, 2008, 20:01:04 PM
 :hug: for Swampy
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Post by: Kirst on November 06, 2008, 22:04:27 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on November 06, 2008, 22:27:45 PM
*hugs* for Swampy.  :Luv:
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Post by: bunglycat on November 07, 2008, 02:55:50 AM
Healing vibes and big  :hug: :hug: :hug: for Swampy.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 07, 2008, 06:17:47 AM
Keep an eye on things (as if you wont) and speak to your vet if you are worrying.  Good morning to you all by the way x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 07, 2008, 10:12:46 AM
yes I plan to try to speak to him today. We had a tricky night as he wouldn't settle. He hadn't poo'd either. His tum's quite swollen. This morning I decreased the steroid to 1 pill. I was meant to increase the fortekor to a whole one but my tired brain tells me to see how it goes on the 1 pred (instead of 1 1/2 he's been having) rather than a double change. He's not eating that well but I think it's his tum not feeling too good.
He has eaten but only about 1/2 what he'd normally have eaten by now. He's had a drink too all by himself. Now we see whether he will want to or remember to pee later on. I'll guide him every 4 hours if no go.
He shakes his head a bit too - I'll bet an MRI would find something in the deep inner ear. I'm hoping he will have a sleep now, they are both rearranging themselves in the igloo and ear-whisker biting as I type.  :hug: xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 07, 2008, 10:15:17 AM
If he is constipated he wont want to eat.  Hope he can get it shifted soon.  Try something oily or some Katalax.    Keep us updated and hope you get some sleep, all of you x
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Post by: Leanne on November 07, 2008, 10:21:11 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 07, 2008, 10:35:57 AM
he did go this morning and after that he did eat a little, but not nearly as much as normal. Think lactulose will be added to the list tonight (I want him to go during the day if poss!). Have emailed the vet to say please can we talk. The boys are now asleep in their igloo, bless them. xx  :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 07, 2008, 10:41:57 AM
thinking of you Kate, hope his appetite picks up :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 07, 2008, 11:57:34 AM
thanks. Hope so too. I'm worried as he's only weeing every 5 or 6 hours now, not every 3 or so. It's suddenly changed. I have to persuade him to go too mostly,take him there and put his front paws in.
He last went at 7.30am. I don't know if this means his system is shutting down or maybe the fortekor's working better (thinking positive) as the steroids are meant to make him go a bit more.
I'm very tired today, it's not so easy. thanks for your support xx

PS found steroid gobbed out on to the carpet! He must have pouched it this morning. I'll give him 1/2 pill tonight. Do you know if those pillpoppers work nicely? A lot of what he takes is small (steroids and vivitonin) and quite able to be pouched and spat later on.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 07, 2008, 14:15:54 PM
Naughty boy!  It's probably the Fortekor and let's hope so.  Any news from the vet?
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Post by: sheryl on November 07, 2008, 15:51:51 PM
Still sending positive vibes for the gorgeous Swampy xxx  :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 07, 2008, 16:59:07 PM
PS found steroid gobbed out on to the carpet! He must have pouched it this morning. I'll give him 1/2 pill tonight. Do you know if those pillpoppers work nicely?

I use pill poppers for those I know won't have pills in food. Some pill poppers are better than others. The ones I get from my vets have a rubber bit for gripping the pill and a straightforward plunger, rather than some I've seen that have plastic gripper and sort of scissor bits to hold while pushing the plunger.

This is the one (http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb234/scruffyjoe/Miscellaneous/pillgiver.jpg)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 07, 2008, 17:03:31 PM
just heard from the vet. We must try to give Swampy steroids only tomorrow again and see how he goes. In a couple of days, we should know if he tolerates alternate days or not. I'm a bit concerned as to what tonight may be like with no meds. Anyhow the goal is to see if he can go even 36 hours rather than topping up every 24, so no bad thing that he spat today's dose.  He sort of sat up after 4 hours lying down so I led him to the tray and he did wee. Vet not sure why that would have changed either. Just got to keep my littly happy.  :hug: xx to everyone.

thanks for the pillpopper pic - that's very helpful. Would it take a minute pill? ie a 1/4 vivitonin is really teeny.

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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on November 07, 2008, 18:01:56 PM
Sending lots more hugs for you and Swampy  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 07, 2008, 18:56:26 PM
If he can manage on the reduced dose then that will be much better.  Fingers cross Hope you all have a stress free night
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Post by: Janeyk on November 07, 2008, 19:32:55 PM
for Swampy and his pal :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 07, 2008, 22:32:24 PM
thanks for the pillpopper pic - that's very helpful. Would it take a minute pill? ie a 1/4 vivitonin is really teeny.


I have used it with teeny pills, you can find that they drop down from the gripper bit, but they will still be pushed out by the plunger, so it still works ok.
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Post by: tab on November 08, 2008, 09:20:24 AM
I have one of those pill pushers which I use for Mogs 1/4 istin tablet. I find it quite easy to use and Mogs obviously doesnt mid too much as she jumps on the arm of the chair for me.
I hope Swampys better today
love
Tab
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 08, 2008, 11:30:09 AM
I'm going to try to get one on monday for sure, especially if it that syringe type. It's too important that early in the morning he does swallow his pills. His night wasn't too bad but he is still not peeing much and having to be coaxed to go - about every 6 or 7 hours, when it was every 3 - 4 just a few days ago. I just hope that it's all right as am stressing about it. Cortisone generally should make him pee more often, not less and the reduced peeing started before I'd cut his dose at all.
here's hoping for the best xx  :hug:  to everyone.
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 08, 2008, 11:50:16 AM
 :hug: For you all come on Swampy go to the loo xxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 08, 2008, 12:24:41 PM
Glad you all had a quiet night come on Swamps getting peeing for your mum.  Hope the day is goo  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 08, 2008, 18:22:59 PM
Topping up the vibes for you and Swampy.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 08, 2008, 21:18:21 PM
Goodnight wishes to the Swampy family sleep well  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 09, 2008, 11:45:06 AM
Swampy walked straight yesterday and apart from needing help with the loo, he was ok. However overnight he became worse again and this time he's circling to the left and stumbling. It's so hard to know what steroids to give him - if they are helping or not - and we sense that the vet is guessing as vets don't do an awful lot of palliative care as people often give up and go the pts route because they aren't in a position to do 24/7 nursing.

What do you think? thurs he had 1 1/2 steroids and was reasonably ok/stable; friday he spat his steroid (1) so I didn't give him one; yesterday morning he had 1 steroid and was good all day; the idea was not to give him a steroid today but after seeing how he is today, I gave him 1.

I don't know if I should be just sticking to 1 1/2 every day or 1 1/2 every other day as each day seems different as soon as the dose is changed at all - and without any on friday he was good yesterday so I am totally baffled. I do think that NO steroid at all would mean trouble; and the vet did say that cutting the dose can take 1 -2 days to show an effect.

I'm just staying with him today. At least Max has at last got into the igloo with him, which is calming. Swampy is eating btw, just was agitated overnight and seemed to cope worse with leaning left than right - could be because it's worse, or because it's a change from the right hand circling he's been doing so long now. 

Btw the steroids take quite a few hours to work so if you give one in the morning, it wont' or shouldn't take effect until some hours later - about 7 or 8 I think (not sure).

Last saturday was the same -he was good and then deteriorated at 2am. Neuro things are weird. We don't want to give up on him as so recently had the same thing and so recently (yesterday) had such a good day. The vet just told me to play around with the dose according to how he is, but of course we don't know if the pills are helping or not.

Sorry to be a bit incoherent but have been up with him most of the night. He did remember to yell loudly when he wanted to poo. But all day yesterday (I didn't post as was so superstitious) he walked in straight lines and found everything.

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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on November 09, 2008, 11:59:32 AM
Really hard to know, hun  :hug:  I think I would probably stick with the higher dosage of steroids -  maybe today is a delayed reaction to missing fridays and then only having one yesterday?

I'm afraid I don't really have much advice as I've never nursed a sick cat in this way.  It seems to be swings and roundabouts as to what gives him a good day and what results in a bad day  :hug:  It must be so hard for you seeing him in a bad way one day and then much improved the next, and of course that makes it difficult for you to know when to say enough is enough.  I hope you both have a restful day today  :hug:   
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Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 09, 2008, 12:15:22 PM
Really don't know what to suggest but wanted to send a healing  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 09, 2008, 12:59:21 PM
Really hard to know, hun  :hug:  I think I would probably stick with the higher dosage of steroids -  maybe today is a delayed reaction to missing fridays and then only having one yesterday
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that's sort of what I'm thinking too. His vestibular disease just suddenly got worse and he's circling in the opposite direction now - which is very odd. I think the question for the vet (inasmuch as he will know or can know) is how soon would a dose reduction have a bad effect? thanks for helping me focus on the question, brain is pretty tired.

Yes if Swampy doesn't improve or stabilise in the next couple of days, I am definitely going up in dose again. If that doesn't work so be it. I just have to feel that I have done everything possible. Oops the patient is up so must go and see what he wants  :hug:  he wanted tray to pee - but is so dizzy it's horrible. I have to try to stabilise him again, this is just like last sat/sunday.

this isn't meant to come out in the quote - sorry. not sure what happened.




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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 09, 2008, 14:42:15 PM
Think for now the higher dose seems more effective but could you maybe try one and a quarter rather than one and a half see how that goes?  You have to do what works best that's all we all know!  However obviously the lower the maintenance dose the better so you just have to try and find what that is - hope the day goes well  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 09, 2008, 19:24:29 PM
he's had a bit of sleep and has eaten quite well, but as soon as he leaves the igloo it's a real battle with dizziness and stumbling for him. He's pulling very hard to the left. I wish I could speak to a neurologist to ask what it could be that pulls in both directions at different times and also gives some better or even good days as well. I do know that the only treatment for central vestibular disease is steroids, so it does make sense I think to up the dose to 1 1/2 again tomorrow morning. He's getting out of the igloo now so think he may want the tray. Think it will be a long night. Please send prayers and vibes for Swampy that he can recover a bit  :hug: xx :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 09, 2008, 19:47:32 PM
Many prayers and many vibes for sweet Swampy boy.  Hope upping the steroid again helps.  Come on Swampy baby we all love you loads.  Hope you all have a good night  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 09, 2008, 22:51:19 PM
Hope you and Swampy manage to get some peaceful sleep.  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 09, 2008, 23:22:16 PM
sleep well swampy  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on November 09, 2008, 23:28:42 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: and healing vibes for the gorgeous Swampy - hope you all have a peaceful and restful night .
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Post by: Mark on November 09, 2008, 23:51:50 PM
Just topping up good vibes and strength for you all  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 10, 2008, 07:28:18 AM
Morning to you both, Kate and Swampy.  Hoping you've managed to have a restful night.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 10, 2008, 07:56:45 AM
Very much hope you all had a good night and the best day possible today  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on November 10, 2008, 08:40:20 AM
More vibes from us  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on November 10, 2008, 09:20:47 AM
Just popping by to top up some more  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 10, 2008, 09:36:12 AM
We had a bad night so I rang the vets first up. The nurse asked him - I must increase the dose to 1 1/2 again (which I've done: gave him his pills at 3.30am as he was so manic and circling) and keep it at that for a couple of days as it takes that long to take effect, if it is going to. No idea why saturday was so good, but deteriorating 2 days after a drop in dose means that the drop can't be tolerated. I can't really get him to sleep as yet and he is crying a bit sometimes, but he's a tad calmer than during the night and I hope by lunchtime he'll be starting to feel a bit better. As saturday was such a good day when he walked straight and felt so well, we think we should give him the chance to stabilise. Poor boy missed the tray in the night for a poo - I woke up at 1.45am (after 1 hour's sleep) to find he'd done it next to the tray - but at least found the tray for a wee. Max is so angry at having his sleep constantly disturbed last night as every time he tried to lie down next to me, I had to get up. I really really hope that later today Swampy will be calmer and wish I'd not lowered the dose in the first place - I didn't really feel it would work.
thanks for all the lovely wishes for my little one  :hug: xx

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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 10, 2008, 09:44:42 AM
Kate you had to try to  lower the dose otherwise you would  never know what maintenance dose works.  Hope the meds kick in and both boys have some sleep.  You too  :hug:
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Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on November 10, 2008, 13:01:15 PM
Just sending some  :hug: :hug: for you all from me and the boys. Hope the increased dose settles him down again, as Maddiesmum says you had to try or you wouldn't know. I think you are amazing and Swampy is very lucky to have you  :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on November 10, 2008, 13:13:38 PM
So sorry that you all had such a bad night - fingers crossed that the increased meds kick in soon to calm the lovely Swampy.  :hug:

Still sending love, huggles and positive vibes xxx

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Post by: Kirst on November 10, 2008, 13:20:12 PM
Sorry you had such a bad night - heres hoping his meds stabalize soon. :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on November 10, 2008, 14:16:20 PM
*hugs* for Swampy

I hope he's feeling better.
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 10, 2008, 14:33:22 PM
 :hug: for all of you hope Swampy settles soon x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 10, 2008, 17:41:18 PM
thanks to everyone for your support xx as ever it's so vital to me and to little Swamp  :hug:
trouble is that I need sleep to stay strong and calm and take correct decisions that I am 100% sure about.  I am a terrible sleeper at the best of times and can't sleep during the day and am on 'nights' it seems with Swampa, whose worst times are 1.30 - 6am it seems. I hope and pray that he will be better by wednesday.
I am no longer even sleepy, seem to have got beyond that after so little sleep for so long so I just rest and because I'm not working at least I can do that. But Swampy slept for 3 hours this afternoon at last and is a bit happier on the futon or igloo but is still with a left head tilt and circling left that's mighty strong.  I am going to try to get OH to sleep in here tonight even though he sleeps so soundly that Swampy may not get the attention he needs, but I think I must try to get 3 hours sleep as am feeling a bit odd despite resting all day and it is hard to stay calm and rational. The vet suggested a little valium for Swampy at night but I think that may complicate any healing in his head (?) - he said a sub dose. The valerian hasn't or isn't working. Max is becoming quite annoyed at the lack of attention he's getting compared to Swampy and is now refusing to eat his wet food if it's not hand held for him too (little devil).
thanks again for just being there for us xx


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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 10, 2008, 17:45:18 PM
You don't need to thank us Kate we all care about little Swampy and want him to do well.  You must try and get some sleep or else you will be too ill to look after him and then where would he be.  Special big hugs to you all and hope Max isn't too mad.  :hug: I may not be online again today so if not wish you all a peaceful and sleepy night
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 10, 2008, 22:53:24 PM
Yes Kate, you definitely need to get some sleep, you need to keep your strength up for Swampy - hoping for a restful night for you.  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 11, 2008, 07:19:39 AM
Morning Kate.  Sorry to hear Max is feeling a little left out.  Sending a special hug for him  :hug:, and topping up the cuddles for you and swampy.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on November 11, 2008, 09:02:10 AM
Awww poor max as well as swamps and you too.

 :hug: :hug: :hug: for you all
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 11, 2008, 09:39:10 AM
Max is fine - he's getting ever fatter from mopping up the leftovers and had a good cuddle this morning after a 5 minute yowl. He has an awful voice.

Swampy's not so good. He didn't eat very much this morning. OH slept some of the night in here so I got 3 hours. It was hard to get more as I'm sort of hyper now from too long without sleep so you forget how. Or can't relax enough. I hope he will eat more later and we'll see some improvement, even small. mega hugs to everyone  :hug: xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 11, 2008, 09:58:29 AM
Come on Swampy we are all waiting to hear that you have perked up.  Special had butt for Max, glad you managed some sleep :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 11, 2008, 21:43:56 PM
Hope the lovely boy had a great day and hope you all have a restful night  :hug:
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on November 11, 2008, 21:49:09 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 12, 2008, 08:48:00 AM
Morning to you all.  Hope you had a good night and wishes for a calm day   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 12, 2008, 10:37:05 AM
 :blow kiss: for the messages. OH is studying so did the night last night in here which gave me a few hours again. OH sleeps easily so he snored from 9 -12, then worked until 2.30, then slept with a Swamp loo interruption until about 6. I'll be back 'on' tonight though until maybe friday and of course all next week while he is away. I can only fall asleep, then not get back to sleep once I'm woken, so usually end up with an hour or at best as the only definite pattern is that Swamp gets up in the very early hours for a wander and pee. OH tried to ignore him he says but Swampy was making unhappy noises so seems now to expect to be rescued poor lamb.

Swampy walked in a straight line for 5 mins last night, just got up and went to the tray at 11.30 to poo - then once done, started circling again. It really is most odd. He's still circling and his eyes are darting around but he ate better this morning at least. And the sun is out. OH says when he was studying he took him to the desk with him and he sat with him too. I don't know what to do or make of it all other than the one day at a time rule. I am very nervous though about next week - sunday to friday night is a long time in Swampy's life.

big hugs to you all, hope the sun is out everywhere making for happy little furries and their slaves xx  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 12, 2008, 19:14:28 PM
Yes I think you are right about taking it one day at a time  :hug: don't forget to take care of yourself too  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 12, 2008, 20:30:15 PM
Kate please don't feel alone when your OH is away we are all here for you to lean on if needs be.  Hope you all have a restful night. :hug:
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on November 12, 2008, 21:21:38 PM
Night Night Swampy boy - hope you have nice pleep - and have a lovely morning tomorrow xxxxxxxxx many hugs to you  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Baggy on November 12, 2008, 21:33:47 PM
Hope you both get some good sleep.  It's horrible being so tired but still being on alert for every little noise.  Sounds like Swamp is doing ok though  :Luv:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 13, 2008, 09:24:29 AM
Hope all was good last night and you all have a restful day xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 13, 2008, 10:09:44 AM
I'm in a state of nerves (more than usual) this morning as Swampy peed 4 times between 11.30pm and 6am and is eating better and drinking quite a lot, so the vet wants to test his urine for sugar - high dose steroids for a longish time can cause diabetes. I'm going down there just after 11 because the nurse said she'll try to let me see him to chat face to face. That's a lot better when you're tired. Before last night I wanted to talk to him anyhow as was checking the NOAH meds compendium and it def does say it's best to give steroids at night to a cat, because of the peak cortisol levels it helps with their adrenal function. If that goes all wrong they get abnormally stressed. Swampy gets upset now if he wants a drink, food or tray and as soon as he's got what he wants, he relaxes. I have no idea how we'd switch him to nights again without a deterioration.
I'm just trying to take deep breaths. Will post later when I know what he says.  :hug: xx
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Post by: Leanne on November 13, 2008, 10:36:15 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:

Good luck at the vets
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 13, 2008, 11:57:29 AM
Keep calm - best to get it tested.  Try shifting the steroids slowly and hour or two later each day.  That might work without disrupting him, check with your vet.  You are seeing patterns to his behaviour which is a good thing I think;.  Let us know how you get on with the vet.  Big hugs to you all
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 13, 2008, 12:09:48 PM
He's got blood in his urine so he's on antibiotics now. I just gave him 2 Noroclav, then he has 1 tonight and 2 a day from tomorrow. I asked the vet if he needed to see him, or if he thought this was too far and he said no, he's eating and cleaning himself and he thinks it is worth a go and may make him feel better. Apparently it's likely to be caused by the steroids. On them, he told me to move the dose to suit myself as a single day probably won't make a huge difference, although last weekend missing one day was a problem. The vet is doing a more detailed urinanalysis later and says he will call me when he can. I knew something was wrong. No sugar in his urine. Vet said to keep giving him k/d or the senior pate, nothing with too much protein. I hope and pray little Swampy is more comfortable later on. Not sure how fast the pills get to work - does anyone know?

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Post by: AliCat on November 13, 2008, 13:00:49 PM
*hugs* for Swampy. Poor little thing.
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on November 13, 2008, 13:08:20 PM
MANY HUGS to Swampy  :hug: xxxxxxxxxxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 13, 2008, 13:15:49 PM
Not sure about pills but sending big hugs and hope they kick in soon
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 13, 2008, 13:34:30 PM
Also sending loving vibes to Swampy.   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 13, 2008, 14:08:40 PM
The vet rang. Swampy has granular casts in his urine (he did explain but it went over my head) and blood and some protein so it looks like a kidney infection. He still thinks to go with the antibiotics which take about 3 days to work if they are going to. Plus up the fortekor to a whole tablet from tomorrow. He thinks that the steroids or all the meds he's had recently have possibly made his kidneys deteriorate as his CRF was moderate when he had his last bloods on 3 Sept. He can't tell exactly where the infection is but still thinks the most likely cause is an infection. Swampy had another good drink which is unusual for him - I'm taking the water to him after he's eaten and just trying to keep him warm and quiet. I'm a bit disappointed that it takes as long as 3 days for him to possibly feel better.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 13, 2008, 15:15:48 PM
Poor Swamps as if he hasn't enough to contend with .  Hope he is feeling better very soon :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on November 13, 2008, 15:18:04 PM
Poor swamps  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 13, 2008, 15:35:01 PM
 :get well:  Poor Swampy and poor you.  Wj=hat alot to deal with all in one go, I hope things get better for you all  :hug:
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Post by: Mark on November 13, 2008, 17:23:36 PM
Poor Swampy and poor you. I hope he turns the corner quickly.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 13, 2008, 19:12:20 PM
thanks  :hug:  I think I may just give Swampy his steroids tomorrow mid or late afternoon, instead of at 6am - tbc when I see how he is I suppose. He and Max had a lovely grooming snog and he's eaten well, but he can't be feeling too great (apart from the circling problem) and my guess is the antibiotics aren't going to make him feel very wonderful until they start to work either. I was going to give him a little lick of a yoghurt pot lid but someone said that it's pointless until after the course of antibios as the drugs will just kill the good bacteria from the yoghurt (?). I was looking at my diary and he did seem to have marginally better nights with the steroid dose in the evenings so I am keen to try that if possible for my own sake - if he'd sleep until 4 or so, I could get a little sleep. Anyhow I'm hoping he doesn't need to pee every hour tonight again - very weird that it's a manageable 3 or 3 1/2 hours during the day but more frequent at night. The steroids are given at 6am and he gets lousy from 1am the next night - pacing and restlessness would be easier to handle during daylight.
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Post by: Kirst on November 13, 2008, 19:37:03 PM
Heres hoping he has a more restful night tonight xx :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 13, 2008, 19:44:42 PM
Ditto  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 14, 2008, 07:28:09 AM
Hope you all had a quiet night.  I am away this weekend so wont have internet access, hope you have a stress free time and will be thinking of you  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on November 14, 2008, 08:39:38 AM
Just popping ion to top up the healing vibes  - I hope you all had a peaceful night.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 14, 2008, 11:06:26 AM
I'm totally baffled; this is so weird. We got no sleep cos Swampy paced in a manic way all night from 12 to after 4am. I couldn't get him to let me pick him up even. Nothing calmed him, not even meals (he had 2). Then this morning I didn't give him steroids (trying to move to this eve) and just gave vivitonin, antibiotic and fortekor and he is amazing. He is walking in straight lines, eating, purring, finding his tray and water, having a love in my arms etc - a different cat.
He got temporarily better last time we cut the steroids for a day - but then we lowered the dose and the next night he deteriorated badly. Gives a whole new meaning to 'rollercoaster' to see him so different just a few hours apart. I just have no idea what to do - and can't leave him to wander madly at night in case he can't find the tray as with his infection he must pee. Have emailed the vet but don't think he'll know why this is happening either.
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 14, 2008, 11:12:30 AM
How strange if only you knew why he was so much better!!  Glad you are having a good morning with him, is he allways worse at night?  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 14, 2008, 11:22:12 AM
yes he is always worse at night. He's either very alert but quite purry, or terrible (occasionally) like last night. I'm tempted to try the steroids every other day at the current dose but don't want to experiment too much while OH is going to be away and I will have 6 nights without sleep it seems. The better days or better part of days could be a coincidence, but this is the 3rd one he's had. Wish I could sleep during the day but I just can't.
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 14, 2008, 11:46:13 AM
Just an idea and don't know if you have already thought about it (u probably have as you are thinking of changing it) but maybe he is worse at night because the steroids from the morning are wearing off so I think its a great idea to change him to having them in the evening.  I really admire you and the way you are coping I hope you will find the correct medication and dosage soon  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 14, 2008, 15:40:07 PM
that's what I'm thinking. It's a tough call as he seems to do better OFF steroids for a bit, but not for too long or he deteriorates, but I wish I could just stop them to see, but apparently that is dangerous.
20 mins ago Max sat on him and he woke up and they had a 10 second paw bat!!!! I nearly fell over. That's not happened for weeks.  This is the same Swamp that was so ill in the night.

just took him to the tray and he has stopped being able to walk straight and is pulling hard left again. I think I'll do the steroids in an hour or so. I so enjoyed seeing him better while it lasted and expect poor wee lamb did too.
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 14, 2008, 15:47:30 PM
Sounds like he is having a good day today  ;D  I hope he has a good night tonight and gets some rest.  It must be so hard with all the medication trying to find the right combination  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on November 14, 2008, 16:10:20 PM
More vibes for you all in case I don't get on at the weekend  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 14, 2008, 23:31:17 PM
Swampy has a runny tum tonight. Because of his kidney infection, he's only allowed low protein food so I've been giving him mostly wet Hills k/d minced chicken cans and some Hills senior turkey pate. They are both (I think) quite high in fibre as senior foods mostly are. I have a few cans of Hills i/d under the bed, but think that they are high in protein. Hills have gone and removed all the nutritional info from their website. Not feeding him anything overnight is going to be problematic as he has zero stress tolerance now for not getting what he wants and if he doesn't get food until tomorrow he'll pace and circle all night.

Anyone know which of the above foods (I know to give small amounts) he should have to help his tum? I'm going to top up with more kaminox which has some iron in it. I think the runs are from a mix of antibiotic and steroid this evening. He also ate very well at 6.30. He's not been circling either, so as one thing improves for a while, another takes its place!

xx  :hug: everyone. thanks.
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 14, 2008, 23:38:10 PM
At least the circling and eating is a little better so its not all bad thats good to hear.  At the rescue I volunteer at we give th I.D to cats with runny tums so id give that a try it does work on most but I'm not sure about the other two!  Fingers crossed you all have a peaceful night  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 14, 2008, 23:39:45 PM
Goodnight Swampy ....big kisses xxx
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Post by: AliCat on November 14, 2008, 23:42:45 PM
*hugs* fpr Swamp cat. Sweet dreams!
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 14, 2008, 23:52:49 PM
I think the runs are from a mix of antibiotic and steroid this evening. He also ate very well at 6.30. He's not been circling either, so as one thing improves for a while, another takes its place!


Antibiotics can lead to digestive upsets/runs, so I would guess its probably that, hopefully a temporary thing! I wouldnt introduce any different food though, I would stick with what he's been eating. Glad he's not circling,  hoping you have a quiet night with him.  :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on November 15, 2008, 10:23:35 AM
Just wanted to give swampy a hug    :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 15, 2008, 10:25:50 AM
OH spent the night with him and says it was quieter. Swampy got up at 3 but was calm. He's not eating too well and his wees are a dribble which of course worries neurotic me - but he's not circling and to my joy and amazement he managed to follow Max to the bedroom and jumped up on to the bed! I can't quite believe it. Just makes me wonder how long he possibly should have been on these antibiotics for as they seem to have helped - early days, I know, one day at a time, even one hour at a time, but small moments like this make it all worthwhile. xx  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 15, 2008, 11:13:58 AM
 ;D  That sounds like good news.  I'm so glad you had a better night.  He seems to be getting slightly better each day and max is obviously helping him along with you and your OH's hard work!  Lets hope he sorts out his weeing now, does he drink enough water?  Ive got everything crossed that you have a good day today as I know it is one day at a time but it has bought a smile to my face this morning knowing that he is slightly better today and you are happier  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on November 15, 2008, 12:11:31 PM
Glad Max is showing sighns of improvement - long may it continue! :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 15, 2008, 12:48:17 PM
the vet didn't have time to call me back - does anyone know of a CRF safe probiotic that I could get at the chemist? Just in case he still won't eat much or has runny tum again.

Yes he drinks but not much and I suppose he gets most of his water from his wet food. I don't want to wake him but will see if can get him to drink when he does wake up. My main worry is the teeny pees - the vet told me as the pills work the peeing should get less frequent so it's the quantity.

I *may* chance my arm (deep breaths) and skip his steroids tonight and see if he can go 48 hours between doses.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 15, 2008, 17:14:20 PM
Am glad to hear Swampy is calmer, and seems to be feeling better in himself.  I hope this continues and grows from strength to strength, Kate.   :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on November 15, 2008, 18:53:40 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 16, 2008, 10:12:33 AM
I decided to try to wait til this evening to give his steroids  - 48 hours, if possible. That way I can see whether the whole of the improvement in his circling is due to the antibiotics (maybe). He had a quiet night and reached the tray and water. But today he won't eat - I've only got him to lick at a couple of teaspoons of pate or k/d, so the steroids must at least be propping up his appetite. He's also doing these mini-wees still but he did drink. As he gets most of his water from his food, I have to try to get him to eat later on. Right now he's wandering around the room, doesn't seem unhappy but I don't know how long I can leave him without proper food. The steroids once given should start to work on his appetite in 12 hours I think. Nothing seems too clear right now.
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 16, 2008, 10:48:33 AM
Glad you had a better night - hope you managed to get some sleep!!  Sounds like his circling is better at the moment which is good I suppose the hard bit is trying to figure out what is helping and what is not.  This is probably a silly idea but could you keep a Swapmy diary of each day and put what you have given him in it and how he has been acting for each day/night?  I did this for my migraines and it helped me lol!  Fingers crossed that he starts eating later on Ive had this problem with Maude this week as she was coughing she went two days with no food I was ready for taking her to the vets.  I managed to get her to eat some ham but that was all she would eat ( she coughed up some grass lastnight and is now OK) so I know how worrying it is!   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 16, 2008, 12:39:08 PM
Yes I keep a Swamp diary! I had some sleep as OH did last night, but he's now away until next weekend so I'm hoping for the best. I think I'll try Swampy at about 2 with a meal and if he doesn't eat, I'm going to give him his steroids then and not wait 48 hours for 6.30pm as they do take a while to work. I don't know if he's refusing to eat because of the antibiotics making him feel yuk but the steroids I suppose will improve his appetite. I really hope so as he's a funny cat - he won't eat chicken or ham etc, just cat food and prefers wet k/d and turkey pate, so if he's off those, he's off it all. The a/d and i/d foods are too high in protein for his kidney infection too. He's had a teaspoon yoghurt (even didn't really want it but did lick it) and I hope to get him a probiotic tomorrow or tuesday.
 :thanks: for caring and big hugs xx I'm going to be mental all week with just me here with him (you have been warned).
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 16, 2008, 13:13:36 PM
just threw in the towel and gave steroids as he refused to eat any more than a lick of food. His liver's not great and he needs moisture so I pray and hope that the steroids help him to eat later today.
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 16, 2008, 14:28:02 PM
I'm sure they will try not to worry (i know its hard), maybe he will feel like eating later on tonight  :hug:  I hope things stay calmish for you while OH is away you have allways got us lot to take it out on if not lol!  I know this may sound horrible but how is he with you putting things in his mouth?  As if he is OK you could try him with a syringe with some water in just to get some fluids in once a day.  At least then you would know that he has some water my cats wouldn't let me but it may be worth a go if you think he is not getting enough fluids.  Wishing you a good afternoon with him and hope the steroids kick in soon a massive  :hug: for you. 
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 16, 2008, 22:38:39 PM
I have been away since Friday and just got back, no internet access and have been wondering all the time how  Swampy has been doing.  He seems to have had some good times with jumping on the bed and playing with Max, wouldn't be doing that if he didn't feel good.  Hope he manages to get some food inside him and hope you have a peaceful night.  :hug:
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Post by: tigerbaby on November 16, 2008, 23:58:18 PM
For Swampy  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 17, 2008, 12:11:35 PM
I'm waiting for the vet to call about the probiotics, but Swampy had a good night - he even went up 8 stairs to Max's "hidden" dry food at 3am (not allowed it!) and found everything. But he peed little and often and this morning is circling a bit again and a bit zonked out. I've been reading about bacterial infections (like toxo and others) and vestibular symptoms and how the worst thing is to stop the antibiotics too soon - some cats take them for 6 - 8 weeks, so I need to find out if we are in the same or possibly similar thing here or not. Anyhow I don't think the kidney problem has cleared up yet. I so hope he stops circling again as without it he's so much better (even his head was still yesterday which was wonderful for him) and I can get a bit of sleep as don't have to get up all the time.
With the steroids at lunchtime yesterday he did a mega plop at 3 (sorry!) and a couple of hours after that he started to eat a little again. By midnight he was hungry again. So also need to try to work out how much of not eating is down to the break in steroids (41 hours between doses last time) and how much because his tum's not right on the antibios.

He's slept all morning which he hasn't been doing lately - no visits down the passage to the bed today as yet. I picked him up and took him to the tray to wee as he couldn't be bothered, too tired. lots of lovely burmese purrs to all  :hug: xx thanks for listening yet again to the "Swamp-update"  :blow kiss:
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Post by: Kirst on November 17, 2008, 12:14:17 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: for you and Swampy
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 17, 2008, 12:43:58 PM
Bless that little cat he tries so hard I love him to pieces  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on November 17, 2008, 15:47:36 PM
Awwww bless lil swamps  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 17, 2008, 17:30:32 PM
Glad you had a good night with him and got some well needed sleep!!  It must feel like a massive puzzle to solve at the minute  :hug:  Wishing you luck for the evening  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 17, 2008, 17:47:34 PM
thanks  :hug:  He's going to have steroids every 36 hours approx so not going to be poss just in the evenings (oh well) and at least 2 weeks of antibiotics I think. Apparently there's no point giving him a probiotic while he's still taking antibiotics so will just stick to yoghurt and hope his tum holds steady.
He's spent all day asleep so think it could be a walky, wakey night! I just hope he's not circling too badly (a bit of circling today to the left) so he can at least find his tray and water, then I can hear him but not have to get up all the time.
xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sazkat2 on November 17, 2008, 17:59:06 PM
You will have to keep us posted on how he is with the 36 hour steroids it may just be the answer  :luck:   Glad he has been asleep today but as you say bet he will be awake later now - you just can't win!!   I can't believe he will eat yoghurt he is such a sweetheart mine would think I'm mad if I tried to give it to them.  Fingers crossed for a good night ahead  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 17, 2008, 18:13:50 PM
he loves yoghurt. When he was a baby he once got his little head stuck in a yoghurt pot and once he got it off with his paw, his whole face was covered in yoghurt. Yes I know he'll be up all night; just hope he isn't circling so much that he can't find where he wants to go.
I just posted on the other thread on here, that I have to gently massage the 'urinary area' to help prevent blockages. blimey. Seriously the vet is concerned (and I am neurotic) that he will block up.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sazkat2 on November 17, 2008, 19:15:51 PM
Aww I can just imagine his little face covered in yogurt how cute!!  Not the nicest of jobs massaging the urinary area but if it helps its all good and I'm sure you don't mind if its doing good  :hug:  Lets hope there isn't much circling tonight  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 17, 2008, 19:53:13 PM
Swampy has the most wonderful nurse he could hope for in you Kate.  Hope you all have a quiet night  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 18, 2008, 12:00:14 PM
Mr Swamp was up and pacing from 1am until he settled at 7.30 this morning. He woke me after an hour's sleep by walking up the stairs in the lounge and getting stuck in the mezzanine (rescue time); then wanted to eat (twice); knocked over the water bowl....oof. Lovely that he can find things, but he is so awake all night. He is now fast asleep - I so wish I could sleep during the day but no matter how tired I am, I can't fall asleep but can only rest. Max was yelling in the night too as I didn't leave out his dry food in case Swampy ate it (that's why Swamps went up the stairs: looking for a secret stash of dry nosh).

I had a long chat to the vet who said the prognosis now depends on how long he can tolerate the high dose steroids as he thinks he's addicted to them now and is not making them (whatever they make) for himself any longer and also we don't know why he has blood in the urine. He thinks Swamps must have been immune to convenia antibiotic as has had it quite often before - otherwise he doesn't understand how this one (synulox by another name) works. I told him it had to be the antibiotic as Swampy started walking straighter 24 hours after taking it.

xx  :hug:  :hug: to everyone.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 18, 2008, 12:01:47 PM
Just found this while trying to find some info on liver issues and thought of Swampy - when did he last have liver tests done?

8. Hepatic encephalopathy, or severe neurological signs. behavioural changes, seizures, aimless pacing or circling, head pressing. May be associated with meal time.

Here is the full website

http://www.canine-epilepsy.com/liverdisease.htm

ETA - I had a memory lapse when I posted this, and forgot Swampy's history of liver issues!!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sazkat2 on November 18, 2008, 12:33:35 PM
So sorry you had a bad night at least you were expecting it after he slept all day yesterday ( not that it helps much )!!  Have just read the article Desley and it has some great info in it definitly worth a chat with the vet.  Best wishes for the day ahead loads of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 18, 2008, 12:48:30 PM
thanks Desley! He had his liver tested the last time he had bloods which was 1 day before he had another brain episode (early october) and started circling, but his ALT was up a little so I am going to restart Zentonil, despite the poor wee lad being like a rattling pill box.  the antibiotics should help that and I'm not sure about the steroids but when he had cholangiohep he was on steroids and antibiotics as well as liver pills. I know the vet said that if he makes it another couple of weeks we will have to rethink doing bloods if possible. Swampy did NOT co-operate last time, so they only got enough out of his leg for kidneys and liver, not the white count etc. Getting blood out of him has always been hard and now it's impossible out of his neck vein. thanks, will mention it next time I speak to him this week as the fortekor goes through the liver too doesn't it.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 18, 2008, 13:51:27 PM
Sorry you didn't have a good night but he does have some spirit doesn't he, looking for food to pinch.  Hope you can get things sorted, I don't think it matters how many pills a day he has to take so long as they are helping him have the best life possible.   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 18, 2008, 21:48:18 PM
Night night Swampy camp,sweet dreams and lots of zzzzzs  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 19, 2008, 07:06:22 AM
Hope it was a good night and today will be good for Swampy and Max and you :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 19, 2008, 07:55:48 AM
Just topping up the Swampy cuddles.   :hug: :hug:  And adding a sleepy but heartfelt PPPprrrffppTT from Paddy.   :)
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 19, 2008, 10:49:20 AM
not too bad a night thanks as he got up as usual at 1 but settled down after 4 - and could find stuff himself. However he had a bit of a runny tum again and found a few dry bics of Max's which he deposited on the carpet so I had to get up a few times.  I just gave him a little i/d afterwards and the nurse thinks that's ok as a one off. Apparently the anti diarrhoea meds are very strong (diarsanyl) and may block him up instead.

He knows the sun is out! He got up and walked down the passage and we had one of our old favourite little games on my knee in the sun for a few secs (mum v v happy). And the pillpopper works a treat on foul tasting, foam inducing steroids. However I just ran it under a hot tap afterwards as can't see how to clean it properly - it's a zooty green and clear one made by Kruuse I think (can't see straight). Do you think that's ok?

I had to order more fortekor and the vet now has a prescription charge of £6.50 so almost all the online savings would be eaten up, so I'm getting it direct from him this time. Apparently that's a new UK vet association reg?! I wouldn't mind as the vet gives me a lot of great phone attention and help, but I have to pay 35% of every claim as Swampy's a "senior" cat. I'm still fighting with the insurance co on the home visits - they agreed to pay for one, but seem to think further ones aren't covered  :censored: to them despite the vet saying it would be life threatening to put Swampy in a car.

Enjoy the sun and let's hope for a good, non run tum, non circly day if possible and lots of love from here xx  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 19, 2008, 11:04:42 AM
Quote
let's hope for a good, non run tum, non circly day if possible

Very definitely Kate.   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sazkat2 on November 19, 2008, 11:22:15 AM
Sounds like you had quite a good night then I'm so glad, I have to get up and come straight on here to see how you are doing!  Just had a thought it might not be a good one though as I know Swampy is a fussy eater and there are foods he shouldn't eat but how about some rice and chicken for him to eat might help his tum?  I don't know if this is too high in protein for him as I'm not good with whats in food lol!  Glad the sun is out for you (it's not here it looks like rain) and Swampy had a game with you it must have cheered you up and bought a smile to your face  :hug:  I would say you are cleaning the pillpopper right I don't have one to advise but I would do the same just dip it in boiling or very hot water to kill the germs  ;D I can't believe they won't help with the home visits like you say he does need them they are unbelievable  :censored:  Well Ive got everything crossed for you (as normal) to have a great day with Swampy and hope things are not too bad for you while OH is away  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 19, 2008, 15:10:48 PM
Fantastic Swampy you did so well.  You know what Kate if your insurance company are iffy about the home visits we could ALL email them in support of you
Hope the rest of your day went well. :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Kirst on November 19, 2008, 16:23:12 PM
Im glad Swampy had a better night - if you want an email to the insurance company I would be more than willing!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 19, 2008, 17:48:33 PM
thanks good furbabe lovers - let's see how we get on!

Swampy's done a little bit of circling today, back to the right again this time. I must try to speak to the very busy vet as I think Swamps is peeing a bit too often still so possibly the antibiotics are some way off working on that, if they are going to. I'm not sure if a urine sample taken during antibiotic treatment gives a proper picture of what's going on? Anyhow he's purring away but right now he's going round and round the leg of the chair, which he's not done since last Friday so I am worried. He's finding the futon and turning right just before stepping on to it instead of going straight on. Please let it be temporary.....
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on November 19, 2008, 18:24:52 PM
Maybe the vet could change the antibiotics to a different sort ? I had some when Bungly had cystitis and they didn''t do much good ater 4 days , so i rang and he gave me some different ones.
Hope Swampy improves and you have a quietish night.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 19, 2008, 18:39:48 PM
I'm due to collect another week's supply tomorrow so I will have to try to speak to the vet and ask. Maybe they aren't strong enough now. They are Noroclav 50mgs (same as Synulox apparently: amoxycillin) and he gets one twice a day.  I spoke to my neighbour who has been really ill and who was given high dose steroids and she says that her antibiotics sometimes didn't work too well either because of the steroids - they depress the immune system.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 19, 2008, 19:55:28 PM
Hope you can get the meds sorted.  Have a quiet night x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 19, 2008, 21:11:15 PM
Swampy's not that good tonight. Easily frightened and a bit of circling again. After last night's runs, no poos at all (which may not be helping) but has eaten ok. I just had to calm him down as he went to the tray, then couldn't find the igloo afterwards and became a bit panicky. He's peed a bit more often so perhaps it's that. Either way I will have to try to get hold of the vet tomorrow - it's not easy as he's always really busy. Do you know if a urine sample would show anything now that he's on the antibiotics as I may take one down? He told me to do that when the antibiotics were finished, but seeing as though he's deteriorated today I might anyhow if there's any point (?).
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 19, 2008, 21:27:15 PM
Don't know the answer Kate but hope you can speak to the vet tomorrow x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 19, 2008, 21:42:23 PM
Do you know if a urine sample would show anything now that he's on the antibiotics as I may take one down? He told me to do that when the antibiotics were finished, but seeing as though he's deteriorated today I might anyhow if there's any point (?).

I guess it wouldnt hurt to get a sample and take it in tomorrow, and as bungly mentioned, maybe vet will suggest different antibiotics. I think your'e right about antibitoics and steroids working against each other though, difficult really, when you are trying to treat so many different problems isnt it? Hope he is a bit calmer soon  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sazkat2 on November 19, 2008, 21:53:02 PM
 :hug:  I don't know the answer either but it couldn't hurt to take a sample in to the vets.  I hope Swampy calls down a little and has a good night and massive   :hug: for you xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 19, 2008, 22:46:35 PM
thanks  :hug:  Swampy is lying in the igloo, got him to eat but his head is sort of down. He hasn't poo'd at all today - maybe he will during the night - and he does look as if he doesn't feel well poor lamb.
good night to all of you too xx big purrs to everyone.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 20, 2008, 06:59:31 AM
Sending a gentle early morning hug to Swampy  :hug:  Hope you had a quiet night, Kate.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 20, 2008, 10:48:11 AM
We had a quiet night because Swampy just lay next to me, he didn't want to move, which he's not done before. When he did get up, he's circling around to the right all the time again. I'm just so disappointed as nearly 6 days of such improvement gets your hopes up.  I called the vet who insists that because Swampy goes both left and right when he's been circling it is likely to be brain stem damage or inflammation rather than bacterial infection. The vet thinks he just felt better when given antibiotics for his kidney/bladder infection and somehow that's worn off. Swampy doesn't sleep much but lies on his tum with his head a bit down, although he has been very purry and has eaten pretty well this morning. He's peed less too, which is also sudden, but I'm going to try to get a sample and take it down for analysis.

I'm not sure what he can find again; he found water but needed help for his tray. I've given him a hottie and put him in the igloo and I hope he'll have a lovely sleep at last.  Please keep sending him your special prayers and vibes as the vet says it could be just a bad day, but I don't think so - I think he's just gone back to what he was.
He doesn't think it's worth changing the antibiotic or dosage but just keep doing what I'm doing.
 :hug: xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sazkat2 on November 20, 2008, 10:53:52 AM
I sorry you are having a bad time again fingers crossed its just a bad day.   :hug:  Loads of special prayers and vibes for you and Swampy  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on November 20, 2008, 11:39:42 AM
Oh no I am sorry to hear Swamps had a bad night.

More vibes from us  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 20, 2008, 13:02:14 PM
just took a sample down to the vet. Swampy still has blood in his urine and his specific gravity's low. I hope the vet will call again later (twice in one day may be too much) as I don't know if this is to be expected after a week of antibiotics. He gave him another week of them. I am sure that the circling is because he isn't feeling well again because it always gets worse when he has any stress.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sazkat2 on November 20, 2008, 13:34:38 PM
Poor Swampy and poor you  :hug:  Lets hope the vet does call you later just so you know what is happening  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 20, 2008, 14:52:54 PM
OOOOH poor Swamps hope by the time you read this post he has bucked up again.  Lots of loving hugs coming his way   :hug:
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Post by: Baggy on November 20, 2008, 21:26:56 PM
More hugs from us too  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 20, 2008, 22:19:07 PM
Just popped on with a night time hug for you all.  How are you managing on your own Kate?  Hope it's not too stressful for you.  Hope, too, that you all have a restful night  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 21, 2008, 11:10:20 AM
While I was asleep last night, sometime between 2 and 5, Swampy didn't make the tray poor love. He's circling very badly again and was very stressed this morning. Max at last has got into the igloo with him and they are having a snog which will calm him down. But I've just read this, which tends to say that antibiotics may only work to quiet down the pain of a urinary infection in cats and what we should be doing is to try to calm his stress down. Valerian didn't do it so am not sure what I can do.
There's still blood (same as before) in his urine and his pH is up to 7.  I am scared Swampy will 'block' and I know the vet's main concern is his kidneys right now. He thinks the circling is from stress from not feeling well and is brain stem damage from his accident and nothing we can do about that.
I was googling and found this australian site which seems good http://www.catsofaustralia.com/cat-urinarytract-problems.htm.  I really do believe that most of Swampy's problems are from stress now.

I'm going to fetch a painkiller drug to syringe into his mouth in 5 min intervals - something like morphine, to see if that helps calm . Otherwise there's an anti depressant (calmaline? can't remember, not amitryptaline) we could try from Monday which may make things much better or much worse. The vet says we really should see a neurologist so I asked him to speak to one but he doesn't think that will be helpful - he does a lot of referring so knows which drugs they tend to prescribe.  I can't put Swampy through a trip in the car to Kent and scans so looks like we are back to where we were before he improved. He doesn't think changing antibiotic will help at all. So I suggested painkiller and that's what we are trying. Sorry if this isn't too coherent; I am just determined that if we CAN control his stress, that we should try. He had blood in his urine all week and he stopped circling so the antibiotic did help him feel better and less stressed as a result, but that's not working like that any more.

Little one is calm now and finally has gone to sleep in the warm igloo with his brother Max.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 21, 2008, 12:31:36 PM
just came back from the vet. I got some morphine syringes to put slowly in his mouth if I think he is stressed from being in pain - to try if his circling gets too bad or he's very agitated or crying. I got some diazepam to give him a very little if necessary (he is ok on it as had it before for his seizures) which will make him calm but a bit groggy. I'm thinking about trying a bit of rescue remedy first, every hour or so in his mouth to see if anything that simple could help.
He was on the futon when I got back and had a purr so seems to be a little calmer for the minute; it's when he needs to wee that he's most upset, because of the discomfort and the inability to find the tray. Lots of cuddles today and I just hope and pray that he doesn't block. The vet has told me how to do an instant 'manual unblock', but it sounds very tricky.
 :hug:s to everyone, sorry for the long posts xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 21, 2008, 13:26:16 PM
What about Zylkene?  Might help with his stress.  Hope he can get something sorted stress is awful for them and us!  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on November 21, 2008, 13:34:58 PM
I was about to say the same as Maddiesmum as well, have you tried Zylkene?

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 21, 2008, 13:46:19 PM
What is Zylkene please? And is it safe for kidneys? thanks xx

Ps just seen your link and have emailed it to my vet. I need to get anything okayed by him. I've got my hopes up again, thank you  :hug: xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sazkat2 on November 21, 2008, 14:33:55 PM
Can't offer any advice about the meds but just giving you and Swampy a massive  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on November 21, 2008, 15:03:35 PM
What is Zylkene please? And is it safe for kidneys? thanks xx

Ps just seen your link and have emailed it to my vet. I need to get anything okayed by him. I've got my hopes up again, thank you  :hug: xx

I don't know about the kidneys issue I'm afraid but I hope your vet says its okay to try with Swamps  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 21, 2008, 15:20:56 PM
The nurse is ringing up the manufacturers to ask. She also checked the VN forums - the main issue seems to be whether it works well or not, not whether it is safe, so may well be worth a try. Being Friday, don't suppose I can get it until monday or probably tuesday though which is a pity.  I also asked her to ask if Cystaid was worth a go or if this is too advanced a problem for that.
Many thanks for the suggestion  :thanks:  :hug:xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on November 21, 2008, 15:30:58 PM
The nurse is ringing up the manufacturers to ask. She also checked the VN forums - the main issue seems to be whether it works well or not, not whether it is safe, so may well be worth a try. Being Friday, don't suppose I can get it until monday or probably tuesday though which is a pity.  I also asked her to ask if Cystaid was worth a go or if this is too advanced a problem for that.
Many thanks for the suggestion  :thanks:  :hug:xx

From personal experience I've had fantastic results with Zylkene using it for stress, he'd sit and watch the fireworks this year for example. I really hope you can try it and it works I really do.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 21, 2008, 15:56:55 PM
just ordered a pack of 10, should be here tomorrow I hope. The company said that it was ok for CRF but they couldn't guarantee it would work. It's worth a try so thanks again xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 21, 2008, 16:38:23 PM
It doesn't do much for Charlie I'm afraid but it may help Swampy.  Hope so.  You can get it from Vetuk
x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 21, 2008, 20:40:33 PM
Evening hugs for all in the Swampy camp and wishes for a calm night  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 21, 2008, 22:54:55 PM
thanks and to you too  :hug:  I am just too scared to administer the vetergesic having read up on the common side effects. It may be one for when the vet is around although I'm sure he wouldn't have given it to me if he thought it was too dangerous. I'm wondering if I may give Swampy a tiny bit of valium to calm him as his night agitation has just started and he has no prospect of finding anything tonight, his circling is just too bad.  I gave him glucosamine in his meal as it apparently has the same active ingredient as Cystease but it hasn't as yet helped. Also think I may try another valerian but not sure that it works straight away.
Just after he pooed tonight he walked a little better and found his way out of the kitchen, but within a meter or 2 he was back to circling and stressing. Then when we cuddle him on the bed he is so calm and happy.
xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 21, 2008, 23:00:39 PM
I had vetergesic for Franta last week, cos metacam no good cos of kidney. He was only to be givem 0.1 mil.

Valium however was given to him twice by injection in last two weeks to make him eat and was told that the fiorst time he went crazy for the food bowls. Second time gave him much smaller dose and apart from making him agitated , no effect, so he was given more and eventaually he ate.

When we came home in the car he eventually quietened down but they wanted me to leave him for an hour with them so that the effects would lessen.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 21, 2008, 23:04:19 PM
I'd have to put it very slowly in his mouth to be absorbed by the membranes as can't inject him myself (the vetergesic). Did it make Franta breathe differently or hyper agitated? It says euphoria with mad purring, rubbing and pacing is common. That worries me a lot. Then again, if he is in pain that could be why he is circling.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 21, 2008, 23:19:53 PM
It was such a small dose for Franta i put it on his food rather than further stress him by trying to syringe, he woulkd have need to be restrained by wrapping in a towel.

As far as I know he ate it all cos I tried to put it on the jelly!  He showed no different effects after but he was already sleeping loads and this continued.

I do not know what doesage you have given but Frantas couldnt have been any smaller.

To be honest I dont think the pain that Swampy is feeling can be alleviated with painkillers, sorry  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 22, 2008, 06:23:32 AM
Oh Kate I wouldn't know about the meds so can't give you any advice there.  All I can give and Swampy is moral support and love and hugs
Hope you had an ok night in the circumstances.  When is your OH home again?  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sazkat2 on November 22, 2008, 10:05:00 AM
Sorry you are having a rough time  :hug:  Hope the meds improve him a little and you have a quiet day  :hug: Did you get the pm I sent you wasn't sure if it sent?  Loads of hugs

Sarah
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 22, 2008, 10:37:17 AM
Swampy had a tough night, lots of pacing and circling, but he did find his tray, more by luck than judgement though. OH got home yesterday evening and having left when Swampy was so much better he got a shock at how much he's gone back to what he was before.
Our feeling is we'll try the various meds to see if we can improve things in the next few days. But if he doesn't improve at all, it doesn't look good. What has changed is his stress seems worse. I did read that steroids do that especially if not always given at night in a cat. They haven't been and can't be because of the lag between doses. As the blood in his urine (which isn't much but is still there) has most likely been there quite a while, it seems logical that Swampy will deteriorate.
I just want to spend the weekend quietly with him as he still does love a cuddle and I will pass on messages and silly songs on to the top of his head to make him purr. xx  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 22, 2008, 10:42:26 AM
Pass on a message from me and Charlie we love you Swamps x
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 22, 2008, 16:54:51 PM
The Gang of 4 and me send their best wishes to Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 22, 2008, 19:17:46 PM
 :hug: thanks. Swampy's hardly slept today although he's been quite calm. I wonder if it's the Zylkene doing that? Normally he would sleep during the day.
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Post by: Teresa Pawcats on November 22, 2008, 19:59:52 PM
Just topping up the best wishes  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on November 22, 2008, 20:13:27 PM
Me and the minster furries are sening lots of love and good wishes for Swampy. :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 22, 2008, 22:37:35 PM
Don't know if it's the Zylkene hope it is having a positive calming effect on Swampy.  Hope you all have a quiet night  :hug:
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Post by: Cheesecat on November 22, 2008, 22:47:51 PM
Big hugs for Swampy and his loving meowmy  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 23, 2008, 11:47:39 AM
OH did last night and only had to get up once as Swampy finally decided that a night and a day without sleep was enough and he was so tired I think he didn't pee as often either. This morning he's still circling away but seems a bit calmer, he was in a good mood anyhow, so I've given him another dose of Zylkene and the 2 boys are out like a light in the igloo right now which is very sweet. Swampy's using Max's chest as a nice pillow. Their hottie leaked in the night (puppy pad in the igloo did a nice job) so I was worried he'd be unwell from lying in a bit of damp, but hope not as he's back in there now. xx

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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 23, 2008, 14:11:08 PM
SOunds good to me Kate.  x
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 23, 2008, 15:47:49 PM
That does sound like a bit of good news.  Glad he has decided to sleep bless him  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 23, 2008, 20:37:15 PM
Hope you all had a restful day and that sleeping in the daytime does not mean Mr Swampy will be up half the night.  Hope you have a good night x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 23, 2008, 21:51:42 PM
thanks! xx  I think he may well be up quite a bit as today he just decided was Igloo Dwelling Day. Nice to see him peacefully sleeping and it doesn't half help when Max joins him - when Max isn't igloo dwelling, Swampy relaxes less, tends to lie on his tum with his head straight down and looks uncomfortable. When Max is there they curl up in a ball together and snore. I love it.  :hug: to everyone and hope everyone and their furry purries are keeping warm tonight now that winter's really here.
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on November 24, 2008, 00:10:13 AM
Sending sleep vibes for Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 24, 2008, 07:14:43 AM
Topping up the Swampy vibes this morning   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on November 24, 2008, 08:50:57 AM
More vibes from us  :hug: :hug: :hug:

How's Swamps today?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 24, 2008, 09:04:20 AM
Hope all is well in Swampy land - know it's probably a silly question but have you got Feliway diffusers and spray?  x :hug:
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Post by: clarenmax on November 24, 2008, 09:52:10 AM
Sending over some more Swampy vibes  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 24, 2008, 10:43:22 AM
I've not used feliway for a while. Maybe I should plug one in again. He had his Zyklene today in his food. He was crying for food as he had his steroids last night and it's colder. OH did last night and only had 2 interruptions - I've worked out why. The minx Max always sleeps next to me, leaving Swampy alone in the igloo. When OH sleeps in here, Max takes to the igloo and spends the night with Swampy, which he finds calming. Not much I can do about that as Max won't take kindly to being put in the igloo. Again Swampy found the tray once in the night and needed help once too. Poor OH as Swampy pooed at 6.30pm so we thought at least that stress would be absent last night, but no - another need to go at 2.30am.....He's gone to sleep now though. They are both keeping warm in the igloo. That bed was the best thing I ever bought as it's his refuge. It's so old now (it went to SA with us , back to France and back here) that its label says "made in England" !  I think I got it for him during his first winter with us when he was a teeny little brown thing xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 24, 2008, 11:25:54 AM
Bless.  My Dragan (RIP) had a furry house which was his refuge and he virtually lived in it the last three days of his life.  Hope Swamp has a well day
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 24, 2008, 22:25:59 PM
Just popped on to wish you a peaceful and restful night  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 25, 2008, 06:13:41 AM
Good morning to you all, hope you had as good night and Swamps is feeling as well as he can this morning
 :hug:
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 25, 2008, 08:22:14 AM
Morning hope you and Swampy have a good day today x  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 25, 2008, 10:32:27 AM
another day and another worry. Swampy slept like a log last night, with a break at 1.30 to puke up the dry food he found (stupid me left a little of Max's down by mistake) and at 3.30 for a drink. But he just would not wee, despite his last one being at 10 last night. I was sure he was going to wee at 3.30 but no, he just trotted back to his igloo and snored the rest of the night - not done that before and I'm pretty sure he's still got his cystitis.
This morning at 6 he woke up all grumpy and I managed to persuade him to wee a bit at about 6.30. I'm worried that he's forgetting to go or has confusion as that how it seemed - of course the vet sent me an article to read on dementia last night and I duly replied that thankfully Swampy's moments of confusion were unusual, mostly he was just stressed.
I hope I'm just being neurotic but am very worried - it ties in with the heavy sleeping the last 2 days too. I've got to go give him more steroids now poor love.

Trying to organise blood tests for this week too, if he will allow his blood to be taken as he very well might not. Vet insists he must shave his leg and take the blood with Swampy on the table, which is a BAD idea. It may just work on the futon.....or not. I really would like to know the state of his general, underlying health as we continue with his palliative care.

please send good, 4 hourly wee vibes! xx  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on November 25, 2008, 10:45:26 AM
Poor swamps

More vibes for you all  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 25, 2008, 10:48:50 AM
just got a little wee after his steroids but I had to take him out of his comfy bed to the tray. I think I'm going to have to leave a little of his previous wee in the tray to stimulate his nose when he gets near and remind him to wee. Not too great for tray hygiene though is it.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 25, 2008, 13:28:38 PM
Sod the tray hygeine Kate!!!!  Four hourly wee wishes coming your way
 :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on November 25, 2008, 13:31:01 PM
Hugs to swampy x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 25, 2008, 16:35:21 PM
6 hours now and he's still refusing. He's not going to the tray and squatting and not producing anything but he's just not interested in going. I take him and he just walks away. I know he must need to go, he has eaten his wet food today with a teaspoon of water in it each time and up until yesterday he was going every 4 hours or so. It seems there's nothing I can do. I'm going to email the vet; I called and he's not there and may only be able to come around on Friday. I just don't know how worried to be.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 25, 2008, 18:42:57 PM
Oh Kate.  Poor Swampy, and poor you, you must be so tired.   :hug: 
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 25, 2008, 19:09:04 PM
Poor poor Swampy xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 25, 2008, 19:42:56 PM
Vet's nurse thinks it could be the meds - the Zyklene and glucosamine plus the ongoing antibiotics and she told me not to worry too much as long as he is going sometimes. Since I last was on here he's done a little wee after a lot of persuasion and several 1/2 hourly visits to the 'other' tray, he then chose the lounge one. So twice today. I hope it's nothing, he's perky when awake and not in any visible discomfort at the moment but it's quite a change. Please hope for him that it's just a good sign, not another bad one xx  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 25, 2008, 20:17:45 PM
I never heard of Zylkene affecting weeing.  Still if he is going some at least that is better than none.  Fingers crossed.  Just keep your eye on him - as if you don't.

Fingers crossed he does a big one soon and that you all have a quiet night :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 25, 2008, 21:44:49 PM
One other thing is that he is sleeping a lot more too. I don't know if the 2 are related but maybe they are. I also don't know if he's sleeping more because he's more sick or it's the winter weather. When he is awake, he seems cheerful enough and hasn't been circling too badly. Just doesn't want to use the tray!
I just hope Swampy will do a nice whizz for me before I settle down for the night. At the moment he's snoring in his igloo. I think I'll try again around 11. Hope everyone has a good night too xx  :hug:  :hug:


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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 25, 2008, 22:12:21 PM
Probably the weather, Charlie is sleeping more at the moment.  Night night  :hug:  Big wee for mum please Swamps.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 25, 2008, 22:45:27 PM
thank goodness, one just arrived in the tray - I was so pleased I just had to share the wizz news with you! xx
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Post by: bunglycat on November 25, 2008, 22:53:50 PM
Really pleased -hope you get a good night now -big :hug: :hug: :hug: to Swampy.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 26, 2008, 07:00:19 AM
 :)   Sending a gentle morning ear rub for Swampy
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 26, 2008, 07:26:35 AM
Excellent now here's to a good day with enough wees and less worries for you  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 26, 2008, 10:16:07 AM
He managed 2 little wees in the night and a poo this morning all by reaching the tray himself, so perhaps it was a temporary thing. Mind you I don't know how he managed in the night as he woke me with a loud protest miaow at 10 to 3 for a teaspoon of food and was very manic and wobbly on his legs - and then Max (who is in my Good Books today) went into the igloo with him for once so I got a couple of hours sleep as Max calmed him down. It's amazing how that first eyebrow snog just calms him right down.

I'll know about 12 if the vet's coming today or not.  If not may have to try to wait until monday as don't fancy friday bloods being posted to the lab, plus friday's a 10.30am steroid dose so he has to eat after that. Today he last ate at 9.40 which isn't ideal either.
Do you know just how much higher the kidney and liver values are if there's no fasting involved? (up until recently all Swampy's blood tests were done on an empty tum for better accuracy).

they are zzzzing and lovely happy snores are coming from the igloo and I send some dark brown ones on to all of you xx  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 26, 2008, 12:12:46 PM
Things sound a little better today I glad x  Hope you all have a calm afternoon and night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 26, 2008, 13:24:48 PM
The vet just came around for a good visit. He followed my suggestion and took blood easily from Swampy's neck on the futon. Swampy didn't see him coming and was so much more relaxed than being put on a table. The vet got a wee sample out of him too. He thinks Swampy is probably anaemic and is worried about his kidneys but apart from that he now thinks it's brain stem lesions and agrees that we must keep him calm.
So I have a nervous couple of days to wait for the results as the courier has already been today so it will get to the lab tomorrow. (aka let's see if Fortekor works or not....).
If Swampy is anaemic, I have to give him a sub Q injection - he showed me how (nervous??? me?????!!!!) and I'll have to manage. He also says he's emailed the insurance company and so we are waiting to hear back.

Little one wouldn't eat much just now as is recovering from the assault, but I hope he'll eat better later on. He was really quite good as he managed back from the tray via the futon to his igloo quite easily. Each time the vet visits he doesn't circle much, so I told the vet to come around every day!
I'm doing deep breathing on the test results. He got enough for everything to be tested this time.

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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 26, 2008, 14:15:39 PM
Good boy Swamps.  Glad to hear he has done so well.  Fingers, toes, eyes and everything crossed for good results.  Have a lovely day all of you (well as lovely as is possible)  :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on November 26, 2008, 15:17:19 PM
*hugs* for Swampy.

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Post by: sazkat2 on November 27, 2008, 07:43:04 AM
Glad the vet came and managed to get all he needed for tests  :hug: At least you should be able to get some answers when the results come back and he can be treated for whatever they find  :hug:  Massive hugs for you all and hope you have had a good night. Hope you have a nice day together and Swampy isn't circling too much  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 27, 2008, 07:58:44 AM
Good morning Swampy camp hope you all had a restful night and enjoy a calm day :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 27, 2008, 11:39:34 AM
I'm a bit bleary eyed today, only about 1 hour's sleep. Swampy was up at 3 and a bit agitated and nervy including this morning, so circling more than yesterday. Harder to get a purr than normal and grumpy when I gave him his tablets. Possibly the vit B injection's effect. I'm nervy too, very worried about those test results, was all going through my head last night. He's now sleeping in the igloo, he came out but I put him back and he settled again. Thanks again for caring xx

Just spoke to one of the nurses. they are going to run a toxoplasmosis test (long shot but it can cause brain problems) with the others. She said that 'some of his urine tests were quite high' which is not good, but he wants to wait for the blood tests to come back before giving me the whole picture of just how bad it all is.
Don't have to tell you how nervous I am.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 27, 2008, 11:47:42 AM
We all love and care about Swampy on here.  Sorry you had a rough night.  Hope he calms and settles. Try not to stress too much (difficult I know) as he will pick up on your vibes.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 27, 2008, 11:51:13 AM
 :hug:  I know I must try; it's just harder on no sleep really. It's not as if I don't know that he's very ill, but you always hope against hope don't you that the tests won't be too bad or it will be treatable.
Silly old brebis off to make 5th cup of tea of the day xx  :hug: to you. (don't suppose Zyklene works on old sheep does it?!)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 27, 2008, 12:21:34 PM
Of course you do and there is no reason not to hope at the moment.  Try and have a nice relaxing day - dunno about the Zylkene  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 27, 2008, 13:58:57 PM
can't remember now which thread was also discussing Zylkene (for felines, not their mums!) and prices - I just found it cheaper in packets of 10 as I don't want to order 100 as am still on a trial basis - they seem only to come in 10s or 100s. Hope it's ok to post - if not, please remove it as no harm intended, just trying to save a bit of cash. http://www.vets-drugs-direct.com/shop/search.asp.

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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 27, 2008, 14:26:54 PM
If Swampy is anaemic, I have to give him a sub Q injection - he showed me how (nervous??? me?????!!!!) and I'll have to manage.

You'll be fine, its a bit nerve wracking the first time you do it but it gets easier. I used to give Suzie subQ fluids every day, scarey at first, but soon got into the swing.  :hug: When will you get the test results?
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 27, 2008, 14:37:03 PM
Possibly tonight if the lab isn't at all busy, probably tomorrow night or else saturday morning. I just really want to know by the weekend.  Swampy is noticeably weaker than a week ago and as his urine test isn't good and he was already a bit anaemic before all this saga, I am sure he is very anaemic and am stressing like crazy. The sub Q injection will have to be fine. The liquid (laurabolin, an anabolic steroid) is thick like honey though so the needle is not the thinnest.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 27, 2008, 18:57:52 PM
I feel for you Kate when is it all going to stop I wonder?  Poor Swamps one thing after another.  Hope the test results get to the bottom of it and it is something easily rectified.  Hope too that you have a restful night as I am sure you all need it after last night  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 28, 2008, 07:30:52 AM
Good morning to the Swampy camp.  Hope you all had a good night and things are good for you today  :hug:
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Post by: sazkat2 on November 28, 2008, 09:26:24 AM
Morning hope you have all had a quiet night  :hug:  I agree with Gillian you will be fine with the injection once you have done it a few times.  When I was working at the rescue I had to inject a diabetic cat and I have a massive fear of needles.  I was terrified the first time I did it but it got so much easier  :hug:  Hoping you get the results back quickly so you get some answers.  Good luck for a peaceful day today  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 28, 2008, 11:06:42 AM
Suppose I am my own worst enemy as I didn't sleep - worrying. Swampy didn't get me up but during the night he started walking straight again and he found everything including walking up 5 stairs to locate Max's 'hidden' dry food (nasty mark on carpet now). He had his last antibiotic yesterday morning, so possibly they helped him at first for 6 days, then didn't or made him feel bad and now he's off, there's a 'good' spike as well. Of course not sure how long it will last but at least seeing him stride quite fast across the lounge in the night was just great.
Vet will call when he has the results.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 28, 2008, 11:11:22 AM
That sounds good news.  Hope he has a good day and you get the results soon.  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on November 28, 2008, 11:12:37 AM
Sending lots more hugs for Swampy today - glad he is having a good day! ;D
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 28, 2008, 20:56:26 PM
have to wait for tomorrow for the results. Swampy was fine up until early evening, since when he's been pacing a lot and unable to relax and just sleep. Hope he doesn't do that all night - he must be very tired by now.
good night to all xx  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 29, 2008, 10:30:44 AM
Hope he managed to settle and you all got some sleep.  Hope, too that  you have a restful and calm day and get your results  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 29, 2008, 10:32:05 AM
Something's happened in the night as he started circling really badly in the other direction (left) again. I rang the vets and hope to speak to him at lunchtime with the results. We have to try something to help him, as he was even circling this morning on the futon and couldn't get off it, let alone find his tray. He was so good yesterday, it's just such a rollercoaster and so unpredictable. What I do know is that it's not just 'a bad day' with tomorrow better (the vet thinks a bit like this); I know we need some kind of intervention - more antibiotics, painkiller, something - to help stabilise him if he's this bad, which he has been before and had it turned around. Please send best vibes for something to help him. Vet will probably ring me around 1pm I think after his surgery.  :hug: xx
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 29, 2008, 12:07:13 PM
Hope the vet can help, sending positive vibes  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 29, 2008, 13:50:39 PM
he's back on antibiotics just in case. His white count is a bit up (it usually is though because he has chronic herpes) but as he was on antibiotics when the sample was taken and has deteriorated, vet sees no harm in another week of them. His CRF is the same  - moderate - urea 15.8 and creatinine 273 but phosphorus still normal; but he is anaemic so I have to give him the laurabolin anabolic steroid injection first thing on monday am. Vet thinks we should wait until then in case of unforeseen neuro side effects a few hours afterwards. His urine SG is still 1.014, unchanged so Fortekor isn't giving him better readings, but they are stable from the last test in october.
So the vet thinks what is happening is hard to say why stuff, neuro and so we just hope and pray that Swampy's brain can adjust to 'better' settings again asap. I had to put him in the tray a while ago and his head was going all over the place and he was a bit wobbly while he crouched. It's so hard not to show him how upset I get when I see him like that. Anyhow the Zylkene has (I hope) allowed him a few restful hours in the igloo.
 :blow kiss: :grouphug:

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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 29, 2008, 15:37:10 PM
It's heartbreaking to see how bad he is today, after being so much better as recently as yesterday. I just had to help him and carry him to the tray and gently hold him as he's wobbly and if he walks, the circles are so tight that he loses his balance. His head is going side to side and he is so dizzy. He can't stay like this, but given what's happened before, we have to give him a few days and try things to see if anything helps. I know I keep asking as it's one crisis, then it eases a bit, then another one, but please do send your prayers and vibes to Swampy this weekend. xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 29, 2008, 17:22:16 PM
Poor poor Swampy, what is going on with him.  Come on Swamps your aunty Chrissie is sending you all positive thoughts and hugs and everything she can think of to help you.   :hug:
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Post by: Sabrina (Auferstehen) on November 29, 2008, 18:40:57 PM
 :hug: to the both of you.

Come on Swamp we're all here for you and sending you hope.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 29, 2008, 18:50:28 PM
Praying that Swampys suffering ends soon
Big kiss for the brave boy xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 29, 2008, 19:21:03 PM
 :hug: thanks. I'm not doing too well, just not sure how many more times he can fight back. Spent most of the afternoon watching my little brown ears sleep and not too good in stopping the tears. I know life's unfair but these neuro illnesses are just so cruel, as he was so good yesterday and is such a sad little man today it breaks my heart and I just don't know how I am going to cope without him. He's always been there for me, through some very difficult times, and brought me through with his love and the terribly deep bond we have. Sorry, but I know that on here you understand. On here I'm not alone in building my life and decisions around a overwhelmingly loved little one, which in the 'real ' world people just don't understand.
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Post by: Sabrina (Auferstehen) on November 29, 2008, 19:30:36 PM
 :hug:

Hope things improve.

We are all therefore you no matter what. As a burmese owner I know just how special these little terrors are.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 29, 2008, 19:41:04 PM
Oh Kate  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 29, 2008, 20:00:01 PM
:hug: thanks. I'm not doing too well, just not sure how many more times he can fight back. Spent most of the afternoon watching my little brown ears sleep and not too good in stopping the tears. I know life's unfair but these neuro illnesses are just so cruel, as he was so good yesterday and is such a sad little man today it breaks my heart and I just don't know how I am going to cope without him. He's always been there for me, through some very difficult times, and brought me through with his love and the terribly deep bond we have. Sorry, but I know that on here you understand. On here I'm not alone in building my life and decisions around a overwhelmingly loved little one, which in the 'real ' world people just don't understand.

Kate i think we have all been there, wondering how on earth we will cope without one of our babies  :hug:
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Post by: Millys Mum on November 29, 2008, 20:07:00 PM
Best wishes for you and Swampy, its never an easy decision, George had neuro problems so i understand how hard it is with them seeming ok one day and not the next   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: JackSpratt on November 29, 2008, 20:29:05 PM
:hug: thanks. I'm not doing too well, just not sure how many more times he can fight back. Spent most of the afternoon watching my little brown ears sleep and not too good in stopping the tears. I know life's unfair but these neuro illnesses are just so cruel, as he was so good yesterday and is such a sad little man today it breaks my heart and I just don't know how I am going to cope without him. He's always been there for me, through some very difficult times, and brought me through with his love and the terribly deep bond we have. Sorry, but I know that on here you understand. On here I'm not alone in building my life and decisions around a overwhelmingly loved little one, which in the 'real ' world people just don't understand.

Kate i think we have all been there, wondering how on earth we will cope without one of our babies  :hug:

Definitely. You have to recognise you loved them and hopefully made their life as happy as it could possibly have been while they were with you. I still miss my bridge babies and always will. :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 29, 2008, 22:14:35 PM
Just popped back to wish you a peaceful night.  Hugs for you all, come on Swampy boy. :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on November 29, 2008, 22:44:03 PM
Big  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all there and all the get well vibes in the world for Swampy - hope he has a better day tomorrow .
Hope you all have a restful night .
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Post by: Mark on November 29, 2008, 23:00:51 PM
Kate, just wishing you and Swampy the best - whatever that is for you  :hug:
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Post by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on November 29, 2008, 23:24:57 PM
Sorry to hear Swampy is not doing well.

Sending big hugs to you all and calming vibes to Swampy.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 30, 2008, 09:41:57 AM
Morning how's our favourite boy been overnight?  Settled I hope.  Sending positive thoughts for a calm day  :hug:
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on November 30, 2008, 10:27:57 AM
It is so very hard to face life without them, but the decision has to be made for them, not us, and even if he fights back now, how long will he have, and what quality? This is what I had to think with PEbbles, as her issues were getting more frequent and each one was worse, and I couldnt' have lived with myself if I had pushed her her to get through her last battle, but then the next one was so much worse - we had no idea what was causing it, like you dont, which makes it harder, but I couldnt see her keep suffering because I wanted to keep her.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 30, 2008, 12:35:45 PM
Sorry he's not been doing so well Kate  :hug: hope he's stabilised a bit this morning.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 30, 2008, 12:48:47 PM
Swampy's just woken up. He ate well today but is still very circly. We love  - and respect - him more than anything and will do what is best for him. Always. The vet said to be able to look back and know that you did the right thing, not to have any doubts. Swampy has a strong will to live and was a lot better very recently - the vet said he could stay like this, or it could be a bad few days. I've just had a mega purr session with him and he's calm at present with his head moving less. We'll see once he starts to move.

My life without him will be empty. That's not the basis for any part of this decision though.
 :hug: everyone xx :hug:


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Post by: sazkat2 on November 30, 2008, 13:26:44 PM
 :hug: Sending loads of hugs and purrsss Kate x
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 30, 2008, 16:30:01 PM
Me too x
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Post by: Kirst on November 30, 2008, 16:30:30 PM
Im so sorry to read Swampy has taken a turn for the worst. We all on here know how hard it is to say goodbye , praying that this is just a blip with Swampy and that time hasnt come for you just yet. :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 30, 2008, 17:03:20 PM
thanks for your support again  :hug:

most of the time he's on the futon or in his igloo and is a happy little fellow. Just when he needs to move or has an hour or two of manic pacing (either from his brain or the steroids) that he has problems. As it's not consistent suffering ie he's not visibly unhappy all the time it's so difficult. But we will see how he gets on - and I have to give him his laurabolin injection tomorrow which could make things better or worse.  There's still the painkiller to put in his mouth too - the vet told me he's given me a very small dose and to not worry to give it if I think the bad circling is from pain, not from brain pressure (eg from the cystitis).  The most difficult thing is that he doesn't get to see the vet very often and so the whole treatment is telephone based to a large extent. That's why I was so relieved he was seen during the week. (having a good day at the time).
So far the antibiotics haven't made a difference but it was worth a try as his white count's up.

Btw the insurance co wrote me a weird letter saying they may or may not pay for home visits but they'll decide each time.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 30, 2008, 21:25:31 PM
My vet told me with Dragan that if the good days outweigh the bad days it's ok to go on.  Hope Swampy's good days outweigh his bad and hope you all have a good night tonight x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 30, 2008, 21:30:17 PM
thanks so much, I needed that.  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:  :hug: and one more for good measure  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on November 30, 2008, 22:08:25 PM
 :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 01, 2008, 10:13:37 AM
done the laurabolin injection, I hope properly phew. He was calm last night and this morning so hope that doesn't change. Still circling a lot but when he's calmer sometimes the circles get bigger or he manages a metre on the right track. So we keep hoping and praying basically.
lots of purrs at 5am in  my arms. Lovely.  :hug:  :hug: to all.
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Post by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on December 01, 2008, 10:34:53 AM
 :hug:
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Post by: sazkat2 on December 01, 2008, 11:06:59 AM
Hope u all have a good day.  At least u have got the injection out of the way it must have been worrying you  :hug:  Massive hugs for you all xx
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Post by: clarenmax on December 01, 2008, 11:52:13 AM
Hi Kate, I understand how terribly hard this must be for you and your family, when Swampy has his good days it must seem like a glimmer of hope. 

However, I can no longer read this thread without becoming terribly upset, I know we are looking 'from the outside' as it were, but to me it seems that all his days have suffering, its just some have a little less than others.... 

For me, I would find it hearbreaking if Max were in this sitution, and that the only times he was happy was when he was asleep or not moving around.  I would not think he had any quality of life, and if that is the case, then who's benefit is all of this for?

Nobody can tell you what to do Kate hunnie, and please don't think for one second that I'm trying to sway your decision in any way, I'm truly not.    I just find it so heartbreaking to hear of Swampy in this state 

I'm sorry, please do not take this the wrong way, I just had to post in case you wonder why I'm not adding my daily dose of support and hugs as I was before xx

Edited to add, I really don't want you to think that I don't care, I think perhaps I care too much, when we hear of poorly furbabes on Purrs its almost like they are one of our own, does that make sense?
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Post by: Leanne on December 01, 2008, 14:28:29 PM
More hugs and vibes for you all today  :hug: :hug: :hug:

How is swamps today?
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 01, 2008, 14:57:39 PM
Hi Clare and everyone, I do understand and I promise you that as soon as we are sure he has had enough, then that is it. By describing it all, I didn't mean to upset others and I'm sorry as I know how many of you have your own struggles too. I'm just pretty isolated and offloading on here is such a big help to me.

Swampy is quite a bit better today. He has eaten really well and walked about, often in straight lines. He is sleeping peacefully and has had lots of purrs. A couple of days ago when I posted how upset I was, he was a lot worse. If that is all there is for him or even if most days are like that,  then there is no hope.   But he's a real fighter and hasn't lost his will to live, which is very strong. The vet also doesn't think that a little bit of circling, when the rest is fine, is making him suffer. I know the vet so well now; I also know from my neighbour with her beloved cat, that he speaks his mind openly when he does think that it is time. All I can say is that I would rather throw myself out the window than have him suffer. He is very ill and doesn't have long, but I don't want to cheat him out of the good days he has left, if that makes sense. The vet didn't expect him to survive his accident - he told me that only a cat that really was determined to live would have made it through that night. And he brought Swampy into the room 24 hours after the accident with a look of amazement on his face and said "look, he's walking and seems strong. This is one amazing little cat". Perhaps if you knew Swampy for real, you'd understand.  I promise that he's not being made to suffer days on end so that we can be with him for longer.
I am respecting his will to live and giving him palliative care. I can't put him to sleep while he is still having good days and a quality of life. It would be wrong. If people don't want me to post any more, then I won't.


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Post by: bunglycat on December 01, 2008, 15:03:48 PM
Hi,
I am sure you ar doing the right thing -i would be doing exactly the same if it were one of my cats .
Big :hug: :hug: to you and the amazing Swampy - hope he carries on having good days .
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Post by: sheryl on December 01, 2008, 15:09:00 PM
Dont stop posting Hun, you are doing what you feel it right for your Boy and I am sure that your love for him is strong enough that when you know the time is right and he has had enough you will do what you have to do.

Take care - love. huggles and positive vibes for the brave Swampy xxx
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Post by: Dawn F on December 01, 2008, 15:13:16 PM
I don't think you should stop posting Kate and I don't think that was what Clare meant - the fact that so many of us feel so strongly for people we have in most cases never met and their pets is for me a sign that all is not lost for humanity  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 01, 2008, 15:33:31 PM
I know that everyone just wants what is best for Swampy.  I have always done and will always do what's best for him.
 :hug: xx

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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 01, 2008, 16:36:18 PM
You best not stop posting I need my daily updates good or bad and you need support from us - glad he is having a better day  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 01, 2008, 16:46:05 PM
Clare do you think it doesn't upset everyone of us who reads it?  What about the days when he plays with Max, and climbs the stairs and pinches food and climbs on the bed?  I am sorry but your post has annoyed me if you can't take the upset then don't read the post.
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on December 01, 2008, 16:48:43 PM
Clare  - I also class Purrs furkids as my own  :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on December 01, 2008, 16:57:51 PM
I think we all do Gail - we laugh and smile at the fun and good times and cry at the sad and bad times.  I know that I for one would have really struggled to get through some of the sad times without you all.
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Post by: Janeyk on December 01, 2008, 17:00:10 PM
I think we all do  :hug: and I think alot of people feel the same as Clare, I too find it difficult to read so I tend to skim read and now don't post - not because I don't care.  What I do now is just respect that I am not there with Swampy and only hope for the best outcome for him xx
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Post by: clarenmax on December 01, 2008, 17:01:07 PM
Clare do you think it doesn't upset everyone of us who reads it?  What about the days when he plays with Max, and climbs the stairs and pinches food and climbs on the bed?  I am sorry but your post has annoyed me if you can't take the upset then don't read the post.

Which is why I've said to Kate that I won't be responding on here any more....  

I'm only responding to you now on here as I think you have totally read my thread out of context, if you read it properly, you will see that I care deeply for Kate and Swampy, and to keep reading it does upset me, hence why I feel I can't add to it any more.  

If you have an issue with my post, I would prefer if you kept it off this thread and PM me, as getting angry at my opinion is not going help anyone, is it?
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Post by: sazkat2 on December 01, 2008, 17:10:22 PM
Sent u a PM Kate xxx  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 01, 2008, 17:12:04 PM
I know you all care and I thank you all so very much as without your support, not sure how I would have coped, or would cope. Sometimes I feel like I am going to explode; there's no-one to talk to or no-one who remotely understands, except on here.  My GP for eg, told me to look after myself, and give up on 'the cat' as my health isn't that great. Your support is so needed, especially when things aren't going well. So I have to post what's not going well or not post at all. Sometimes it's to get things off my chest and sometimes I need feedback on how to do something.
The last thing I want to do is to upset anyone. Things are so difficult already, I am really tired and I am determined that I will do what is best and right for Swampy.

big hugs to you all from the bottom of my heart and I am sure, Swampy's too.  :grouphug:

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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on December 01, 2008, 17:17:26 PM
Clare do you think it doesn't upset everyone of us who reads it?  What about the days when he plays with Max, and climbs the stairs and pinches food and climbs on the bed?  I am sorry but your post has annoyed me if you can't take the upset then don't read the post.

And your post has now annoyed me !!!

I feel that Clares post was written with love and was gentle and kind, none of what she wrote was said with any malice
and she has said that she feels she cannot continue to read this thread so you dont have to be so nasty

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Post by: sazkat2 on December 01, 2008, 17:26:43 PM
I don't think any of this is helping the situation and is probably causing more worry to Kate, who needs all our support at the moment.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I believe 1000% that Kate has Swamp's best interests at heart.  Please do not stop posting Kate we are here for u xxx :hug: 
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 01, 2008, 17:27:33 PM
I know everyone wants the best for little Swampy and no-one means anything with any malice or unkindness. Please could there be no arguments as things are tough enough and I just am on here for love and support for Swampy.  It's terribly important to me and to him.  :hug: xx
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Post by: JackSpratt on December 01, 2008, 17:55:02 PM
Exactly, it was read in the way it was intended as an open and honest response to the situation. Indeed, there was certainly no malice to the post and anyone that's ever read any other posts Clare has written should know that.

 :hug:

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Post by: bunglycat on December 01, 2008, 18:40:43 PM
Please keep posting Kate? I don''t contribute any help - but always send  :hug: :hug: :hug: and get well vibes to you all and i check Swampys progree at least twice a day .
I would be worried if i didn''t see any posts about the little fellow.
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Post by: Feline Costumier on December 01, 2008, 18:48:16 PM
I think we all do  :hug: and I think alot of people feel the same as Clare, I too find it difficult to read so I tend to skim read and now don't post - not because I don't care.  What I do now is just respect that I am not there with Swampy and only hope for the best outcome for him xx

This echoes my sentiments, I find it quite difficult and so just pop in and out to keep up with news. We are all entitled to our opinion, this is a public forum after all and NO-ONE should feel unable to post for any reason.
 
:hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 01, 2008, 21:49:56 PM
Love and hugs to the Swampy camp for a restful night  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on December 01, 2008, 22:13:27 PM
lots of love for Swampy and his family for a good nights sleep. :hug:

 
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Post by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on December 01, 2008, 22:39:10 PM
I feel like that too Clare, when one hurts we all do.

I do believe you know what your doing though Kate, you can see him with your own eyes, we cant. We can only go by what your telling us.

I understand why you need to hold onto him, I personailly could never let go. But we all know in our hearts what is right at the right time. I believe you will make the right and best decision when it's needed. I'm really feeling for you and seeing him how he is must break your heart.

We are here to support you so dont feel like you have to keep it to yourself, were here no matter what you decide cos we know it will be the right decision.

So sorry. Sending all my calming vibes to Swampy  :hug:

I know Clare did not mean any harm, I'm an over emotional person too and sometimes cant cope with what is going on in others lives, but we must remember it is not us going through the heartache and support the person who is wholeheartedly.

 :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 02, 2008, 08:24:38 AM
Morning Swampy peeps hope your night was peaceful and your day is cosy, warm, stress free and calm  :hug:
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on December 02, 2008, 08:38:26 AM
Mega love and kiss' to the Swampster today  :hug: :hug: xxxxxxxxxx
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Post by: Leanne on December 02, 2008, 09:24:24 AM
Lots of love to you all today  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 02, 2008, 10:18:42 AM
thank you  :hug:  Swampa had a reasonable night, has been ok this morning and is sensibly now well iglooed with da Max. Good walking, a bit of circling at one point, but generally calm and found his water fine twice. Long may it last! I have just found out his vet is going to be away overseas from 13th until I think after Xmas or maybe the New Year - I know that is still quite some days away so am doing my Paddysmum "one day at a time" deep breathing exercises.
 :hug: xx to all of you.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 02, 2008, 10:29:41 AM
Good to hear Kate.  re the vet perhaps he can make sure whoever is covering him is completely au fait with Swampy's details and the need to make home visits?  Hope the rest of the day is good for you all x
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Post by: sazkat2 on December 02, 2008, 10:45:58 AM
 :hug:  Lets hope u all have a good day xxx Hugs and purrsss xxxx
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on December 02, 2008, 11:12:33 AM
Think I might join Swampy in his igloo - it's bloomin freezing here.
Thai wouldnt move from the bed this morning - she had warmed a spot and there she was staying. As close to the radiator as possible.

Warms snuggles to Mr Swampy xxxxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 02, 2008, 21:26:01 PM
Just popping in with night time hugs xx
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 02, 2008, 22:08:59 PM
Glad he is calmer - hope you both have a good night.  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on December 02, 2008, 22:24:42 PM
Night Swampy xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 03, 2008, 10:02:49 AM
Bad SMMum forgot the antibiotics by 1/2 hour last night as I was a bit conked out - I know, I've been told to give them on the dot if possible. This morning I went back to the usual time. He's been up quite a bit in the night and we had one 'incident' at 3am when Max tried to playfight, which woke me and didn't go down well with Swampy who was resting and suddenly had a paw in his face. But by this morning he felt up to giving OH at least 8 chin lovebites - and he's now iglooed having been cross with me about giving him his pills. The laurabolin hasn't helped his appetite, maybe a bit the opposite.
I booked a home visit for next week before the vet goes away (until 7 Jan), as if I don't book it now he will be too busy unless it's an emergency. I just hope that the locum is good and gentle.

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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 03, 2008, 13:14:20 PM
My first chance to check on our little pal today.  Lol I can understand him being cross at the paw in his face.  Naugthy Max.  Hope his day goes well and good idea re the vet visit.  xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 03, 2008, 16:04:23 PM
not the greatest photo, but here are the 2 of them in their igloo:

(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/IMG_4066.jpg)
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on December 03, 2008, 16:07:50 PM
 :Luv2: :Luv2: what a lovely photo ying and yang
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 03, 2008, 16:45:50 PM
yes, they either lie yinyang or Swampy uses Max's (ahem) ample tum for a pillow. As for vids, which take soooo long to upload, here's a short one of my littly (bald tummied vampire) to turn up the speakers for as well. Taken earlier today on the futon.
(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/th_MVI_4037.jpg) (http://s330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/?action=view&current=MVI_4037.flv)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 03, 2008, 17:26:55 PM
I have gone all warm inside sigh
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 03, 2008, 18:35:04 PM
:)  Max is feeling left out - he's a jealous wee boy and Swampy is of course getting so much attention with his battle. I took this one of our Max recently; he is quite bonkers sometimes (when awake: he is 15 and sleeps most of the time). I think he had just seen something on the telly he'd reacted to. Swampy's thread, but here's his little bro' too. Swamp has just de-iglooed so must go and see what he wants.  :hug: xx
 (http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/IMG_4062.jpg)
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Post by: pappilon on December 03, 2008, 20:08:06 PM
I havent been here for months, i am so sorry for what hapeened to Swampy.

Sending you lots of  :hug:

Their picture together looks  :Luv: :Luv2:
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Post by: Baggy on December 03, 2008, 21:47:30 PM
Such a wonderful purr.  Glad that things seem to have settled a little again.  :hug:
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Post by: hannah (weeny) on December 03, 2008, 21:49:51 PM
both gorgeous boys  :Luv:  love that purr...   :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 03, 2008, 21:51:31 PM
Love the expression on Max's face.  Positive thoughts for a peaceful and warm night for you all  :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on December 03, 2008, 22:04:39 PM
Oh they are both absolutely gorgeous.......and looking at that photo at the two of them together I can truly see WHY you have fought so long and so hard to keep Swampy with his buddy. :Luv2:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 04, 2008, 08:03:38 AM
Good morning to you all - hope your night was good and that your day will be too. :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 04, 2008, 11:21:16 AM
Swamp's tum's not too good today. He did an unexpected nasty this morning early and is off his food. The vet's told me to give him bland food, but he will only eat k/d or a bit of senior turkey pate - he had a few licks at the i/d and went 'no'. I hope I'm doing the right thing - I've just let him eat a little of what he WILL eat (he's not eaten more than a few teaspoons anyhow today)?  I don't know what's brought this on, as last night he pooed a mega one (sorry folks), so this morning's one was an indicator that his tum's not well - prob pill related but he's been on the same pills for a while now.
He won't eat chicken or boiled fish, egg etc either. I have to try to get something down him after his pills so didn't want to leave him with no food at all, but he's now had the last lot until tonight. He's supposed to have glucosamine (for his cystitis) in his food this afternoon too, so that may be in a gelatine capsule as well if he won't eat, poor wee boy.




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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 04, 2008, 12:22:41 PM
Have you got any RC sensitive wet food?  It's a good standby when tummies are off.  Poor boy.  Sometimes the meds work against each other in terms of tolerance.  Hope it settles down soon.  Big hug to Swampy and big hug to his family too xxxx
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Post by: Kirst on December 04, 2008, 12:28:43 PM
Oh poor Swampy , hope his tummy feels better soon. :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on December 04, 2008, 12:29:39 PM
Poor swamps, hope is back on his food soon

 :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on December 04, 2008, 13:18:53 PM
Have you got any RC sensitive wet food?  It's a good standby when tummies are off.  Poor boy.  Sometimes the meds work against each other in terms of tolerance.  Hope it settles down soon.  Big hug to Swampy and big hug to his family too xxxx

Was gonig to say RC sensitivity control - Zebedee had this when he had a dodgy tum when he was a kitten.

FABULOUS photo of the two of them   :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:. Max's face on the other photo ;D
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 04, 2008, 15:19:56 PM
thanks  :hug:  Actually the vet won't let him have the RC unless nothing else goes in at all as it's high in phosphorus and he's worried by the kidneys/bit of blood in urine, but if things go downhill I think the vet may have some in stock. I have a whole tray of i/d kept from before they changed the formula 'just in case' which now of course he's not used to so no longer likes! He's got terribly conservative, sticking to his routines. What I have got is diarsanyl to gum him up if things get runny - don't want to do that unless I have to either as his tum feels a bit hard today. He ate 2 teaspoons of k/d and one of Max's turkey yuk (smelly) at lunchtime and has had a wander, so I hope that he'll pick up later with no more tum explosions. Hottie topped up and re-iglooed now and I can hear soft snores. Max's tum's the pillow today xx  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 04, 2008, 18:00:26 PM
He somehow found Max's dry again and had a nibble, so must be feeling a bit better (or steroids working). But does anyone know if it is safe to give more than 1 capsule Zylkene a day as I'd like to add another 1/2 to his food tonight as he's done a bit of right hand circling, which I need to try to stop getting worse (stress related). The product's a new one on the vet and Schering are closed until tomorrow. Swampy weighs somewhere between 4.5kgs and 5kgs; normal dose is 1 capsule as per the internet blurb. But it's not a drug, but a supplement but suppose it could upset his tum? thanks if anyone knows.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 04, 2008, 23:00:17 PM
But it's not a drug, but a supplement but suppose it could upset his tum? thanks if anyone knows.

I suppose it could upset his tum - Zylkene is made from a protein found in milk, so I don't know whether thats significant or not.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 05, 2008, 06:50:15 AM
Doseage is 1 capsule or cats up to 5kg and two for cats over that weight so depending on Swamps weight I wouldn't give him more than the advised dose until speaking to your vet.  Hope he settled and had a good night.  and that your day is calm  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 05, 2008, 07:15:01 AM
Topping up Swampy cuddles for today from me and Paddy.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on December 05, 2008, 08:39:06 AM
just  sending Swampy lots of love and kiss' for a lovey restful day  :hug: :hug: Have a good one handsome lad xxxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 05, 2008, 10:21:04 AM
morning everyone  :hug:
Gillian, that was my thinking (milk based) so I've asked the vets to call Schering as the calming effects do help a bit I think. Swampy's tum isn't great and that's causing him to circle a bit back to the right again. I'm sure that it's from his tum not feeling quite right - his poo this am was less toxic and more normal coloured than last night (sorry! but yesterdays were lighter for some reason). He's also been for a little wander down the passage and had a bite of green plant, both up on the enjoyment scale. After doing those, he circled less and found his water more easily. Shows how important it is to keep him calm and happy.

But I need to help his tum. I'm giving a little yoghurt but suppose the antibiotics just nuke it. I thought of slippery elm bark and we have a german health shop not too far from here I can go to today, but I've read that SEB can help constipation - I certainly didn't want to make him go even more! My vet's not a big fan of SEB but is not hostile to herbal or homeopathic, just says he doesn't know too much about them or what to use and how much.   :hug: xx to you, thanks for pulling for Swampy.
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Post by: Mark on December 05, 2008, 10:33:25 AM
I would be a bit wary with SEB as it creates a mucous and may hamper absorption of other things given orally. I asked vet about it for Clapton once and he said it came under the "harmless" category but didn't think it did anything.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 05, 2008, 12:21:35 PM
thanks for the help with that, Mark.  Is there anything else that helps tums settle? I'm just giving yoghurt but not sure it's really doing any good. After he ate a bit of green plant (spider plant thing), he managed to find Max's dry stuff in the kitchen and helped himself to a few -he can't eat much of it anyhow, finds it hard to pick up so sprays it around the bowl more than eats it, but it was a good sign at least.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 05, 2008, 13:24:46 PM
Mark may be right about the absorption thing, but I do believe SEB works (for both constipation and diarrhea). I wouldnt bother with the yogurt, as you say it won't be effective whilst he's still taking antibiotics, usually recommended to start probiotic after course of antibiotics finished.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 05, 2008, 16:30:40 PM
The vet says it could be the anabolic steroid and hopefully he will feel better on his own, but I can try SEB just give it a few hours (he's not sure how many) away from any other meds. How many hours is a good idea?

He said I could withhold food if Swampy's not hungry, but it's a problem if he's not drinking as then I'd have to syringe water down him, which would stress him out. I can see why vets are on the immigration exempt list in England -  the locum situation is stressing us out - he had trouble finding one, he doesn't know any of them; the first one is some retired vet from somewhere up the north of England, who may or may not do things the same way, then other locums for short spells each; my vet allows me to do a lot and to contact him by text and email, and we have the utmost faith in him. We're starting to think that this is a real issue as Swampy needs such constant support and hands on treatment. It may also be his time and to have a stranger do that who may not be sympathetic is very worrying. On Monday we've decided I am going to chat to another local vet, who is very kind - a bit further away - to ask about just that. I can't just assume that Swampy can keep going until after 7 January. OH has a final exam next week and we are not able to discuss things while he's studying, but I know he's pretty concerned too.
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Post by: Mark on December 05, 2008, 22:00:30 PM
I know with my meds, I have to allow 2 hours for them to absorb before taking other things. Not sure if it's the same for cats but would have thought that would be fine.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 05, 2008, 22:08:39 PM
Just popping on to say goodnight God Bless to all in the Swampy camp  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 05, 2008, 22:26:18 PM
I'll trot down to the health shop tomorrow for some SEB. Swampy went down the passage tonight ( a guided tour as he was a bit muddled) and he found his old bed next to the radiator - in he went and there's no shifting him. Max has joined him. It's a bit more spacious than the igloo so I may move them and bed into the lounge for tonight!
good night and lots of love to all and furries tonight; keep warm everyone  :hug: xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 06, 2008, 06:11:09 AM
WTG Swamps.  xxxx
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Post by: Kirst on December 06, 2008, 08:25:37 AM
Yay heres hoping a peaceful night was had by all. :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 06, 2008, 10:15:54 AM
Some of the tum has settled a bit overnight (less toxic plops to be honest) but he's still not eating well and is circling quite a bit when he walks, which is underlying stress we all think now. I'm wondering if I should try Pepcid again (I'd cut that as too many meds etc) as his kidneys must be churning out toxins and when he isn't circling, he drinks more than when he is. Although I take the water to him, obviously not at exactly the right time as he often refuses to drink. He's not dehydrated though. His dad got some chin nips this morning, but we are again worried about him today. Hope we can settle his tum, then see how he is. Please send yet more vibes for him if you can.

lots of love and the sun is out here (ok a bit) so hope for everyone else too.  :hug: xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 06, 2008, 12:57:52 PM
what's the start dose of SEB and is it once a day? I just want to try it to see if it makes any difference - off to get some now. thanks!
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Post by: Kirst on December 06, 2008, 17:09:09 PM
More vibes on the way - come on Swampy , eat for you mum.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 06, 2008, 20:51:09 PM
Hey Swampy buddy will you please eat properly for your mum and for us.  We are all sending you our love and hugs and positive thoughts and hope you manage to fill your tummy and have a lovely calm night xxxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 06, 2008, 23:53:37 PM
He had about 1/6th can tonight so that is an improvement. It may be the SEB; whatever it is I am thankful. Now re-iglooed with Max. Thanks for all the good vibes  :hug: night all. OH in charge as is studying until 1am anyhow tonight. xx from us all.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 07, 2008, 08:44:55 AM
Good boy Swamps, try and keep it up.  Hope all was calm last night and that Swampy has one of his wonderful good days today  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 07, 2008, 15:03:23 PM
He's been circling today and needing help, but having said that, is not wandering much, is happy in himself and eating reasonably again with a bit of coaxing. Purring like a tractor when cuddled too. His coat is so good and shiny. The major problem's obviously the stress causing circling, but we are trying to keep him nice and calm and reassured. I do think the Zylkene helps a bit. Max hopped into the igloo right on to Swampy's head, which didn't go down too well! Luckily I was right next door on the futon when it happened. Max is having a miaow or ten today - he sees the sun and is convinced that his horrible mother is preventing him from lying in pools of it somewhere in the flat, whereas there's not much that he can lie in now - it comes right in and hits the back wall :(

hugs to all, going to give more SEB with the next meal. Does it take a while to work?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 07, 2008, 16:08:14 PM
Glad to hear he's having a not too bad day.  Big hugs to you all xx
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Post by: Kirst on December 07, 2008, 17:44:37 PM
Glad hes having a better day! A hug for Max today as he mum is a meanine by not delivering the sun when he asks for it!
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 07, 2008, 19:03:09 PM
SEB usually takes a day or two to firm up poos. Hope you have a quiet night.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 07, 2008, 21:36:00 PM
Hope everyone in the Swampy camp has a restful night  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 08, 2008, 09:20:25 AM
Morning hugs to you all and hopes for a calm and happy day  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on December 08, 2008, 10:59:50 AM
More vibes for you all  :hug: :hug: :hug:

I am glad the zylkene is helping even if it is only a little
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 08, 2008, 12:13:03 PM
OH says he had a calm night. I couldn't sleep at all in the bedroom, worrying about my little one! I went to speak to another vet in the area this morning; he did Swampy's rabies injection in the leg in 2006 before I first found my current vet. He says he can help me while my vet is away if necessary - if the locum isn't that great as they can be very variable. He's away too, but from 19th to after Xmas. So if things stay the way they are now, that's most likely what we will do. The other vet is a very nice bloke, which helps. There's one week then with no known vet cover, which is better than 25 days. Here's hoping and praying that things are stable and work out for the best for the Swampcat......who has been asleep most of the morning  :hug: xx
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 08, 2008, 12:20:19 PM
Sending gentle ear tugs to the choclit brown Purr maker.    :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 08, 2008, 12:40:59 PM
That's good news that you have at least some reliable back up for the holiday.  Let's hope you wont need it.  Glad our little mate had a good night
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 08, 2008, 21:39:58 PM
Hope Swamp has had a good day and sending hugs for a lovely cosy night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 08, 2008, 23:37:06 PM
 :hug: thank you xx

we are waiting to see if a poo tray visit is going to happen - I hope then he may get some sleep and his mum likewise.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 09, 2008, 08:41:22 AM
Morning Swampy did you have a nice poo (!)  I hope so,  Hope,l too that your day is lovely  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 09, 2008, 12:26:33 PM
He was very quiet overnight, mostly in his igloo - don't know if the new regime of 1/2 Zylkene at night and the 2 feliway diffusers are why or if it's just him. And this morning he did a normal mega one, thank you! (what we talk about eh).
He has been into the bedroom for a purr in what passes for sun (now gone) and is now in his other bed by the radiator. He found the tray during the night as well, although sometimes he circles and sometimes not as much. This is the first day off antibiotics again so we'll see what happens by tonight.
 :hug:  :hug: xx

He is definitely eating less, since the injection, which I think caused his tum to feel a bit iffy. It may be just that now he is going to eat less, but does SEB help with appetite at all? He is still on steroids every 36 hours but they aren't spiking his appetite much these days as think he has got used to them. Vet said that the blood tests showed that he could tolerate this dose of steroids. I didn't give SEB yesterday but will today if it may help him to eat more? thanks.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 09, 2008, 13:11:44 PM
Good boy Swamps doing a lovely poo for us all (not sure he would appreciate his toileting habits made so public :)).  Don't know anything about the SEB I'm afriad but am sure someone who does will be along soon.  Maybe now he has got used to the steroids and isn't as active as he used to be he doesn't need so much food?  Just a thought.  Whatever I am glad he had a bit of sunshine today.  Hope the rest of the day is good for him too  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 09, 2008, 22:24:47 PM
Lots of hugs and vibes coming your way for a quiet night
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 10, 2008, 09:01:38 AM
Morning Swampy's clan from the diarrhoea peeps.  Hope you all had a good night and your day is calm and happy :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 10, 2008, 09:54:30 AM
We had a bit of a yo-yo night (Mum up and crashing back down quite a lot) as he needed some help. Lots of stress before a mega plop at 2.15am (might cut back on the SEB to see if it's making him go more often as he went big-time at 9am yesterday too and isn't eating that much).  I'm monitoring him in case any of this is due to stopping the antibiotics, as last time he had to go back on them and was better and no-one's quite sure why though. He has eaten a bit this morning, but is finding his way about 50% of the time, it's unpredictable. He found and drank a lot of cold water at 5am and promptly left it on the carpet too.....then Max chucked his brekker all over the futon....so I'm hoping for a long igloo sleep from them now and better news later on. I must try to get a urine sample down to the vets later on and try to find out when and if he is still coming to see Swampy tomorrow.

pukey peeps send lots of love to (stop it now) diarrhoea peeps and to everyone for a good day and keep warm  :hug: xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 10, 2008, 14:01:16 PM
just took a sample down to the vet for urinalysis and it was a bit cloudy, so I googled and found this link which explains the whole urinalysis, which I think is quite helpful to know about so am posting it. HTH someone else too
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=0&aid=3136
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Post by: Leanne on December 10, 2008, 15:58:14 PM
just took a sample down to the vet for urinalysis and it was a bit cloudy, so I googled and found this link which explains the whole urinalysis, which I think is quite helpful to know about so am posting it. HTH someone else too
http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=0&aid=3136


That was really interesting so thank you for posting that, I've bookmarked the link.

 :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all today
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 10, 2008, 21:52:22 PM
Hope the main man has had a good day and mum hasn't needed too many kitkats.  Lots of love and positive vibes for a lovely night for you all :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 11, 2008, 09:40:00 AM
Morning- hope you all had a restful night and Swampy can find some sunshine to bask in today  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 11, 2008, 09:41:31 AM
Thanks, we had quite a good night and he's eaten well this morning, better than when on the abs. He's not walking straight though, but he seems happy in himself. I've have had to do a few calming strokes and rescues. Lots of purrs and is now iglooed with Max (eyebrow snogging).  The vet is coming for a home visit today before he jets off to the sun on Sunday, so I'm busy making notes of my questions. I think I will ask him to leave a note for the locums in case of emergency. I'm very nervous about him being away. He's so good and has given me such immense support with the way we are treating Swampy.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 11, 2008, 11:30:07 AM
Hope all goes well today, update us when the vet has been.  Snuggly hugs for the igloo boys.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 11, 2008, 15:11:55 PM
The vet was here for about an hour and was wonderful. Swampy's biggest problem, apart from his brain damage, is the blood in his urine, which has got a little worse. Without a scan he's not sure what it is caused by, but there wouldn't probably be any treatment he could have anyhow - it would just help him know what's wrong. So we both decided that a trip down to do it would probably not be in Swampy's interests. His best guess is some kind of nephritis where the kidneys leak blood, so it's important I keep giving him kaminox which has iron and vit B. Swampy will deteriorate over the next weeks or few months he thinks, but it's hard to know how long he's got.

Swampy got out of his igloo, lay on his back and purred while the vet ticked his tum - and he walked a bit in his circles, but found Max in the other bed and curled up (vet took a photo with his mobile as thought it was so cute).  I made a point of asking was he in pain or suffering and were we being unkind or wrong to keep going and he said definitely not, that if we could handle looking after him like this, that Swampy was coping ok.  He also said to try to see if we can give the steroids every 48 hours, unless Swamps gets too down in which case keep it at 36.

No-one knows how fast he will deteriorate or if his bleeding will get worse or when. But he will leave instructions with the locum and says the nurses will insist that if Swampy's time comes while he is away, that it is done the same way he would do it. But he says he thinks Swampy will still be around on 7 January and of course I hope he's right. 

With his support and the support on Purrs, it makes it easier to cope and so thanks again for being there for my Swamp  :hug:  :hug: xx He's curled up with Max now in the other bed and they look so sweet.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 11, 2008, 15:37:17 PM
Swampy got out of his igloo, lay on his back and purred while the vet ticked his tum - and he walked a bit in his circles, but found Max in the other bed and curled up

Bless him  :Luv2:

Sounds like the vet is reasonably happy with the way Swampy is at the moment, and is leaving you in good hands while he is away. I'm sure too that Swamps will be still be around when vet returns, the little fighter that he is  :Luv:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 11, 2008, 15:45:15 PM
Well I am sorry to hear about the likely kidney issues but am pleased your vet is expecting to see him in the New Year.  Plus  I am glad he supported you in keeping Swampy going.  Bless him letting the vet tickle his tum. xxx
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Post by: Dawn F on December 11, 2008, 15:46:50 PM
must be relief to know the vet thinks he is not in any pain, at least you can enjoy the time with him knowing he is not suffering - I'm sure he will still be around to see in 2009, he is such a fighter
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 11, 2008, 22:55:14 PM
Night night Swampy and co - sweet dreams  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 12, 2008, 08:04:14 AM
walking in straight lines all night (finding everything) and this morning and voicing his disapproval that the heating was off at 3.30am - I know it won't last, but it's funny how coming off antibiotics kicks this in for a day or so. The vet says the exercise is good for him so if he's not stressed, let him walk around. He didn't fancy his k/d this morning much though, not like yesterday. It's a batch with gritty little bits in it, even when freshly opened. My boy likes smooooth food for his lousy teeth.

hoping for a quieter day later xx  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 12, 2008, 08:55:11 AM
You beat me to it this morning Kate :)  Glad he managed straight lines though wish it was in the day and not the night.  Hope he continues to keep straight today and there is a little sunshine patch for him to lie in  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on December 12, 2008, 10:20:11 AM
Sounds like you have a lovely supportive vet there which I would imagine really helps.
More vibes for you all  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 12, 2008, 18:50:25 PM
 :hug: :hug:  Sending some more loving vibes for Swampy
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 13, 2008, 06:30:18 AM
I missed my night time message last night so am sending double hugs for a good day.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 13, 2008, 10:55:17 AM
Swampy's not too good today. He was ok when I went to bed (OH's turn in here), walking fine and finding his tray. However this morning he is pulling hard to the left and circling left and is needing help to find his tray. I don't know if it's stress or if it's because he's been off the a.b.s since monday night. The vet is travelling this afternoon but I've left a message.
Swampy's eaten fine, it's just the vestibular symptoms again. At least little one is now sleeping in his igloo.  :hug: xx to everyone, please send mega vibes.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 13, 2008, 12:50:51 PM
MEGA MEGA MEGA vibes for our little friend.  Hope it's just a blip big  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on December 13, 2008, 14:40:54 PM
Sending lots and lots of healing vibes for the little man and  :hug: :hug: for you ,it must be so hard and frustrating for you
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 13, 2008, 15:23:14 PM
At least he's eating well. I think the latest circling is stress. So the world's most kissed cat isn't going to lose that title soon. Trying to keep him calm and he does seem calmer after several mega love sessions - he had one little walk that was better in among the circles. The vet's told me to keep up the Kaminox as it should help him feel a bit stronger.

I went to collect some antibiotics just in case, but ideally they want me to take down another urine sample to go to the lab on monday before he takes any more abs - I wish they'd sent the earlier one to the lab - as there is a v small chance that he has an infection that is resistant to these (synulox type) a.bs. The tricky thing is nights as normally it's OH's turn again to give me a break, but he sleeps like a log so if Swampy needs help if he doesn't yell, there could be a stressful wait for him.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 13, 2008, 22:54:34 PM
Hope he is feeling better by now and wishing you all a comfy night  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on December 14, 2008, 01:40:10 AM
Sending loads of mega healing vibes for the Swampy boy - hope he improves and has a stress free night.
 :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all .
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 14, 2008, 07:56:50 AM
I am hoping Swampy and you all had restful night and that the sun shines down for him today :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Kirst on December 14, 2008, 09:14:50 AM
Topping up the Minster vibes for Swampy , hope all had a restful night. xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 14, 2008, 11:49:00 AM
He was striding around the room this morning, a bit agitated but straighter at any rate. I think it is stress and a bit of dementia, which is why it changes for better or worse quite quickly. OH was in here again most of the night and said they had a lovely purr session at 5am. If Swampcat's having senior moments, just have to look after him more. He's eaten ok but now says 'enough' with his paw when he hasn't quite had enough, things like that. Still a love sponge though.
I haven't given him any more abs and am hoping I can wait for the test tomorrow and the results, but I may ask them to put urgent on the sample if they can, just in case. Trouble is the locum for the first 2 days (mon, tues) is someone off the internet that no-one knows - the main one has worked for a surgery in London before so he gets here wed. Just hope they are ok anyhow.

big vibes coming Swampa's way seem to help so please keep them coming for my little old man xx  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 14, 2008, 15:24:40 PM
GINORMOUS VIBES heading your way right now from Manchester.  Hope things are ok  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 14, 2008, 22:20:46 PM
Night night to the little love sponge - hope everyone has a good night.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 15, 2008, 10:05:41 AM
Hope our special friend had a lovely night and hope too that the day goes well for you all  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 15, 2008, 10:52:01 AM
Swampa had quite a good night, thanks. He's not eating much though -he sort of starts enthusiastically, then stops. Anyhow I took his sample down and we'll see how that turns out. He's keeping warm and having a nice zzzz at the mo' too.
lots of love to everyone  :hug: xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 15, 2008, 11:56:23 AM
Phew I was starting to get worried as no updates
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 15, 2008, 18:47:52 PM
Gentle little snuzzles to Swampy.  xxxx :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 15, 2008, 19:34:22 PM
Hopefully the lovely Swamps has had a good day and will have a restful night  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 15, 2008, 19:39:18 PM
He's very sleepy this afternoon. Couldn't be bothered to move to wee, so I picked him up and took him! Then gave him kaminox as the vet thinks it's wonderful for giving a little vavavoom to poorly cats (amino acids). He ate a little food, but I'm now warming it up (so far so good as it goes a bit softer). His cold is starting to fire up a little bit, which is down to the b***** weather. My friend has lent me a humidifier so I've got that on (not sure if you're meant to put hot or just ordinary water in it, but it's like a drum thing) to try to help a bit. The CH makes my eyes sore too, so suppose not too good for snuffly cats? Mind you, freezing would be worse. I hope he eats better later and also that he sleeps tonight as his old mum could use a few hours.  The vet nurse said the lab results may be tomorrow, but could well be wed. Trying to keep calm about it all.

lots of love again and dark brown choclit purrs to all  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 16, 2008, 08:23:31 AM
Hope Swampy and you all had a restful night.  Hope, too, that his cold settles down quickly.  Poor Swampy.  May today bring him lots of sunshine patches.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 16, 2008, 09:59:54 AM
Swampy had another peaceful night, getting up at 3 and sorting himself out and then sleeping on until 6.30 or so - which is all unusual, so now instead of being pleased, I am worried as he must be getting weaker. He's not eating very well; it's a mission to persuade him to eat enough. I give it, he eats, stops, I take it away for 10 mins then we try again.....He's gone off the microwaved k/d but did eat a bit of a new can k/d in 2 gos - I'll have to try him again at 11.30 with his steroids. They don't seem to be picking up his appetite any more (although he may not be eating at all without them of course) and nor does the fortekor help his appetite. I don't know how much he's getting exactly - I used to keep notes - but I now have to chuck more food than at any time before.

couple of questions: I wondered about Pepcid again in case he's a bit off colour in his tum from his kidneys and meds. How many hours around other meds do you give a 1/4 pepcid (around fortekor or steroids)? I'll give him some plain yoghurt too. Not sure about the SEB if he's not eating as would have to put it in a capsule (?). He is pooing, so far ok.

and is it ok to leave the k/d in its can in a glass, sealed container? Up until now I've been decanting it and chucking the can. I put it in a coolbag and it stays there all day (less than 24 hours). I just think it may retain a bit more moisture if left in the can. It's the one food he will consistently eat a little bit of (the pate is sticky and he sometimes will only eat a teeny bit cos it sticks in his teeth) but he hates it when it starts to go hard - which the stupid stuff does, even in glass containers.
 :hug:  :hug: everyone xx sunshine???? what's that :-(

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 16, 2008, 10:46:04 AM
Hiya Kate.  It might be that he is just making a new routine for himself.  I wont tell you not to worry though!!!  Can't advise re the food and Pepcid etc but hope the day is good  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 16, 2008, 13:58:10 PM
He's eating very badly.  Just a little bit, half hearted. Mostly k/d if anything, but then only a teaspoon or 2 at a time. This is quite sudden. He won't eat any food with chunks or that can't be licked up and he won't eat any fresh food like chicken or tuna either. Not sure what to do, other than worry.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Dawn F on December 16, 2008, 14:06:19 PM
that is a worry  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 16, 2008, 14:14:43 PM
I've been reading tanya's CRF site and it says for urinary or kidney infections like possible nephritis, antibiotics are taken for 4 - 6 weeks. I have a week's supply here but am waiting for the urine test results. But I am tempted to just go solo on this one and put him back on to them. Her site says that because of the kidney damage, they take far longer to work. My vet said it could be glomerulo nephritis or similar. He is guessing as there's no xray or scan of course. (I'ved googled that  - so far it doesn't fit so am none the wiser).
At the vets there's a changeover to another locum tomorrow, so it would take him a few days to read notes etc etc. In the meantime I've decided to give SEB in a gelcap to see if it helps. If it doesn't I may try Pepcid. Pepcid seems a bit stronger and I'm concerned that it may interact badly with whatever's wrong with his kidneys.  It's all so difficult when this is new territory and the vet you trust isn't here.

Swampy's very purry but this is the first day with this low level of food intake so I imagine he would get weak quite fast if he doesn't eat much today and tomorrow.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 16, 2008, 14:50:45 PM
Aussie locum spoke to me. Swampy's results are the same as the last test my usual vet did - blood, protein, casts in his urine indicating kidney problems and possible infection. She thinks a week may be too soon to tell as the a.bs leave traces, but it's unlikely to be clear from a urine test anyhow. She thinks I must put him back on to a.b.s possibly longer term to see how he does on them. So he's going back on to them tonight.
Better get some yoghurt down him first. I think both vets think the main issue is his kidneys now, although the urea/creatinine readings aren't that high, something is not good.
She sounded nice and a good vet, but is replaced by someone else (a retired bloke) tomorrow for most of the duration unfortunately.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 16, 2008, 15:05:54 PM
Oh dear come on Swamps you need to eat to keep your strength up.  Hope the abs start working soon and the little chap is feeling better  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 16, 2008, 15:17:04 PM
The vet just called me back to suggest something they've been using with success in cats with kidney related nausea in Oz - metazapine. He gets a small dose every 3 days for 2 weeks to see if it helps, starting tomorrow. It's an anti depressant but she says a lot of CRF cats do well on it and eat. The only issue is that it masks how bad the kidneys are because the cats feel better (like with steroids), but as she said it's all about making life comfortable towards the end and enjoying what time is left.
I hope it works. I'm glad the results came in today because I think tomorrow's locum may not be as good (hope I'm wrong).
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 16, 2008, 15:55:23 PM
Hiya it's certainly worth a try good on the locum.  You never know tomorrow's might be good too.  Sometimes they are crass but at others they put a lot of effort in to prove themselves because they are locums.  look forward to hearing it has helped xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 16, 2008, 16:32:34 PM
this coming one's a retired bloke so just earning a bit of cash I imagine. Today's Aussie is young and was very helpful and read all his notes.  Luckily the vet has them on his computer system, but it's still a long read as there are pages as you can imagine.

Swampy just ate about 1/8th can k/d so I'm hoping the SEB is helping him.  His cold's a bit up and his Maxness is now sneezing too (all over my face at one point) so I've turned off the humidifier in case it's that.

He's now refused 2 more little meals, except for eating about 2 square inches of very thinly layed food on the plate mixed with water. He doesn't seem to want to drink either. So far his mood is ok and he's moving around without discomfort - when he felt so sick with liver disease he just sat and wouldn't move. But he licks away for about 30 seconds, not hoovering much up, then the paw comes out and says to stop. I think he must have had about 1/4 can in all today but am not sure.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 16, 2008, 20:18:43 PM
Are his teeth ok Kate?  Dragan used to do that when his teeth were giving him problems.  Anyway hope he manages to eat some more and has a good night.  Love and  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 17, 2008, 00:02:01 AM
No, his teeth are awful but they've been awful for a while. He won't let me look! He's not depressed or too lethargic as yet, just won't eat or drink enough. He hicced tonight while sitting on the bed, so I gave him Pepcid. He ate a very small bit of k/d and some pate, in several attempts (say 1/4 of one of those small 85g cans) about 2 hours later. What is odd is he starts eating as if he's hungry, then after about 15 secs, suddenly stops, head goes down and backwards and the paw comes out. And he'll only eat anything in his bed. I'm starting to wonder how much is he's feeling bad in his tum and how much is possibly dementia - no idea, could be both.
I've been wondering if I should give him a small dose of lactulose - I'd hate him to struggle if it's solvable with a plop. He did go last night but strained a bit, then went, left the tray and went back in and fired out more (sorry!). If his tum's not comfy or it is the urea toxins, I think it may help. But I'm worried about doing the wrong thing of course.
Just hope we have a reasonable night and he will eat something in the morning. And drink - he's not looking for water either so I've put teaspoons of it in his little bits of food. He's not dehydrated but it can't be good.
Please send vibes that tomorrow's better.
sleep well xx  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 17, 2008, 07:33:14 AM
Of course the vibes are coming.  He may well have a sore mouth and when he starts to eat it hurts him.  A little lactulose wont do any harm will it?  Hope our boy had a decent night and has a good day too.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Topsy Turvey on December 17, 2008, 07:44:46 AM
Big :hug:  :hug: to you and Swampy. 
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Stuart on December 17, 2008, 08:04:51 AM
sending HUGE Healing vibes to Swampy :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 17, 2008, 09:42:46 AM
thanks again  :hug:

My lad had a good night, found the tray 3 times and his water and at 4am I heard him in the kitchen trying to eat some of Max's dry that I'd left down, thinking oh he'll not be after that. He didn't get much in him as he can't pick the pellets up, but it at least shows he was a bit hungry.  I gave lactulose and he's been twice this morning a little bit so it worked despite the lack of food. I think Pepcid's not a bad option either, although I first gave it at night which wasn't too clever of me as presume I must now stick to that. This morning he's had his fortekor and a.b but I think spat his vivitonin (I found one on the carpet but wasn't 100% sure it was todays so can't give again). That's a problem if his probs are dementia related. His cold's not great so he got tortured further with fucithalmic. Max is sneezing badly too.

My feeling from all the reading on kidney infections, blood in urine with CRF cats etc is that the a.b.s should have been long term anyhow - it all says 4 - 6 weeks. He has had 3 weeks but with breaks. I don't suppose the breaks matter too much (?) although the last one was a week.
The vibes are helping, bless you all from me and Swampa xxxxxxxx  :hug: Sun is out here and he's had all his Swampsongs sung to him while being cuddled in a little ray of it (aka 'thank God I'm deaf sometimes) xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Kirst on December 17, 2008, 09:47:49 AM
Lots more vibes for Swampy - when  Beavis refused to eat it was because he was 'clogged'......heres hoping its the same for Swampy!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 17, 2008, 13:15:25 PM
LOL he is truly a soldier and Charlie would like to make him an honorary member of the army if he would like that.  Well done to him and I am glad the sun is shining for him :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on December 17, 2008, 13:35:26 PM
More vibes from all of us  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 17, 2008, 13:56:41 PM
Just went to collect the meds from the vet. I had to sign a disclaimer as the practice has not prescribed it before. There's a bit on the net about its use in cats and a study is underway - it seems it helps with appetite and nausea but may cause more agitation or (this worries me) a raise in bp. However the vet had seen his notes - what I may do is give him the teeniest dose I can cut as a trial. Although she told me it takes 2 weeks of treatment (1/8th tab every 3 days) to help. Ideally he should have lower bp now he is on fortekor but as he's a home visit boy, it is not regularly measured. Wish I could do it at home.

He is awake so I'm going to try to feed him now. From the sound of it, if he is eating reasonably today, I should probably wait to give it until earlier in the day in case of problems. If there are problems, there's a drug antidote which is periactin, but it can take 3 days to work. Swampy does have side effects from some meds and none at all from others.....all of this is my way of saying I am nervous!!!! but he has to eat....

this is what I found on a link from Tanya's CRF site. She recommends periactin but my vet said that really only works as a single dose, not continuously. http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=2552

PS He's had a little lunch so I think not today. I wish I could ask a good vet on whether it's only a last resort drug in a cat that has had high bp, seizures, brain damage and will die if they don't eat,  or if they are just noting that on the side effects (as they do on all meds) just in case and it's not really an issue at very low doses. I suspect the latter - anyone know anything?
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 17, 2008, 14:44:42 PM
Oh Kate another dilemma.  Could you contact the drug company and speak to them maybe?  Whatever it sounds as if he doesn't need it right now.   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 17, 2008, 15:29:20 PM
yes I know (sigh). No it'll have to be a vet, because it is being used in cats off label. It's not that I have a problem with, as Swampy's liver pills were likewise and they were fantastic. It's more that the vet who prescribed them isn't there and mine is in S Africa. I may have to use them if Swampy stops eating at the lowest dose possible and hope for the best. Juggling act when our babes have multiple problems isn't it.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 17, 2008, 21:26:06 PM
Good night God Bless you Swamps and big hugs to you all with wishes for a restful night :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Baggy on December 17, 2008, 21:31:11 PM
Juggling act when our babes have multiple problems isn't it.
Modern veterinary is both brilliant, and a completely complex nightmare  :Crazy:
Glad he has eaten a little today.  :hug:


Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Topsy Turvey on December 17, 2008, 21:34:11 PM
What a nightmare.   :hug: :hug: for you both (and Max to) x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 17, 2008, 22:09:48 PM
He's had his antibiotic and Pepcid and has eaten a little more, doing much better, but he's on the heatpad in the other bed (not igloo) and hasn't moved for 7 hours......think I'd better remind him that a wee might be needed! the Pepcid's out of date (bad mum just noticed) but hopefully not a problem until I can get some more from America.

I turn off the heatpad at night, trying to keep them or Swampy in the igloo as it's next to the futon where I sleep. I'm thinking that there may be complaints  :hug: xx hoping for a good night for all and a good tomorrow too.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gwen on December 17, 2008, 22:11:01 PM
Sorry I havent posted for a long time but I have been keeping up with this thread and sending positive vibes to Swamp and hope tonight is a good night for all of you :hug:

You guys are such an inspiration to any cat owner,I really dont know how you keep it together and can only admire you all as a family :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on December 17, 2008, 22:59:08 PM
If you put a little Olbas oil in the humidifier with the water it will help to clear their noses, its perfectly safe, I do this with mine. Its just acting like Vics and hot water treatment. All they are used for is to keep the moisture in the air so would not be doing the cats any harm  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 18, 2008, 08:21:55 AM
Topping up the Swampy cuddles.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 18, 2008, 09:33:06 AM
Morning hugs and good vibes for Swampy's day  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 18, 2008, 10:06:51 AM
Swampy had a good night. I got so zonked that I've overdosed him on lactulose I think - I didn't look in Max's tray, just his ones and so redosed Swampa.....hopefully not too serious but we will find out later! He wandered to the kitchen at 4.30am and ate something left out, found tray etc which is great. It's either Pepcid or a.bs helping - last time the a.bs helped him for a few days, then not, but imo that shows that they are working on something - ??  Does anyone know if Pepcid exp 08/08 is a problem as right now I've no alternative; it seems to be helping.

I've turned on his heatpad in the travel bed (not the igloo) and he's safely in there. I'm sure Max will join him for a lovely long zzzz.  :hug: everyone xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 18, 2008, 11:03:23 AM
No answer re the Pecid but deeeelighted to know the little guy did so well last night keep it up Swamps xxxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 18, 2008, 12:40:44 PM
He's a bit circly today - wasn't at night. All very odd. I'm staggered by the Pepcid situation and am going to post in another thread to see if anyone knows where I can get it - the one supplier to the UK I found wants $11 for the tablets but it goes up to $43 with shipping and isn't even quick!
You can get it in France but I can't seem to contact any friends, many are away already.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 18, 2008, 15:59:02 PM
Let me know if you can't get anyone in France I have friends there, Belgium and Germany x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 18, 2008, 18:01:33 PM
thanks so much. I'll see if my friend manages to help me tomorrow - I've left her a message and it will depend if she can get to la Poste or not before she goes away until after Xmas. xx  :hug:

Swampy's been circly again today, not sure why he is agitated but at last has gone to sleep for a bit. He's eaten quite well though - the a.bs tend to improve things dramatically for a day or 2 and then not. Still means he probably needs them though, or why would they give him that initial boost?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 18, 2008, 21:43:07 PM
Just popping in to wish you all a peaceful night  :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 18, 2008, 23:44:49 PM
Hope you and Swampy have a restful night  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 19, 2008, 09:33:43 AM
Good morning Swampy and co.  Hope your night was restful and your day is sunny  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 19, 2008, 11:18:53 AM
We've been up since 4 - he's a bit agitated. I had a big cuddle with him though, kissing his tum and making him purr loudly and then he just got up and followed me into the kitchen. So I'm sure it's stress; the only problem is how to control the stress and keep him as calm as possible. The sun's out but at this time of year it hits the back carpet in the lounge, not the futon or anything so he can't lie in it :-(
It's difficult for me to go out in case he gets up (he's not sleeping very much) and needs a hand. right now the 2 of them are doing their face washing routine together which he loves and calms him right down, but I have to get some steroids down Swamp in a minute, which is going to derail that unfortunately. I didn't give him his vivitonin this morning because I want to see if it makes any difference to how calm or stressed he feels.
Please keep the calming vibes coming  :hug: thanks! xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 19, 2008, 12:56:39 PM
Waves and waves and waves of vibes heading Swampy's way  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on December 19, 2008, 15:06:31 PM
Lots and lots of calming vibes winging there way to Swampy and hugs to you :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on December 19, 2008, 15:36:56 PM
Mega loads of vibes coming from us for the next week  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 19, 2008, 16:57:49 PM
just went down to fetch more pills and briefly ran into the locum. He seems to be processing patients every 5 minutes, bit like my GP (I wasn't there long and 3 lots of people went in and out; the nurse says he gets through many more patients than the usual vet) and looks quite severe and very old school - my initial reaction was to think please please don't let anything happen until my usual vet is back.

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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 19, 2008, 17:55:11 PM
Oh dear well you know Swamp's is a very unusual case and he might be very interested - let's hope so and let's hope you don't have to test it out
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 19, 2008, 23:00:00 PM
my neighbour's dad uses a vet not far from here, in PAH shop and he thinks they are good (they have a dog though, in good health). I asked him to ask as know he loves his dog v much.

I am so tired that my brain froze and I forgot to give Swampy his a.bs on time tonight, so he's had it 3 hours late. Not good; the one pill the vet told me to really give on time. I got to the usual time and thought "I'm sure there's something I'm meant to give him" as there's a lot at various times.....old brain just fried. I hope it's ok. I'm going now to the notebook to write down all tomorrow's meds right now. Duh.
He has been calmer today so I'm going probably to withhold the vivitonin tomorrow too to see if it helps.

night everyone, sleep well and stay warm with the furry ones xx  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 20, 2008, 07:01:22 AM
Sorry missed me night time post think my brain must have been frazzled.  I use Companian Care the vets at PAH and the have been lovely with Charlie.  I would speak to them if you are concerned about the locum.  Hope things go well today xxxxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 20, 2008, 11:57:46 AM
His night wasn't too bad, we had a sing along at 3am and some circling, but then he settled again. Today though he's a bit agitated again and not eaten as well so the old Pepcid's been given again. I gave vivitonin, now I'm wondering if it's that that causes some agitation?

His lamp (aka our trial SAD lamp) arrived today and is very bright. The instructions say run it morning only in 2 hour bursts, so we've ended up getting 2 lamps (ordered the one you told me about Mark but will only come after Xmas as isn't in stock); this one is on a 30 day trial. I don't think we'll keep it unless it really does work and picks up his (and my!) mood on the dark days. I also have to make sure that he doesn't look at it as it's 10 000 lux which is like 240W I think. The company are german and they told me it's a misconception that any of these lights produce Vitamin D but they work on mood and general well being.

I dug out an old heatpad - the hard round pet kind you put in the microwave - and can't remember if 5 mins (700W MWave I think) heating in the MW is ok, as he enjoyed it last night. If others have one, would that be about right for heating time? It says don't overheat and refer to original leaflet....which is well lost after 2 years!

big purrs from Swampa to everyone.  :hug:xx

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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 20, 2008, 12:30:51 PM
If its a snugglesafe doesn't it have the timings on the back?  Glad things not too bad and hope the lamp helps.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 20, 2008, 16:48:18 PM
nope on the back it says to consult the original bit of paper that came with it - and don't overheat!

Swampy has been overgrooming his side for the first time; it's soaking wet. I'm not sure why as he's not done that for years. Not a good thing with him having to stay hydrated. The only 'new' med from today is I switched his glucosamine to cystease, but I doubt it's that.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 20, 2008, 16:53:21 PM
Snugglesafe timings - do not exceed these times.

600 -650 w 8 mins
700 -750 w 7 mins
800 -850 w 6 mins
900-1000 w 5 mins
1100 0 1200 w 3 mins
1300-1500w 2 and a half mins

Leave to stand in microwave for 1 min to allow heat to stabilise

Hope this helps x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 20, 2008, 17:04:52 PM
 :thanks: that's a big help. I've been doing 5 mins which seems fine. I might get myself one, it stays warm for ages :) xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 20, 2008, 21:41:19 PM
Just here to send goodnight wishes you all hope Swampy has a warm snugglesafe stress free night.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 21, 2008, 09:45:23 AM
Good morning everyone.  Hope you had a quiet night and your day is stress free (well as much as it can be) :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 21, 2008, 12:24:43 PM
OH did last night and it was agitated apparently. This morning likewise, he was just wanting to pace and not purr. Since then he's calmer, in a better mood and has eaten well and is now asleep at last! The new SAD light is nowhere near where he's sleeping but hope it will help in due course (I put it near the igloo).
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 21, 2008, 15:22:06 PM
I hope the boy is settled today xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 21, 2008, 20:25:44 PM
Popped in to say goodnight and sleep well xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 21, 2008, 20:26:35 PM
He was really grumpy and I got upset - so Max wanted to take off down the passage (he hides under the bed at the slightest upset). I left the door ajar for when his Maxness wanted to come back (usually 15 mins or so). Swampy was circling a bit but found the door open a crack so pulled it open with his paw and off he went, not totally straight but still..... Supervised.....but unsupervised he found the bathroom and wandered around it, then went into the bedroom and after a bit of a guided tour wander, he sniffed the bed and up he hopped and started to wash himself all over while purring madly - doesn't do the full wash that much anymore. Max joined him and lots of nggggging of mutual snogging of eyebrows later, they have curled up together, after having had a big joint purr and shared a teeny plate of k/d (Max will eat a little when it's not 'his').

Think I am going to have to incorporate a wander to the bedroom into the daily routine as Swampy clearly gets bored, even if he's so unwell. Just hope he doesn't fancy it at 3am!  :hug: xx hope everyone has a good night.
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on December 21, 2008, 21:00:12 PM
Lots of hugs and vibes for Swampy  :hug:  Bless him with his visit to the bedroom!

I heat Jaffa's snugglesafe heatpad for 6 mins on a 800W microwave.  He prefers his hot water bottle to the snugglesafe though  ;D
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 22, 2008, 09:52:38 AM
Monsieur Swampy, the Essex born french passport holder, had a good night but.....he's now getting quite vocal. He found what he was looking for at 3.30am and just had to tell me about it - so loudly it got through the earplugs and woke me up. He has eaten ok, had a wander and is now in the igloo under his bright light with Max. I gave him vivitonin today though as it's supposed to be for dementia, which is what I assume the shouting is - he makes a new noise, bit like someone just stood on his tail.
going to be warm and gloomy so I may join him under the 10 000 lux light now  :hug: xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 22, 2008, 12:00:41 PM
First chance to pop on to see how he's doing today.  Sounds like he's doing good and hope he continues having a nice cozy day x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 22, 2008, 19:32:38 PM
He's been off for a guided walk again today, purring all the way. I heard from a reliable source that the locum vet is lousy btw, so if anything should happen (please not) we would have to look for alternatives.

Good news is the insurance paid, less my hefty 35% excess. Bad news is I owe what they paid me to the vet anyhow. Oops it's antibiotic time! He's asleep so I may not get my finger munched. xx  :hug:

PS annoying family member rang about Xmas....found out I'm sleeping on the floor with him and says I am quite mad. thank God for you lot on here, who understand  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 22, 2008, 20:10:50 PM
WTG Swampy lad, adventuring.  Did you check out the PAH vet?  they have good opening hours and ours even opens Bank Holidays and all day Sunday though obviously wont be open over Xmas.  Hope you all have a quiet night and Swamps wasn't too grumpy at being disturbed for his ab's - I don't think you're mad at all I think you are a lovely caring mum and that Swamps is lucky to have you so Merry Xmas to your family member. xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 22, 2008, 23:11:24 PM
not yet. It's very near Asda and Sainsburys so wonder how long it would take to get there and back at the mo'!  I did go there when we first moved in, but they wouldn't sell me a bag of RC food like they'd been eating for 2 years in France, without my making an appointment for each cat ie £50, so I got put off and never went back. But hopefully they are good vets, if needed. I have the name of 3 vet practices, just a question of who would be around during the holidays.  It is so vital to have someone who is both v good and nice isn't it.

night all from the eyebrow snoggers xx  :hug: sleep tight  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 23, 2008, 08:53:51 AM
They are not the cheapest by any means but they are thorough and every time you go in they do a good check weight etc.  It's their opening hours that attracted me to be honest.  Anyway best of luck but it might be worth sorting out a decent vet before you may need one?  Hope Swamps and you all have a good day today will be thinking of you all as usual xxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 23, 2008, 10:15:02 AM
think you are right, better go down there and speak to them sometime today. They are right at the back of the shop in a sealed area and it's difficult to get past the receptionist though. Not sure I could speak to a vet

Just called them. The vet won't help me, even in an emergency. She says I have to stick with the locum. She sounds nasty so I wouldn't want her near Swampy anyhow. I'll just have to hope and pray that nothing goes wrong or at least that the other bloke who is around a few days is working.  I get spoiled with the vet I have - around here some of them (most of them) are just awful.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 23, 2008, 13:31:44 PM
How awful I am really surprised but I expect it comes down to their ethics!!!  Let's hope the locum comes up trumps if needed.  Hang on in there Swamps. xx
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Post by: bonnielass on December 23, 2008, 13:48:30 PM
What happened to the good old fashioned vet that would help any animal in need,  to say they wouldnt help even in an emergency beggers belief :shocked:,,  sending lots of healing vibes  for Swampy and hugs for Kate :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 23, 2008, 14:13:28 PM
the vet (not a Saffie as my neighbour said, but Irish) said apparently that she was on on her own so didn't want any home visits for animals she didn't even know. ( a merry Xmas to you too). A question like this though does show what a vet's like I think.
I'm hoping and praying that he will be just fine. They are yinyanging in the other bed now, the heatpad is on 24/7 as they love it.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 23, 2008, 16:27:01 PM
Nice lady NOT
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 23, 2008, 21:21:45 PM
Hope the little soldier has had a good day and that you all have a quiet night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 23, 2008, 23:39:28 PM
he's had a good evening so I'm hoping for some sleep tonight. night night, thanks for sending all the lovely messages Chrissie  :hug:  :hug: xx
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Post by: bunglycat on December 24, 2008, 01:47:39 AM
Lots of mega vibes for a stress free night for you all -big  :hug: :hug: to everyone- hope Swampy keeps doing as well all over xmas and new year and longer .
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 24, 2008, 06:38:58 AM
Glad he had a good day and hope the night was too.  Tell Swampy Santa Paws is on his way and his sack is filled with loving vibes for a special special boy and his special mum.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 24, 2008, 09:19:54 AM
I'm going to fetch his last lab results just in case they are needed. But he was good last night, except he peed 3 x, which is 2x too often so I am (of course) worried. He is finding everything today so far which is good but not eating as well as yesterday (more Pepcid later). But Max is having a jealous fit and shoved him out of the bed twice so I need to make a fuss of my fat little Max today too.

Thanks for the Santa bag full of vibes and love for Swampa. I'll pass it all on. He had a sudden stress attack for 5 mins this am after I'd had him on his back and was kissing his tum so weird, but OH cuddled him and it passed. We just want to have a loving and peaceful Xmas together, as I hope all of you do too with your little ones, especially the ones that aren't too well xx  :hug:  :grouphug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 24, 2008, 18:09:11 PM
Just want to say God Bless the little man and all of you who are caring for him (including Max).  I hope you all have the best possible Xmas and have no need of any vet. xxxxx
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 24, 2008, 22:52:23 PM
All the best for a peaceful Christmas to you and Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 24, 2008, 23:00:33 PM
A peaceful Christmas to you and the boys  ;D
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Post by: Feline Costumier on December 24, 2008, 23:03:40 PM
Hope you have a wonderful peaceful Christmas  :hug: to you and soggy nosed smooches from Dave xx
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Post by: bunglycat on December 25, 2008, 00:02:49 AM
Hoping you all have a peaceful and stress free xmas , with mega healing vibes for Swampy and  :hug: :hug: to you all for taking such great care of him -including furry headbuts to Max and Swampy from the persian clan in Lincoln.
Hope there is no need for any vet calls for a long while .
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 25, 2008, 08:03:06 AM
Charlie and I hope that you all had a peaceful and restful Christmas Eve and that your Christmas Day is everything you wish for.  xxxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 25, 2008, 09:34:40 AM
A very happy Christmas to everyone who is and has been sending vibes and prayers for Swampy and may you all have a lovely day with your furbabes too  :hug: xx

My Swamp was doing well until 4am, since when he's become agitated, no idea why. He's not wanting to eat. Just given him his Zylkene and hope that it works and he'll eat later. No Xmas dins sadly as he just eats k/d now. I'll pass on the headbutts and he sends mega dark brown purrs back to everyone xx

thank you from the bottom of my heart for being here for us xxxxxxxxxxx
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Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on December 25, 2008, 09:49:27 AM
Hope you, OH, Max and of course Swampy have a lovely and relaxed Christmas  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 25, 2008, 11:27:17 AM

The SwampMax send a sleepy snore purr to all their Purrs friends for a lovely, relaxing Xmas xx this was about 20 mins ago.

(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/IMG_4199.jpg)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 25, 2008, 12:17:49 PM
Oh wow what a beautiful pic making my eyes leak  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on December 25, 2008, 13:04:44 PM
 :Luv:so beautiful ,and relaxed, hard to imagine he has so many problems bless him sending healing vibes for a lovely Xmas for him and you all  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on December 25, 2008, 13:20:01 PM
 :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 25, 2008, 21:58:41 PM
Hope the boys and you and OH had a lovely and relaxing Xmas Day and hopefully your night will be stress free xx
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 26, 2008, 09:14:57 AM
Oh Kate - what a beautiful picture.  Paddy specifically wanted me to put the pooter on so......


 :shify:  Allo Swampy   :yesss:  I wants ter send yoo der big whiksery PPPPPrrrfppppTTT fer Kissmouse an opes yoo had a luvverly day.  Is gud dat yoo bin snuzzlin wiv yer bruvver an I 'opes yoo all has der very gud day terday an all.    :Luv:  Bye fer now.  Paddy  xxx   :shify:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 26, 2008, 09:33:46 AM
Hope that Swamps and his army had a restful  night and he can enjoy snuggling with Max and having little adventures round the house today.  Hope he eats and poos too x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 26, 2008, 09:50:38 AM
Swampy sez Hello Paddy an Charlie an all my frienz! I haz eaten bout 5 mousies terday so far. I iz not drinkin so mum sez I must eat mousies a lot. Kissmouse was gud. I haz SAD lamp and heatpad and I sends big NGGGGGGGGGtttts (dat is eyebrow eatin noiz) to all my mates. Iz sleepin now, bye xxxx

He's not walking too straight, except sometimes, for no apparent reason, but he seems happy and warm curled up in that green bed with Maxi and the new catnip banana (it's their rabbit cage, long distance car-travel bed from France) right under the radiator with the heatpad on under them too. If nothing else, the SAD light means I can take photos of them without flash and Swampy's colour comes out better  ;D

Happy Boxing day to everyone  :hug: xx  may it be a good day for all. Sunny here but freezing cold wind.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 26, 2008, 10:05:40 AM
Bless him I hope he continues to do so well xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 26, 2008, 21:34:50 PM
Hope you all had a lovely day together and that your night is stress free x
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 27, 2008, 08:19:06 AM
Hope no news is good news :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 27, 2008, 10:00:42 AM
Hi! He is not too bad, thanks. Up and down. Last night he gobbed out his steroid pill. I found a mangled 1/2 of it in his bed (no sign of other half), so only gave him another 1 pill (he has 1 1/2 pills). I don't know if he chewed the other half and swallowed or if he got it in him at all. He was drooling and foaming because pred obviously tastes awful and I was tired and gave it to him badly :(
I hope he's had enough to keep him all right and eating for 36 hours though.
the other thing is he's only drinking a little. I don't know if this means he's not thirsty or if it's that he can't be bothered or dementia - I take water to him and he shies away. I do give him a few droppers of water if he's not drunk for ages, but that gets about 3 - 4mls into him. I also add water (5mls - teasp) to his wet food. His skin folds go back pretty well so don't think he's v dehydrated; just would expect a cat with kidney issues to drink more.

Purrs and snores to everyone from the heatpad-bed dwellers. The igloo seems to have been abandoned for the minute!  :hug: xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 27, 2008, 20:36:19 PM
Little so and so my dog Pepsi used to do that with heart pills and you would find them scattered round the house or stuck in her fur (she was long haired).  Anyway hope he has enjoyed his day as best he can and hope you all have a quiet night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 27, 2008, 22:10:44 PM
Yes, I'll say one thing for Fortekor and that it is well designed and doesn't get spat out. No reason why the manufs of those pred steroids couldn't coat them with something so that they don't taste as vile as they obviously do. Plus if they get spat out, they are often too gobby or broken to use - like last night. I am still not sure exactly what dose Swampy ended up getting!

He's been ok today, had a good meal earlier even though his blindness causes him to take longer to find stuff even when he's walking ok and he complains. But think old cats do quite a lot of vocalising anyhow, don't they?  That green bed has their old SA 'leopard' bed in it which they both love - there were 2 of the beds, but one came to grief when the nurse washed it at 90 degs when Swampy had it in hospital in 2006 - so fat Max tends to occupy it and has to be shoved to one side to let Swampy in! 

night, night, peaceful sleep to all. It is going to be very cold this week so hope all furbabes are warm too  :hug: xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 28, 2008, 07:39:31 AM
Glad he had not too bad a day yesterday, he is entitled to complain a bit I think don't you?  Hope the night was calm and he can find a patch of sunlight in the cold day to lie in, if not then he has his heatbad which I expect is really cosy.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on December 28, 2008, 09:27:57 AM
OH asked if it's safe to leave the heatpad on 24 hours a day - hope so as that's what I am doing. The bed is just under the radiator too and they are curled up in it with the SAD light shining at them! It's the blue heatpad kind (BSAVA) that vet uk sells. Think I'll email them to ask. I could always turn it off for an hour or so while they are curled up together, but they love it so much.

Swampy is weeing more often - often under 3 hours now although the wees are small. He's been walking better yesterday and today and he does drink a bit more (although not a lot) when he can find the water easily.  I don't want to take down a urine sample this week unless I have to.

Keep warm everyone  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on December 28, 2008, 09:33:39 AM
Bless him he seems to be coping really well at the moment keep it up Swamps x
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Post by: bonnielass on December 28, 2008, 09:50:11 AM
Im so glad Swampy is doing well at the moment, hope he keeps it up, and still sending healing vibes for him  :Luv: and hugs for you Kate and OH :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 28, 2008, 11:10:40 AM
Swampy just peed yet again before a poo - although the 2 may be linked, it doesn't usually happen and it's under 2 hours from last time. There were 3 tiny red specks in the clump of litter when I cleaned it out. I don't know if they are part of the litter itself or could be blood. I'm going to put Cystease in his little snack with his steroids at 11.30am. He has been more agitated this last hour too. I don't know what I can really do but I am now worried. If he's not better by tomorrow in terms of this, I have to decide if I take a sample to the locum or to the other vet nearby. My vet's not back until 7th which yesterday felt easy and today feels a long way off.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 28, 2008, 13:31:27 PM
Do you put newspaper under the cat litter in the tray?  Just a thought cos I got scared once thinking I had seen blood but it was print!  Hope nothing lurking, keep us posted.  xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 28, 2008, 14:06:50 PM
no, just the sainsbury's ultra clumping. He's just been again; it's every 2 hours or def less than 3 today. He's eating ok so far and is now resting again. You know how it is, any change makes me so scared.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 28, 2008, 14:41:19 PM
Can you ring the vet?
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 28, 2008, 15:54:39 PM
he keeps going every 1 1/2 to 2 hours and doing a little wee. No pain, just wees as normal but far too often. Up until today it was 3 hours at least and often a bit more than that (up to 5 hours) if he was comfy or asleep. He's also eating a bit more (not much more, just a bit more) than normal. Otherwise he's 'normal'.

Question is do I trust the locum despite what the nurse said, or do I go to the other local vet I spoke to (who is now back), armed with the print out of 16th December lab results? I could ring in the morning and ask if they have that spinner that does urinalysis. Do you know what it's called? I know my vet has it as his own in house results were the same as the lab.  First time Swampy's urine was blood +  and last time blood +++.

IF this is a cystitis type thing (not sure if this q will reach everyone or should start another thread just about cystitis) is what I'm doing correct- he is on antibiotics and 1 cystease a day? He does not seem thirsty and has wet food with a teaspoon of water added so I'm not forcing fluid down him. Not sure if I should.  I am so worried now.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 28, 2008, 16:36:41 PM
Kate I don't know what advice to offer  you save to see the vet you feel you can trust the most bearing in mind that the locum will have ready access to Swampy's case notes.  You can always get a second opinion if needs be.  I think the important thing is to stop it getting any worse if it is cystitis?  Hopefully someone will be along shortly who might be able to help you as I feel futile! xxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 28, 2008, 17:36:50 PM
The nurse advised me to try elsewhere so I think if the other guy can do a urine test, then I'll go there. I have copies of his last urine and blood test results.  Swampy may need a home visit too. He's peed again, less than 1 1/2 hours. He gets upset and needs help to find the tray as he's stressed. But he is peeing (so far) even though obviously it's a tiny amount. I tried to give him a syringe of water but he spat a lot of it. So I am giving him lots of little meals of k/d with extra water in it.
He's had blood in his urine for weeks now and has been going too often, but like I say, the fastest has been 3 hours apart.

Apart from that, he is eating well, his coat is good and he's purring when cuddled or stroked. But not sleeping really as has to get up so often. I was going to ring the emergency vet, but there's not much they can do I don't think. I have to wait for tomorrow and hope and pray that he doesn't get worse and that possibly he improves. He's on steroids, antibiotics and Zylkene, so not sure what else can do other than try to comfort him.
We are both upset as it is so sudden. We were thinking yesterday how easily we could cope until 7th when the vet returns. Has anyone got any other helpful suggestions please?
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on December 28, 2008, 18:22:58 PM
The only thing i could suggest is vetuk do a couple of pastes that are for cystitis-one is called uro-pet( for reduction of struvite stone recurrence ) and the other is UTI cat paste ( helps maintain a healthy urinary tract, with natural cranberry extracts)
I bought these in , but haven''t used them as thought they would be handy to keep in as most of mine have had cystitis at some time and Smartie had crystals twice .
Hope this might be useful to Swampy but obviously you can''t get them very quickly , but may want to keep some in !?
Big  :hug: :hug:  and healing vibes from us all in Lincoln to Swampy and  :hug: :hug:  to you all.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 28, 2008, 18:34:50 PM
Please try not to get yourself into an anxious state (easy to say I know) as Swampy will pick up on it and it could make him more anxious.  If you are very very worried then contact whoever covers your vet in an emergency and speak to them.  They may be able to offer some advice to help until you can get the vet out.  Best of luck and keep us posted xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on December 28, 2008, 18:35:25 PM
Kate, sending gentle hugs for you and Swampy.  :care: :care:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 28, 2008, 19:49:05 PM
thanks so much  :hug: xx

He's now gone nearly 3 hours as was heatpad-bedsitting with Max, but unable to sleep. He cleaned Max and himself and sat up and looked around, then sat down again. Has just had his a.bs and a little more to eat. I'm now wondering (chicken and egg q) if he is worse because he is somehow more stressed today, or if he is more stressed/agitated today because he is worse. It's a stress related problem for the most part isn't it?  Must go and help him produce another dribble now poor lamb.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 28, 2008, 20:29:16 PM
Bless I wish I could say something useful.  I just hope you have an ok night and get to speak to the vet tomorrow.  Hang on there xxxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 28, 2008, 22:29:03 PM
 :hug: not expecting much sleep. He's been again just now, barely a trickle but he's going so often that's not surprising. I'll call at 8.30 tomorrow or when they are open. I just wish there was something I could do to help him. I put a little more Zylkene in his food in case he's stressed.  He's back in the igloo, not a very good sign as that's where he goes when he's poorly.

please just send prayers and vibes for Swampy. He was doing so well lately up until today. xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 29, 2008, 07:15:43 AM
Sending you loads of positive vibes for the boy.  Hope the night wasn't too difficult and hope you can get it sorted with the vet today  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 29, 2008, 09:25:18 AM
Swampy was very manic last night and only settled down for a few hours after 2. I've just got a small urine sample and I'm off to the other local vet with it. I called and they say they do urinalysis.
He is still stressed and eating a bit more than usual.
First step is to see if anything's changed with the urine so here we go, hope I'm doing the right thing xx  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 29, 2008, 10:20:39 AM
Hope the tests help to get to the bottom of it.  waiting for your update x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on December 29, 2008, 11:00:17 AM
More vibes from us  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 29, 2008, 11:44:06 AM
The vet was very nice, called me straight back (not busy!). He says there isn't much change from the previous test. Swampy's kidneys are not too bad in terms of urea/creatinine but as to why there is so much blood in the urine, he's not sure which of several possibilities it could be (no scans possible). What I liked was his instant understanding of why it wasn't a good idea to get the proper diagnosis by putting Swampy through the scans etc, as the treatment would not differ - just we would know what was wrong for sure. He says it could be infection, although quite probably not but he'd want a clear 4 weeks on these antibiotics just in case and to keep on the steroids and all other meds. He'll do a home visit if necessary. He also suggested using the mouth-given morphine type painkiller (again: says it's very safe, much better than Metacam and I mustn't worry!) if necessary, but just do what I am doing and hope that he picks up again and destresses and stops peeing so often. I will have to take him if he strains and nothing comes out of course. So far he has rested more than yesterday afternoon or night at least. We also had a sing song cuddle in the puddle of sun, which we both enjoyed.

Please keep the vibes and prayers coming as I am sure that they help  :hug:  :hug:

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 29, 2008, 12:03:28 PM
Sounds like you made the right choice to go to this vet, he sounds lovely and understanding.  Did he say what the possibilities were for the blood and which might be most likely?  Bucket loads of love and vibes heading Swampy's way it is so rotten that these things keep happening but his immune system will be down with the steroids.  Big hugs to you all and chin rub for Swamp and Max  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on December 29, 2008, 13:25:58 PM
Oh Kate my heart goes out to you  :hug: its hard i know to watch a loved one so poorly but please try to remain calm or Swampy will pick up on this, im keeping everything crossed for you both and sending lots of healing vibes and husg to all oy you :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 29, 2008, 13:42:24 PM
thank you  :hug:  Yes, he said several possibilities - infection, inflammation, stones (unlikely as SG isn't good, it's 10.18) or a little tumour in either the bladder or kidneys. My usual vet added a residue of the brain stem bleeding to the list too, in some way we don't understand without scans. But even with a scan, there's no more they could do.  No-one has any idea why he gets so stressed sometimes and circles, whereas other days or parts of days is so much better. Neuro + long term steroid use possibly as steroids affect the adrenal system which controls stress response. Either way it's full time love as a prescription, no hardship really. xx

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 29, 2008, 13:46:17 PM
Well if love is the key he has bucketloads from everyone  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 29, 2008, 20:48:13 PM
Hope our favourite boy is ok.  Let's hope tonight is restful :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on December 29, 2008, 21:00:20 PM
I second that wholeheartedly   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 29, 2008, 23:31:52 PM
Glad the vet was nice and hopefully the long course of antibiotics will do the trick. Hope all is peaceful tonght.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 30, 2008, 07:27:50 AM
Morning all, hope you had a decent night?  Lots of snuggling today as it's very very cold (well at least it is here in murky Manchester)  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on December 30, 2008, 08:40:03 AM
I agree lots of cuddles and loving today,    :hug:    :hug: hope you had a peaceful night
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 30, 2008, 09:23:30 AM
Swampy was ok until 2am but had a rough night after that, agitated and peeing about every 2 hours. I've left a message to speak to the vet, to ask if he thinks a home visit may be worth it. I hope he may zzzz now for a few hours as he must be exhausted. I am tired. About 1 hour in 2 nights is not good. He was much better yesterday afternoon and evening so I'm trying to keep calm. Please keep vibes coming his way xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on December 30, 2008, 09:39:53 AM
Hi Kate, sorry to hear you had another bad night,  hope that you and Swampy manage to catch a bit of sleep today, sending mege vibes for a good day and lots of hugs for you ,and we are all praying for you both  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on December 30, 2008, 09:58:42 AM
Oh Kate I hope Swamps gets some sleep today so you can too.

 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 30, 2008, 12:07:50 PM
Oh dear poor Swamps and poor you.  Let us know how you get on re the vet and in the meantime a lorry load of positive vibes on its way   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: AliCat on December 30, 2008, 16:54:07 PM
Big *hugs* for Swampy.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 30, 2008, 17:46:39 PM
The vet is coming tomorrow instead, at 12 if all goes to plan. We just had a chat on the phone today. Don't think there's much he can do, but just thought it may be helpful to have him look over Swampy and his meds. Swampa had a little sleep this afternoon but keeps getting moved by Max (who takes the best spot in the bed) and is still restless. I had a rest, but just can't sleep during the day.
Swampy's in a good mood but is quite vestibular (circly when he walks) and gets grumpy when he can't find things very fast. He's been like this before, but not for a few weeks, so please keep the vibes and prayers coming that it is just a blip and not how he is now. what is new, is that he shouts for food. Is hungrier than before. I don't know if it's his neuro, or meds or a bit of both. There are some meds that could be hurting or helping, it's so difficult to know which eg vivitonin. Probably not fair to expect a new vet to know either.
 :hug: xxxx


Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 30, 2008, 20:11:42 PM
Hoping it's just another blip (and there have been plenty and he has come through them) and try not to worry too much.  Hope you can all get some rest tonight xxxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 31, 2008, 08:40:02 AM
Good morning and I hope you all managed to sleep some last night.  Having a decent and different vet take a look might cast new eyes on Swampy's situation so you never know.  Hopefully the visit will go well and I look forward to your update later.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 31, 2008, 12:05:45 PM
I am so nervous with the new vet coming around in 1/2 an hour. He is going to try to take bp and bloods if Swampy will allow him to. I told him he'd have to lie on the futon mattress to do it probably and he seems ok with that, but still sometimes it doesn't work.  I saw Swampy's notes when doing my insurance claim (notes even from before his accident). My vet had written "tried, failed to get bloods today, Swampy too wriggly". And he's used to the usual vet too.
I really hope he manages to get his bp reading in case it's gone high. Please send lots of vibes for a calm Swampcat! xx



Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on December 31, 2008, 12:21:59 PM
Sending lots of vibes and hope that the new vet can get what he needs  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 31, 2008, 13:04:30 PM
Come on Swamps try your best to let the vet help you.  Perhaps your mummy can hold you?  Hope it all goes well.  Love and vibes coming your way from Manchester  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on December 31, 2008, 13:52:32 PM
I think we need vet visits every day - Swampy was quite a bit better during the visit than he's been lately!   He'd just woken up and purred while the bp was taken with a new style little bp measuring cuff (not too high but of course the vet says that's as low as it will ever get...160, 170) but he would NOT allow bloods to be taken at all. He walked around without too much circling and found both his beds and had a good yell once too. The vet says it was helpful to see him on a better day as well as it helps his judgement of how bad he is. He says that often he sees pets where owners, in his opinion, are carrying on too long because they don't want to let go, but he doesn't feel that this is the case with Swampy.  Still another 10 days of a.bs though, although we discussed that Swampy has in the past felt better with a few days break.

He did say and we know it of course, that deterioration could happen at any time as we just don't know what is wrong exactly. Plus quite a bit may be dementia too, as he said his bladder's not that full, yet Swampy will probably try to pee even though he may not really need to.  So I plan to spend NY's Eve cuddling my boy and hoping he is calm.

Btw he said he knows nada about Bach Flower Remedies but I could try them for calming - does anyone know? Presume rescue remedy is no good as you have to add it to water?

thanks for the vibes, they worked (who cares about the bloods eh). He's not that anaemic he doesn't think as his gums are pink and he's not dehydrated. Such a brave little man xx  :hug: to his friends  :hug:

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: MrsR on December 31, 2008, 14:15:02 PM
Rescue Remedy can be added to water or rubbed onto the back of the ears hunnie - its great stuff.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 31, 2008, 14:31:16 PM
Hey that's not such bad news then is it?  Naughty boy Swamps re the bloods though but I can't say I blame you.  It's good, I think, that the second vet has confirmed what your own vet has said all along, that you are doing the right thing by Swampy.  Hope he continues to have a happy day
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Post by: bonnielass on December 31, 2008, 14:58:54 PM
Im so glad everything went okay (apart from bloods ) with Swampy im sure all the love hes recieving plus the healing vibes are doing him good, hope you have a good day today  :hug:  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on December 31, 2008, 19:09:05 PM
Just popped on to wish you all a Happy New Years Eve with lots of snuggles and purrs.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gillian Harvey on December 31, 2008, 19:17:23 PM
Just wanted to wish you a happy new year too as I won't be staying up. Glad the vet's visit was not too bad. I think the Bach remedies can be dabbed just on the inside of the ears, sure I remember reading that somewhere.  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on December 31, 2008, 19:30:19 PM
And from me too, hope you have a peaceful night and Swampy, still sending healing vibes for you all,  :hug:  :hug:  HAPPY NEW YEAR 
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on December 31, 2008, 21:52:42 PM
Not the inside of ears, the outside please.  ;D

Happy New Year  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 01, 2009, 10:00:00 AM
Happy New Year to you all and I hope last night was calm.  Hoping for a good day for you today and many many goods days throughout 2009.  Big hugs :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 01, 2009, 12:16:33 PM
Happy New Year to everyone and a big hug to you all and our heartfelt thanks for all your love and support for Swampy  :hug:

He wasn't too bad (although not as good as when the vet visited, which seems to happen) last night but from 6 - 8 this morning we had an awful time with him. He's been manic. I think he was hungry, but became very upset and stressed and vocalised a lot and would not settle (he got food but maybe not what he wanted?) and it took quite a while to calm him; he wouldn't even purr when held. He is now very tired and sleeping at last with Max. Max gave him a nice all over bath too. Please when you can send prayers and vibes that that was a blip and he will be better.
lots of love from a grey London xx  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 01, 2009, 12:56:13 PM
Hoping he WILL be better, positive vibes and love for Swampy.  Lots of snuggles with Max too x
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on January 01, 2009, 13:16:59 PM
Sending lots of New year wishes to you, Swampy, Max and OH  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 01, 2009, 14:05:12 PM
Happy New Year Kate, sending mega vibes and healing for Swampy and lots of  :hug:  :hug:  :hug: for you and OH and pray this was as you said just a blip
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 01, 2009, 20:24:01 PM
Here's hoping you had a good day (or at least a decent one) and that you can all sleep well tonight
 :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 02, 2009, 08:34:25 AM
Sending a gentle snuzzle for Swampy this morning.   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on January 02, 2009, 09:13:23 AM
Hope you both managed to get some sleep last night, still sending healing vibes for Swampy and hugs for you  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on January 02, 2009, 10:18:46 AM
Happy New Year to the Swampy Camp

I'm glad his vet visit went well

Here are loads more vibes from us  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on January 02, 2009, 11:03:44 AM
Bit late with my morning wishes but here they are nevertheless. Hope you all had some quality sleep and that there is a sunshine patch for Swampy today  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on January 02, 2009, 11:13:56 AM
at the moment, what he seems to need (dementia? or his neuro or both?) is to be fed a little bit every 2 hours, day and night. If not then he gets upset and cries and won't settle. I was up at 1, 3, 5, 6, 7.30 with his a.bs and then 9 with his other meds. I am so tired, I don't know what to do to be honest. He is suddenly eating quite a bit more than at any time since he was ill and is physically robust. Just a week ago I was ordering Pepcid as he was off his food a bit. But I have to find a way to get just 3 hours sleep a night. I can't sleep in the day and anyhow he gets up then too. I don't know obviously how long he will do this for.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on January 02, 2009, 11:30:59 AM
I don't know what to suggest other than automatic feeder but he may not be able to find his way and you would be worrying about that I guess.  Can you put on a sleep mask or something in the day because Kate you cannot continue with this interrupted sleep indefinitely or you will be really ill yourself.  Anyway hope he has the best day he can little love. x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on January 02, 2009, 11:38:52 AM
I've always struggled with sleep - actually I don't think someone who usually sleeps very well (like OH) could have done all this disturbed night stuff with Swampy since Sept.  I forgot to say last night he found his tray every 2 or so hours as well, so it could have been worse. Generally he finds stuff better at night during this illness, possibly because night time is wakey time with cats, who knows.  But it's 10 mins each up time, then I can't just go back to sleep. He is so sweet when I go to him as well, loving and purry. I always have sworn that any decision is not to be because I can't cope, but because he can't cope. But I am really struggling. I can't just leave him to shout as the neighbours' bedroom shares the wall with this lounge/kitchen. The vet says to let him walk and shout and he will get tired, but it's so tricky. I can only really do that in the daytime.


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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on January 02, 2009, 12:04:50 PM
Maybe this is his way of saying he isn't coping well though Kate. He could be eating more because he isn't aware he has eaten recently, which is common with dementia. It is hard when they start yowling though
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on January 02, 2009, 15:25:13 PM
just spoke to the vet who doesn't think it's dementia (too sudden onset) but is more likely a neuro symptom following on from his accident and says to just try cutting the a.bs and perhaps vivitonin (that pumps blood to his head and may not be helping) and possibly push the steroids out to every 48 hours IF possible, to see if it helps at all. He also said I could give a 1/4 valium at night which might help although may make him a bit wobbly for 12 hours. So I'll start by cutting the meds where possible, warning the neighbours when I see them, trying to stimulate Swampy a little bit by taking him for twice daily walkies down the passage, which he seems to like judging from the purring (we all think he gets bored). Last week he was sleeping an awful lot, now manic behaviour - it's sudden changes so potentially able to change back again. At this stage, anything is worth a try and all pills can be started again if necessary.

off to rest as he is finally snoring with his head on Max's ample tum.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on January 02, 2009, 15:38:58 PM
Hope he settles poor boy,, keep us updated Kate and you know where I am x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 02, 2009, 18:56:11 PM
having an early evening sleep like a baby. You'd not know anything was wrong to look at him with Max, curled up in their warm green bed with their heads on each other. His weight is good, coat is shiny and he's still strong. No more meds tonight and please send vibes that from tonight things are better for him mentally as a result. xx  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 02, 2009, 20:44:24 PM
All the vibes I have coming to help Swampy at this time.  Come on Swamps xxxx  Hope you all have a restful night and Swampy can stay calm.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on January 03, 2009, 02:04:06 AM
Just posted on another thread about valium/diazapam and would not use that cos likely to make him eat more and get very hyper before he starts to fall over and get groggy.....wouldnt have thouight that a good drug for a cat in swampys situation.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 03, 2009, 10:01:22 AM
No, I agree Gill. I think diazepam's for emergency use only.  Swampy had a quieter night off the a.bs - this happened last time, lasted 2 days or so then he had to go back on them. Vets have no idea why coming on and off them helps for a bit. I didn't give vivitonin this morning either - think will do every other day but all subject to how he is. He is still restless and walking, but has been more purry so less manic and less vocal. Still too many tiny wees and eating often.
We've decided to push the steroids back a bit and see if it helps or not. Only one way to find out. 48 hours will be tonight; he was going to have them 11.30am which is 36hours. Both vets have suggested giving that another go. We only tried it once and he only made 40 hours. At least with those meds, not the abs, you can see how things go and adjust.
Swampcat is not asleep but is resting. He found his tray at least this morning a couple of times and the water. We'll have to see how that goes later on without the vivitonin or steroids - I have a feeling we may not make 11 tonight without another dose.

thanks to everyone for the vibes and hope the sun's out with you, even if it's cold xx
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Post by: bonnielass on January 03, 2009, 10:04:11 AM
Glad to hear you had a reasonable night sending more vibes that he has a peaceful day today and hugs for you  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 03, 2009, 11:58:29 AM
just got the bill from the other vet for the home visit - almost twice what my normal vet charges and an extra £45 for taking bp  :shocked: I hope the insurance cover it and feel a bit stupid for not asking, but presumed the charge was about the same and the bp measurement included. I'm still glad he came though as he's a good vet, but think I need a zylkene myself now.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 03, 2009, 19:08:59 PM
Well if he can have a couple of days break by not having the abs then go with it Kate.  Whatever helps helps.  Hopefully he has had a good day and you have managed some relaxation as I know you wont have slept!  Lots of calming vibes coming from Manchester to Swampy et al. xxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 03, 2009, 21:18:29 PM
I got about 3 hours sleep last night as OH did a shift in here, but I kept waking up thinking I could hear him and he needed help (OH sleeps like several logs all at once, but it was just me being neurotic). Tonight I think he'll do until 3 or 4 am as well. Swampy is going I think to get his steroids at 11 (almost 48 hours); he is coping without them so far. A bit less appetite and not as vocal and needs a bit of help, but generally calm with mega purrs and I got chin kisses. Right now he's off on a wander. But I know we are day 1 off the a.bs, which traditionally is good and he walks completely straight lines and finds his stuff. Then, if it's like before, he starts turning the other way from before - it is so weird. So far we manage this by rather randomly going on and off a.bs, because when he's back on them, the first days have been good too (again the vets are baffled).  He is my sweet old man (just found his water bowl, bless him) and I love him so much I could pop.

This afternoon he got out of bed, walked up to the kitchen where his plate has always been on some phone books, had a sniff (no plate) and had a good shout about where was his nosh. It sounds like such a little thing, but it made me very happy.

night night, let's hope for a good one for everyone  :hug: :hug: xx
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Post by: bonnielass on January 03, 2009, 21:32:37 PM
Good old Swampy  :Luv:  its days like this that help you through the bad ones, still sending mega vibes and hope he and you both have a good night,  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 03, 2009, 22:12:52 PM
He's a superstar and I am glad you managed some sleep x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 04, 2009, 11:18:30 AM
He's predictably not quite as good today. The coming off a.bs bounce is usually just about 36 hours. I wish I knew why coming off them improves things, then he starts to circle when stressed in the opposite direction than before he walked straight. Then goes back on to a.bs and all goes well for another few days - the vets are baffled and it's not typical of 'normal' vestibular disease or lesions, where they always stress circle the same way when they do it. But he's been a purrbag this morning too and has eaten quite a bit. Few more yells, which may be the vivitonin, so I may not give that tomorrow.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 04, 2009, 11:25:55 AM
He did have quite a busy day yesterday though.   I wonder if that could be connected.  You know he feels better so does more and that makes him feel rough the next day.  Hope things don't get any worse x
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Post by: bonnielass on January 04, 2009, 11:30:58 AM
 just a thought  hes going in cycles could you write down each day and then maybe work out a routine of what to give where and when and maybe stabalise hima bit more 
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 05, 2009, 10:01:29 AM
Good morning, I do so hope you can report a calmer night and that you all managed to get some rest.  Loving hugs for Swampy and you all on this cold, icy and snowy morning in Manchester. x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 05, 2009, 10:44:15 AM
Swampy is very poorly. He's having some manic episodes where he just won't settle or sleep and is circling left now. I've put him back on his antibiotics as last time he came off them he was great (like saturday) and then deteriorated and when put back on to them, he improved a lot. The deterioration this time is really fast though.
But we just don't know if he will improve this time and if he doesn't, then it is too difficult for him I think.  Please send prayers and vibes for him. He is now asleep after so many hours awake.  His vet is back on wednesday and we are hoping that at least he can rally until then.  I'm going down to speak to the new locum about trying to keep him calm, at lunchtime I think.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 05, 2009, 10:57:00 AM
Come on Swampy boy - hope he manages to get a decent sleep and can calm down and stop being agitated and circling.  It must be so distressing for him and for you.  Will check regularly for updates.  Love and hugs and positive vibes coming your way  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 05, 2009, 11:01:05 AM
Oh poor Swampy, it must be so distressing for you and for him all i can do is send mega mega vibes and hope he trys to stay calm till his own vet is back, lots of hugs for you   :hug:  :hug: :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 05, 2009, 14:28:49 PM
Wondering how he is doing?  If  you managed to speak to the vet or anything?   :hug:
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Post by: Yvonne on January 05, 2009, 14:59:49 PM
Healing vibes coming my way as well    :hug:

 :ahh:

I cannot find any reference to Swampy's age - can anybody tell me how old he is?
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Post by: sylvie on January 05, 2009, 15:27:37 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: for you and Swampy.....
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Post by: Leanne on January 05, 2009, 15:39:09 PM
Come on Swamps you can do it 

:hug: :hug: :hug: for you all
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 05, 2009, 17:31:41 PM
the new locum is very young and kind. She just told me to call her if she's needed and we chatted about how to keep him calm - not too many safe ways. Swampy's mood has been better and he's had a sleep and isn't eating as much. But he is still so vestibular, to the left.  I am losing hope although I know he's bounced back before and as she said, neuro patients are the hardest of all to decide when is right because things can change for the better or worse so dramatically with no apparent reason.  Thanks everyone for your support; I am resting now because I think it will be a tricky night xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 05, 2009, 18:41:43 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 06, 2009, 06:36:20 AM
Good morning and I hope it is just that, good.  How was your night.  Hope Swampy has recovered from his blip and is feeling better and less manic and anxious today.  xxx Lots of snuggles with Max in order today to combat the cold
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 06, 2009, 09:45:42 AM
6.30am post! I hope that doesn't mean you were up with Charlie.  Swampy has been less manic since yesterday afternoon. His night wasn't too bad. We got up twice (and once found yesterday's fortekor deposited in the duvet!).
He needs quite a lot of help though when he gets up. We are just taking it as it comes.  This morning he was agitated without any real purpose, so I guided him down the passage to the bedroom and was rewarded with purrs and obvious interest in his surroundings. He also enjoys the rug, not carpet, under his paws as has a good paw slide (what used to be rug destroying nail sharpening, all stretched out, now his front paws just slide back and forward). He's eaten and has joined fat Max in the green bed. One hour, one day at a time. 
The sun's out but no longer reaches cat zzzzing areas in this poxy flat. But hope you are enjoying it where you are xx  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: sheryl on January 06, 2009, 10:02:34 AM
Still sending the gorgeous Swampy love, huggles and positive vibes xxx

 :hug: for you Hun xxx
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Post by: bonnielass on January 06, 2009, 11:13:13 AM
Hi Kate, so glad you had a reasonable night with Swampy hope the day goes okay as well, still sending those vibes for him and hugs for you  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on January 06, 2009, 11:14:22 AM
More vibes from us today  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 06, 2009, 11:47:39 AM
is it just my computer or has the whole thread below Maddiesmum's post disappeared?!

Just came on here to share some good news. I don't know if it's a one off and right now I don't care, it is good news at 11.45 this morning. Swampy got up after a long kip and found the tray, quite easily too. Never thought a little wee could make his mum almost cry. Even if he doesn't do it again, it give me some hope.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 06, 2009, 12:16:28 PM
Nope it's not your computer it's Charlie, hadn't realised he had put in a load of carriage returns taking me right down the page until after it was posted!  WTG Swampy you star, baby steps  :hug: Tred to amend it but gave up as there was so many lines to go down so have deleted it to prevent it taking up valuable space.  CHARLIE doh!  As I said him venturing into various areas of the house is good and will give him some stimulation perhaps make it less frustrating for him?  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 06, 2009, 12:27:16 PM
Swampy your a little star :best 2: i know we are all gonna keep sending these mega vibes for you :Luv:,
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 06, 2009, 14:00:34 PM
Oh no! Don't delete a post from Charlie! What a treasure. Swampy's not repeated his sleepy brilliant efforts but when I told OH on the phone, he said the same thing which is that when he's relaxed, he's better. That's the key. It's also the problem though. Zylkene helps but only up to a point and you can't give it all the time - even if safe, it won't work. But at least today we have his purr back; on sunday night and early yesterday it had gone on holiday.
Tell Charlie not to press the Enter key with those magic paws of his, but to write us another post soon  :hug:

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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 06, 2009, 14:14:02 PM
Does he like being brushed?  Charlie loves it and it relaxes him or you can get those little wooden massage things, someone bought me one and I use it on Charlie, when, of course, he is in the mood. 
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 06, 2009, 14:20:36 PM
We zoom groom followed up by combing up the hair (I have 2 containers full of course) when he is on the futon. He doesn't like it any longer anywhere else. Depending on his mood, he loves it if it's gentle. I've tried it to calm him, but he has to be sort of calm otherwise he doesn't want it.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 06, 2009, 15:28:54 PM
I have one of those small rubber type brush/massagers and Charlie really chills if you do it under his chin or on top of his head.  He sticks his head up and his eyes close and he looks as if he is really enjoying it.  It would be nice if you could find something guaranteed to relax Swamps
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 06, 2009, 18:23:03 PM
How;s he doing?  Good I hope x
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 06, 2009, 21:30:10 PM
Just popped in with the night time wishes for a calm time.  Hope Swamp's day was restful too  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 06, 2009, 22:46:09 PM
he's not too agitated at the moment, so I'm hoping that tonight isn't too bad as am pretty knackered. I know he'll need help about twice, but hope not more than that.

I have the heating on 24 hours now; it is ridiculously cold otherwise when I get up! night night  :hug: xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 07, 2009, 08:45:28 AM
Glad he has calmed down some.  Hope the night was calm and snug.  They came to read my gas meter yesterday and boy am I in for a huge bill.  Still we have to keep us and our babies warm.  Hope Swamps and you all have a good day today and at least your vet is back now so you can heave a sigh of relief that you got through it.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 07, 2009, 09:07:59 AM
Swampy didn't really sleep last night so we had a tough one. He's not good I'm afraid although he is quite calm, cleaning himself now after a meal. I hope he will sleep today.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 07, 2009, 10:24:21 AM
Oh dear I am sorry he is not too good.  At least your own vet is around now if you need him.  Washing himself is good though.  Hope you all have a quiet day and get some rest xxx
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Post by: Mark on January 07, 2009, 10:38:32 AM
I have one of those small rubber type brush/massagers and Charlie really chills if you do it under his chin or on top of his head.  He sticks his head up and his eyes close and he looks as if he is really enjoying it.  It would be nice if you could find something guaranteed to relax Swamps

Alice is the same with her slicker brush. She loves it at any time but it helps her if she is agitated as well. She loves it under her chin and the top of her head. I got mine from PAH and it has little plastic bobbles on the ends of the wires.

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Post by: bonnielass on January 07, 2009, 18:00:53 PM
Im sorry to hear Swampy had a bad night, hope its better tonight and you both manage to get some much needed sleep,still sending vibes for you both and hugs  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on January 07, 2009, 18:04:56 PM
I am sorry to read that Swampys "bad days" seem to be getting more.

Hope he has a settled night xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 07, 2009, 18:20:42 PM
thanks  :hug: I am going to just give him another Zylkene at night too. I don't know if it will work but the vet doesn't think as a supplement it can do any harm, just may not work. I've been giving him another 1/4 - 1/2 at night but his pattern seems to be sleep during the day and not at all at night and with his agitation it means getting up every 1 1/2 - 2 hours all night. He gets mega stressed and circly when he needs to go to the tray and so needs calming before and afterwards and putting back to bed. Then have to try to persuade his Maxness to settle with him as that's better for him than a whole box of Zylkene.

I am taking Max for his bloods tomorrow to the vet and will chat to him about Swampy too.
xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 07, 2009, 20:37:11 PM
Hope he has a settled night and you managed some sleep too.  You must be absolutely exhausted.  Please take care of yourself as well as Swamps cos he needs his mummy to be fit and well.  xxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 08, 2009, 08:36:24 AM
Good morning Kate, Swampy, Max and OH.  Hope you all managed to have an easy night and that today brings some respite for Swampy. :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 08, 2009, 08:40:43 AM
OH was in here from midnight until about 4.30 so I got 4 hours zzzz which was helpful. Swampy was up every 2 hours, which now seems the pattern so it is tiring. I'm hoping to be able to have a talk with the vet when I take Max down this morning for his blood test. Just hope Swampy is settled at 9.45 - 10.45 when I have to be out.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 08, 2009, 10:53:49 AM
had a chat with the vet, who says Swampy could go up and down for quite a while, totally unpredictable. He seems fairly sure now that Swampy has brain stem damage from the accident, not a tumour. He understands how hard it is as Swampy is still physically robust, eating, shiny coat and so on. So he suggests we just go hour to hour, day to day, which is how it is anyhow. Luckily Swampy slept all the time I was out (why can't he go 3 1/2 hours at night eh?!   :tired:) and has just got up now that Max is home and has woken him up. He may also try some new Selegian or selgian tabs for dementia that Fabcats suggest, IF it calms not hypes up. And he wants him on antibiotics but we may move him to one a day. So it's all a holding pattern. If Swampy gets manic episodes, then that would change. So please think of him and send him lots of nice vibes xx

Max has been declared a porker.....he has put on more weight but is otherwise fine. May have to have a dental in 6 months time, but his toofies are like an 8 year olds. I have to try to get him to move more  ;D  I get his bloods back tonight. He didn't do thyroid as said he's "not a skinny cat"!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 08, 2009, 12:13:32 PM
Porky Max eh he is perhaps not getting so much exercise as he used to play around with Swampy?  Anyway that news is not too bad from the vet Kate, to be honest I was expecting worse.  Something else to try to let's hope it can help.  Glad you managed a few hours last night.  Loads and loads of the nicest vibes heading Swampy's way xxxxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 08, 2009, 21:20:00 PM
Hope your day has been ok and that you all have a calm and restful night with plenty of sleep  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 08, 2009, 22:45:18 PM
Hope you manage to get some sleep tonight and that Swampy has a good night to, sending mega vibes to both of you and lots of hugs  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 09, 2009, 08:51:40 AM
How are things this morning ?, did you both manage some sleep ?   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 09, 2009, 09:39:27 AM
He wasn't too bad overnight and I managed a little sleep, thanks, although I can't sleep sometimes not because of him but because I expect to have to get up, if that makes sense.  He found his way about despite getting up every 2 hours or so. I think he was tired after lots of walking yesterday, as he walked straight for much of the afternoon and evening. I don't know how long the improvement will last, but it's always a joy. Full of purrs (especially for his dad!) this morning and is now sensibly zzzz with Max.  :hug: xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 09, 2009, 09:44:02 AM
You beat me to it this morning Kate.  SOunds wonderful for Swampy, fingers crossed it continues.  Glad you managed a little sleep and yes I know what it's like the waking up just in case.  I still do it even though both Pepsi and Dragan are gone.  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 09, 2009, 09:45:07 AM
Im so pleased you both manages some sleep and fingers crossed you have a good day today ,i know exactly what you mean its inbuilt in your mind that he may need you so you automatically wake up in case ,all part of being a meomy :Luv: im still sending those mega vibes for you both and hugs to  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 09, 2009, 10:08:56 AM
beat this one, any other, mad, tired old cat nursing meomys out there - not content with going to the shops without a wallet a couple of times.......I've just smeared peppermint foot cream on my face  :Crazy:
not that anyone could tell the difference!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 09, 2009, 10:32:22 AM
LOl Bless you
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 09, 2009, 18:52:47 PM
My vet's not used Selgian before; it seems to be a calming anti depressant used for anxiety and behaviour disorders. I'm too nervous to give it to him and have asked if he'd mind speaking to the vet that wrote the paper on how it helps dementia for Fabcats (who are normally pretty good, aren't they?). Oh blimey xx  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 09, 2009, 19:58:54 PM
I don't blame you Kate, there is no harm in checking.  hope the little Swampster is calm ?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 09, 2009, 20:59:13 PM
Good night sweet dreams hopes for you all for tonight xxxxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 10, 2009, 09:14:06 AM
Brrrrrrrr it's a cold and frosty morning here in Manchester.  Hope you all had a warm and snuggly night and that Swampy is good today  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 10, 2009, 09:19:01 AM
Its a really cold one here in Nottinghan also, i hope Swampy managed to remain calm last night and sleep ,the vibes are still winging there way to him   :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 10, 2009, 09:27:29 AM
freezing fog, lovely. OH was in here last night but I took over at 4.30.  Swampy's been a bit agitated, not as good as the last 2 days but has had about 3 little meals already - one has had the Zylkene in , so hope it works! Amazing how OH can sleep through a full throated yell for 'I want food'.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 10, 2009, 10:20:37 AM
Greedy boy! No seriously am glad he is eating.  Hope he has a good day with some little nice adventures and lots of snuggles with Max and you.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 10, 2009, 20:16:59 PM
shouldn't have said anything....he's off colour this evening. Most unusually had 4+ hrs between wees and won't really eat ,just wants to go back to sleep. I think I'll shove a Pepcid down later in case his eating too much earlier today has made his tum feel a bit off.
He had some excitement earlier on this afternoon when OH took him on top of the chest (the horrible IKEA one he fell off and which I am going to smash anyday) by the open window and he got very excited and stuck his head outside - his first fresh air for months poor lamb. Only 5 minutes but he does enjoy little adventures when he's feeling ok.

night all, keep warm  :hug: xx
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Post by: bonnielass on January 10, 2009, 20:20:25 PM
Sorry to hear that you havent had such a good day,but im glad he enjoyed his breathe of fresh air, hope you both manage a reasonably peaceful night, and catch some sleep , loads of vibes still coming for Swampy and hugs for you and Max :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 10, 2009, 21:51:47 PM
Oh how lovely that he smelled the fresh air.  Bless him.  I hope he settles down again and you all have a wonderful night - well you know what I mean, can't really be wonderful but as good as possible   :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on January 10, 2009, 22:03:04 PM
 :'( :'( Baby xxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 10, 2009, 23:00:30 PM
back on the 2 hourly 'visits' now. He wouldn't eat much of his food mixed with Zylkene (vain attempt for peaceful night!) but he did enjoy licking out my yoghurt pot. I know it's got sugar in it, but he loves it. night night xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 11, 2009, 08:20:30 AM
A bit of yoghurt eh?  Hope he wasn't too unsettled during the night and that you have a decent day together.  Will check back later as am off to work in a mo sigh :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 11, 2009, 09:43:56 AM
Sorry you didnt have such a good night,would Swampy eat a bit of tuna mixed with rice or chicked, i know sometimes when one of my lot doeasnt want to eat that always manages to tempt them, or a bit of rice pudding maybe,anyway im sending mega mega vibes for him today :Luv: hope you can have a peaceful day  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 11, 2009, 11:06:59 AM
OH took over for a few hours last night so I feel a bit more human today. Swampy apparently had quite a reasonable night, was calm. I'm going to give Pepcid at lunchtime as he's eating, but not that well. I think you can't give it around other meds for a couple of hours, but does anyone know if it's ok to give it at the same time as Cystease? Otherwise will give Cystease later on?


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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 11, 2009, 16:07:18 PM
Can't help with your questions but glad he had a quieter night.  Hopefully his day will have been calm too xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 11, 2009, 19:19:33 PM
I just gave it later on. He's not been too bad today and please send mega vibes for calm as I think I am getting the flu  >:(
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 11, 2009, 20:28:51 PM
Oh dear flu not nice!  I do hope you haven't got this dreadful bug which everyone seems to be catching (touch wood I haven't) cos it knocks you flat on your back.  Also with you being so tired etc I think it will make you feel really rotten.  Fingers crossed it's just a run of the mill cold.  glad Swamp's day wasnt too bad and hope you all get a decent night's sleep  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 12, 2009, 08:30:31 AM
Sorry to hear your not feeling tp good please take care of yourself :hug: hope Swampy had a good night so you were also able to catch some sleep :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 12, 2009, 09:07:06 AM
Hope you are feeling better this morning and managed at least some sleep.  Hope Swampy is calm today and you can at least rest up a bit x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 12, 2009, 12:25:11 PM
got a bit of sleep thanks, although was up as usual 3x with the Swampcat between 12 and 6am - the key though is how fast does he settle after getting me up and it wasn't too bad (although he wanted a walk about at 3.30am and some company for 1/2 hour). Today he did a giant poo (sorry! but true) so I hope his tum may now feel better. I have to go out this afternoon from 4 - 6 so am worried that he'll need help while I am out.
I still can't get used to just leaving him and hoping he's ok and can find his tray and back to bed without too much stress.
His coat is like silk so think the Kaminox must be agreeing with him.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 12, 2009, 15:22:16 PM
There isn't much else you can do really Kate if you have to go out.  The only thing I can think of is to get him used to being in a crate for a while each day so at least you know he is safe?  Not ideal I know and glad you managed some sleep x
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 12, 2009, 20:19:26 PM
Hope Swampy managed whilst you were out. Hope you are feeling much better.  Hope you all had a good day.  Hope you all have a quiet night.  Lots of hopes and loads of love and vibes xxxx
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Post by: bonnielass on January 12, 2009, 21:35:51 PM
How did Swampy manage while you were out? was he okay,i hope so and that you didnt worry to much,sending vibes for a peaceful night and hope you both manage to get some sleep  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 12, 2009, 23:00:28 PM
I got back quicker than I thought, as had got the day of my appointment wrong  :Crazy:  I was out for 2 hours and he was just waking up when I got back. He's been quite grumpy tonight and has slept a lot this afternoon so I'm hoping that he does sleep a bit tonight as could use a bit of shut eye! But it's now time for his steroids so by 3am he should be wide awake.....it's warmer too so I may risk turning off the heating tonight. Hope you all have a good one  :hug:
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Post by: Topsy Turvey on January 12, 2009, 23:58:20 PM
Hope Swampy has a good night tonight Kate x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on January 13, 2009, 08:40:32 AM
Good morning, hope you both had a reasonable night  and managed to catch some sleep, :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 13, 2009, 08:44:30 AM
Morning Swampy peeps.  Hope your night was restful and that Swampy got rid of the grumps.  Perhaps he was cross cos you dared go out and leave him? Plenty of vibes coming your way for a good day. :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 13, 2009, 10:12:35 AM
I'm not sure what to do. Only got 2 hours sleep in 2 bits approx again as he kept getting up and waking me. He had 3 meals between 11pm and 5.30am and when he wants something, he lets me know! He had his steroids at 11 so a bit of activity is sure, but he's been restless again even this morning. Hope he will settle today and especially tonight, as don't feel too good with all this sleep deprivation to be honest. I rest, but my heart rate is fast from lack of sleep. I think putting him in an more confined space would freak him out because he's blind and it would be unfamiliar. Even when he's finding stuff ok (half the night) he still vocalises which wakes me up (through earplugs too).
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 13, 2009, 10:48:23 AM
Oh dear not a good night then?  I know what you mean about the confined space but could you get him used to it gradually?  If not then we will have to all try to think of something else to ease things.  Let's hope he has a calm day  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 13, 2009, 18:37:05 PM
A gentle snuzzle for Swampy, and a hug for you Kate.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on January 13, 2009, 19:23:37 PM
Mid afternoon he was crying, so he ate, then up again, wouldn't settle....put him back and plonked Max in with him in the bed. They started a sort of hyper mutual grooming, which ended in a real playfight - paws batting and ears back. That hasn't happened for a long while. Since then, he's had a couple of hours' sleep at last so I had some rest. A curse being a bad sleeper and not able to sleep in the daytime  - it's dark enough!

The vet emailed that the vet who knows about Selgian is away until next week so I can start it this week and see, or can wait and he will try to possibly speak to her then. I've asked him to as it's not a drug he uses and it may work, or it may be one of those anti depressants where the only first effects you get for weeks are side effects and the positive (if there is one) takes weeks. I've also asked him to ask about side effects. All we know is that it's a calming agent, not supposed to have major sedative effects like diazepam or anything, but if no good it can be stopped without notice.

Swampy's hyperactivity coincides with cutting his antibiotic dose to 1 a day, which the vet now prefers. It may equally have nothing to do with that though. Just hoping for some more snores. OH has (rashly: he's tired from work, still not yet back) promised a few hours in here tonight to give me 3 hours sleep.  His Maxness is sneezing away and Swampy is giving him bath no 5 of the afternoon right now. Long post sorry, but full Swamp-update. thanks for being there for us  :hug: xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 13, 2009, 19:47:28 PM
Wow he played I am impressed.  He seems so up and down and yet his spirit is so much there and apparent.  WTG Swamps you show Max who is boss. Hope you have a restful night  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 13, 2009, 20:42:54 PM
Im glad you managed to catch a little bit of sleep today,hope Swampy settles tonight so you can both catch a bit more, hugs for all  :hug: :hug: :hug: 
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 14, 2009, 07:32:24 AM
Just popped on to see if Swampy, Max and OH between them managed to cover the night shift or part of it and that you, Kate, got some much needed sleep.  Hope the day dawns calm for Swamps x
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Post by: Leanne on January 14, 2009, 11:04:45 AM
Aww way to go Swamps for playing with Max.

More vibes and hugs for you all  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 14, 2009, 15:44:21 PM
got 4 hours sleep last night and am going to need it. Swampy is so restless. He is walking ok and finding stuff, but he just won't settle for more than an hour, then is up and off again and he cries after a minute or two's wandering. I pick him up and there are lots of purrs and chin kisses. Sometimes feeding him calms him, but it's not always food, or tray, or water.  OH says to just leave him to walk and don't react to his crying, but it is so hard. He and Max are now eyebrow nuzzling so he may sleep for an hour.....the vet offered to lend me a crate but I spoke to OH and we can't do it. Swampy would panic I think because he's blind. Plus would have to put Max in it too and the joint decibel level would be horrendous. I may as well just leave him wandering around the room at night as do that.
He had a wander down the passage and a "peek" out of the window at 2 fat canoodling pigeons (I told him they were there!).
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 14, 2009, 16:28:59 PM
Kate give the crate a try, don't lock him in it at all at first, just let him go in and out of it until he gets used to it.  You can stay with him the first few times.  I honestly think it is worth trying.  Let him get used to it gradually, however long it takes.  Maybe the crying is because he can't see and hear and he is just letting everyone know he is around?  Does he seem distressed when he is crying?  Could you sort of walk with him very close to him>?  Just ideas!  Hope he settles  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 14, 2009, 18:47:41 PM
The crying is definitely because he can't see. It just isn't the case that cats always adapt well to loss of sight. He finds it the most stressful of everything and I'm sure it's that, rather than his brain injuries, why he wants and likes constant attention. He adjusted brilliantly to going deaf - it took me months to even realise he was deaf and he travelled with no probs to France and back, enjoying the sun out there, while deaf. He's had a sleep this afternoon, then got up and needed some help - or he got it because I can't just let him wander for longer than 5 minutes. Now he's gone back to his bed with Max, having had a snack. I am hugely upset by the idea of putting him in a crate for a few hours. I know it seems like a good idea as you're right, I have to get some sleep but I can't do it. When he wakes up, he would hit the bars and panic. I would rather he wandered and wet the carpet if he was having one of his confused moments and missed the tray. That time I fell asleep and didn't hear him and he wet the kitchen floor, he just sat down and as soon as I picked him up, he was fine. He also needs to be with Max and no way would Max tolerate being shut in a crate I promise you. The whole building would hear Max in full throttle. Then his stress would set Swampy off too.
We'll have to find another solution to be honest. His big enemy is stress; he's otherwise happy in himself and physically not bad at all, which is why we keep going.  :hug: xx
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on January 14, 2009, 18:51:02 PM
He doesnt seem to be having much fun at the moment does he ?
poor baby seems so stressed, it cant be much fun for him *kisses to Swampy*
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 14, 2009, 19:17:42 PM
well what's so hard (for us, it's good for him) is he isn't just stressed all the time but does enjoy his life too. This morning he loved his trip to the bedroom down the passage. He also loves being picked up and cuddled. And eating his nosh, even if it's k/d he likes it. And curling up and mutual grooming sessions with Max. My diary shows the stress is shorter episodes. But my job is full time with him, to keep them short, if that makes sense?
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 14, 2009, 19:46:07 PM
It's a difficult one and I have said more in my pm reply to you.  You are over tired and over stretched and you need a break and I just so wish I was nearer.  I do understand what you are saying about the crate so forget it, it was a daft suggestion and ill though through.  We will all have to get our heads together on Purrs to see if between us we can think of something to help you.  Swampy seems to be doing as well as he can, it is you who needs the help right now. xxxxxx
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on January 14, 2009, 19:50:29 PM

I have just read back from the 4th Jan...and he hasnt had a good day in those 8, so putting him in a cage is probably not the best thing. The other thing you got to consider is that he only seems settled when he is asleep and if he becomes frighened because of the cage he would then think of sleeping with fear.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on January 14, 2009, 19:51:31 PM
Sorry replied before seeing your reply kate  :evillaugh:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 14, 2009, 20:47:27 PM
Just hoping you can all have some sleep tonight  :hug:
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Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on January 14, 2009, 22:06:19 PM
Hope you manage to get some sleep tonight, Kate  :hug:  Sending lots of calming vibes for Swampy and hugs for Max too  :Luv:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 15, 2009, 06:57:45 AM
Morning Kate, Swampy, Max and OH, hope you all managed a restful night and have a calm day  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 15, 2009, 09:26:11 AM
I hope you had a restful night both of you and that Swampy is calmer today positive vibes and lots of hugs for   :Swampy,Max and for you  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bonkers Mad!!! on January 15, 2009, 09:58:13 AM
hi ther Swampy's mum.  i'm new here and your story is the first i've read.  how incredibly sad, what you've all been through.  i wanted to share my Lupus' story with you to try and give you a bit more hope, if thats ok.

Lupus was 15 weeks old when he ran up a wooden ladder which tipped and landed on his head.  he had swelling of the brain and temporary (the vet said) blindness.  he couldnt use his back legs and was at the vets for a week.  it was touch and go for a while and the stress and worry when he came home was awful.  he had major problems coping with the blindness but slowly, over the course of about 6 months, some of his sight returned ( i think he sees outlines and shadows).  those 6 months while he was recovering were awful for me.  i didnt sleep much either, every noise he made woke me up and i was always scared to leave the house in  case one of the other cats bullied him while i was out.  thinking back on it now it was a very very stressful time.  Lupus was very confused and scared a lot of the time and i sometimes wondered whether it was fair of me to put him through it all.  all in all in took around 6 months+ for him to be mostly recovered.  his sight is still poor and he goes cross eyed and falls over every now and then but he is now nearly 11 years old. 

my thoughts and best wishes are with you all. xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 15, 2009, 10:23:49 AM
Hi, thank you and welcome BM (bonkers mad!  ;D). That's a lovely story; the vet has also said that with brains you can't be sure as they can improve sometimes. I'm so happy it worked out so well for Lupus. Give him a big kiss from us here.  I don't think Swampy is too bad, but his overactivity (what the vets call it) is just so exhausting for us as it is at night and whoever is in the lounge, usually me as OH works full time, has to get up.  It's a pattern of 1, 3,5am approx for 20 mins each time and he wants to eat each time too.

I didn't give him the vivitonin this morning and he's calmer and is fast asleep with Max on the heatpad. Happy snores, with their heads together. Off for some tea and rest for me.  :hug: xx
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Post by: Bonkers Mad!!! on January 15, 2009, 10:34:02 AM
Lupus still has bouts of overactivity which the vet puts down to his brain damage.  his episodes always occur at night (typical) and he runs around the house making awful yowling noises, as if his tail is on fire or demons are chasing him.  he always wakes me up when hes having a nutty half an hour and my dogs never know whether to chase him or to be scared of him.  i took a long time before i got used to his mental behaviour and even now i worry if it goes on for too long.  like i said, it took a long time before he was anything like back to normal and hopefully Swampy will make a good recovery too  :hug:.  i sometimes wonder why we put ourselves through all the pain and heartache of having pets but id rather go through that than to ever be without them.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 15, 2009, 17:38:19 PM
Yes I think it's probably the greatest, most unconditional love there is. I wouldn't have missed a minute with Swampy, despite all the anguish now and to come. He's marked my life in a million ways, all good.

Mr French Passport holder has been asleep all day with even less loo and munch breaks than usual. So his mum had better rest as somehow I don't think he'll be kipping all night.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 15, 2009, 19:12:46 PM
Topping up the hugs for Swampy, Kate.    :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 15, 2009, 19:14:22 PM
BM - saying "Hi" to Lupus from me and Paddy.  ;D  What an inspiration his story is, and what a tribute to your care of him.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 15, 2009, 19:51:39 PM
Hope he does get his down a bit tonight and you can get some zzzzz's. :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 15, 2009, 21:47:36 PM
Hi Kate hope you had a reasonable day with Swampy ,and that you all manage to get some much needed sleep tonight, lots of vibes coming over and hugs  :hug:  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: MrsR on January 15, 2009, 22:23:05 PM
Good vibes being sent over x
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 16, 2009, 06:50:07 AM
Morning - how was your night?  Hope the little fella managed to stay calm and sleepy  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 16, 2009, 09:18:53 AM
Swampy had another bad night. I'm waiting for the vet to call me but I don't think there is anything except diazepam which would calm him and that isn't suitable. I'll post later on when I've spoken to the vet. Please send your prayers and vibes for Swampy. xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 16, 2009, 10:09:49 AM
Many many prayers and every possible vibe is heading over to you all from Manchester.  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 16, 2009, 18:47:16 PM
We both went down at 4.30 for a proper consultation with the vet. He says any meds are guesswork but suggests we try Selgian from tomorrow and a tiny bit of Xanax if necessary at night to see if it helps or not. It's been a very difficult 24 hours so we will see how it goes this weekend with my little one.

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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 16, 2009, 19:39:57 PM
Fingers crossed, am glad OH made it with you.  Hope you all have a quiet night and the little fella calms down.  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 17, 2009, 08:45:32 AM
How are things this morning? Fingers crossed Swampy had a calm night and you all managed to get some  sleep,sending those healing/calming vibes for you both and lots of hugs :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 17, 2009, 09:15:57 AM
Ditto  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 17, 2009, 11:54:27 AM
He's calm at the mo', asleep. He had his first Selgian today. If it does actually work to calm him, I will move the dose to at night. No point him sleeping all day and up all night. OH was in here most of the night and said Swampy needed help at 1, 3 etc as per normal, but he wasn't agitated. One day at a time, or even less than that.

xx  :hug: to everyone, hope the sun's out with you too.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 17, 2009, 14:07:36 PM
Bless.  It might just be a cat thing?  They are supposedly nocturnal and sleep during the day (wish someone would tell Charlie that).  If the med does help calm him etc then probably better to give it at the night time instead.  Hope you manage to get some rest and relaxation today whilst the little guy is zzzzzzing,.  Sunny here too but very cold with it.  Looks like spring until you go outside.  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 17, 2009, 18:57:36 PM
Im glad Swampy was a bit calmer last night hope it continued through today as well, and that you managed to get some me time,as im sure you could use some.calming vibes coming over that you have a peaceful night  and hugs for all :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on January 17, 2009, 19:30:49 PM
Not been on here for a while but wanted to pop in and top up these for Swampy and his family. :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 17, 2009, 19:44:39 PM
Hope your day has been calm and that your night will be too   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 17, 2009, 22:17:11 PM
http://s330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/?action=view&current=MVI_4324.flv


Swampy says he may be old and dizzy and very unwell but he still knows just what he likes best.

xx  :hug:  :hug:

(photobucket forum link 'copied' just fine but just wouldn't paste on here so please let me know if this isn't just the link to this video but my whole folder!).


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Post by: bonnielass on January 17, 2009, 22:30:36 PM
That was brilliant to watch, i love the yoghurt on his nose, hope your night is calm and peaceful :hug: and lots of hugs for a special old and dizzy  very unwell kitty and not forgetting Max, :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on January 17, 2009, 22:50:22 PM
 :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 18, 2009, 06:08:42 AM
Aaaaah that little face tucking into his yoghurt with gusto.  Made my eyes fill up.  Hope you all had a good night and that you have a peaceful sunny day and a spot of sun for Swamps.
 :hug: xx
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Post by: madkittyrescue on January 18, 2009, 08:42:17 AM
awww bless him.  Lots of :Luv2: and extra :hug: for little swamps.  he's such a darling.    and a extra :hug: for you hun!
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Post by: bonnielass on January 18, 2009, 08:49:12 AM
Hope you and Swampy had a peaceful night after his selgian and that today is  calm for you all, healing and calming vibes still coming your way :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 18, 2009, 14:05:05 PM
My beloved yoghurt eater is sleeping now, but we had a tough night from 4.30 onwards. I didn't get any sleep - too hyped up, like I'd had strong coffee (I hadn't). I hope tonight's better. I plan to give him some more yoghurt later as it's really something he loves. Selgian tonight then to see if it has any effect or not.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 18, 2009, 15:50:28 PM
http://s330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/?action=view&current=MVI_4324.flv


Swampy says he may be old and dizzy and very unwell but he still knows just what he likes best.


 :)   :hug:
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Post by: Baggy on January 18, 2009, 16:56:07 PM
:hug: bless Swampy, and bless you.  Hope you manage to have a better night.
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Post by: Gail Bengal Slave on January 18, 2009, 17:40:00 PM
AWWW bless that yogurt loving babe - Max  looking as if to say 'where's mine Mum?'
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Post by: bonnielass on January 18, 2009, 18:36:37 PM
Hope you,ve had a reasonable day and that you all managed to relax a little bit :hug: did Swampy get his yoghurt ;)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 18, 2009, 20:35:27 PM
Just popped on to say hope you all have a quiet and restful night  :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on January 18, 2009, 22:33:25 PM
Love the yoghurt video  :Luv2: Hope all is peaceful tonight.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 19, 2009, 08:57:45 AM
He did a lot of vocalising last night and was predictably very awake, having been asleep most of the day. I've emailed the vet to ask him to please speak to the FABcats vet who recommended Selgian to see if it can sometimes make dementia worse. His dementia is suddenly worse at night for no apparent reason. The other vet who came in December told me dementia usually just doesn't get 'worse' suddenly. I hope my vet will ring her - tbc. We really feel a bit on our own now.

On the bright side, he's been cheerful this morning, had a trip down the passage and he did get his yoghurt last night (of course!) and got it all over his nose again. When he was a kitten, he once got his whole face stuck in a yoghurt pot. (don't worry, Max does get some too, but he does a fine line in persecuted expressions does our Max).
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Post by: bonnielass on January 19, 2009, 09:03:24 AM
Im sorry you all had a bad night hope today will be better and hopefully get the info you want asap. sending positive vibes for you all and lots of hugs :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 19, 2009, 10:04:02 AM
It seems as if his body clock is sleep in the daytime and up at night!  What a shame you can't sleep in the day when he sleeps.  Hope you have a restful and calm day.  :hug:
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Post by: Bonkers Mad!!! on January 19, 2009, 10:20:38 AM
it took a long time before i got used to Lupus' noisy night times and now they only happen once a week-ish.  they still wake me up but i only get up now if i hear him run into something.  hopefully swampys episodes will calm down with time  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 19, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
If he could see it would help so much - but he can't. He is a different cat at night than in the daytime. I just don't know what to do. The vet's now made it clear that we are on our own with any decisions too.
The only thing I know is I'm going to keep Swampy up this evening if possible so that he can be a bit more tired at night. He is so peaceful right now and has had lots of purrs for me. I'm worried if I have to leave him unattended for a few hours to get some sleep that he will wake the neighbours with his crying. It's very quiet here at night and the converted house is far from sound proof. Their bedroom is behind our kitchen/lounge wall.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 19, 2009, 12:46:29 PM
Let's hope you can tire him out today and he can have a restful night, you too of course  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 19, 2009, 18:20:49 PM
I've had a thought which is probably useless. Do you think if i leave all the lights on in the lounge that he may be fooled into not realising that it's the middle of the night? Has anyone tried that for nocturnal agitation or crying?  Although he is blind (and that causes most of his distress) he can, I think, distinguish light from dark. Not sure if his cat diurnal rhythm would override any attempts to fool him. He is just so much more sleepy and eats/drinks/wees less during the day; we even had a 4 hour between wees today. He can be up every hour at night and vocalises so much more.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 19, 2009, 18:24:52 PM
It's worth a try but you might have to keep the room darkened during the day?  I had another thought, would a water fountain maybe help Swamps to find his water.  I know he is deaf but maybe the vibration of the pump might guide him?  just a thought bash me if you think it's stupid :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 19, 2009, 18:27:38 PM
Its certainly worth a try,i know that sometimes George (oldie going blind ) cries in the night sometimes and if i put a bedside lamp on it seems to calm him down and he settles down again. :hug: thats a good idea for a water fountain, agaim worth a try
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Post by: Bonkers Mad!!! on January 19, 2009, 19:35:33 PM
leaving the light on is a good idea if he has any sort of vision at all.  Lupus seems to see some objects but gets scared of others and bumps into others.  i leave the landing light on and the kitchen light.  it's funny as i suppose over the years i must have got used to it.  since reading this thread i've noticed that he has a nutty almost every night (i thought it was maybe once a week).  the noise he makes is not quite a yowl, its a yowl with a purr inside.  he does sleep a lot during the day too, something else i'd stopped noticeing.  Lupus loves yoghurt too  :Luv2:

hope you and Swampy have a good night tonight
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 19, 2009, 20:14:16 PM
Hoping your night is peaceful and that Swamps has tired himself out during the day today  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 19, 2009, 21:07:09 PM
that's not a bad idea at all about the water fountain - do they make a noise or just vibrate away and are they the same size as the average water bowl? I'm worried about change meaning he won't drink. And too much noise = Max will have a panic attack and not go near it either (Max can be daft).

I read this http://www.messybeast.com/nighttime-calling.htm

which is useful. It also mentions a crate or confined area not being stressful but the opposite. I don't know if that would apply with his brain problems, but perhaps we could try it for an hour or less and see how he gets on. I don't think I have an option with him being free-range in the lounge but to react to his cries, as he needs help to find the tray or water sometimes. If that's reinforcing his crying, probably, but I don't see how I could not do it. The only thing is how to involve Max. Lying next to Max is the best relax for Swampy.

I got him up for his pill and walked around a bit but he then got agitated and wanted his bed again. I am going to walk him down and around the passage at 10 or 10.30 tonight to try to tire him a bit so he sleeps for at least a few hours. That's the theory anyway. xx
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Post by: bonnielass on January 19, 2009, 21:55:40 PM
Just read that article and found it very interesting as george(oldie) has started doing this day and night,i spoke to Sam about it the other day to see if she had any ideas about this, as hes almost 19 i have been monitering him closely and found his eyesight is not so good so he gets a bit disorientated when he wakes, then starts calling i have been at a loss to this issue but that article explains a lot, so now i know what to do. i leave a light on for him but i think as he wont sleep in the bedroom(took up residence on the stairs) i might just start shutting him in the spare room with his bed near the heater for his own safety.                                                                                                                                                                                               I hope your plan to tire Swampy out works and you both manage to get some much needed sleep sleep, so try and have a relative peaceful night.just had a thought on the crate idea could you possibly aquire a very large dog cage so that both Max and Swampy could share and try that for an hour to see how they settle?As i said just an idea, anyway lots of relaxing vibes on there way for all :hug: :hug:                                                                                                     
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 20, 2009, 07:00:02 AM
My water fountain makes a nice running water noise and the pump isn't noisy but as pumps vibrate thought it might help.  Don't think it would be loud enough to freak Max.  Might be worth a shot.  Anything that makes things a bit easier.  Hope your night was calmer and am off to read the link you posted now.   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 20, 2009, 09:25:33 AM
Are there any water fountains you recommend?  We have a PAH not too far away if I can get out and get there, otherwise would have to order online. Are their drinking areas the same size as a normal water bowl? They have a round ceramic 110mm dish. It would need to be similar or Swampy may be confused by it. I wish water smelt like 'water'!

Swampy had a better night in general. He got walked down the passage 3x before bed, but I'm not sure it was that, he just seemed to be feeling a bit better. Got me up at 1 as usual, but at 1.30 he'd wee'd, eaten and pooed so I decided to let him cry and see, especially as he was able to find stuff ok. He cried for about 10 mins, then went back to bed until 4. Won't work every night of course, but although I couldn't get back to sleep after he woke me, at least I got some rest.  He seems to have forgotten to wee so far today (last one 4.45am) as he pooed at 8, so suppose his little brain thinks he's been! I have an appointment at 3 - 4.30 so am hoping he will be ok so I can keep it.
off to interrupt the happy snores with a fortekor. I waited for him to wake up, but he's warm and cozy. xx
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Post by: Leanne on January 20, 2009, 09:32:59 AM
More vibes for you all  :hug: :hug: :hug:

I have a drinkwell platinum I have found its vibrates and can be noisy when not completely full

http://www.vetuk.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=776

I also had a catit previous but it was too fussy to clean and both cats prefered running water, but this one is quieter

http://www.petplanet.co.uk/product.asp?dept_id=363&pf_id=4193
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 20, 2009, 09:36:19 AM
thanks  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 20, 2009, 11:01:48 AM
Im so happy you managed a reasonable night and hope everything is okay for the vets visit today,will send some calming vibes for Swampy :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 20, 2009, 21:44:28 PM
Just popping by to wish you all a restful night.   :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 21, 2009, 06:55:45 AM
Sending a little gentle chin tickle for the Yoghurt Pot Kid.   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 21, 2009, 09:18:02 AM
what (relative) bliss, in that the Swampcat got up at midnight, 3 and 6 last night and did what he had to do without too much vocalising so I got a lovely 3 1/2 hours approx and what was better still was Max got the hump with me for not producing food for HIM (just Swamp) during the night so slept all night with Swampy in their bed.  I hope he will settle this am as have to go out and always worry when I do. I weighed them both yesterday. Swampy is now 4.7kgs, down 200g from last time.
Max now weighs in at a colossal 5.8kgs and I'm really not feeding him much. He's not big on exercise  :innocent:  but he's the happiest he's been, with me home all day, heating on etc. Him being happy helps Swampy too.
xx


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Post by: bonnielass on January 21, 2009, 10:33:47 AM
fANTASTIC NEWS , :wow:im so glad you managed a good night and that Swampy did too.im sure Max will forgive you if you treat him ;) and if as you say Swampy is happy if Max is then it all helps.Im sure they will be okay while your out and you will come back to 2 sleepy heads so try not to worry to much (hard i know )send more calming vibes for them while your gone and hugs for you :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 21, 2009, 16:46:46 PM
Well that's really good news Kate, WTG Swampy boy.  Maybe with the Selgian and what Sarah recommended you might get a calmer Swampy.  Hope his day and yours is good.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 21, 2009, 21:44:30 PM
Just here with my goodnight wishes.  Hope you have a quiet one with plenty of rest :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 21, 2009, 23:18:31 PM
Just wanted to wish you another peaceful night with Swampy, and hope you all manage some sleep again.lots of vibes and hugs for all :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 22, 2009, 08:00:57 AM
Morning Swampy Max Kate and OH

Hope you had a lovely quiet night and some good quality sleep.  Hope you don't have as much rain today as we are having and that there is some spot of sunlight for Swampy to bask in.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 22, 2009, 08:49:58 AM
Morning, no it's a vile day here too, definitely no sun.  We had a tricky night as he was awake and crying a lot and wanted comforting (cuddles and purrs) so very senior I think. He also ate a lot during the night, about 1/2 can of K/d!  But I'm fretting because this morning he went to the tray and sat and nothing happened. He had wee'd a couple of hours earlier, so I'm so hoping that it's just a senior moment and not anything sinister. I just gave him some more k/d with a teaspoon of water added and am waiting to see what happens next time.
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Post by: bonnielass on January 22, 2009, 10:05:19 AM
Its a vile day here also, sorry to hear you had a bad night,just a thought ,could the weather be upsetting Swampy? a kind of feline SAD,i know some of my lot tend to react to weather conditions especially if its dark and windy, they get restless and wont settle.Hopefully when he went to the tray he perhaps thought he.d already been and fingers crossed he will go soon. sending some calm/healing vibes for a more settled day :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 22, 2009, 17:29:46 PM
We've got a SAD light now, that he and his mum sit under in the mornings. Much needed this morning when it barely bothered to get light. I can't say I notice it making any difference for him. He's very purry but demands attention and makes horrible noises if I don't react immediately. The tray has been visited normally thank God, one less thing to worry about at the moment. It must have been a senior moment this morning but you know how I worry about him.
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Post by: bonnielass on January 22, 2009, 17:40:32 PM
Yes i know you worry about him and its only natural and no-one knows Swampy like you ,so anything different you are bound to pick up on, but please hard tho it may be try not to worry to much,it cant be good for you and im sure he picks up on this, i know hes blind but has he still got his hearing, if so have you tried leaving the radio for him,i always leave mine on for my lot,dont know if it does any good but at least its not complete silence. just a thought. anyway hope tonight is a bit better for you all and you manage some sleep  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 22, 2009, 18:51:32 PM
I think he's got you well trained Kate bless him
 :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 22, 2009, 21:17:53 PM
good night wishes for a calm and peaceful time  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 23, 2009, 07:14:49 AM
Just wanted to send an early morning snuzzle for Swampy.  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 23, 2009, 07:51:37 AM
Well its miserable here,foggy and drizzling, type of day to stay indoors nice and snug ;) hope you had a good night and that Swampy and you managed to get some sleep,sending those vibes and hugs still for you all :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 23, 2009, 07:59:41 AM
Same here weather wise BL hope Swamps is safe and calm and warm hugging with Max  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 23, 2009, 09:26:01 AM
we had not too bad a night, thanks. He's a bit less calm this morning, but I'm hoping he'll settle down and have a good snooze.  He is going to take Activait as well but I need to speak to the vet today, IF possible about all the meds and how things are.
It's not bothered to get light here today, just awful. I have the SAD light on full blast.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 23, 2009, 20:38:00 PM
Well I hear the little man had a waltz with his mum today, how lovely.  Hope you all have a calm night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 23, 2009, 22:35:27 PM
Yes he was a bit stressy and turning right, so I picked him up and we had a bit of a cuddle all right and my chin got lots of nibbles. It makes all the nursing really worthwhile.
Swampy has had his Selgian dose upped to 1 pill. Apparently I was giving the small dog dose which is too little. Managed to chat to the vet tonight and got the run down on the meds and doses which is a relief.

night all, sleep well and hope the sun comes out tomorrow where you are. xx  :hug:
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Post by: Bonkers Mad!!! on January 23, 2009, 22:49:57 PM
hope you all have a good night  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 24, 2009, 08:58:56 AM
Hope you all had a good night again, and that the day progresses nicely as well, its very frosty here but the sun is shining so hope it is where you are and that Swampy manages to find a nice spot to catch some :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 24, 2009, 09:42:55 AM
It was my night off but apparently he was ok until 4am when he got agitated again. This morning I had to take him down the passage for a walk (much enjoyed by him) at 8am to stop his agitation. He's had his Activait for the first time so I'm hoping that will work asap too. OH is going to Swampy-sit this morning so I am going out! Very cold here too.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 24, 2009, 12:36:36 PM
I wonder if walking him round different parts of the house, slowly and gently and occasionally might give him a bit of stimulation and tire him too?  I think I said before, could you carry him out in the garden for 5 mins to let him sniff the air?  Anyway hope you manage to get some time to yourself today and hope that Swampy does ok  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 24, 2009, 15:22:59 PM
Yes I think you're right about walking him around sometimes as he gets bored. The garden's tricky. It's 55 stairs down, round the corner of the building and through a gate - and Swampy is not used to it or anything. I think he may panic even on the staircase. We used to take him out of the kitchen window into our 'own little garden' on the flat roof when it was warmer and if we got a really nice day and he wasn't too poorly that day, we could try that. It is a 2 person job though as 1 person goes out and the other would pass him through the window! When he could see he used to get lifted up on to the kitchen surface and would get outside and back by himself. I'm nervous to do it while it's so cold though.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 24, 2009, 20:29:22 PM
Well even if he just had a sniff at the open window for a while,maybe you could wrap him in a blanket?  Anyway I am sure variety can be the spice of life and it might open up his world just a little.  Glad you got some time out today and the little man managed.  Hope you have a quiet night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 25, 2009, 08:26:45 AM
It was my 'night off' but it seemed to be an average one. Must try to get OH to give Swampy his pills more often though as he's really bad at it. He told me Swampy had had Pepcid at the 4th attempt at 1am. This morning I was washing the night's food dishes - a tiny pink deposit on one of them!
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Post by: bonnielass on January 25, 2009, 10:02:21 AM
Hope you enjoyed your night off and managed to get some sleep,Oh needs some pill popping lessons i think :rofl: hope Swampy and you have a relaxing day :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 25, 2009, 10:41:22 AM
Well glad you managed a decent time yesterday, getting out and enjoying yourself for lunch.  Also pleased you had a night off - naughty Swampy leaving his meds.  Hope the day is calm and the new meds start to kick in soon  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 25, 2009, 20:24:49 PM
I'm hoping that my vet gets hold of the FABcats' vet this week and finds out how long it should be before we can definitely say the Selgian should work, or hasn't worked. One day at a time in the meantime. He's needing help today but we did a lot of tidying out and he enjoyed wandering and the smells in the passage and is now hollering for more food. I think it may be quite a disturbed night though.
night night xx  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 25, 2009, 23:10:59 PM
Maybe the new experiences today will help him get some rest tonight and you,fingers crossed for a peaceful night for Swampy :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 26, 2009, 06:25:51 AM
Hope his adventures yesterday gave Swampy and you a quiet night.   :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 26, 2009, 20:59:29 PM
Hope you have had a peaceful and calm day with Swampy and that the same goes for the evening. sending calming vibes for you all :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 26, 2009, 22:35:42 PM
Night night God Bless to you all from a very stressed Mancunian  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 26, 2009, 22:56:40 PM
God bless too to Manchester from this mad flat. Let's hope tonight brings peaceful sleep for everyone and tomorrow a bit of sun.  We had a surveyor here today for our remortgage and of course I had to move the futon, lounge litter tray, tidy up etc etc and Swampy of course got up just as he arrived and demanded the tray, food.....madcatwoman I could see him think.  Swampy is now totally intolerant of any delay in seeing to what he needs, like an old person or a little baby.  But OH gently threw him up in the air once and caught him in his arms (I nearly passed out) - Swampy purred. He must have somehow remembered that from his younger days.
 :hug: xx to everyone.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on January 27, 2009, 07:12:22 AM
 :hug: :hug:  Memories are pure gold.   :)   Especially ones that make us purr.
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Post by: bonnielass on January 27, 2009, 07:46:08 AM
Good morning from a very foggy and damp Mansfield, hope the sun is shining where you are. How was Swampy last night? did you all manage to catch some sleep.  I hope you have a peaceful day and Swampy finds a big patch os sunshine to sleep in, :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 27, 2009, 10:18:56 AM
Swampy was a bit manic at 1am and we were up for an hour while he ate as much as he could. When he's like that, he eats a lot. then up again at 4.30 and 6.30, which counts as a reasonable night although his mum is a bit poggle eyed. The sun is out so I am going out and hope he doesn't decide he needs anything he can't find while I am out!
 :hug: hope it's now sunny everywhere. He's not in the sun but has his SAD lamp on him.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 27, 2009, 10:35:55 AM
Now I know I am definitely losing it I could have sworn I did my morning Swampy post but is it there?  Noooo.  Anyway it went something like this ...

Good morning for a gloriously sunny if a bit nippy Manchester.  Hope you had a quiet night ( you didn't) and hope the sun is shining for you and there are lots of sunny patches for Max and Swampy to lie in

 :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 27, 2009, 12:58:02 PM
Now I know I am definitely losing it I could have sworn I did my morning Swampy post but is it there?  Noooo.  Anyway it went something like this ...

Good morning for a gloriously sunny if a bit nippy Manchester.  Hope you had a quiet night ( you didn't) and hope the sun is shining for you and there are lots of sunny patches for Max and Swampy to lie in

 :hug:

I lost it long ago! Max is happy in a sun puddle. Swampy slept all morning and is snotty and sneezing a bit so have left a message for the vet about whether to put him back on antibiotics.  I put him in his own sun puddle but he wouldn't stay. Wanted to go back to his heatpad bed.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 27, 2009, 15:30:43 PM
He's not daft is he Kate we would all like to retire to our heated beds this time of year.  Sorry he is sniffy and hope the meds can sort him again.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 27, 2009, 20:35:39 PM
Hope you had a lovely calm day and that you all get some good sleep times tonight  :hug: :Luv2:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 27, 2009, 21:33:16 PM
He slept from 3 o clock until 8.30pm, which is really long for him, then was a bit manic (to be graphic, he's constipated which makes him manic) so I think it could be a long night. He has steroids at 11 which always makes him get up and eat a few hours later too. Back on 1 antibiotic a day - I'm not sure how that can be enough, but the vet is fussing about Swampy's kidneys with long term a.bs. We don't think that his kidneys are the issue to be honest.

anyhow hope everyone and their littlies have a good, peaceful and warm night. Please send snoozy vibes for Swampy to kick in about 3am!  :hug:xx
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Post by: bonnielass on January 27, 2009, 21:59:55 PM
Did you manage to get some  rest while  Swampy was snoozing? hope the night isnt to disturbed for you and Swampy and sending those extra snoozy vibes for him ,set the clock to start sending them at 3am ;)  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on January 27, 2009, 22:49:41 PM
Hope you get a good night's sleep and Swampy too.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 28, 2009, 08:28:57 AM
OH did some of the night in here because I was a bit cooked last night. Swampy is more confused on this whole pill than he was on the half dose so I've emailed the vet to try to get him to speak to the FABcats' vet who recommended it and I've asked if he could set me up with a phone consultation with her. Probably won't happen (ego). I sent quite a barky email but I'm tired and this is hard and I need some advice from someone who has actually used the drug, if possible.
Swampy is a lot calmer but needs more help because of his confusion. I don't want to mess around with the dose if it's suddenly going to start to work after 3 weeks, like they say on the box.
Little mouse has had a good breakfast and is sleeping now, after having had a cuddle, songs and umpteen kisses. Big burmese purrs to everyone  :hug:

not even light here today so the SAD light is on full for him.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 28, 2009, 11:57:35 AM
Kate have you actually tried to speak to the FABcats vet yourself?  If not it might be worth cutting Alan out of the loop even if it offends him because he has made no effort to do it despite you asking him to several times.

Hope the day goes well for you all  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 28, 2009, 19:34:38 PM
He had a long chat with the FABcats' vet tonight, who he says was thoughtful and nice. She wouldn't just call him -he had to fax her a form and Swampy's whole medical history first! But the idea is to drop Swampy's bp by putting him on a tiny dose of Istin, half the dose of Selgian and Zylkene (she likes Zylkene). So that will start tomorrow. We'll have to play around with doses so that he is calm without being a zombie, but she wants his bp at 140 - 160 tops whereas it is currently about 170 when he is relaxed. I'll have to do a minute dose of Istin as it really does drop bp and he may get hypotension - no way to constantly measure it at home either.

Btw if anyone out there is interested in meds for dementia (Selgian and vivitonin are for that), she says don't mix them. Give one or the other.

off to rest before night time!  :hug: xx to everyone.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 28, 2009, 20:53:27 PM
That sounds more positive I guess it is just a matter of jiggling until the right combination is there.  Glad Alan eventually spoke to the other vet.  Wishes for a quiet night with some rest for you all  :hug:
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on January 28, 2009, 21:15:08 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 29, 2009, 06:33:56 AM
Morning Swampy's camp.  how was your night?  Hope the day has some little nice adventures, some sunshine and plenty of calm
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 29, 2009, 08:55:18 AM
Sunshine looks decidedly impossible today but Swampy had a calm night. Selgian does really calm, maybe too much, so his dose is down to 1/2 again and now he's going on istin to lower his bp, I told the vet I'll try it, but if he becomes a zombie and no longer wants or enjoys his adventures, it's no good. Calm is excellent and the manic episodes are now very few and far between. So it's a question of trying to get the doses right.

He's now sometimes only getting up to wee when he's desperate which means the carpet has another stain as I didn't hear him and he missed the tray. Bio washing powder or is there something else better? there's a mark, but no smell. I will put down puppy pads in the area tonight just in case.

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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 29, 2009, 09:06:19 AM
That is sounding positive, looks like the meds are starting to help him.  Much nicer if he doesn't have the manic episodes but just some adventures in the day to tire him out.  Hope the bp meds help further can't send you any sunshine from murky Manchester to brighten your day but can send you loads of  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 29, 2009, 19:02:59 PM
Given how he's been, he did an amazing thing this evening although don't think Max found it so amazing really. I'd fed Swampy and given him his first Istin dose and he was a bit unsettled in his bed (where he eats). I put a plate of turkey pate for Max next door to the bed on the floor on a newspaper so that Max would not be jealous. Max was enjoying it, when Swampy got up and wobbled his head a bit to 'find' where the nice smell was coming from, then started elbowing Max off the plate and promptly ate the rest of the pate and went back to bed! Both now snoring with heads on each other.  I can only think his little walk down the passage did him some good but am nervous of the Istin too....
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 29, 2009, 19:06:20 PM
Wow the little sod.  How lovely (not for Max of course).  Try not to worry, Swamps is doing really well at the moment,.  Hoping you all have a peaceful sleep filled night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 30, 2009, 08:22:17 AM
Think it must be the Istin. I have been up with Swampy all night. He has been unhappy and unable to settle. All the calm from the last week is gone. I don't know what the life of Istin is in a cat and how soon it will work itself out, but just hope and pray we can get back to how he was yesterday afternoon before I gave it to him. I didn't feel right about it anyhow but had expected over sedation, not this. At 3am I googled side effects and the only I can find for agitation is overdosage, which he didn't have.
Fridays are a nightmare to get hold of the vet, but I am going to have to try.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 30, 2009, 11:42:10 AM
Hopefully he will calm again when the med is out of his system.  See how he gets on, hopefully he will not be too manic  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 30, 2009, 13:21:55 PM
Bit calmer now and at last asleep, thanks  :hug:

Vet says it may not be the Istin, so can I try again tonight and see.   :Crazy: I just said no, sorry. Swampy's bp pre-Selgian was 170 - ok that's above normal but not by a huge lot and the other vet wants it 140 - 160 to avoid manic episodes. So we may just leave it until he can have a home visit and if it still is high and he's still having agitation problems, we could try an increased fortekor dose as that lowers bp a bit, probably 10 - 20 points.
Swampy's exhausted now poor little boy. I am staying with him today.
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Post by: bonnielass on January 30, 2009, 17:41:11 PM
Poor Swampy,   :Luv: hope the tablets worn off now and hes feeling better and wish for a calmer night for all of you :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 30, 2009, 18:29:06 PM
He was calmer this afternoon, had a good sleep and ate fine, but then licked himself and Max and vomited (furball & a bit of coldy nasal drip I think) which freaked him out again. Nearly an hour later I've got him to settle in bed again. He gets incredibly stressed if he vomits, then he wanted to eat some green plant - he's blind so he tried to eat the Bastis tent whiskers, which was bright of him as I realised immediately I had to go and fetch the spider plant (both of them love attacking that still to settle their tums) and then poor boy had to poo in the middle of all of that. That is all very stressful for him.
I'm hoping now that he will be calm as that was a lot to deal with in one go.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 30, 2009, 19:48:59 PM
God Bless him some of the things are funny but in a sad way.  Have you got any cat grass you can grow indoors to save your spider plant?

I think a home visit is good as he hasn't had one for ages.  It's a great shame he has had this setback as he was doing quite well.  I hope it was the meds that caused it cos now you aren't giving it to him he will maybe stay calm

Lots of positive vibes for a stress free sleep filled night for you all  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 30, 2009, 20:47:41 PM
The spider plant (s) are grown just for them!  I carefully regrow the 'baby spider plants' and when they are big enough, they get munched. Trouble is, they then come up on the carpet.

night night  :hug: xx

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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 31, 2009, 06:48:39 AM
Morning, how was your night?  Hope the little fella maintained his calm and you all got some sleep?  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 31, 2009, 08:15:33 AM
I got some sleep, not too sure about Swampy and OH though as OH was in here last night. OH is now catching up but was too tired to keep any notes but I think he said Swampy was calm but up a lot. That seems to be the way of things now.
This morning he's eaten 2 meals, had his pills and had a good cuddle and is now working on another furball (licking Max).
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 31, 2009, 19:46:25 PM
Hope your day was better than mine!  Positive vibes for a peaceful night for you all  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on January 31, 2009, 20:03:27 PM
Glad to hear Swampy is calmer :Luv: and that you managed to get some much needed sleep. fingers crossed that the night is peaceful for all. sending lots of positve vibes :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on January 31, 2009, 20:34:22 PM
Swampy has slept all day. I had to wake him twice for meds or to remind him he may want to use the tray. Will probably be awake all night. It's very unusual. We went out briefly and I rushed back to make sure he was not alone when he got up but he just must have needed to sleep today. He was last up at 2.15 and if he hadn't had to have his pills at 8pm, he'd have kept on zzzzing.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on January 31, 2009, 20:51:15 PM
You know Kate, when my Guinness (RIP) was 18 she used to sleep all the time and just get up for meals and wees and poos
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 01, 2009, 07:02:20 AM
Morning, how was your night?  Hope it was full of nice warm and snuggly zzzzzz's?  Hope the same will be true of your Sunday.  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on February 01, 2009, 07:47:40 AM
Good morning ,hope your night was,nt too eventful and that you all managed to get some sleep and keep warm in this bitter cold weather thats decended on us again :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 01, 2009, 10:44:46 AM
Yes it would be fine if Swampy slept an awful lot, because he is older than his 17 years in his brain anyhow because of his troubles. Max is only 15 but kips most of the time and just gets up to eat (ahem) and use the tray and drink. Swampy's always got up more often and now with his brain stem injury he has times when he won't settle. So it's unusual, but quite welcome. It won't last though I'm sure! We've had a lovely cuddle this morning and he's now really curled up in snore mode.  OH spent most of last night in here (I am on duty from tonight for the week) and said he had to get up twice, which is ok.
It's very cold here too so up north and east must be even worse.
 :hug: xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 01, 2009, 20:36:17 PM
How's today been for you all?  Hope the night is full of sleep and peace.  Sweet dreams  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 01, 2009, 20:50:04 PM
thank you  :hug:  Swampy has been up a lot today and visiting the tray often as a result. The opposite of yesterday, but he is calm and so far is walking ok, just it's odd what happens. I hope he will sleep tonight after his very awake day, but think he may just keep getting up through the night as he's done that before. Of course I worry about him peeing so often again, whereas yesterday he was going 5 - 6 hours without getting up. It's very difficult to lie in bed while he's up and walking as I feel I have to get up and help him out, but I help him and settle him, then he's off again.
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Post by: bonnielass on February 01, 2009, 22:00:22 PM
Its nice to hear that you had a calm day and i hope that will go for the night as well and that Swampy has tired himself out and gets some rest :hug:sending lots of calming vibes for him and hugs for you all :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 02, 2009, 08:16:02 AM
not too bad a night and early am. There's a few inches of snow here (London has ground to a halt lol) and it's very cold so the heating's on full blast next to their bed (which is under the radiator). Hope everyone's keeping warm.
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Post by: bonnielass on February 02, 2009, 08:27:56 AM
Im pleased to hear you had a reasonable night with Swampy :) and hope today is just as good and that he remains calm, it very cold here in Mansfield to and we have a covering of snow as well and from the looks of the sky more to come, :wow:hope you all mansge to keep warm and snug :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 02, 2009, 08:30:57 AM
Good to hear Kate, hope it continues.  Snow here so I am in hibernation but Charlie is whizzing round.  Read his latest antics on the Help (general cat chat).  Hope Swampy and Max enjoy some cuddles but also hope Swampy does some adventuring to tire him out  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 02, 2009, 19:07:34 PM
Am hoping you all had a decent day and that you get some rest tonight  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 03, 2009, 06:47:35 AM
One of those nights. Although he found everything and was walking fine, he still shouted for food all the time. He went to the tray at 2, 3.30, 4.30 and 6.30am which is obviously way too often. I have kept feeding him but he won't settle for long. At some point today he is probably going to just want to sleep. He's quite calm and purry but it's really tiring for us both. I just hope that the weeing isn't a urinary problem but is him forgetting that he doesn't really need to wee yet again.
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Post by: bonnielass on February 03, 2009, 08:28:20 AM
Sorry you both had a bad night if Swampy sleeps today you may also be able to grab some much needed sleep too :tired: Dont go looking for problems, is he actually weeing when he goes to the tray?sounds silly but could you monitor(if not already ) whether he wee,s a lot or is it just a couple of drops  ,if its just a couple of drops he,s probably forgot hes already been,Im having a similar problem with George, not the weeing bit but yowling through the night (every 2 hours ) for food hes in the early stages of dementia and even tho i leave biscuits down for him and a little bit of wet food he forgets where it is and then starts yowling cause hes hungry,funny thing is tho he never forgets where his water bowl is,anyway i hope you manage to get some sleep today and sending some calming vibes for Swampy :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 03, 2009, 10:25:18 AM
Oh no, sorry you had a rough night but glad he wasn't manic.  Bless him it's no fun getting old is it?  Hope you all have a peaceful day and that you can at least get to relax as I know you wont sleep.  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 03, 2009, 20:12:42 PM
Good night wishes for a sleepy one  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 03, 2009, 22:31:43 PM
One of us is sleepy, guess which one?! I'm going to try to give him a good meal and hope he will settle. He's already started with his 1 1/2 hour trip to the tray, having been 2 1/2 - 3 all day....!
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Post by: bonnielass on February 04, 2009, 07:19:08 AM
Would that be you Kate :evillaugh: i do hope he settled and allowed you some sleep, but if not im sure he will allow you some today, :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 04, 2009, 07:43:02 AM
OH had to work until midnight so volunteered to stay in here until 2am, which took one of the night calls away and let me get a couple of hours. (I can't sleep during the day  :censored:)! That's what it's turning into (night shift work) as Swampy's cat rhythms get him up and even if he finds his loo just fine, he shouts for food and won't settle until he gets some. I think if he didn't have to have pills during the day, he'd not eat nearly as much during the day. I give him a snack after his pills always too. At least I suppose he is eating well!  Lately in the night he has done one very loud shout. Then if it's not responded to immediately, it becomes a longer shout. Lovely at 2am that. What's changed too is sometimes he gets up an hour after using the tray, so it's not just getting up for the tray. Max then gets fed up and I think jealous and bounds up into the mezzanine (thinking positive, that is exercise for the sedentary Max!) and starts singing in his truly terrible voice. The mezzanine is incredibly un sound proof as I found out the other day and also borders my neighbour's bedroom. OH was on the phone up there (it's his office at home) and I was outside the flat and could hear every word.

It's been all going on so much longer than anyone, including the vet, thought it would with my little Swampy. I just wanted to thank everyone, whether or not you post, for being there for us all this time. Your support means so much  :hug: xx
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Post by: bonnielass on February 04, 2009, 07:57:23 AM
Belonging to Purrs is like having family and when one of the family has problems then we all rally to help or offer moral support,its the least we can do  :hug: :hug: and we all like to be kept update with any progress or problems :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 04, 2009, 08:21:42 AM
We will always be here for any of the Purrs peeps that need us.  Hope Swamps had a quiet night and you managed a bit of sleep (a lot of sleep I mean really but am trying to be realistic) :)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 04, 2009, 16:16:04 PM
I'm stressing again as Swampy has wee'd 4 times since 10.30am and including 2 just an hour apart this afternoon. I am due to take in a sample tomorrow to the vet. He's been better just until recently but today's the worst.
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Post by: bonnielass on February 04, 2009, 16:34:35 PM
Oh dear Kate try not to get stressed, :scared:,i know thats easy for me to say but you really need to stay calm for Swampy and for yourself,  do you think this excessive weeing is down to some of the drugs hes on? could youhave a word with your vet for some advice, i know your taking a sample in tomorrow but could you ask today if any of his drugs have side effects like weeing.im sorry if im not being much help :doh: but i do try :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on February 04, 2009, 17:02:10 PM
 :hug: :hug: for the whole Swamp family xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 04, 2009, 17:49:53 PM
Kate try not to worry too much (ahem), a day at a time.  Get your sample in, get it checked and check on the side effects of the meds.  It may be the dementia or he might just have a little urine infection and need a change of a/b's as he could have developed a tolerance to the ones he is on.  big hug to you  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 04, 2009, 18:17:50 PM
He did another little wee at 6 so I rang and the vet says to bring in a sample tomorrow. No matter what the weather, I'll have to get there even if I get a minicab (car is stuck; vet is down a steep walking hill which is pretty iced up....).  I asked if I could give more cystease and he said up to 2 a day should be safe and worth a try. He's had about 1 1/2 today so far. He doesn't seem in pain and is happy in himself (currently giving Max an eyebrow bath).
I find myself staring at his deposits in the tray to see if I can 'see' any blood or anything. It was all going reasonably well too; he was even up to 5 or 6 hours between wees when fast asleep. When he was awake, it was more like 2 1/2 - 3 hours so this is much more often. I shall try not to worry too much or anticipate bad news, but you know how it is with neurotic mum.

thanks again  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 04, 2009, 19:35:01 PM
LOL if you are neurotic then so am I!  Don't pre-empt and get the cab if you have to.  It may be something easily remedied.  Hope you all have a quiet night and some sleep  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 04, 2009, 21:01:33 PM
 :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 05, 2009, 06:46:13 AM
Good morning Kate OH Swampy and Max.  Hope your night was quiet and hope you don't have a big freeze to contend with on you way to the vet.  Wishes for a calm day  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 05, 2009, 09:55:17 AM
The roads and pavements don't look good. I got Swampy's urine sample and am now waiting for him to settle as I don't want to go out while he's wandering about, but rather when he is in his bed having a zzzz. Don't want to refrigerate the sample though. Plus must get to the supermarket before they sell out of everything including cat litter!
He's peed quite often overnight but now he's also pooing a bit too often as well. I suppose the latter could be the a.bs.









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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 05, 2009, 10:01:09 AM
His pooing is probably because he keeps eating!  Have a safe journey to the vet and supermarket, use a cab, you can't afford to slip and hurt yourself.  Peaceful wishes for you all today  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 05, 2009, 17:46:18 PM
took a cab in the end. The vet was busy so the nurse just dipsticked the sample. I hope that is good enough (?). She says that his pH is 6 and that there is a lot of blood still in his urine, just like last time (max'd on the dipstick). I asked if they could spin the sample, but haven't heard anything back. Last time we sent a sample to the lab, which gave the same results as the spinner in-house so I was hoping for that. Anyhow today Swampy so far is peeing a lot less often. Who knows if that will change tonight. I'm trying not to stress about all of it, but when you are tired things always are more difficult.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 05, 2009, 19:15:15 PM
Oh dear, I can't remember what they did last time kate?  Can he have different a/bs?  Hope they can sort it out for you.  Hope, too that you all had a good day and glad you took a cab, better safe than sorry.  Hope you all have a quiet night  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on February 05, 2009, 21:09:40 PM
Things always look worse at night and when your tired little things become major events, and you are battling both so its no wonder your stressed,it must be hard to find any time to relax because your always on the lookout and listening for Swampy,im glad to hear hes not weeing so much today and hope it continues through the night and that you both manage some sleep. sending lots of calming vibes for a restful night :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 06, 2009, 07:35:28 AM
Hiya, how did last night go, well I hope.  Look forward to your update (positive one of course).  Hope the little fella copes with his wees today and has a calm one  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 06, 2009, 08:52:14 AM
not such a good night and he didn't shout so he missed the tray twice, but hit the puppy pads under the tray, so no harm done really.  He seems a bit more senior this morning too. He shouted for food a lot during the night and ate it all up, so I'm pretty tired.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 06, 2009, 08:54:38 AM
Oh I wish you could get some sleep.  sleep deprivation is torture.  Can only hope the little fella calms down some today  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 06, 2009, 22:34:10 PM
He's been calmer today, but isn't eating quite as well and looks like he's waking up for the night!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 07, 2009, 06:29:36 AM
FIngers crossed he settled and you got some sleep.  Hope his is calmer today too  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on February 07, 2009, 07:57:10 AM
Hope Swampy,s calmness continued through the night so you managed to get some sleep,I know its hard but you really  must have some otherwise you are going to make yourself really ill ,isnt there anyone who you trust enough to come in even if its only for one night to allow this? :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 07, 2009, 08:26:07 AM
OH did midnight - 5.30am so it was ok last night, but no we don't know anyone to help overnight so we just do it ourselves. The cat 'sitting' agencies round here are daytime feeders so need their sleep too as they work from 7 - 7. We don't have friends or family in the area (even if we did, doubt they'd volunteer!).
Swampy wasn't too bad but he really does like eating during the night now and makes a loud squawk like someone stood on his tail to get what he wants. I told the vet that and he thought it was hilarious. hmm.

hope everyone has a good day.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 07, 2009, 15:25:26 PM
Glad your night wasn't too bad.  Squeaky little Swamps.  Hope the rest of the day goes well  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 07, 2009, 21:58:34 PM
Peaceful night night wishes for our favourite boy and his family   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on February 08, 2009, 08:07:19 AM
How was it last night? did you manage to have a calm night with Swampy and didnt have to get up too many times,its absolutely freezing here and the sky was bright red a few moments ago, looks like we are in for a bad day hope you all manage to keep warm today, sending calming vibes for all :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 08, 2009, 09:14:37 AM
Morning wishes from me too.  Manchester is frosty but bright.  No snow YET.  Hope you all had a peaceful night and managed some sleep.  Hope the day goes well and calm and the little fella enjoys some mummy hugs  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 08, 2009, 09:57:12 AM
It's not too bad here, but cold. My OH was in here last night. Swampy has been helped by the selgian, we are sure of that (it's 3 weeks now since he started it on a last gasp trial, after he was so very ill we thought it was the end). He is calmer and with the a.bs, can often be better. But he gets up constantly at night, every night, which is terribly hard as it is exhausting as he gets up often and shouts, wants food or a bit of help with something. I just have to try to keep going for him as he is not (at the time of writing, I'm superstitious about these things) too bad.

This morning Max was skittish and had a little bite at him (playful) in the bed. Swampy put his ears back and bit back and then had a paw bat - he hit thin air as Max moved - and even if it was for just 5 or 10 seconds, it shows he still can do that.  He is eating very well, lots of little meals day and night and is purring. He's losing blood every day in his urine and is deteriorating obviously. But his weight is fairly stable - he's just very high care. I know things could change at any moment, but the nights are so difficult. I am cursed in that I can't sleep during the day.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on February 08, 2009, 15:35:17 PM
Im so glad you managed to get some more sleep last night,i bet it was lovely watching Swampy and Max play fighting even if Max kept moving out of the way, it the little things like that that make it all worthwhile ;) just continue to take each day as it comes  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 08, 2009, 15:36:49 PM
 :hug: :hug: thanks xx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 08, 2009, 20:40:02 PM
It's fantastic that, all things considered, Swampy can still feel ok enough to swat at Max.  Bless his little cotton paws.  Hope the rest of your day was ok and that you all manage some sleep tonight :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 09, 2009, 08:54:38 AM
Morning all from damp and cold Manchester, no big frost or snow thankfully, though it did snow a little overnight but too fine to do much damage.

Anyway enough of us, how was your night?  I hope you all managed some rest and that Swampy didn't mind the futon being moved too much.  Hoping your day is calm.  Is it tomorrow Alan's coming?  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 09, 2009, 11:46:10 AM
not sure, I think his vet visit may be wednesday. I just hope he is like he is today which is not too bad. He doesn't mind the futon being moved. He ate so well during the night, however ate so fast at 1 o' clock that it came back up again so I had his bed to clean too. Very poggle eyed as then it was 2.30am, 4.30 and 6.30 (all food shouting; he found the tray each time). I think I may argue to keep him on the current a.bs until they stop working - not sure. It's so hard to tell if things are better today because of his brain or the meds. I'm just glad that he is doing ok when he is doing ok.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 09, 2009, 20:11:49 PM
I think he is doing really well.  He went five days last time with no blip and when the blip came it didn't last very long.  WTG Swampy big hugs to you all and hope you have a peaceful sleep filled night x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on February 09, 2009, 21:41:21 PM
im glad to hear you,ve had a better day today and hope there are many more like it,i would leave him as he is at the moment and not change anything until you need to,hope you have a peaceful night with not to many interruptions from Swampy,still sending those calming vibes tho and hugs for all :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 10, 2009, 07:37:00 AM
Morning from a wet Manchester.  Hope you all  had a peaceful and sleep filled night and hope Swampy does well again today  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 10, 2009, 10:00:57 AM
An equally wet and dark London :-(

I don't think Swampy and 'peaceful night's sleep' go together any more, but he was very sweet and sat on my lap and purred like a tractor at whatever ungodly hours they were. He is just the most wonderful choclit monster in the world. His mum is very cooked though!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on February 10, 2009, 13:31:15 PM
I jsut realised I've not topped up the swamp vibes recently - sorry  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Zenith (Liz) on February 10, 2009, 18:45:21 PM
I hope you can get a good rest soon as you'll need that to be in top form caring for your baby!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 10, 2009, 19:52:12 PM
Popping in with good night wishes - have had big probs with the internet today (will reply to your pm tomorrow) - hope you all get some rest :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 11, 2009, 07:02:15 AM
Swampy now shouts so loud he gets right through my special order Barcelona wax earplugs! It's always for food and it seems 3x a night is what it is at the mo'. Then he only eats small amounts so I can't stuff him to make him sleep longer.
The vet's due on a home visit today also to take his bp. I do not want to put Swampy back on Istin - I know he only reacted to 1 dose, but when you live 24/7 nursing like this, you know when something is def a reaction to a drug and when it's his brain having a bad episode that will pass. So I can see that he will want Swampy on to a double dose of fortekor, as that lowers bp a bit. The other big decision is whether to change his antibiotics from synulox to Baytril.

Does anyone know about Baytril side effects or a double dose of fortekor? It all worries me (of course). thanks  :hug:

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 11, 2009, 07:34:42 AM
No advice or info re the meds but you know Swampy better than Alan and you say the effects of the bp meds last tine.  could he not just give an extra half dose of Fortekor rather than double it right up?  Mind you don't listen to me against the vet!  It was just a thought.  It's a bit like having a baby who wakes in the night for a feed isn't it>?  Anyway hope he is doing ok otherwise and you are not too tired.  Looking forward to an update once Alan has been.  Hope your day is calm x
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 11, 2009, 08:11:48 AM
i think Baytril can be quite a harsh antibiotic.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 11, 2009, 14:50:49 PM
The vet spent an hour here. Swampy had regurged his lunch and vomiting is about top of the stress tree for him. So he was manic and restless. His bp is far too high, dangerous, when he is agitated (it is 70 points higher than the reading when he was calm from January, which is massive), so I have had to give him some Istin in his lunch and am praying that this time it does not cause a bad episode as he really needs it every day or he could have a stroke.
Otherwise the vet hasn't seen him for 2 months nearly and said he has lost a little weight but is looking strong and good and he can understand how hard this all is because Swampy is far from a feeble, "very sick" little cat. At least for the moment he is calmer and is zzzzing with Max in his bed.

Please send prayers and vibes that he can tolerate the Istin. Otherwise he may have to try some other meds which won't work as well or can't be taken every day and we have to risk the high bp on a daily basis.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 11, 2009, 15:13:40 PM
Big hugs and positve vibes from Manchester  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 11, 2009, 20:57:13 PM
Hope the meds do ok.  Wishes for a peaceful sleep filled night  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on February 11, 2009, 21:13:28 PM
Topping up the hugs.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 12, 2009, 07:35:33 AM
Morning, how was last night?  Hope he didn't have the same reaction as last time and that you all had a calm and peaceful night and that this continues throughout the day come on Swampy boy we love you  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 12, 2009, 08:30:32 AM
He slept until about midnight, then has been restless and agitated and weeing every 2 hours again. I don't know what to do. Have emailed the vet. There's no case history of Istin doing this, but he is dramatically worse again like he was 3 weeks ago. It's like the Selgian isn't working any more suddenly, which I think is unlikely.

I don't know what else would lower his bp and make him less vestibular again. I am giving him a break for a few days from a.bs to see if that helps or not. He did have a purr this morning with a little walk, but generally is just not as calm at all.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Stuart on February 12, 2009, 12:09:47 PM
For Swampy and you  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 12, 2009, 12:37:48 PM
Looks like it is def the meds then.  Let us know what Alan says  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 12, 2009, 13:19:40 PM
This sounds a bit  :Crazy: and my heart's in my mouth, but the vet wants to be sure (fair enough, Swampy was agitated before his Istin yesterday) so, given that the powder division from the pill is so difficult into 1 1/12th of a 5mg tablet, I've just given Swampy 1/8th - or just under - using Helen @ CRF site's tweezer divider method (which works). As Swampy had his steroids at 11am, we will see what happens. The alternatives to Istin look not too clever and he will continue to have manic episodes and possibly a more severe stroke during one of them. His vestibular symptoms came from a mini stroke in October, not directly from his accident.
I am taking deep breaths and drinking lots of what Maddie's Mum calls my 'funny tea' (rooibos) and hoping that it will be ok.  It would be just wonderful if Istin worked and Swampy was better as a result, so I suppose it is worth a try. The vet seems sure that it can't work against Selgian, which had helped for almost 3 weeks until yesterday when Swampy vomited and got very agitated and during the vet's visit and poking around at him his bp went to 240.

The only problem is how to keep monitoring his bp at home (he doesn't or can't do car trips, carriers or vets any more because of the stress implications). The Fortekor co makes a home pet bp monitor, but it's £700.
I don't suppose the dear insurance co are going to be too charmed by a weekly home visit claim either. And I can't see them paying for 65% of the monitor either.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 12, 2009, 15:04:04 PM
Dilemmas, dilemmas dilemmas.  I wonder if you could have just a couple of weekly home visits to see how his bp is doing?  If it's reduced and the meds aren't cranking Swamps up then perhaps you can move to a monthly visit?  I feel sad it's just not fair is it?  He does so well most of the time and these little blips keep upsetting his equilibrium.  The likelihood is he will have a stroke without the meds so it's got to be worth a few day's try?  Get some more tea  :hug:  I wonder if there is any second hand bp monitors around?  Might be worth a look see.  If there are no doubt Mark will find one for you.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 12, 2009, 16:11:06 PM
He got up a short while ago and was totally dotty in a nice sort of way although was shouting and a bit vestibular. It took yet another little meal to calm him and now he's snoring again. I hope it's a period of adjustment as he clearly feels "different" on Istin and finds that a bit stressful. Vet has explained that food does calm btw. Much like us with comfort food's effect on the brain.

I googled pet bp monitors and they are not £700 (that may the 'cheapo' that fortekor co do!), more like £2000+.  I think I'll have to email Animal Friends to tell them home visits may be necessary more frequently (2 in 2 months isn't exactly abusing it so far, is it?) while his bp is monitored and to check with my vet if needs be.  I'm amazed actually that there isn't a cheapish bp monitor for sale in America - human ones are so cheap now, there has to be a market for it.
I haven't been out at all, waiting for him to wake up. Was meant to go and do my 30 mins healthwise  :evillaugh: Think you are right, tea it is.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 12, 2009, 20:56:44 PM
Just on quick as have visitors , hope you have a quiet night and get some rest.  Will pm you first thing in the morning  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: AliCat on February 12, 2009, 21:03:49 PM
*hugs* for Swampy!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 07:30:54 AM
Hope the little Swampster had an ok night and you managed some sleep.  Hope too that your day progresses peacefully  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 13, 2009, 10:38:07 AM
the vet wants me to double the dose to 1/4 istin, but I've asked to stay at 1/8th. I think Swampy was feeling a bit odd after his pill yesterday adjusting to how it makes him feel - it apparently works straight away to lower bp. He ate so much during the night too, more than he normally does. I don't want to make big changes for him.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 11:38:31 AM
Why does he want to double the dose so quickly?  He doesn't even know if the dose Swampy is having is working!  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 13, 2009, 13:03:02 PM
I think he is fussed because Swampy's bp was so high when he was here. But Swampy isn't always like he was during that hour. He is mostly calmer when I'm sure his bp is lower. I agree, I want to see what difference 1/8th makes both to him and his bp before agreeing to up the dose. Mr Swamp is quite lively now; I went out as was waiting for him to wake up and thought oh well -of course he woke up when I was out. Now he is needing attention. I think he was displeased that I was out!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 14:43:27 PM
Well of course he was displeased Kate HOW DARE HIS MUMMY GO OUT and leave him!  If it was the meds that made him so bad last time then doubling the dose when he is quite stressed already might only make it worse but of course I am not a vet.  However since Swampy hasn't really had time to acclimatise to this new med who knows it may well work at the dose he is having right now.  Hope so.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 13, 2009, 19:02:01 PM
Still a bit of agitation this afternoon a few hours after the dose. So how to know if it's the meds, or if he needs more of them?  If it wasn't the weekend I'd be more inclined to try new ideas. But he has his istin at 1pm so after the vet has closed until monday.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 13, 2009, 20:36:24 PM
Another difficult dilemma Kate.  Maybe just have to see how he goes over the weekend and talk to Alan again on Monday?  Hoping you all have a restful night  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 14, 2009, 08:38:45 AM
Good morning and I hope you had a peaceful night.  Hope too that Swamps settles today and you have a better day.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 14, 2009, 09:07:15 AM
He's a bit vestibular and if the istin is supposed to chill him out - er not yet. I've emailed the vet and will see if he still wants the dose upped or not. It's always tricky at weekends. Max has now arrived in his bed which is calming him and they are now zzzz. He's still eating quite a lot but not putting on any weight, which is a worry. But very purry when cuddled and loving being cuddled so that is good.
 :hug: to you too xx

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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 14, 2009, 20:00:06 PM
Glad to hear from your pm that Swampy has had a little adventuring and playing with Max.  Hope he tires himself and you can all get some sleep tonight  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 15, 2009, 06:43:37 AM
Good morning hope Swampy continued with his adventures and playfulness throughout the day and that he is calm and you all had a good night
 :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 15, 2009, 10:36:09 AM
OH did in here last night so I did get some sleep. However Swampy got a bit more dizzy I think about 2 hours after he was so good (when the bp pill was given a bit late because I was out). So maybe they make him dizzier. They can make humans dizzy so why not cats? I will see how it goes today - add on about 1/2 hour in time to see if he's good again. It could have been coincidence yesterday that he was so well at 1pm.
He's still eating a lot at night so something is going on; he didn't used to eat quite so much at night.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 15, 2009, 20:38:46 PM
Hope our little friend has managed to stop being dizzy and has had a calm and fun day with Max.  Hope your night is quiet and you can get some more much needed sleep x :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 15, 2009, 22:34:27 PM
thanks  :hug: he is a bit restless this evening, getting up a lot but not wanting to eat too much (yet) and weeing a bit more often which isn't good. Seems bored in his bed but not sure what to do when out of it. I will take him for a walk I think. He stuck his head out of the window to get some fresh air today too as it's a bit warmer. I still think istin doesn't help his vestibular symptoms, but need to get him more of it tomorrow. The only alternative med seems to be betablockers - not sure if anyone has used those for high bp?
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 16, 2009, 09:06:45 AM
Morning hope all is well?  In a way Swampy being bored shows he is interested in things if you know what I mean.  He wouldn't get bored if he didn't want to do things.  Glad he got a breath of fresh air and hope he can have some fun with Max today and be calm.  Hope you manage your trip too  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 16, 2009, 11:15:24 AM
He got more than a breath of fresh air today as OH took him out on to the flat roof in the feeble sun and where the plants are, for 5 minutes. At first he loved it, but after the 5 mins he got a bit miaowy so I've brought him in and fed him. But I do think the adventures in little doses are very good for him. He's burmese of course and so needs adventures and lots of people interaction - and as we can't just talk to him or he watches us around him any longer, it has to be touch and feel.

I picked up more bp pills and left a message that I think they may be increasing his dizziness. I think the next home visit for bp measurement will be thursday. I am going out today as OH is home today and so I must divvy up the pills and leave a detailed note now so that he duly gets his right pills on time!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 16, 2009, 22:28:03 PM
How lovely for Swamps to go outdoors, albeit briefly.  Hope he enjoyed the rest of his day (and hope you enjoyed your lunch). Good night wishes for lots of calm and sleep  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 17, 2009, 07:40:12 AM
Morning to all in the Swampy camp.  I am hoping to hear your night was fairly calm with lots of snoozes.  Hope the day is nice enough for Swampy to have another breath of fresh air.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 17, 2009, 11:28:06 AM
He had a bad night - constantly getting up and restless. it all started with the coinciding of the peak of his steroid dose so now I have to ask the vet about steroids. I'm waiting for him to call after surgery as I just don't know what to do, but think we have to change things around a bit. Swampy's better now but from 4.30 am to 8am he was really difficult.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on February 17, 2009, 12:26:16 PM
steroid moved to every 48 hours to see and Istin to be continued until the thursday home visit where we'll have his bp taken to see if it is doing any good and reassess. Betablockers (vet has done some research) will be no good with any cat with vestibular symptoms as they will make him dizzy. So if we stop Istin, we have to risk the high bp during any manic episodes.
Only alternatives are now to increase the Selgian up to a whole one again if he can tolerate that and definitely to restart the a.bs from thursday as they've helped him in the past.

I feel quite anxious about it all. I know (and I tell myself) he has bad days and better days.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 17, 2009, 15:26:32 PM
Can you take the Selgian up to three quarters?  See if that helps and then if not move it up again?  Hope he settles  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on February 17, 2009, 17:57:42 PM
Im sorry your having a rough time of it again with Swampy :hug: just been catching up,i dont have any suggestions but will send some calming vibes for you all and hope you can stabilise him again :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 17, 2009, 18:51:40 PM
So sorry Swampy has had a bad day.  Hopefully he will settle down like he always does.  big hugs to you all and wishes for a calm sleep filled night x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on February 18, 2009, 08:14:02 AM
I know your OH didn't have too good a night with Swamps but am hoping he settles down during the day and you can relax a bit.  Big hug for Max too  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 18, 2009, 09:39:02 AM
Nights are usually (or at present) so much worse than days. He is so awake and wanting to eat little amounts constantly and won't settle so 'sleeping' in here is getting more and more difficult. At best he may settle for an hour only then up again and with his restlessness is peeing too often too.  We don't think we can leave him unattended as he would get too stressed out. It's exhausting. He tends to sleep a lot of it off during the day. Not sure what, if anything, we can do. Swampy was ok this morning, purring and being cuddled while I held him in the sun - before it goes for the day by the look of it. The vet is coming tomorrow. With all the agitation at night, I'm not convinced that Swampy's bp will have fallen as I don't think it's high bp causing agitation but the other way round. In january his bp was an acceptable 170 when he was relaxed.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 18, 2009, 10:35:48 AM
I have pm'd you Kate.  Big  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 18, 2009, 20:50:07 PM
this may or may not be coincidence but with the moving of the steroids to 48 hours, this afternoon he's been better in his walking. He has to have 1 at 11pm tonight and we'll see how he goes. It would be maybe too good to be true if it's the steroids, not the istin, making him poorly. I am trying not to anticipate and get ahead of myself as it is often just the way his brain is and can change at any moment.
Hoping for a few hours' sleep tonight....  :hug: to everyone xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 18, 2009, 21:29:49 PM
Worth watching Kate.  Hope you all have a peaceful night  :hug:
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on February 18, 2009, 21:30:14 PM
Try and get some rest Kate and  :hug: to Swampy xxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 19, 2009, 10:52:41 AM
Morning.  How was your night?  Hope you all managed some rest.  Best of luck with the vet visit today, will check back later for update.  Hope Swampy has a good day and Max too plus of course you and OH  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 19, 2009, 11:27:35 AM
The night was normal (ie get up every 2 hours, eat and back to bed) until 4.45am and then it was hourly until 7.15 - despite meals every hour. I think that is when the 11pm steroid kicked in. But he settled then until 11am. Not too bad but am pretty knackered as think only about 2 hours sleep for me. I'm waiting for the vet, who is due to come about 12.30 or so. I also want to ask him about the a.b that Bristol gave Franta (Gill) which stopped his vestibular problems. For ages now, each time I start Swampy on a.bs they have a good effect for a few days, then it sort of wears off. From what I gather from Gill, Bristol said only this one works on brain infections - IF that is what this could be.
My chances of him calling Bristol aren't good but I want to try. OH is at the dentist but I've begged him to get back here so he can also back me up on this. It's probably a dead end, but think we should ask. I would not give such a strong drug without a specialist having seen Swampy's notes though.
this is called a long shot!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 19, 2009, 21:15:38 PM
What did he say about the ab for the brain infection?  Is that the Baytril.  Did you speak to him about giving the steroid in the mornings?  oooh 20 questions here!  Anyway hope the day was ok and that you have a quiet night.  I have to spend some time this weekend catching up on Purrs  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 20, 2009, 07:32:12 AM
Yes he says Baytril is one that works on the brain and I must start it tonight, twice daily. However perhaps I shouldn't have cut the steroid dose as Swampy isn't good. His cold has returned and he is agitated this morning and he's stopped eating other than a tiny mouthful from last night. I don't think it's from his cold, I think he's not eating because he's agitated. He was quite calm overnight though - probably because he didn't want to eat anything. Maybe daytime steroids at a lower dose are the answer but right now I've no idea. I hope the Baytril helps and doesn't make him feel worse.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 20, 2009, 11:04:08 AM
Well there is no harm in trying the daytime steroids in smaller doses.  It's finding the right balance when new meds are introduced.  Hope the baytril helps and he is soon back to his little purry self  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 20, 2009, 18:29:36 PM
He's quite relaxed & has had a good sleep and a purr, but is hardly eating. When offered a plate of his usual k/d, he backs off to the back of his bed, head down. Just had a snack or 2 today instead of quite a lot of food. His Baytril is 1/2 daily so think we'll start it in the morning. I will up his steroid to 1 1/4 tonight again to see if he improves. If not, will have to go back to 36 hourly as he must eat. I was wondering (with our own interest of sleep at night in mind) if a smaller dose every 24 hours in the morning might not work, if this doesn't. Also gave him Zentonil which sometimes improves appetite. There's no point in trying foods other than k/d as he likes it a lot when he's feeling hungry.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 20, 2009, 19:58:37 PM
He is probably tired because he has been a bit stressed.  Hope he stays settled and starts to eat.  Hope too you all get a restful night.  Love and hugs xxxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 21, 2009, 07:06:35 AM
Hope Swampy is feeling better today and that he has a calm day with a little fresh air up his nostrils.   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 21, 2009, 09:36:09 AM
not too bad so far today but the steroids will have to be moved to the daytime as it's impossible to get up so often at night (IF that's avoidable) and still feel human. I'm holding off on the Baytril until he isn't so good as have found that the more days I can wait between a.bs courses, the better they work.....I hope. It's all a bit voodoo science now.

hope everyone has a bit of hazy sun and has a peaceful and loving weekend with their furbabes, remember that every moment and purr is so special  :hug: xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 21, 2009, 13:23:02 PM
found his way to sleep on the futon in the sun while I was out. Then he's had 10 minutes on the flat roof while OH potted some primroses. He sat on a wooden pallet square in the middle of the roof in the sun (a Swampy island!). He seemed to enjoy the sunshine and being outside, but as soon as he got a bit oops where am I - I brought him in. He can only go out when the 2 of us are here as the roof is accessed via the kitchen window (so he has to be passed through), Council having deemed that we should not be allowed a door in case we enjoyed the use of the roof  :censored:

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Post by: bonnielass on February 21, 2009, 16:21:11 PM
Glad to hear Swampy has enjoyed some sunshine :Luv: it will do him a power of good and you too,hope things continue to improve and you manage to sort his medication out  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 21, 2009, 17:05:24 PM
Wonderful news.  How he must have enjoyed himself today.  Hope he continues to do so well lots of hugs  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 21, 2009, 20:50:57 PM
Just popping on with goodnight wishes, hope you all have a peaceful one with some rest  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 21, 2009, 23:53:03 PM
bit of a mad spell after his cold made him sick, but otherwise a surprisingly good day. Hope there are many to come. Night all  :hug: have a good one!
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Post by: bonnielass on February 22, 2009, 08:08:40 AM
Im glad you had a good day yesterday and hope its a sign of many more to come  :) and hope the night is just as good with not to many interruptions for you all, :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 22, 2009, 10:46:22 AM
he's quite calm - but not eating more than a nibble. So he'll have to have his steroid before 48 hours as I'm worried about the sudden decrease in what he's eating. He mostly eats k/d and a mouthful of Hills turkey senior pate. I don't know what else to try that is entirely smooth, has calories and vitamins (not junk in case it's all he eats) and he can just lick. He won't eat chunks or bits. Is Applaws like that?
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 22, 2009, 11:23:59 AM
Applaws is flakes of chicken,  and is only complimentary. Teh only foods I know that are smooth are Hilife pate, but only the chicken and salmon ones, the tuna isn't. Sheba do terrines that are quite smooth
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Post by: Janeyk on February 22, 2009, 12:23:07 PM
Schui and Byron will only really eat those types of foods Kate, Whiskas is the only one I can get them to eat, Byron had a lick of some Applaws I bought a few weeks ago but that was it.  I did however, buy some PAH senior supermeat pate last week just to see whether they woud eat that and it has 2 flavours, Chicken, and Turkey and liver and they love theTurkey and Liver and like the chicken a bit.  Best of luck getting Swampy to eat xx
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on February 22, 2009, 12:26:40 PM
I forgot about the PAH stuff - my two wont eat it, although Norman and Jeannie adored it.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 22, 2009, 18:41:21 PM
thanks, I'll see what happens. Is the PAh stuff lickable pate stuff? Do they also sell hilife as we have a PAH quite near here.

I threw in the towel at 1.30 and gave his steroids (instead of waiting for 11pm) and now he's woken up with a jolt and has walked around, drunk, had a tray visit and is crying. It's so hard to find the right dose - too little and not often enough and he stops eating and just lies there, happy enough though. Too much and he goes manic but eats. I'm wondering if 1/2 steroid a day would do it. 1 1/4 every 36 hours is too much; 1 too little. He is amazingly sensitive to the dose after so long. It's something I will have to work out as the vet will delegate it to me!
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Post by: Janeyk on February 22, 2009, 18:48:26 PM
It is yes, it is smooth like a supermeat/pate type and I only bought it as I just wish they would eat other things as they must be bored with Whiskas supermeat and like Swampy will not eat any lumps of any sort and surprisingly they did like it, it's worth a try I suppose  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 22, 2009, 20:20:27 PM
If he's still not eating tomorrow, I'll try to find some at PAH or Asda next door. Thanks  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 22, 2009, 21:10:58 PM
Hope his appetite picks up and he has a good night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 23, 2009, 15:54:03 PM
Appetite picked up a bit, but not great. Sometimes he licks but doesn't pick up much. the vet just says I must play around with the steroid dose to see what works. Not easy as there is a marked difference between 1 1/4 and 1 pill and between 36 and 48 hours. All I know is he needs steroids in order to eat but if I cut his dose a bit, he is calmer and less vestibular, but doesn't eat enough. It's very difficult. I am keen that he doesn't get 1 1/4 tablet at night (as we have been doing) as then it is so hard to look after him as he gets up constantly during the night to eat small amounts and wee. He also circles from stress more on the 'good eating' dose. So I have to make the decision tonight on whether to give him a dose or not and how much. Phew.

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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 23, 2009, 20:21:26 PM
What a dilemma can you try 1 and and half a quarter.  Thing is they are so small, are they crushable I can't remember?  Anyway hope you can manage to sort it out and that Swampy;'s appetite improves and you have a good night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 24, 2009, 10:21:17 AM
Not crushable as they taste vile (or so it would seem from the foaming if he tastes it). He got up at 3am and paced and ate the rest of the night so I am well cooked this morning. Plus confused - 36 hours (his usual dose time period) was up at 1.30am. I will probably just give him them on 48 hours, but haven't yet decided if I give him the same dose or a bit less. And I"m not thinking too clearly either!
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Post by: Janeyk on February 24, 2009, 10:52:53 AM
Steroids certainly make them more active and hungry (as they do people) Schui is awake alot of the day when they kick in and always eating, the last few days he has slept loads and just licks his food so I can see what you are saying, hope you manage to sort something  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 24, 2009, 18:57:16 PM
Well apart from the disruption to your sleep again, it is good to hear he is back on the food.  Hope you have had a good day and your night is calm  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 25, 2009, 00:27:25 AM
Still pacing a lot and eating like a maniac. He went through 48 hours and I had to regive the steroids for safety reasons. He has eaten much more than usual. He keeps getting up for more too. Could be a long night.
I'm hoping that after 12 hours he may sleep ie 1.30am (hmmm.........). He is also weeing too often, which I think is also a feature of the steroids and being up and about. They have gone to bed, but I know as soon as I leave the laptop and lie down myself, Max will come to join me and Swampy will get up again.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 25, 2009, 07:37:13 AM
Well at least he is eating and you were worried he wasn't.  Don't know that there is anything you can do until he settles again.  Hope he slept some of the night and you got some sleep.  Hope, too that your day is good. :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 25, 2009, 09:20:21 AM
He did sleep for 3 whole hours so that was good. Then he's eaten again this morning. No Baytril as yet. I am waiting for him to be a bit worse again before giving it as the old a.bs will be out of his system later this week so he may well need a top up.
We had a lovely cuddle at 5am. He sat on my lap with his paws over my arm and vrrrrrrrr-purred. He is so soft and his coat still good, which the vet says means that his liver etc is working ok and that k/d and kaminox are helping him physically.  It's a lovely way to start the day too  :hug: xx to everyone.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 25, 2009, 12:04:07 PM
How wonderful.  Hope the rest of the day goes as well x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 25, 2009, 13:52:50 PM
I've got to work out how to clip his claws as they are long. When he's tired of being cuddled, a claw comes out. A few days ago he hooked me in my forehead and hung on, which was quite sore. Today he got me right inside my ear which was worse. His claws aren't that clean either as he no longer bothers. But how to pin him down and clip them without him freaking is going to be a challenge.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 25, 2009, 17:48:44 PM
Perhaps you could do one at a time over a period of days?  Hope he has had a good day and not hooked you any more.  Hope the night goes well for you all  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 25, 2009, 18:59:47 PM
Capt Hook is currently asleep. However he will wake up sharpish if I try to get the claw clipper out  :hug: I think I'll have to identify the ear hooking culprit claw and start with that.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 26, 2009, 08:09:54 AM
LOL hope you had a good night and that Swampy is calm and happy today  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on February 26, 2009, 09:53:44 AM
I jus realised I haven't topped up the Swamp vibes for a while so here they are  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 26, 2009, 11:08:03 AM
He was up quite a bit in the night, but basically ok. I still can't decide on the Baytril - I don't want to upset things that aren't too bad but then again his cold seems not good. He ate, then threw up in the night which I think was due to post nasal drip yuk from being asleep. (I have to make the call as the vet told me to.)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 26, 2009, 20:00:46 PM
Hope his cold is feeling better and he had a good day.  Hoping your night will be calm and restful x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 27, 2009, 15:17:52 PM
He's happy and enjoyed a bit of a cuddle in the sun, but isn't walking too straight today. I am considering a.bs again from tomorrow to see if they help again. I was all for giving him Baytril until I read this and now am not sure what to do. I emailed the vet but he has an emergency surgery now and it is Friday too.
This is copied from a US vet website. It seems a rare reaction but enough to make me nervous (esp at a weekend).

Precautions

Quinolone-class drugs should be used with caution in animals with known or suspected Central Nervous System (CNS) disorders. In such animals, quinolones have, in rare instances, been associated with CNS stimulation which may lead to convulsive seizures.

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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on February 27, 2009, 15:36:34 PM
That would scare me stupid!
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 27, 2009, 17:09:03 PM
I am too nervous to use it I think, at least for now. I have to go away next sunday morning until monday 9th evening  (can't avoid it) which I am getting in a right state about anyhow. It's just today Swampy seems worse again, having had about a week of good days. I think I will stick with the Noroclav, which may not work terribly well but he's had it many times before. All the decisions are mine, according to the vet, he says to do what I am most comfortable with as he can't see Swampy all the time.
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Post by: bonnielass on February 27, 2009, 17:55:09 PM
I think i would be a bit reluctant to use baytril and would stick to noroclov ,at least you know that works reasonably well, will send some positive vibes and healing vibes that you can get him back on track again :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 27, 2009, 18:32:41 PM
Stick with the tried and tested Kate until you have the space and vet back up to try the others.  Hope Swampy does ok overnight x
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Post by: Mark on February 27, 2009, 18:44:02 PM
I would be wary of Baytril as well. I have heard lots of bad things about it. I wouldn't be happy giving it to a cat with a compromised system  :hug:

1)"Higher doses (>5 mg/kg/day) not recommended in cats; may cause blindness" -Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook Fifth edition. What is the dosage on baytril for cats? 5mg/kg/day. This is difficult to dose and be right at the dose. Do not want to go too low and be ineffective or too high and run into the aforementioned risk. The North American Companion Animal Formulary gives the same description and dosage. Usually doses are given in ranges like baytril is given with dogs as 5-20mg/kg/day (Plumb).

2) "Caution: hepatic or renal insufficiency, dehydration" -Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook Fifth edition. Now how likely is it that 17 year old cat kidneys are not working at their full 100%? Renal (kidney) insufficiency is very common in older cats and almost assumed until proven otherwise in a 17 year old cat.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 27, 2009, 20:54:25 PM
thanks!   I think that there must be a reason why noroclav was chosen (it's synulox: penicillin) rather than Baytril as the latter is really designed for urinary & respiratory infections, which is what Swampy first got a.bs for, then I realised that they seemed to help in some weird way too with his vestibular symptoms, at least for a while. The vet uses Baytril a lot though and says that the blindness thing is relevant if owners give too much by mistake (Swampy is of course already profoundly blind) - but he cut a bit off the corners of each tablet so that Swampy would not have the full dose of a 5kg cat as doesn't weigh that much.  It's apparently in the same class of antibiotics that Gill's Franta had with a lot of success though & worked on the infection in his brain to stop his fits and circling. I still think I will try the noroclav again from tomorrow morning and only if it doesn't work this time at all, consider the Baytril (I will raise the CRF point with the vet too).

Swampy's had a really good week, so it's so disappointing, if predictable. Hopefully with the Istin and Selgian keeping him calm, the noroclav will still help. Things turn quickly: yesterday evening he and Max had a proper play fight in the bed, with Swampy actively batting Max with his paw and biting his head!  I wish I'd had the camera to video it. Then this morning he was more vestibular and a bit less switched on. I suppose it's like that with brains.




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Post by: Mark on February 27, 2009, 21:06:33 PM
I read on another link that Orbax is a safe alternative to Baytril but it still seems to be the same type of drug http://www.1800petmeds.com/Orbax-prod10198.html
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 28, 2009, 07:06:32 AM
Glad to hear he had some fun with Max.  Hope the night went well and he has a quiet day with some little adventures.  Def worth checking out the Baytril issues.  Mark is ace at finding stuff  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 28, 2009, 13:37:34 PM
I started him on Noroclav this morning and we'll see how he goes. He's having a bit of a senior day really with scratching at his bedding and hours between wees. Another thing I was stupid - he's been coughing and coldy and it's only when I brushed him that I realised just how much both of them are moulting. I got clouds of fur out of Swampy and a cushion full out of Max.  I'm also making OH give pills as he will have to give quite a few next weekend! He has a pill giving technique all his own - looks a bit like giving a roast chicken to a crocodile  :-: but as long as they go and stay down.

I'll ask about Orbax next week - thanks Mark  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on February 28, 2009, 19:21:33 PM
Bet he feels better for having a good brush, Max too.  Hope he had a good day and that your night is calm and restful xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on February 28, 2009, 19:35:59 PM
Maybe I should have put him back on a.bs sooner. His cold is horrible this evening. He threw up some phlegm after coughing badly. It's also increased the vestibular symptoms as he just doesn't feel too well. I'm just hoping that noroclav works and works fast.
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Post by: bonnielass on February 28, 2009, 20:07:41 PM
Fingers crossed the abs work quickly and help with Swampy,s cold,will send some healing vibes over for him and also for Max that he doesnt catch it :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 01, 2009, 10:06:25 AM
Hope Swampy's cold is better today and that you all had a rest last night.  Hope he has some sunshine to lie in today  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 01, 2009, 13:56:10 PM
no sunshine, but at present he is a lot calmer than yesterday and walking a bit better, so hopefully they are beginning to work for him. Been asleep all morning, with the SAD light on him though!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 01, 2009, 20:23:14 PM
He is doing really well isn't he?  He has had such a long spell of okness and not very much manic stuff.  Hope the night is good for you all  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 02, 2009, 09:26:53 AM
Hope that no news is good news?   :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 02, 2009, 11:31:27 AM
Has anyone heard from Kate?  We usually pm each other every day and I haven't heard from her since Saturday.  Am a bit worried
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Post by: Janeyk on March 02, 2009, 13:08:37 PM
Hope everything is ok  :scared: did she say she was going away?
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 02, 2009, 13:10:26 PM
I have pmed her  today and hope that she and Swampy are OK.

Could she have a puta problem maybe?
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Post by: Janeyk on March 02, 2009, 13:12:27 PM
oh it's next weekend she goes away
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 02, 2009, 13:29:09 PM
Hello, thanks for caring, it means such a lot to me and us all  :hug:  I was just tired this morning as His Swampness kept me up all night last night and I've felt better! He is now quite floppy and resting, so he needs his steroid dose. Max abandoned him for a place on the bed in the sun, so I am going to bring Max back in here to curl up with him as it helps him to feel better.  :hug: to everyone xxxx thank you
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 02, 2009, 15:35:36 PM
Phew glad to hear you are ok! x
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 02, 2009, 18:24:56 PM
Very glad you're okay Kate.  It's a worry when we don't hear from you.   :hug:  Hope you've managed to get a bit of rest now.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 02, 2009, 23:03:14 PM
Hope you have a restful night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 03, 2009, 09:46:05 AM
He got up a lot in then night, often to eat, but was calm. OH did in here until 4am bless him. As some of you know, I'm having a big problem with monday when I have to be away. OH took the day off to be with Swampy but now he has to go to a friend's funeral so I called a petsitting agency. They promised someone but I am still waiting for that person to get in touch - they were meant to last night, but didn't. The agency say they will get back to me, but I didn't pick up that they understand the urgency. I am stressing as if I don't have anyone reliable and utterly trustworthy to look after Swampy on monday (it's about 10am - 6.30pm as the funeral's a way off in west London) I don't see how I can go. And I do need to go as it's for a medical appointment. I've not been since Swampy's accident which is now an amazing 6 months tomorrow so the doctor there is becoming fed up with my non appearance (not someone who understands that I can shape my daily life over the needs of a cat). I had to pay a deposit to this agency for them to find someone and they say she will do it, so please send vibes that it will all work out.

PS I am meeting the cat sitting lady on thursday at 12pm so let's hope for the best! They hadn't told her about our 45 stairs but she said ok. (they said they had  :-:) She just wanted to come on monday but I insisted that I wanted to show her the set up. OH will need notes too and it's a peace of mind thing (aka neurotic, but who cares).

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Post by: Topsy Turvey on March 03, 2009, 11:29:29 AM
 :hug: to you all, especially Swampy.

Hope it goes well with the cat sitter.  Please don't put off the appointment again, you need to look after your health honey x
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 03, 2009, 20:31:04 PM
Kate I can't believe she just wanted to turn up on Monday. Both cat/housesitters that I have used have always come round beforehand to see the set up and ask questions and I haven't ever been charged for that.  she can't expect to just walk into a house where there is a sick cat that needs almost constant attention and just know what to do.  I am glad you have insisted.  Anyway hopes for a quiet restful night x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 03, 2009, 22:35:48 PM
thanks.  :hug: Yes, I have to fetch her so she agreed when I said that. But I do need to find someone totally reliable just in case. I only have a reliable cat feeder, you know pops in twice a day for 20 mins or so. That used to be ok when the cats were younger and I went on my own, with OH coming home at night. I wish I knew someone! It took us ages to find the right person before in London (but we did) and in Cape Town we went through a succession of disastrous ones until we found a lovely person who adored the boys. If anyone has any ideas please let me know.
I suppose she thought it was just the one day. I think they have to come if they are living in, but it seems more to work out how washing machines etc work than get the cat instructions.

Swampy's done a lot of sleeping this afternoon so I hope he still has some left to do tonight xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 04, 2009, 07:18:12 AM
Hope you had a good night and the day is quiet for you all x :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 04, 2009, 10:56:30 AM
not such a bad night, thanks. Swampy's in a good mood although thank goodness for the puppy pads as this morning I was out on the roof rescuing blown over primroses and he must have put his furry brown bum a bit over the edge of the tray while I wasn't watching. But the sun sort of vaguely came out for a bit, so I held him tight by the window where it comes in and nommed his silky ears, with him making his lovely wrrrroooooot higher pitched purr that he does when he's really happy. That makes it all worthwhile. It is 6 months ago at 12 noon today that he had his terrible accident. I want to thank everyone on here for your incredible support in my and our worst (and best) moments since then. I just can't tell you what it means.
 :hug: xx
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Post by: Feline Costumier on March 04, 2009, 18:22:43 PM
I can't believe it has been six months :Crazy:

Sounds like you had a lovely day though. Head rubs and chin tickles from me :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 04, 2009, 19:26:45 PM
I can! It's been hard work but very rewarding as he is a magic patient. I'm only going for sunday and monday but have done my meds etc notes for OH (who is vague about meds, leaves that to me normally) and the sitter. Only 3 1/2 pages!  ;D
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 04, 2009, 22:24:41 PM
Well done to you all for making Swampy's life as good as it possibly can be for the last six months since that awful tragic accident.  Hope he gets some special treats tonight to share with Max and hope you manage a good night's rest love and hugs xxx
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Post by: bonnielass on March 04, 2009, 22:33:39 PM
Its so hard to believe its 6 months since Swampy had his accident,but i know in that time hard tho it may have been you have given him nothing but patience and lots of love to help him through this terrible ordeal, it must be very hard at times and the constant worry cant be helping you neither but you have to stay strong for Swampy,s sake so please keep your appointment and good luck with the sitter :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 05, 2009, 08:08:01 AM
Hope you all got some sleep last night and hoping for a little sunshine for Swampy today  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 05, 2009, 09:13:07 AM
Swampy had a good night really - only for Max to keep me awake with his yelling and refusal to eat his dry food!  :shocked: He used to sleep all night but seems to have changed.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 05, 2009, 09:55:39 AM
typical!
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 05, 2009, 13:48:49 PM
Def psychological the minx. He has just eaten (last meal 5am), thereby ending his latest 'I've got the hump' hunger strike. I must tell him he has a vet appointment booked tomorrow if he doesn't eat more  ;)

Swampy has been very calm. Doris the catsitter came around and she's very nice and they seemed to like her, so here's hoping all goes well.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 05, 2009, 22:25:53 PM
Glad he's come off hunger strike.  Hope your night is quiet with some sleep (lots of sleep) x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 06, 2009, 09:04:14 AM
not exactly sleep.....Swampy got up at 3 am and decided to have hourly meals after that. I can't just refuse these days as he gets stressed and then circles. Max though is much better - must have been caused by fortekor so I took him off it. 3 days later he is eating again and happier. They are curled up together on the heatpad which sounds quite good to me right now!
 :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 06, 2009, 19:56:11 PM
LOL he likes to keep his mummy on her toes doesn't he?  Hope he lets you have some rest tonight  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 07, 2009, 08:03:18 AM
OH did the night in here so I got plenty rest, thanks. Swampy seems to have munched his way through nearly 3/4 can overnight. He really is eating loads at night at the moment. OH said he had to get up as got shouted at (WTG Swampa!). Doesn't look like there is sun, but I hope it will peek through later. Swampy loves to be held near the window in the sun - megapurrs.
I go away tomorrow morning until monday evening and am trying not to get (too) stressed about it. Please send vibes that all goes just fine.  :hug: to all xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 07, 2009, 08:28:46 AM
You beat me to it this morning Kate. Glad you got a good night's sleep and hopefully you will get one on Sunday at least - try not to worry whlst you are away and I am sure Doris will do a sterling job.  Hope the sun comes out for you all today x
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 07, 2009, 18:48:03 PM
Hope you have had a good day with some sun for Swampy and Max.  Have a safe journey tomorrow and back again on Monday and try NOT to worry!!!  Hope you all get some sleep tonight  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on March 07, 2009, 20:21:26 PM
Sending some really strong positive vibes for Swampy while you are away, and try not to worry to much im sure he will be fine :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 07, 2009, 22:09:13 PM
thanks  :hug: Will try to post in the morning before I leave, but if not, then keep the vibes coming please. Swampy has been a bit senior today and I am very nervous and trying not to communicate that to him. He's had a million cuddles too.
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Post by: bonnielass on March 07, 2009, 22:18:58 PM
Just a thought could you record your voice for Swampy, then if he gets a bit stressed for any reason it could be played to him, might help keep him calm :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 08, 2009, 07:24:24 AM
Kate have a good trip it is only a blink away til you are home.  Did you see the post on your other thread re someone who might be able to sit overnight and give you a rest?  Your Max and Swampy will be fine I am sure and think of all the lovely purry time when you get home xxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 08, 2009, 09:41:37 AM
 :hug: :hug: He was sick this morning after an early meal in his bed (regurg'd his food) at 5am, then I was up with him until 7 as he wouldn't settle. Neighbours had to put up with the washing machine at 6am for his favourite bedding!  But since then, he's been to the windowsill in the sun in the bedroom and had a "look" out in to the fresh air and is sleeping. OH is fed up as I am a hopeless obsessive neurotic (guilty as charged) but I'll be so pleased to be back tomorrow evening!

No haven't had time to read the other thread but will do so when I get back. lots of love xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 09, 2009, 18:36:35 PM
Luckily he had a good day as although the sitter was a very nice woman (is a very nice woman), not much was done as arranged. Swampy apparently had a wander down the passage all by himself and was walking well, which is most unusual - she went to check on him a few times and he was fine. But he's just sat in his bed since and slept, ate a bit but no wees at all. I think or suppose he will get up later. They are both peaceful and it's back to reality for me. Wonderful to see my chocklittle monster though. I worried about him a lot.

If anyone else is going Ryanair soon, check your check 'n go boarding pass before leaving because I was tired and didn't and it had printed my reservation no instead of my passport no, so they nearly didn't let me on the flight. It took me 4 calls in France to Ryanair to get them to change it for the return flight so I could be sure of getting back today. I entered my passport no just fine but it didn't show up correctly. Never dull around here! Did nothing for my already stratospheric stress levels -my poor friend had a maniac to deal with  :Crazy:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 10, 2009, 13:40:24 PM
He probably had the time of his life !!!!  Big adventures.  Glad you are home safely :)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 10, 2009, 19:49:33 PM
Hope you had a lovely day together, hope your night is restful. Will pm you tomorrow properly x
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 11, 2009, 05:32:35 AM
Morning Kate.  Hope you and Swampy and Max have had a restful night.   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 11, 2009, 09:01:13 AM
 Swampy got up every 2 hours last night and needed helping so am well cooked today. After his fortekor and snack in a mo', I plan a nice rest. Pity don't have a heatpad like they do!
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 11, 2009, 22:46:44 PM
He was so sick this evening, from his cold. Not had a very good day either. I hope it's just today. Please think of him, thanks.
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Post by: bunglycat on March 12, 2009, 00:04:50 AM
Poor Swampy- sending mega healing vibes for him and try and get some rest .
Lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug:  to you all and hope Swampy is feeling better tomorrow.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 12, 2009, 06:54:10 AM
Hope you've all had a better night, Kate.   :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on March 12, 2009, 07:53:58 AM
Hope you managed to get some rest last night and that Swampy is feeling a bit better this morning, sending some healing vibes for him :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 12, 2009, 10:20:27 AM
Thinking of Swampy and sending positive vibes to him and you all.  Hope he has some sunshine today  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 12, 2009, 11:32:50 AM
just had a lovely purr session. He seems slightly better the second day of his steroid 48 hour cycle. I'd be reluctant to push it out to 72 hours though. Just taking it as it comes. It is doubly tiring though when he has an active and unable-to-find-stuff night. Last night he was a bit better and calmer. But he has his steroids at 1.30 today. Max also sometimes gets into the bed and sort of shoves him out (doesn't mean to but Swampy interprets it as that). I will pass on your vibes in head kisses to my boy  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 12, 2009, 21:48:45 PM
Naughty Max!!! Just popped on to wish you all a restful night x
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Post by: Topsy Turvey on March 12, 2009, 21:52:16 PM
Hope you all have a good night tonight x
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Post by: Janeyk on March 13, 2009, 07:04:44 AM
Hugs to Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 13, 2009, 09:03:18 AM
He had a bit of a senior night, up every 2 hours wanting to be fed after his tray visit. He's having a nice purr now so I hope he will rest this morning. Purrs from my Chocmonster to you all  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 13, 2009, 15:18:50 PM
Didn't get chance to post properly this morning so hope the night went well.  Wont be on computer later so wishing you a peaceful restful night  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 14, 2009, 12:11:34 PM
Morning or should I say afternoon!!  Hope you all had some rest and calm last night and hope the sun is shining for you as it is in Manchester.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 14, 2009, 16:23:05 PM
couldn't get at the computer earlier. Swampy is still not feeling that good - not too bad and eating all right, just a bit subdued - he finishes his abs tomorrow too. The vet says he can come on thursday as isn't there mon, tues then wed is too busy unless it's urgent.
He needs his bp taken again and if he allows it, maybe some blood tests to see where we are. I also took a urine sample down today but haven't heard the result.

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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 14, 2009, 22:27:36 PM
Poor little fella, hope he has picked himself up by the time you read this.  Hope your night is calm  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on March 14, 2009, 22:54:46 PM
Hope Swampy feels better tomorrow.....big kiss from Me xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 15, 2009, 11:01:43 AM
Swampy just seems a bit slower. He's been sleeping more. there's one less layer between him and his heatpad which he seems to like, but think he needs his vet visit and bp taken. Less than a week ago when I was away he was venturing down the passage so maybe it is just a blip. One day at a time  :hug:

He just spent 1/2 hour - 20 mins more than we planned - in the sun on a towel on the flat roof outside our kitchen window. He didn't purr but he sat quite contently and seemed to enjoy the warmth. So so lovely to see him out there again. I sat next to him to reassure him (and to get some Vit D myself, it's been a while!). Lovely sunday morning xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 15, 2009, 17:37:39 PM
Maybe the meds have lowered his bp a little too much?  Hopefully he can get it checked as soon as you can get your vet out to visit.  In the meantime big snuggles for you all and hope you have a calm and peaceful night  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 15, 2009, 22:05:53 PM
he's vomited twice today, both soon after eating but it's still unusual as his cold isn't too bad. I just hope it's nothing to worry unduly about (I'm worrying of course). Luckily he'd not yet had his Selgian as I moved it to later on now, in the hope of quieter nights. Otherwise I agree, time to have his bp measured again.
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Post by: bunglycat on March 15, 2009, 23:52:39 PM
Hoping you have a calm and peaceful night too and Swampy starts to feel better tomorrow - healing vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug:  to you all.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 16, 2009, 10:31:26 AM
I'm going to try something this morning - put him in his old vet carrier and take him out on to the roof. It is such a lovely sunny day. but I hope he doesn't freak out from the carrier. It will be about 5 mins in and 5 mins back as I have to get on to the surface and climb through the window (bit like playing twister, not one for youtube thanks  :)). It seems such a shame to let him lose out on sun and vitamin D.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 16, 2009, 20:54:49 PM
How did the carrier trip go then?  Hope he has had a nice day with lots of sunshine and hope he has a calm night and you can get some rest,  Here's hoping for lots more sunshine for Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 17, 2009, 09:06:11 AM
He had a good night, but wanted to eat such a lot! So found his tray fine but then yelled at me to get up and provide more k/d.  He had a good if short time on the roof, but he was difficult to get into the carrier inside the lounge and impossible outside, so I had to climb back in the window holding him. It's not possible to climb out of the window holding him, so if he won't go into the carrier then he won't be able to get any sun.
I don't think he can just sit on the kitchen top until I am out. I may try his old harness though; he used to purr when I put it on him as he associated it with going outdoors!  Or if I see my neighbour may ask her to pass me him!!!! It's lovely he can get some vitamin D, but it's not quite as warm today and getting colder all week I think.

The new (fabric) sofa arrives today. Max is already sharpening his claws in anticipation  :evillaugh: Think I am going to have to cover it up with something that smells familiar to him too. Luckily it's small so it will just go where 2 chairs are now, so won't upset Swampy's radar at all I don't think.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 17, 2009, 11:19:09 AM
What a shame it is so difficult to get him outside.  Hope you can get some help or see how he goes on his harness.  That way at least he could safely wander round.  Max keep your claws of mummy's new sofa!  It is forecast here to go cold again on Thursday so am enjoying the sunshine whilst we can
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 17, 2009, 16:30:03 PM
Max is eyeing the new sofa. He sat on it with his tail thrashing and had a good yell, then went to their bed and they had a little paw bat! Swampy was also on the sofa (put him there) and he tried to have a claw at it with his front paws so I picked him straight up!  He spent an hour or so on the bed this morning - only place that gets sun, we get none in summer in the south facing top flat as the windows are too small and the sun just hits the roof  :censored: to that - and had a purr and a lovely time, even went to sleep for a while. I can't find his harness but may have another look later, although it's going to be sunny but colder they say so if it's too cold, better not take him outside anyhow.

Max is going to try to destroy the sofa I know....

PS don't know if it is Swampy's cold but I am getting very worried as he is vomiting most afternoons now after his meal. He throws up in his bed and then often again 5 mins later - very liquid. last 2 days he's been better in himself too. It seems there's always something.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 17, 2009, 22:44:45 PM
Bless the pair of them - little cuddle monsters.  Hope Swampy can stop being sick (make sure he has extra fluid - as if I need to tell you).  Might be his med side effects? Anyway hope the vet can shed some light on it on Thursday.  Hope you all have a quiet night with loads of sunshine tomorrow.  It's forecast cooling here on Thursday so hope you get at least tomorrow too.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 18, 2009, 09:21:21 AM
nice day here and Swampy had a good night - which means he found his way to everything but needed feeding at 1.30, 3.30 and 6am!!!! He's had a good drink this morning and I always put a little water in his food. I hold his plate up a bit to feed him too so I think though it must be because he sleeps quite a bit in the mornings and stuff goes down his throat so in the afternoon up it comes. OH always leaves in such a rush before we can do the fucithalmic and that's the one thing I do struggle to do by myself as Swampy is what the vet calls (in his notes!) "very wriggly".
I hope the weather and his current state of health both continue but am of course taking it one day at a time. Funny how only getting up twice in the night counts as a really good night  :shocked:  ;)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 18, 2009, 18:39:16 PM
Sounds good to me Kate!  Hope he continues in this vein and hope you have a peaceful night again. :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on March 19, 2009, 08:17:46 AM
Did you manage to make it a second good night,i hope so,hopefully the sunshine is making him feel a bit better  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 19, 2009, 08:43:50 AM
Good morning from sunny sunny Manchester.  Hope you get tons of nice warm light today :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 19, 2009, 09:00:01 AM
Well, his choc-i-ness marched around fine a lot during the night and wanted to eat quite a lot at 1am, 3.45am and 5am so I suppose he had a good night! It's much easier when you wake up to see a little brown monster already next to you by the kitchen, just demanding that the plate be topped up, rather than have to help him with everything as he's confused. He is now fast asleep but I plan to take him to the sun later on.
Plus we remembered to pin him down and do the fucithalmic.
The vet is coming later on, at lunchtime, to do his bp and possibly take blood should Swampy allow all that.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 19, 2009, 16:04:10 PM
Swampy's bp is down at 160 so the vet was pleased. However my monster would just not allow blood to be taken. He's still quite strong! I'm disappointed because I wanted an anaemia reading, but proud of him too.
Vet says he is looking better than last time, but has still a lot of blood in his urine and he's not sure why.
I must give him a meal now and his bp pill and a big cuddle.
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Post by: bonnielass on March 19, 2009, 16:12:17 PM
Its got to be the sunshine making him feel better ;D and you must feel the benefits of not worrying to much about him at the moment,and if the vet thinks he looks better then last time then that to has to good :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 19, 2009, 21:30:08 PM
WTG Swampy!!!!  Good news on the bp front and the looking better too.  Hope he had a lovely day and you all have a peaceful night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 20, 2009, 09:33:46 AM
Poor Swampy paced most of the night - I was worried about the vet giving him a strong vit B jab and it did hype him up. So he is tired and a bit stressed this am. yes it is so helpful if he is doing well as it takes a lot of stress off me. But think he's going to be a bit more tricky today. Hope that it just wears off soon. We were up a lot in the night, him and me. He specialises in 3 - 5 am hunger pangs  :tired:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 20, 2009, 20:08:51 PM
Kate, you must be feeling knackered.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on March 20, 2009, 20:50:08 PM
Sending Swampy a big kiss....

Hope his night is better and you can get some sleep kate xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 20, 2009, 21:34:40 PM
Ah bless him, hope he has settled and you all get some sleep  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on March 21, 2009, 08:32:42 AM
OH's turn to be well knackered this morning as he did the 3am munchies run last night! Swampy started feeling a bit better yesterday afternoon. He had a nice snooze on the bed in the sun. We will try to take him out on the roof this morning later on when it warms up, to get his dose of Vitamin D. But he's always preferred canned sun and there's so little of it in this flat (soon to stop altogether until september). So we must try to get him to enjoy being outside as that will be there as long as there is sun. I used to dream of a conservatory on the roof just for the cats!  ;D (not possible!).

It's quite funny as OH always accuses me of only wanting to buy this flat, which we were renting, so as not to move Swampy, who was then unwell with cholangiohepatitis and making the decision based on the Cat Needs (there is a certain truth to the allegation   :innocent:); however I'm sure they would have preferred a different flat where more sun streams in the window. Hope everyone has a lovely sunny day and all furbabes enjoy it  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on March 21, 2009, 08:41:01 AM
Im so glad Swampy is feeling a little bit better ,im sure its the sunshine thats making him feel that way,afterall it works wonders for us and from the sounds of the long range weather forcast  we are in for a very hot summer this year :wow:its lovely and sunny here this morning in Mansfield and my furbabes are already taking advantage(inside of course  as its still a bit chilly outside )theres bodies in front of windows all over the house ;)anyway hope Swampy ,Max and yourself take advantage of the rays and have a good day :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 21, 2009, 15:53:47 PM
Glad the munchkin is feeling better and hope you got more sun than we did in chilly Manchester.  Hope you have a wonderful calm day and a restful night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 21, 2009, 23:03:51 PM
took Swampy out of the window on to the roof at 2.30 for half an hour. I was by myself so thought I'd try putting him in his harness, that he always wore when going outside when he was quite little. As soon as he felt the harness, he started to purr (like when he was little). He was really relaxed going outside and had a lovely walk all round the roof, sniffing at plants. The harness seemed to make him feel secure. Then had to climb in holding him but I think he really enjoyed his little adventure. We had quite a lot of sun here today and about 15 degrees. So we've had a good day and he's the most kissed and cuddled boy in town  :hug: xx
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Post by: bunglycat on March 21, 2009, 23:21:25 PM
Ahh, bless the little chocolate boy -purring when he knew he had his harness on  :Luv2: :Luv2:.
Hope these good days continue for a long, long time .
Big  :hug: :hug: :hug:  to you all , and hopefully a good night .
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on March 21, 2009, 23:29:15 PM
That was really lovely to read.....glad Swampy enjoyed it out in the sun  :Luv2:
hope he sleeps well xx
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Post by: Mark on March 22, 2009, 00:04:57 AM
Way to go Swampy  :Luv2:
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Post by: pappilon on March 22, 2009, 06:49:42 AM
So glad Swampy enjoyed himself out in the sun. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on March 22, 2009, 08:31:42 AM
Brilliant brilliant brilliant.  His world is gradually expanding and you can walk him round the house more in his harness perhaps.  More exercise might equal more sleep.  I am so very happy that he enjoyed his adventure and hope the sun shines down on you all day today.   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 22, 2009, 17:29:11 PM
another sunny day, another 45 mins on his harness in the sun. He really enjoyed it, which is just great. One day at a time of course but a good cat mum's day today for me so far, hope for everyone too  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 23, 2009, 07:03:42 AM
Topping up the hugs for the beautiful boy.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on March 23, 2009, 08:44:01 AM
this morning I'm worried again. He is just lying in his bed, sleeping and has been for hours which is really not something he has done before. He wasn't so good last night during the night but ate very well at 3am but since then he's just konked out. Normally he would be up at 5 and again at about 7.30 for a wee at least.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on March 23, 2009, 14:47:09 PM
He might just be tired after all his little adventures outdoors etc recently.  Hope so, hope he has perked up by the time you read this and that he has some sunshine in the bedroom (too cold here for going out, don't know about where you are).  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on March 23, 2009, 14:57:11 PM
He's so tired. I've had to get him up twice to wee (remind him) and taken him his food in bed, which he's eaten fine. But when I got him up, he just sat down and purred at me, didn't have the energy to walk about.
I hope it's just a blip. It's almost like he didn't swallow his steroids yesterday when I gave them to him on the roof outside, but I'm pretty sure he did. I hope he's not caught something outside. I'm only going to give him a tiny dose of Istin today because I don't want him any more knocked out than he is at present. It's so worrying when he's been so good for a whole week and suddenly is just sleeping so much. Swampy just doesn't sleep that much.
My vet isn't there until wed, but he'd not really be able to do anything anyhow. I don't think if Swampy had a temp that he would be eating all right (?). He's not done a poo either since yesterday at 3-ish. Normally he goes every day at least once if not twice.  I'm just staying in with him, although it's watching him sleep.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on March 23, 2009, 15:00:01 PM
I was thinking the same MM.  After all he's had quite an exciting two days, so he may just be much more tired than normal.   :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on March 23, 2009, 15:01:13 PM
I was thinking the same MM.  After all he's had quite an exciting two days, so he may just be much more tired than normal.   :hug:

me too, hope a good sleep helps  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on March 23, 2009, 16:57:29 PM
Sleeping is what he needs I reckon and he must get exhausted with the strain of trying to work out where he is and what he is doing.

Sleep is a way or repairing yourself and also more exercise will make him tired. :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on March 23, 2009, 22:45:39 PM
I'm actually always surprised that he doesn't sleep more generally, but he doesn't. He has set sleep times of day (not much at night!). He's a little better this evening and has found his way to his tray. I think it may have been his tum wasn't right. Hopefully the night will be not too bad as he's had way more sleep than usual during the day.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 24, 2009, 07:24:08 AM
I am glad he has perked up but sleep is good for them too.  Hope you had a quiet night and that there is some indoor sunshine for you all today  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 24, 2009, 09:28:26 AM
The 2 of them have the best comment on the weather - I found they'd dug up the bedding and were lying directly on the blue heatpad this morning. It's horrible here, don't think we'll have any Swampsun today.
He has been better overnight and eaten well. I woke up at 5am to find a choC-lit monster miaowing at me on the futon  :wow: His cold's tuned up a bit which could be the horrible weather and the heating on next to his head again. He hasn't used the tray since 5am though and I have to go out for 2 hours, so hope he finds the tray.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 24, 2009, 12:30:20 PM
He's a clever little fella isn't he?  Glad he has perked up and don't blame the pair of them for digging down to the heatpad.  Hope they are snugged up and cosy. :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on March 25, 2009, 07:38:38 AM
Hope everything is okay with Swampy this morning,doesnt look like we are getting any sun today :( its wet and miserable here in Mansfield,so looks like he will need his heatpad today,hope you have a quiet day :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 25, 2009, 08:27:16 AM
Same here in Manchester, wet windy and cold.  Hope all the sun has moved to Swampy's window.  Hope he had a good night and feels great today  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 25, 2009, 10:49:12 AM
He's not feeling too great. Started not being too good after a regurg of his food (due to his cold) yesterday afternoon. It has coincided with the weather becoming cold again, but I don't know if it's that. It's so disappointing as he was so much better for 2 weeks that we were wondering if he was stable right now. Please hope for him that he picks up again soon, thanks  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on March 25, 2009, 17:59:40 PM
oh come on Swampy....We need good posts from your Mummy  :hug:

hope he feels abit better oon Kate xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 25, 2009, 18:45:52 PM
he goes back on to antibiotics tonight (the same ones) just in case his cold goes to his chest. It may or may not make him feel better. It's only 10 days since the last course finished. We normally like it to be at least 2 weeks but have no choice really. If they don't help I can take him off them in 5 days.
He's eaten a bit better today and is happy in himself, just not finding too much and doing quite a lot of sleeping. I was up with him every 2 hours last night though so maybe if he could make it 3 hourly tonight that would be good.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on March 25, 2009, 18:48:43 PM
Try not to worry too much Kate, you have been here before with Swamps, it seems like his pattern.  But he has had such a long stretch of good days so the odd blips and bad days can be expected.  He is an old boy too so maybe just starting to need his sleep a bit more.  After all what else is there for a cat to do on a freezing cold day.  Love and hugs to you all and hope Swampy is feeling perkier and that you all have a good night  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 26, 2009, 10:07:38 AM
He found the tray in the night and ate a bit better, then woke me at 1/4 to 6 by arriving right next to me and finding some old food to munch, so that is a bit of better news. I'm sure it's the weather as it's vile with more cold and rain forecast. His cold has traditionally got better if it warms up. He's still v coldy and a bit "senior" (digs up his bedding) - I am pleased he is back on a.bs because of it.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 26, 2009, 10:42:31 AM
WTG Swampy starman.  How clever was that?  Glad he is feeling perkier and hope today is good for you all  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 26, 2009, 13:57:20 PM
little man snuck out and started munching Max's dry in the kitchen! He's a bit wobbly still but better than yesterday so  :hug: and  :thanks: for the vibes xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 26, 2009, 14:49:26 PM
 :cheer: :yayyy: :yayyy: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on March 26, 2009, 20:13:33 PM
my neighbour says next week should be warmer so I'm hoping so as his cold is lousy but he is happier. Not sure about the dancing bananas but he is a lot better than he was before the a.bs so let's hope it continues.
I'm hoping for a quiet night as am well cooked.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 27, 2009, 08:30:52 AM
Ah go on Kate he has earned the dancing bananas. He has done so well lately all round except for the couple of blips.  He has moved round more, found things on his own, been on the roof on his harness, lots of lovely adventures for him.  Hope you had a good night.  The weather here is vile with a capital V.  Wet and howling winds.  We get the wind noise really badly because of the field which is bordered by very tall closely planted trees, it whooshes round them.  Hope your day is calm  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 27, 2009, 10:08:08 AM
Vile here too  :censored: so much for Spring. Swampy's not feeling too well and is just lying in his bed most of the time. The test will be when (if? ok when) the weather warms up again and the sun comes out as he does react to the weather. Max just lays there too, but that's normal for our Max who is not an active cat! (and is 15, fair enough). But I'm worried about anaemia. He is also too sleepy to get up to drink although is happy to eat what I plonk in front of his nose on a plate, so am adding another teaspoon of water to his food.

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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 27, 2009, 21:18:32 PM
Kate Charlie is lying about too, there isn't much else for them to do in this cold horrid weather.  Hopefully it is due to warm up again next week.  Hope the little chap perks up a bit and hope you have a quiet night.  x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 28, 2009, 10:31:27 AM
We had a quiet night by his usual standards. He was up at 4 am so I heard all the birdies tweeting outside, then he got up again at 7 so it was all very manageable. He seems to be quieter on the second day of his 48 hour steroid cycle. But I think 72 hours would not work either, it would be too long.  He's still v coldy so I have his little burner going, but it gets far too hot and last night the water boiled! Does anyone know where I can get a nicer, stable metal essential oil burner? I use olbas for him.

hope everyone is keeping warm. It's bitter here. xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 28, 2009, 18:04:22 PM
Bitter here too, hope it perks up tomorrow.  Glad you had a quiet night, no suggestions re burner, hope someone else can help.  Hope you have hd a good day and that your night is restful  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on March 29, 2009, 08:25:03 AM
His cold isn't great and his appetite's down a bit since yesterday. I'm so hoping for warmer weather asap.
Only high point yesterday was he went for a wander around the lounge and found my (eaten) yoghurt pot - I turned around from the futon and there he was with his little face right in it, nose covered in yoghurt  :hug: xx


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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 29, 2009, 13:51:24 PM
I need to find a decent sized burner (electric preferred) to put near his nose when he is sleeping in his bed to help with an inhalation of Olbas. The little tea light one isn't safe to put on the floor. Does anyone know where I can get one please?  He is not really eating more than a few nibbles as his cold is so bad.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 29, 2009, 16:52:54 PM
Couldl you put a little on his bedding?  Just so his body heat will warm it?  I am glad he had an adventure with the yoghurt pot.  It's lovely here in Manchester today, if slightly chilly.  Bright and sunny with blue skies, nice enough to have been and done a bit of gardening.  Hope Swamp and Max have had some sunshine to bask in and hope your day has been so far good and that your night is restful x
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Post by: bonnielass on March 29, 2009, 16:59:41 PM
Olbas do a vaporiser for use in any room, just like those air freshners that run all the time with a small battery, that may be okay for Swampy, if it gets knocked over no harm done, anyway hope this helps and that your getting some sun there its beautiful here in the sun but chilly in the shade :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 29, 2009, 20:32:47 PM
 :thanks: I"ll have a google for it.  He vomited this afternoon from his cold, all the muck going down, so must try to help him with that. Not much I can do really though apart from inhalation. I used to take him into the shower room with me (we have no window so left the extractor off and he sat on the mat....the cat...etc!) but he can't do that any more as it would frighten him.

Not much sun here at all today. I hope it's not just going to get warmer and cloudy, but there will be some sun for him asap.
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Post by: bonnielass on March 29, 2009, 20:41:47 PM
Kate you can also put olbas oil in boiling water it works that way too, but would probably need to be a small room, hope you get sorted and that Swampy has a reasonable night and i will try and send you some sun tomorrow,its been glorious here today, been out in the garden :wow:
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Post by: Mark on March 29, 2009, 20:51:05 PM
There is a milder Olbas for children and even a battery operated vaporizer version
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Janeyk on March 29, 2009, 21:10:57 PM
Schui always suffered with nasal problems and my vet said a drop of Olbas Oil nearby would help, I just put a drop on a tissue and tucked it under the edge of the fleece he was on, it did seem to help him breath easier and loosen the snot a bit.   :hug: for Swampy
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on March 29, 2009, 22:55:16 PM
Sending Swampy a bedime kiss X

Hope he sleeps well Kate x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 30, 2009, 11:02:46 AM
 :thanks: :hug:
I've ordered the diffuser and will plug it in when it comes, next to his bed. He's battling with the cold and was sick again in the night and is a bit wobbly and eating not as much because he can't smell well. OH left in a rush so we didn't do the fucithalmic this morning, so will have to try on my own (usually this means he gets some smeared on his nose....). I hope the warmer weather will help him like it's done before.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 31, 2009, 10:49:52 AM
SOrry to hear the little man is not doing so well with his cold.  Hopefully the weather will warm up and that will help and you will soon receive the vapouriser.  Hope you all had a quiet night and that your day is filled with sunshine  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 31, 2009, 11:08:26 AM
He ate so well in the night I thought the warmer weather must have helped. But this morning after he had a drink he did a projectile vomit  - he seems to have found his way to the kitchen while I was asleep and eaten some of Max's dry at some point as it returned with a vengeance. I hope that is it for the day and he'll feel better now. No sun for him to sit in today,  but warmer here.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on March 31, 2009, 12:28:28 PM
diffuser has arrived and is quite strong. Do you know anyone if Olbas is safe? It's currently about 2 feet from his nose.
Ps have until tomorrow to find out as the (made in China) vaporiser only worked for 2 mins then conked out. They are sending me a replacement; however may need to try to find a plug in one that I can put on the floor next to him. I can no longer use the ceramic burner as the oil/water mix boils!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on March 31, 2009, 19:55:46 PM
Can't help with the Olbas but perhaps Karvol or something similar that you can use for children might be better?  hope he didn't repeat h is projectile and hope he managed a good day.  Sleep well at the Swampy camp  :hug:
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Post by: Baggy on March 31, 2009, 20:29:11 PM
If we left tissues with olbas Oil lying round one of our cats would suck and chew on them without any ill effects, so it should be ok :doh:
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Post by: bonnielass on March 31, 2009, 21:24:08 PM
I used to put olbas oil in my electric burner for Wizzy when he had an asthma attack or one of his frequent colds and used to put it  about 3' away from him and he never suffered at all  plus sometimes i would put it in boiling water, lasted a shorter time but i found that sometimes a couple of hours were enough,i hope you can get sorted and that Swampy has a peaceful night, :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on April 01, 2009, 07:18:28 AM
diffuser has arrived and is quite strong. Do you know anyone if Olbas is safe? It's currently about 2 feet from his nose.
Ps have until tomorrow to find out as the (made in China) vaporiser only worked for 2 mins then conked out. They are sending me a replacement; however may need to try to find a plug in one that I can put on the floor next to him. I can no longer use the ceramic burner as the oil/water mix boils!

It should be ok with just a drop -  I posted lower down this thread that my vet told me to put just a drop near Schui so I used to pop a drop on a tissue and tuck it under the edge of his blanket where he slept so if my vet said to do that it should be fine, not sure about diffusers though she never mentioned those and maybe they are alot stronger.  Hugs to Swampy  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on April 01, 2009, 09:55:43 AM
He's had lots of hugs this morning (same as usual!) as I just conked out between 2 and 6am and he'd got himself up and to the tray and back to bed, didn't ask for food but ate quite well when I fed him at 7. Then he had a freak out as Max was nearly sick on him but he will be taken to the bed for some sun snoozing as it is out here today. Hope with everyone  :hug:
I put the refill under his bedding (Olbas) but he didn't like it so will stick to a drop until I can get an electric plug in burner. thanks for the help.
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Post by: Mark on April 01, 2009, 09:58:25 AM
When I googled olbas, a few sites recommended it on used teabags in the garden to deter cats.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 01, 2009, 10:21:18 AM
noooo, my favourite monster is not deterred by having it near his bed, just in his bed was quite a deterrent! I have a vision of garden maniacs carefully dropping a single drop of olbas on an old PG tips bags and plonking them all round their flowerbeds - must look "lovely"  ;)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 01, 2009, 15:26:11 PM
Clever clever Swampy!  He is getting a little independent which is fantastic.  Hope he enjoys some sun today :)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 01, 2009, 20:51:33 PM
Hope you have had a good day?  Sending wishes for a peaceful and restful night for you all  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 02, 2009, 08:23:42 AM
Morning from sunny Manchester - hope your night was calm and that you h ave lots of sunshine to bask in today :)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 02, 2009, 08:55:17 AM
Swampy had an active night, up every 2 hours or so looking for the tray and food so had to help him with the latter anyhow. He'll probably sleep it off this morning! No sun here at all but I hope tomorrow there will be as it definitely helps him. I'm really hoping more than ever for sunny days.
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Post by: Baggy on April 02, 2009, 19:59:36 PM
I have a vision of garden maniacs carefully dropping a single drop of olbas on an old PG tips bags and plonking them all round their flowerbeds - must look "lovely"  ;)
Keep laughing at this as - if they'd tried that near my Mum and Dad's they'd have found a fat Dalby cat rolling round in their flowerbeds, chewing the teabag, drooling and looking spaced out  :evillaugh:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 03, 2009, 09:56:50 AM
 :hug: an Olbas addict?! Not around here, although the replacement chinese vaporiser does at least work!  Swampy was up a lot again and ate probably even more, not sure why, must be his brain activity as lately he's been quieter the second day without a steroid.
Still no sun to report. I hope it breaks through while it can still come into the flat, before 1pm.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on April 03, 2009, 14:00:13 PM
I, too, hope the sun shines for you, wish I could send you some of ours it is brilliant here again today.

Hope you h ave a good day  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 03, 2009, 19:06:23 PM
Just posting to say I hope you had a good day with some sun and that your night time is calm and restful:)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 03, 2009, 19:09:16 PM
the sun arrived too late to get any in the flat so none for my boy today :( and the forecast isn't wonderful for tomorrow either. Swampy is a bit jumpy tonight, I think it's the steroids as he is visiting the tray more often too. I hope he's a bit calmer later on.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 04, 2009, 09:55:01 AM
quite a night. He wanted to eat every 1 1/2 hours, so arrived next to me each time. I'm thinking about reducing his steroids to 1 every 48 hours to see if the extra 1/4 makes a difference. All has to be my decision according to the vet. I have until tomorrow to make up my (tired!) mind as today is his non steroid day. And it's raining so hope he will have a nice sleep now this morning.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 04, 2009, 19:06:28 PM
You must be exhausted!  Don't want to say yay or nay on the steroid as only you know Swampy and his little ways.  Whatever you decide hope he had a calmer day and that you all get some zzzzzzz tonight:)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 05, 2009, 10:48:04 AM
lovely sun this morning so I hope he'll want to sit on the bed for a bit. He may even have a little roof adventure, we'll see how warm it is later.
Hope it is sunny for everyone  :hug:

think I will make a last minute decision on the steroids, but am leaning towards lowering the dose to 1 to see what happens really. It's v difficult.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 05, 2009, 19:03:56 PM
Hope he enjoyed his little bit of sunshine and hope he is feeling better.  Have a quiet night :)
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 06, 2009, 08:38:32 AM
Just popped on to check for updates.  I hope your night was quiet and calm and also for some sunshine for you today  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 06, 2009, 09:18:08 AM
OH did last night. Swampy was sick in the night from his cold but he ate this morning ok. His cold won't improve with the cool damp weather either.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 06, 2009, 21:31:25 PM
Hugs from rainy cold Manchester.  Hope your day was ok despite rotten weather (?) and hope your night is restful and calm  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 06, 2009, 22:51:37 PM
Swampy's quite dozy. I don't mind if he sleeps well tonight though as am not feeling too good myself. But I'm not sure that just 1 steroid is quite enough. I'll have to see if he gets the extra 1/4 again tomorrow.
It didn't rain today and he had an hour or two on the bed in what passed for sun but it looks bad for the rest of the week.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 07, 2009, 11:11:41 AM
Hope you managed  a decent night and get a little sunshine today, always makes everyone feel happier somehow  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 07, 2009, 15:08:33 PM
yes it does, hope it came out up north too  :hug:

I went out briefly to get Swampy's pills and to buy some fruit (heard a rumour that dark kitkat doesn't count as vitamin rich food when you are ill). Swampy found the tray to wee when I was out but not to poo, he pooed on the carpet. What's the best product for safe spot cleaning/disinfecting as I can't do the whole carpet? I have Vanish or Pet Totalcare from Animalcare, which says it's "biological stain remover" so I used that. However I bought it a while ago at the vet and it was £5 a bottle  :Crazy: I put my little one back in his bed and gave him a snack and he's happy and purring again.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on April 07, 2009, 15:14:09 PM
Little poo bum.  Better to poo than wee on the carpet methinks.  Glad he has the confidence to get up and about on his own, enjoy your KK
:)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 07, 2009, 16:54:50 PM
don't know - his wee is so dilute now that it probably wouldn't stain either. I'm more fussed about the hygiene. The carpet no - it's been puked on a hundred times, including poor little boy just now. His Istin came up with his afternoon meal, I think from his cold.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 07, 2009, 20:18:37 PM
Poor boy, hope you can get on top of his cold - it's been wet, windy, sunny, warm, cold here today very changeable.  Hope you managed some warmth and sun.  Let's hope tonight is calm and restful for you all :)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 08, 2009, 00:38:59 AM
I'm stopping his abx from tomorrow. Am hoping and praying again that he is better from stopping them like he has been before, even if the vet hasn't a clue as to why. We also need warm, sunny weather for him to feel better, which may be a big ask.

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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 08, 2009, 10:25:47 AM
The vet said there'd not be a difference between giving him 1 steroid or 1 1/4 but there is. On 1 he is calmer and wees much less often. However he is less active. It's really difficult to make the decision if I give him the extra 1/4 or not, as he is obviously getting weaker with time anyway. (as the vet hardly sees him, all the decisions have to be mine). I think I'm going to have to ask for another home visit after Easter to take bloods. We can't do bloods and bp as Swampy won't allow both! But I need to know how bad his anaemia is I think, as well as his kidney and liver function. At the moment I'm just reacting to him on a day to day basis.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 08, 2009, 18:46:16 PM
Day by day is the best Kate as Swampy changes almost daily.  Best of luck with taking him off the ab's and let's hope it helps him again.  If you can see the difference in him with the smaller steroid dose then go for it.  Hope you can get the vet out to take his bloods.  Did you get any sun?   Hope you all have a restful night and that the Swampster is soon feeling better again  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 09, 2009, 09:08:38 AM
He's weaker, sleepier and calmer on the reduced dose, but he hasn't had the bounce from stopping the abs (none since tues pm, when his 2 wk course ended) which is upsetting.  The vet didn't want to give him laurabolin in case it hyped him up, his bp etc, but I can't help feeling that the higher dose of steroids masks his anaemia. I must try to get bloods done next week to see where we are with him. Poor little boy must be feeling va va voom enough for a little adventure a day, but not upset by being too buzzy.
So I'm going to attempt the v difficult - to cut pred into 1/8ths (have a new pill cutter) and try him on 1 1/8th this time around.

Please send hopes and prayers, whichever, that he improves as he's not too good right now. As MM says, he can change rapidly so have to keep hoping and keep calm with him. He is not unhappy at all - v purry and cleaning Max - just weaker and not walking well, needing help after finding his tray. Just a few days ago he was much better. It is such a rollercoaster for me.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on April 09, 2009, 10:51:07 AM
Sending You both lots of love xxxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on April 09, 2009, 11:08:15 AM
Bucketsful of vibes and prayers and hope - hang on in there and don't panic.  He usually pulls round cos he is a little fighter.  If he is purry and washing Max then he isn't feel wretched.  Maybe just an off day:)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 09, 2009, 13:45:10 PM
just looked at the 1/8th pill (the cutter's a marvel) and thought what the heck....so have just gone back to his old dose of 1 1/4 pills when things were reasonable. The worst that can happen is he becomes a lot more active while still needing a lot of help with his vestibular problems, until such time as (please God) he stops turning left and goes straight or gently right again, when everything is so much easier. I just thought perhaps the steroids would lessen the pressure (if that is what it is) in that area of the brain. He's been so good until 2 weeks ago when I put him back on abs, then was so much better within 24 hours until 3 or 4 days ago. So no, I won't panic but it's upsetting as I know how good he can still be. 4 days ago he was arriving next to me in the night and demanding food and not needing any help to find stuff. He is quite happy and contented in himself and right now he and the Max are mutual grooming and he's had a mega purr, but it cuts down on his adventures which I think is so important for him.

I spoke to the vet's nurse and they are going to try for tuesday next week if the vet isn't too busy. That will be good as OH has the week off so can also ask questions. Thanks for all the good wishes for my little old man  :hug: Next thursday he will be 17 1/2 years old. I've been home with him mostly since I became unwell 20 years ago, so it's a lifetime of him supporting me and payback time now.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 09, 2009, 17:49:47 PM
Glad to hear that the vet is coming on Tuesday (hopefully).  If it is the anaemia that is making him tired (and not just old age?) no doubt he will be able to give him some sort of supplement.

Hope he has a lovely rest of the day and you all have a quiet night  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 09, 2009, 23:19:18 PM
Swampy is weak tonight and just went over 7 hours without a wee which is really long for him. We went for a little walk to try to get his leggies moving and he enjoyed it, but he has spent most of the day sleeping or resting. It really is sudden (or since stupid mother downed the steroid dose, i wish I hadn't). He has been so good recently, now I am worried sick again.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on April 09, 2009, 23:54:04 PM
Perhaps it is just his body adjusting to the different dose Kate? Its good that he had a little walk though.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 10, 2009, 10:04:37 AM
He's still not good. He had a brief blip of good at 5am but was up at 1, 3 and 7 as well and particularly at 7 he wasn't well. Please pull hard for him that he improves as he has done so before xx
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Post by: MrsR on April 10, 2009, 10:06:03 AM
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Post by: Janeyk on April 10, 2009, 10:09:15 AM
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Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on April 10, 2009, 11:52:05 AM
pulling hard and sending buckets full of positive love to Swampy from Manchester mates  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on April 10, 2009, 14:05:55 PM
Sorry to hear Swampy,s not doing so well ,sending lots of positive vibes that its just a blip :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 10, 2009, 23:02:57 PM
Little Swampy had a slightly better afternoon and has certainly eaten all right. I'm so hoping that he feels better tomorrow and also that the sun comes back out as I think it helps him. thanks for your thoughts for him  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on April 10, 2009, 23:19:58 PM
Not supposed to be too good tomorrow in my area ( Lincolnshire) but Sunday is supposed to be warm and sunny .
Hope Swampy is better tomorrow and gets lots of sun in the next few days.
Glad he is a bit better and eaten well.
Hope you have a good night -always top up the Swampy stay -well vibes every night for him :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on April 11, 2009, 07:48:21 AM
Morning Kate im so glad Swampy is feeling a bit better, hopefully the sun will come out for him today,topping up the positive vibes for him and hugs to you all :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 11, 2009, 08:16:24 AM
Great news, hope you get as much sunshine as is possible and that you all have a wonderful day with some little adventures and lots of purry headbutts.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 11, 2009, 12:03:50 PM
OH was in here last night and says Swampy had a better night. This morning he's been out of bed, found his tray and got himself back to bed, which is all good. It's cool and rainy here so I'm hoping you are right and tomorrow and monday etc etc are much sunnier! He has a steroid to have at 1.30 again today and I'm just going to go back to the previous dose again, even if it means the first night is a bit too active. I also weighed him this morning and he's not lost any more (still 4.7kgs). So it's his brain that seems to be the main problem, his vestibular problem which comes and goes. As long as he is happy, that's what I'm here for.
have a lovely weekend everyone and furries xx
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Post by: bonnielass on April 11, 2009, 14:40:11 PM
Im glad hes doing better today,im just sorry we cant send you any sunshine to make it even better for you all but hopefully tomorrow will be, hope your day is filled with calm :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 11, 2009, 18:01:35 PM
There you go the hero triumphs again.  WTG Swampy sweetheart :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 12, 2009, 00:21:30 AM
Whatever happens tomorrow (or today - it's past midnight) he had a much better day. He had a little paw bat with Max in bed this morning too. It makes me so happy to see that. Plus when he sits on my lap with his front paws over my arm and his bald navel showing and purrs like a burmese tractor for me while I kiss his tufty head, well that is the very definition of happiness. It makes all the nursing worthwhile.
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Post by: bonnielass on April 12, 2009, 08:16:03 AM
Im so happy for you and Swampy it must be lovely to watch him and Max play fighting, and as you say the cuddles and purrs make it all worth while, i hope it continues today and that you may hopefully get some sun to help :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 12, 2009, 10:34:29 AM
Bring him sunshine
Bring him fun days
Bring him adventures
Bring him calm
My wish for you today and always Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 12, 2009, 11:30:17 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

bring us sunshine!!!! it's so gloomy and damp with the same forecast all week :(

Swampy is not quite as good today as yesterday but isn't too bad. I'm so hoping he can hold steady for quite a while, no more abs for a bit.

Lots of love to you too from da SwampMax (in bed, Swampy's head on Max's tum and zzzz noises).xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 12, 2009, 22:12:54 PM
It has been absolutely gorgeous here today very warm and sunny!  Wish I could post you some.  Hope he is ok and has had a good day, also hope your night is peaceful.  Will pm you tomorrow, arms sore!  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 13, 2009, 12:39:49 PM
It's a bit brighter but too late now to get any sun on Swampy in this stupid flat and probably not warm enough to take him outside as his cold has tuned up. He is making glob noises when he swallows. He got up a lot in the night for no real reason. He's also turning right too much, so I hope he will feel better later on.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 13, 2009, 19:01:52 PM
Oh Swampy boy, come on love.  I am wishing you some lovely warm sunshine.  Hope your cold soon goes away and you feel better :)  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 14, 2009, 11:38:01 AM
waiting for the vet this morning. I hope Swampy will allow him to take bloods this time- the senior nurse is coming to hold his head!  We really need to know what his bloods are. They've not been done properly since mid December which is a long time for him.

I woke up at 5am to find him walking on my legs on the futon, which was a lovely way to be woken if you're going to be.  Some sun came out this morning, then thought better of the idea and it's dry but grey today.
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Post by: Mark on April 14, 2009, 11:58:24 AM
Good luck today Kate - I have the same thing here. The vet is coming alone to try to take Clapton's bloods this afternoon. I will play VN for James the vet  :naughty:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 14, 2009, 12:45:10 PM
Swampy was taken by surprise as he was asleep and at the second attempt, the vet got a bit of blood - not enough for glucose but for full biochem it should be ok. It doesn't work on the table (too stressful), so he gets put on the futon mattress, the senior nurse holds his head (he's broken a needle or two in his time with jerking his head) and the vet works quickly. The vet always says oh Swampy's naughty and wriggly, to which we reply (OH is off this week so was here too) that Swampy's been through a lot and it's not surprising if he puts up a fight on that! But afterwards the vet gave him a cuddle and my boy's back asleep. He walked slowly and very deliberately afterwards away from where the vet was sitting, back to Max and his bed, much to everyone's amusement.

good luck Mark - only tip is to choose a spot where Clapton feels relaxed (ie not the top of the table) although it should be easier as Clapton's not blind.  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 14, 2009, 12:51:32 PM
 :evillaugh:  Way to go Swampy!   Don't go under without a fight!   

"we shall fight in the fields
and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender......."

Glad it went off well Kate.  :hug:
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Post by: Mark on April 14, 2009, 13:32:14 PM
a spot where Clapton feels relaxed

Thanks K but I don't think there is anywhere Clapton is completely relaxed. I am sticking to the dining room as he never goes in there thesedays. I was going to use the kitchen table but he likes to sleep in on of the cupboard sometimes.

Glad it went well for Swampy  :hug:

My vet is due around 2pm  :scared:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 14, 2009, 14:13:20 PM
Glad the vet managed to get some blood from Swamps, when do you get the results?  Hope you all have a quiet day and that Clapton's bloods get done with the least amount of stress to all concerned  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 14, 2009, 18:39:50 PM
results will be thursday or friday as the bloods only get to the lab tomorrow. Swampy is quite slow today, a bit senior. We could both use some sunshine I think.
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Post by: Mark on April 14, 2009, 19:03:19 PM
Don't know about your area but the forecast here is much warmer and sunny tomorrow  ;D (followed by 2 days of rain  :( )
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 14, 2009, 22:20:44 PM
Well hope the sun shines on you tomorrow.  HOpe your night is calm and peaceful too  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on April 14, 2009, 22:57:05 PM
Don't know about your area but the forecast here is much warmer and sunny tomorrow  ;D (followed by 2 days of rain  :( )
The news said tomorrow is going to be the hotest day this year. Hope Swampy and you enjoy the sun.x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 15, 2009, 09:11:44 AM
No sign of any hot days here as yet!  As Swampy can only get sun on the bed until end April from 11am - 1pm, hope it hurries up! He is not feeling too well today  - since last night he won't really eat anything, just a half hearted nibble. Very sudden so I assume his tum is sore. He tried (without much success) to eat some green plant and I gave him a pepcid at 7 so hope it works. Always a worry when this happens as he has been eating about 2 cans in every 24 hours.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 15, 2009, 16:25:38 PM
Hope Swampy has managed to perk up his appetite.  Hugs and love for a quiet day and calm night  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 16, 2009, 07:43:38 AM
Good morning Swampy household.  Hope you had a good night.  Hope you get some of this evasive sunshine today and have a quiet and calm time.  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 16, 2009, 07:47:18 AM
Paddy sending a big "PPppfffppppTTTttt" to Swampy this morning.   :)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 16, 2009, 09:19:32 AM
He did get 1 hour's sun yesterday after the thunderstorm. I've moved the bed right up against the window so that he can safely sit in a little puddle of sun - which will be gone by end April as the sun gets too high (it hits the roof and windowsill only). He curled up with Max there and had a lovely snooze.  Afternoon after the steroids he ate a bit better, I also found an old k/d batch which he prefers to the latest harder one, but still not eating as well as he was just 2 days ago. His night was not too bad.
It's raining again today though  :censored:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 16, 2009, 21:25:21 PM
Oh I am glad he got SOME sun.  Bet he loved it.  Hope you all have a quiet night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 17, 2009, 02:22:06 AM
The bloods came back today (er yesterday, it's 2am). Swampy's urea is worse (17) but creatinine the same (273). I'd hoped fortekor would lower the figures but they are only a bit worse than November's, when his urea was 15.
His anaemia's a little bit worse but despite his blood loss in the urine, he's only a little bit anaemic so must keep up the Kaminox, which the vet swears by. Otherwise the usual easonphils (sp?) are up a bit and the profile is of an old cat really with gradual deterioration.
He must stay on steroids and Istin and Selgian and just see how we go. Of course the bloods don't explain his neuro symptoms, dementia or the chronic cystitis/inflammation (we may have to increase the pred too because of that). But it was a long and helpful conversation with his vet, which was great.

yesterday, the 16th, was Swampy's 17 1/2th birthday! We are now doing 1/2 ones. It rained most of the day though so couldn't give him a pressie of some cuddles in the sun, his favourite. He's eating but not as well as a few days ago. I can hear snores now so must try to get some sleep too. night night (or early morning!)  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 17, 2009, 20:55:24 PM
HAPPY 17 1/2th BIRTHDAY SWAMPY.  You have done so well your mummy should be proud of herself and you.  Hope you have had a lovely day today and that you get some sleep tonight  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 18, 2009, 11:41:59 AM
Oooh Swampy you would LOVE it here at Charlie's house, the sun is shining and the garden is a warm sunlit place to be.  Hope you get some sunshine to warm your fur and hope you and Max have a lovely day:)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 18, 2009, 21:55:29 PM
He had an hour on the bed in the sun. He took some convincing to stay there. Think he'd forgotten what sun is! I hope he is well enough to go on the roof for a little wander around, if it really does reach 19 degs (believe it when it happens). I can't take him out if it's not really warm as his cold is not great.
Lovely that Charlie's had some sun, hope all the furbabes out there are sunbathing xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 19, 2009, 19:42:22 PM
Have missed my posts!  Computer has been going nuts, first something wrong with Virgin Media then with Internet Explorer then me steaming mad when it took 33 mins on the phone to Virgin.

Anyway rant over, hope you got some lovely sunshine today.  Hope, too, your night is restful  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 19, 2009, 22:35:54 PM
no real sun for Swampy today as it came out too late to hit the bed, but he was ok. He's a bit more lively tonight (his mum isn't though). I hope it will be peaceful as I now have 5 in a row to do in here.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 20, 2009, 07:02:08 AM
A belated 17 and a half birthday for swampy for Friday.  ;D  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 20, 2009, 16:43:27 PM
thank you!  :hug:

Swampy had 25 mins in the sun on the roof, in his harness, this afternoon. He hugely enjoyed his little adventure. Like when he was a wee boy, he started to purr as soon as he felt me do up his harness and was purring in my arms right throughout his mum's hopelessly clumsy exit and re-entry through the kitchen window!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 20, 2009, 16:45:40 PM
LOL visions of Kate slithering through window  :rofl:  Am glad Swampy enjoyed himself outdoors.  Hope you get more and more sun and lots of time in the fresh air.
 :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 20, 2009, 16:48:15 PM
 :rofl:   :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 20, 2009, 21:29:48 PM
Just popped on with wishes for a quiet night for you all  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 21, 2009, 08:54:33 AM
"slithering" through window - it's more like a panic stricken Twister game, with a purry choc monster clinging to this old sheep while I urge the old muscles into life one more time  :evillaugh:  Looks good for today too. He had a good night. His cold is not great but I'm hoping the sunshine and fresh air won't do it any harm as he does enjoy it so much. Long may it last!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 21, 2009, 21:35:15 PM
LOl my imagination is running wild.  10 day forecast for Manchester is warm, warm and more warm.  Hope it's the same for you and Swampy can enjoy what bit of sun you do get.  Hope you have a quiet night.  Will pm you in the morning  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 22, 2009, 20:56:38 PM
Hope your day was sunny and your night is peaceful x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 22, 2009, 22:27:11 PM
Swampy's not as good this evening - he had 45 mins on the roof today but think he found it a bit hot in the end, so I brought him inside. He may need his ab treatment again. He's happy and full of head kisses and lovebites and had a really good night last night, but think tonight will be more tricky.

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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 23, 2009, 20:55:59 PM
Hope the Swampster had a good day with some sunshine and purriness.  Hope, too your night is peaceful  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 23, 2009, 21:57:46 PM
He enjoys going out and in the window (almost as if he can see me doing the twist & finds it funny) but he wasn't that keen today so we only did 1/2 hr. Bit breezy and he's not walking that well. However the purr count is still very high and I got quite a few lovebites. The weather forecast is looking a bit dodgy from the weekend and more high cloud and breeze tomorrow. I'm not sure I'd take him out if it's under 17 or 18 degs.

Max has taken to miaowing loudly in the middle of the night so my sleep's even more disturbed. No idea how to stop him, he gets cuddled and stops but as soon as I leave him to try to sleep, he starts again. I can't ignore him either as he just keeps on yelling. I'm nervous he will wake up the neighbours too.
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Post by: bonnielass on April 24, 2009, 09:26:58 AM
With ref to Max i have this problem in the night with my old boy George and have found that leaving a small light on helps him ,might be worth a try, hope Swampy is okay today and that you managed some sleep :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 24, 2009, 20:18:53 PM
Hope all is well in the Swampy/Max household and that mummy managed to slither through the window for some sun>?  Have a peaceful night BE QUIET MAX  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 24, 2009, 23:10:41 PM
Max chewed through the plastic covering of OH's new shirt and is yelling a lot  :censored: if it goes on, he'll be at the vet but I think it is all 'emotional'.

Swampy is quite quiet tonight. He's been in his bed since 5 o clock - all meals in bed though! He only had 15 mins on the roof (he enjoyed going out and in the window more than being out there) as it was quite windy. Hope tomorrow's better. It's my 'night off' tonight and as luck would have it, the neighbour downstairs is having a party  :'( 

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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 25, 2009, 17:36:16 PM
Naughty Max.  Glad you managed a little rooftop fresh air.  Hope you have a quiet night off - earplugs??  :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on April 25, 2009, 18:09:33 PM
Hope Swampy manages to get some sun today, its such a beautiful day here in NW London. :) x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 26, 2009, 10:43:41 AM
I'm hoping he will get on to the roof for 1/2 hour today as his nose was blocked this morning and I think the vitamin D does him good, plus the forecast for the next few days is lousy. Yesterday was so windy here in SE London  :Crazy: that he only got out for 10 mins.  He's not too bad today. Hope all's well and sunny with everyone. Thanks again with all my heart for helping to support Swampy and to this site for letting me post about him every day. It helps me so much, especially as I'm largely on my own looking after the choc-lit monster boy xx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 26, 2009, 19:47:14 PM
Hope my little soldier boy got some well deserved sun today>  We have had it despite forecasts to the contrary.  Hope you all had a good day and that your night is peaceful  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 26, 2009, 21:32:48 PM
Little man had 1 hour in the sun as it was lovely. He mostly lounged on a big beach towel!  Then came indoors with me and had a nice snack and a snooze. The next few days are meant to be much colder and rainy so will have to try other little adventures for him as think they help him. Glad you had some sun too  :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 27, 2009, 07:06:35 AM
Glad Swampy enjoyed his hour inthe sun yesterday.  Paddy sends him a gentle whiskery pppprrrrFFffppptt!  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 27, 2009, 13:13:37 PM
 :thanks: and  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: and PffffffffssssssssTTTTTTTs from my two as well.  It's raining so hard here today but Swampy's been up and to the kitchen looking for food which is all good.
I have a potential catsitter coming tomorrow (she was coming today but has a sick cat to take to the vet today). Please send vibes that she will be able to care for Swampy sometimes so we can go out and I can go away for 2 days with her filling in during the day at least with OH here mornings and evenings. It would make such a difference.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on April 27, 2009, 13:15:26 PM
Duly crossed Kate.   :) :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 27, 2009, 13:26:07 PM
FIngers toes eyes and Charlie's paws crossed (pic to prove it) that she will fall in love with Swampy (how could she not) and want to spends lots of time looking after him and giving his mummy and daddy a break
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Post by: pappilon on April 27, 2009, 16:16:35 PM
Finger crossed and sending good vibes that the cat sitter is suitable to care for Swampy.
Its wet and cold here in NW London too and its going to stay like this till Wednesday :-:

 :Luv: Charlie crossing his Paws. :)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 27, 2009, 17:52:15 PM
thank you  :hug: xx

that pic just finishes me off. the crossed paws look  ;)

yes, no roof trips until much later in the week I think. So I will rouse him later on to have a little walk down the passage to the bedroom and back.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 27, 2009, 23:06:08 PM
Night night wishes for a quiet household  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 28, 2009, 09:35:18 AM
His mum conked out last night and only woke at 3.15am to find he'd been to the tray twice and was waiting for a food top up, bless him. Then I had to have a playfight with a miaowbag Max at 6am. But not a bad night and the sun is out again! I hope it will stay out then I will take him out at lunchtime before the potential catsitter comes.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 28, 2009, 10:34:07 AM
Sounds good to me:)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 29, 2009, 18:21:21 PM
45 mins in the sun on the roof. Lots of vitamin D as the sun was out again and he had a good purr with me clutching him and twisting out and in the window! Even Max came and sat outside too.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 30, 2009, 10:26:34 AM
Hope you had a quiet night and get loads of sunshine (well as much as your place allows you to have) and Swampy can have outdoor adventures:)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 30, 2009, 11:55:45 AM
don't think today but hope soon. He had a very senior night, not finding the tray but seems better this morning. OH and I both have flu so it's a quiet day all round.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 30, 2009, 12:32:47 PM
I hope you have called NHS Direct........and dont make excuses  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on April 30, 2009, 19:28:21 PM
I did - thanks. just got to stay home and rest. They won't see any flu patients at the GPs (  :Crazy:) but spoke to me on the phone and told me to cover my mouth when I bark and wipe the door knobs  :-:  !
I need to be better to look after Swampy properly. He is ok today and quite active but a bit coldy. The boys are such a comfort when you aren't feeling so well. Back to bed. I'm just sorry that the days of them curling up next to me when I'm sick are gone as he prefer his heatpad bed and so does Max.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on April 30, 2009, 20:10:05 PM
Oh no sorry to hear you are ill on top of everything else.  Hope you manage some rest and soon feel better.  Hope too that Swampy and Max are ok. xx
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Post by: bonnielass on April 30, 2009, 21:05:30 PM
Sorry to hear you and OH are,nt feeling well, i hope you soon feel better and Swampy too :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on April 30, 2009, 22:34:29 PM
Pleased you contacted them  :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on May 01, 2009, 08:13:17 AM
Hope you all feel better soon xx

Lovely photo of Charlie crossing his paws MM  :Luv: bless him!
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 01, 2009, 11:17:04 AM
 :thanks: bit better today. Swampy's still snorting (making noises I mean) so I think no outside until tomorrow as it's sunny but a bit breezy - plus how I get out and in the window right now could be a challenge! If everything's better this afternoon may try a 10 mins but getting in is harder than getting out and don't want to get stuck!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 01, 2009, 13:05:51 PM
 :rofl: Stop it Kate, I have these visions of you and the window!!!  Hope you manage a little sun.  It's been lovely here this morning but has clouded over now.  Hope Swampy stops his snorting soon and can sunbathe for a while without his mummy stuck in the window frame.

Have a lovely day will pm later have been gardening and am shattered!!!!
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Post by: pappilon on May 01, 2009, 16:42:18 PM
I hope eery one feels better by tomorrow, its going to be nice tomorrow and bankholiday so hopeful Swampy will get some sun.

How didit go with your catsitter, was she any good?

SEnding every one a big  :hug: .x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 01, 2009, 19:50:30 PM
Yes, I hope the catsitter will be fine when she's available - think she's quite busy too. Swampy didn't get on to the roof as I still have a temp so probably not too clever an idea. He is so active today, he's hardly been asleep so I hope he will tonight as I've been up helping or feeding him all afternoon (he's eaten like crazy). I hope this flu has gone tomorrow at least!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 01, 2009, 21:53:49 PM
Hope you are feeling better by now and can manage some sleep tonight with Swampy and Max :) x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 02, 2009, 14:16:38 PM
I'm an idiot. Swampy got taken on the roof in the sun for too long I think. At first he was very happy, tried eating some of OH's lunch (chicken: not eaten for years!) and had a good little walk about. Then lay down and seemed happy in the sunshine. But I went out and sat with him and after nearly an hour out there he was starting to get up, then flop down and I noticed his breathing was fast. So I brought him in, gave him a little meal of wet food with water, then he did drink and he's flopped in his bed although he is now purring.

I hope he will be fine later. I'm wondering just how long is ok to take him into the sun for. Do old cats lose their temp control a bit? Or is it that because he is blind, he can't move into the shade when he feels he needs to so just lies there. I am so upset. He's eaten, drunk and gone to sleep (breathing slower) so I hope he will be fine later. Should I ration it to 1/2 hour do you think? Or take him into the shade after 1/2 hour maybe. I'm a fool.

PS took his temp (he allowed 30 secs or so) 38.6, I wiped him with a cool cloth which he loved (purrs) and now I have the fan on near him. It is only about 20 outside. I'd never plonk him on his towel over lunchtime in summer. He seems ok, but I feel so anxious.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 02, 2009, 16:08:10 PM
Hey sweetheart.   :hug:  Sounds like he's overheated a bit, but sounds as though he's calmed down now.  Paddy will sit happily in the sun for hours but when he gets a bit hot he'll move into a shadier spot.  Max can't because he's not sure where he is, but it seems as though you did exactly the right thing and brought his temperature down.   :hug:  Just keep a careful eye on him over the next few hours - as you do anyway.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 02, 2009, 16:18:43 PM
It was sun seeking that caused his accident in the first place last September so I panicked a bit, thinking sun seeking just does him harm (I know he needs vit D and some sun, but not heatstroke). I did what the internet suggested - wipe him with a cool cloth - and although he feels a bit warm, he does seem ok in that he's had another snack and is zzzzing with his head on Max's tum.  I'm not going anywhere as am still a bit flu-ey. I must order him a mini tower fan to cool his bed area as this room gets too hot. We have a pedestal blade-type fan which would work well if he could see but he tried walking around it and got confused as it's a 'new' impediment. I've been amazon'ing and if anyone has any opinions on something small, that works (ionizer too would be good for his snuffles) and can be left on for hours and is quiet..let me know please. Also must be bump proof ie not fall over or he'd hurt his nose if he walked into it, which rules out the blade type ones at floor level.  I could put a blade desk fan on the table above his bed but not sure how much cool air would go down to his bed area (?).

American neighbour says you can get cool pads for cows to lie on in America (she's a farm girl!) and she wonders if you can't get them for cats.. anyone heard of anything like that? Like the opposite of a heatpad.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 02, 2009, 16:24:48 PM
I know, me darling.  And I know how much you've had to deal with.  Just saying, don't be too hard on yourself.  And sending a cooling snuzzle for Swampy.   :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 02, 2009, 22:01:53 PM
You poor things, I am sure he just got a little too hot and you did everything right and cooled him down again.  Hope everyone has been ok today and that you are feeling better.  Lots of sleep tonight hopefully:)
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 03, 2009, 07:25:10 AM
How's Swampy today Kate?  And how're you?  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 03, 2009, 09:23:21 AM
Swampy seems ok today, thanks. Right now he's having a lovely sleep. I'm ok, just v tired. Hope Paddy and everyone is having a warm and sunny weekend  :hug:
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Post by: pappilon on May 03, 2009, 10:16:07 AM
So pleased that he is ok, you need to rest. Hope you feel better by tomorrow. x
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 04, 2009, 09:48:46 AM
SOrry not posted have been just off the wall and unable to focus on anything.  Hope all is well in the Swampy camp  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 04, 2009, 10:05:12 AM
sorry about that, will pm later  :hug:

Things are not too bad with our Swampy this morning. He's asleep. OH did last night and think had to get up a few times for food, which is a good sign anyhow. Having probs with Max, will start his own thread!
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 04, 2009, 19:05:39 PM
Hope the day continued well for you all and that the night time gives you some quiet to sleep:) x
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 05, 2009, 13:59:37 PM
(as per Max's thread) no sleep at all, far too wired. Swampy is snorting all the time and I gave him his steroids so badly that he foamed. Not sure how much he got. Then he wouldn't eat much either. But he's been ok this morning and had a little snooze in a sun puddle on the bed. It's really difficult when they are both unwell.
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Post by: bonnielass on May 06, 2009, 07:29:40 AM
I really feel for you Kate, its hard enough with 1 cat that is unwell but 2 together must be so hard,i bet you are so tired and worried,i wish i could help,try to keep your chin up and be positive :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 06, 2009, 22:31:17 PM
thanks  :hug:  I have to attack the chocmonster's eye with fucithalmic as there's a bit of pus coming out. Otherwise he's been all right today. He hasn't got quite as much time devoted to cuddles as usual because I've been out with Max and having to spend a lot of time with Max. I'm hoping for a peaceful night as am so tired.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 07, 2009, 06:50:54 AM
Kate, hoping you've managed to get some rest overnight, and sending big hugs for you and the boys. 

 :shify:  Aunty Kate - dis for Swampy an'fer Max - PppprrfffpppPPPttt!  :shify:
Paddy xxx
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 07, 2009, 08:11:18 AM
Hope you managed some sleep Kate and hope, too, that both your fur babies are ok this morning:) :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 07, 2009, 10:34:19 AM
big  :thanks: for the messages for my special Swamp one. He was upset in the night, sat up crying, as Max wasn't in the bed with him (M was sort of sleeping next to me). Luckily the lure of the heatpad was such that Max did go back which calmed them both down, but I had to cuddle Swampy at 4am for a while (big purrs reward for me) as he was distressed. I must cuddle him more today and hope Max understands he can't have 100% of my time....he is so siamese in character our Max lad.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 07, 2009, 20:28:39 PM
I'm not sure that Swampy got his full steroid dose today. I know I found the 1/4 (he gets 1 1/4) all gobbed up in his bed and gave it to him again. I shook out the bed, but couldn't find the single tab. But he's behaving like he's not had it - but can't give it again. As he only gets it every 48 hours now, it makes a missed dose quite difficult. Do you know if steroids stay in the body, as I know it's meant to be dangerous not to give a dose and just stop?

He is so snorty, I may have to give him the abs again tomorrow. He's not had any for a whole month.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 08, 2009, 07:13:09 AM
Am not sure Kate.  Might be worth checking with the vet today when you go with Max.  Am sending special Swampyhugs in the meantime.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 08, 2009, 16:13:46 PM
I forgot to ask! Too many other qs.  Think I'll just have to be more careful when I give them. Swampy may have to go back on abs if his cold doesn't clear if the weather warms up this weekend (forecast but who knows) or obviously if he runs a fever. He was so upset with Max not here ("where's my pillow?"), he is so different from Max. Max came home with a shaved tum and smelling all 'vet-ty' - not a Swampy hiss or care in sight, just happy to curl up with him again, bless him.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 08, 2009, 16:19:58 PM
 :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 08, 2009, 17:17:48 PM
I think he will be ok re the steroid.  Check with the vet though.  I think it is absolute stopping of them that causes the problem.  If worried give him another quarter which probably wont do him any harm :)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 09, 2009, 17:06:17 PM
I gave the 1 1/4 very carefully today. He seems perkier than the last 2 days which may be that gobby ones aren't as strong (?!). No sun as promised today so let's hope for some and no wind tomorrow so he can have a little roof adventure.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 10, 2009, 13:00:36 PM
Poor Swampy's tum isn't that good today. He pooed this am, then I took him out on the roof a couple of hours later but 15 mins later he became v agitated so we brought him in, only for him to fire out some more missiles!  He likes k/d and I'm sure it's fine for his kidneys but certain batches of it seem to make him a bit like that. Anyhow will try to take him out later when hopefully he can get his vitamin D in a more relaxed way.

The opposite neighbour saw us out there and gave me a funny look, I just hope there won't be any complaints.
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Post by: Bazsmum on May 10, 2009, 18:40:27 PM
Positive vibes for Swampy~~~~~You are having it tough of late with both the boys being poorly!  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 11, 2009, 07:04:57 AM
Sending Swampy snuzzles this morning.    :care:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 11, 2009, 11:09:22 AM
my lovely boy sends them back to yours  :hug: :hug:
He's so good and loving and he helps me so much. The sun's out but I think it's too windy to take him out which is lousy news as no sun comes into our flat anymore until autumn. It just hits the roof and the windowsill. Swampy's too nervy to sit on a window sill these days even if I hold him. His cold's bad and his coat feels a bit more fluffy and loose than it used to (age? ) although is still soft and silky.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 12, 2009, 11:22:14 AM
How is Swampy doing today?  Hope he is feeling ok and calm.  HOpe too that he can settle without Max around him for a while xx :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 12, 2009, 12:30:33 PM
I put a little toy seal in his bed and he tried to lick it, thinking it may be Max, but he then realised that it isn't. (his mum burst into tears when he did that, the feeble old sheep that I am).  I've left it in there though for some extra company. I'm trying to decide if I leave him lying on the new bed, which is quite thick and fleecy, or if I put that underneath and the heatpad on top of it (it won't stay flat, but don't imagine that's too serious), then Swampy's grot old vetbed which smells even more of Max on top of that, so it would still be soft (the new bed only had him on it for 1 night). The only thing is the new bed is puffy so he sinks into it in his own space. The old bedding arrangement was quite flat with the heatpad and maybe he may notice he's alone more (??).
He woke up and wandered around, tried to poo and didn't (he went last night but his tum's hard; I emailed the vet about that too) and had a good purr when I cuddled him. He did seem a bit disoriented and actually walked all the way into the kitchen and wee'd in Max's tray.

Don't know about Laura but if I have to go out for a few hours, I may call her and see if she is available as right now don't want Swampy to be alone much. Already this morning he's slept less and walked around far more than he usually does.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 13, 2009, 13:19:06 PM
We had a reasonable night, but he is stressed by not having Max to sleep with. He's not walking very well again as a result. But very purry and eating v well when I help him. Laura looked after him this morning for 2 hours and she said how sweet he was too.  Please send prayers and vibes for both my boys as they are so dependent on each other.
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Post by: bonnielass on May 13, 2009, 17:19:34 PM
Lots of positive happy and healing vibes coming your way, im sure they will soon both be back together, :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 13, 2009, 20:02:46 PM
A ton of vibes for both boys and you and OH from Manchester.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 13, 2009, 20:22:23 PM
Topping up the positive vibes.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 14, 2009, 11:03:28 AM
 :hug: :hug: He is getting up more in the night and needing more help and vocalising a bit. I don't know if the longer Max is in hospital, the easier it may get. But he's eating well, although some of that can be due to nerves. He is ok in the daytime as when he is awake, I try to be around (or Laura in the afternoon if I am Max visiting). There are just certain things no human, no matter how much I love him and he loves back, can do in the place of a cat.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 14, 2009, 12:10:06 PM
Poor fella he must be confused.  Hope he settles down:)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 14, 2009, 20:35:29 PM
He reminds me of when he'd just had his accident and it took constant meals to comfort him. He's eaten a lot since Max was in hospital, maybe getting through about 2 tins of k/d in 24 hours. He eats a small meal every 2 - 3 hours all day and night. He's also been a bit senior and vestibular. I don't know if seeing Max on saturday will perk him up or confuse him further, but I hope Max doesn't avoid and hiss at him. If he came home from hospital Max would hiss at him, we'll see about the other way round. He also needs loads of reassurance when he is awake, but I'm always up for a cuddle.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 14, 2009, 21:10:54 PM
Bless him he must wonder where Max is.  Hopefully things will settle down when Max is home.  Hope you have a quiet night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 15, 2009, 10:54:40 AM
I weighed Swampy this morning because with the extra stress he's been eating more (and more coming out the other end last night). He's down to 4.5kgs. I know I should realise that this is entirely normal in a 17 1/2 yr old cat, but it just feels like more bad news to have lost another 100g despite eating so well. Little man seems calmer though. I sent him all the love and vibes sent from Purrs through his head. I told Max about everyone on here's good wishes for him while I was holding him on my knee and he was purring. Sometimes I talk to Max's head too as I tend to forget he can hear!  :Crazy:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 15, 2009, 12:10:42 PM
Stop worrying, he is eating, not too bad with his circling and otherwise as happy as he can be save for missing Max.  Please Kate talk to yourself and rid yourself of these black thoughts, I know what it is like it's horrendous and you have to really focus on staying positive and talking down your anxiety.  Things aren't as black as you think right now and hopefully they wont be  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 15, 2009, 13:21:50 PM
you're right  :hug:  When I came back from visiting Max this morning, Swampy was sitting quietly on the futon, waiting for his mum to come back and see to him and give him more k/d.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 15, 2009, 13:27:42 PM
wise words from Maddiesmum, Kate.  One day at a time.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on May 15, 2009, 13:41:51 PM
It is amazing sometimes, our furbabes never cease to impress! Hugs for the Swampster too!  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 16, 2009, 09:17:55 AM
He's not weeing much, which right now is causing me a bit of concern.  What I've asked the vet is can I borrow one of their wire carriers (they cost £50+ new apparently!) to see if Swampy would go into one without panicking in an emergency. All of this rush to Vet's Now (1/2 hr in the car from here) with Max made me wonder what if? for Swampy. He won't go into the little plastic carrier any more. I tried one day to take him out of the window and he became very anxious.
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Post by: Millys Mum on May 16, 2009, 19:22:39 PM
They are about £20 from metalcote, i much prefer them for stressy cats
I cant remember if prices shown include vat or not  :doh:

http://catbaskets.co.uk/ (http://catbaskets.co.uk/)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 16, 2009, 21:00:01 PM
brilliant, thank you. I borrowed one from the vet to see if he's go in it or not. We have to have something in case a home visit isn't possible like at night.
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Post by: Millys Mum on May 17, 2009, 20:01:18 PM
Iv used the company before and can vouch for service  ;D
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 18, 2009, 10:23:44 AM
I'm going to try the wire carrier borrowed from the vet later today, now that Swampy is a bit calmer with his Max to sleep on (head on tum).  The one on the site is quite a bit shorter though. I think they must have lent me a recovery cage.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 19, 2009, 13:18:55 PM
I put him in and carried him down the passage, which he thought was a lovely little adventure and purred his sweet little head off. I may do the same for him later when he wakes up.  He found some of Max's reject tuna renal and had a nibble too. But the egg....noooo  :sick: thought that was just a terrible idea.

Does anyone know if NF has more or fewer calories than k/d as thought I may risk it by giving him a little bit now and then if it's more? They weren't involved in the chinese food scandal were they? I always worry about the cereals in prescription renal food, but Swampy loves k/d, so he must have it. With all that is going on with Max, Swampy is my de-stress little magic man.

PS went down to the common hallway (down 45 stairs - phew the wire carrier is heavy) with him inside and then up again....purrs.....wouldn't be the same in a car though. I've ordered one the same size 61 x 30 x 30 cms so will be a gym workout. OH was resisting yet more money at the moment, but we have to be able to take him to the emergency vet in a carrier that is as least stressful as possible, should it be necessary. I hope we never have to use it but you never know.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 20, 2009, 16:07:12 PM
Well done Swampy boy what a star again.  Perhaps you should regularly put him in it and carry him around so he does get completely used to being in there?
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Post by: bonnielass on May 20, 2009, 22:19:16 PM
What a clever boy Swampy is, hopefully you can get him used to going in it without getting stressed bless him :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 21, 2009, 06:59:29 AM
You'll have muscles like Arnie Schwarz-thingie in no time!  :evillaugh:  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gwen on May 21, 2009, 11:43:36 AM
I am glad to read that Swampy is still doing well,hang in there boyo :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 22, 2009, 22:22:45 PM
He is a real little trooper, he's had so many things to cope with over a number of years but is still a love sponge. He's really one in a gazillion (or more).  The new carrier arrived today and with a cat in it it is pretty heavy but I think it's loads better than the old plastic little "frontloader" one. It's green with a red fastening wand so looks quite smart. yes, the arm muscles coming up the stairs were groaning (or what's left of the arm muscles).
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Post by: bonnielass on May 23, 2009, 11:37:04 AM
How is Swampy coping with Max being ill, i know if any of mine are off colour some of them come and seem to offer comfort to whoever is ill at the time, i do hope hes doing well and you are staying calm, hard i know :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 23, 2009, 17:12:28 PM
Not heard anything today Kate, hope everything is ok>?
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 23, 2009, 18:59:42 PM
Yes they are definitely comforting each other. Swampy's not had such a good day today - missed the tray and not eating that well so I gave him pepcid. But full of purrs and had a little outing on the roof in the sun (hope for more tomorrow). thanks for keeping the vibes coming for him too  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 23, 2009, 20:26:45 PM
He's doing really well though isn't he?  So a little set back now and then is probably to be expected.  Hope you all have a wonderful quiet night  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 24, 2009, 11:15:18 AM
He's still subdued and vomited up his food in the night (his cold's not clever). But mega purrs and I managed to cut his very long nails this morning while he sat on my lap. we are planning to give him a little sub cuts too as he is a little dehydrated and not wanting to move - so eating and drinking less. I hope we don't mess it up and he doesn't mind too much.
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Post by: Bazsmum on May 24, 2009, 11:34:08 AM
Sending more vibes to you all~~~~~ :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 24, 2009, 12:57:28 PM
he had a lovely time on the roof, but sub cuts are going to be impossible. I think I'm either going to have to just do it whatever he thinks 2- 3 times a week for a few minutes of annoyance or put in that catheter that you just have to top up. Basically he felt the needle and did what he does with any blood tests - move suddenly and violently to avoid it. He's only drunk a little today despite his skin folds being a little dehydrated so can't be too thirsty.

Had a good purr outside though and this time I moved him to the shade after 15 mins so he didn't get too hot.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 24, 2009, 19:15:29 PM
  I hope he has managed some fluids and glad to hear he enjoyed some sun.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 25, 2009, 17:09:17 PM
How's Swampy today?
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 25, 2009, 21:38:24 PM
Swampy's not too bad. We'll have to sort out the fluids thing as he is permanently a little dehydrated. It's kept in check by the fact that he has about 7 or 8 small meals of wet food with some water added in 24 hours and of course he drinks. He tells me if he can't find the water and wants to drink by 'nose-coning' ie he walks slowly around with his nose to the ground trying to sniff out the water so all we have to do is help him to the bowl. His cold's not great which makes him sick sometimes, which doesn't help of course.
But he got cuddled and we 'danced' around the room to some nice spotify music this morning and there were mega purrs.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 27, 2009, 09:27:44 AM
He's suddenly so senior this morning. I don't know if it's because of the cold and his cold too, but he's been crying and digging up his bed and a bit restless, poor old boy. I had to cuddle him from 4.30am for an hour (lots of purrs, so worth it)
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 27, 2009, 22:20:23 PM
we are going to have to do bloods (somehow: Swampy doesn't allow it often). Novartis say that Fortekor does increase potassium if a cat is eating quite well, which he is at the moment and Swampy is on Kaminox (potassium, iron, amino acids) 2x daily for his anaemia. CRF lowers potassium though but the only way to tell is via bloods. Same with anaemia, so please hope that Swampy allows bloods in the next week.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 28, 2009, 06:25:23 AM
Poor Little feller.  Sending special hugs and Paddy purrs for all of you this morning   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 28, 2009, 20:50:40 PM
Tried sub Qs again. He was restrained (theoretically) but still managed to keep moving, so we sub q'd the carpet. I have to get better at this and fast.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 28, 2009, 23:12:14 PM
Have you tried the cloths peg trick to see if that stops him wriggling? http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_giving_set.htm#clothes_peg_trick  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 29, 2009, 09:30:16 AM
I'll have to try that  ;D first get some clothes pegs as in a flat we don't have a washing line!

The thing is he walks off too in the middle of it. How long should it take to get about 50mls - 60mls in him using a 21 syringe and squeezing the bag a bit? It comes out very slowly but I don't want to give too much either. The vet said a golf ball sized lump, but that happens with only about 10mls fluid  :Crazy:

He only got up once in the night, which is very unusual, but it's the second night in a row he's done that. However he wasn't too senior to find the kitchen and eat up Max's Applaws! Not good for him, but to be honest I hope he enjoyed it.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on May 29, 2009, 09:48:33 AM
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He only got up once in the night, which is very unusual, but it's the second night in a row he's done that. However he wasn't too senior to find the kitchen and eat up Max's Applaws! Not good for him, but to be honest I hope he enjoyed it.

A bit of secret noshing sounds well good!  :)  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 29, 2009, 15:42:46 PM
How;'s he doing today?  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 29, 2009, 16:44:26 PM
not too bad thanks. He had 1/2 hour on the roof and loved his tum tickled out there and gave me a few lovebites, all of which was good. I'm taking him for another wander down the passage as he's up and about this afternoon.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on May 30, 2009, 23:24:01 PM
Have you tried the cloths peg trick to see if that stops him wriggling? http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_giving_set.htm#clothes_peg_trick  :hug:

He didn't mind the clothes pegs at all. But when I put in the needle, he started going nuts again and getting upset. We managed a very little, about a minute, then he jerked around and rolled on his back in one fast movement, so getting rid of the pesky needle once and for all.  I can see that we are going to have to have that horrible catheter put into him because then he will tolerate fluids. I mean the vet's got 13 years' experience and he still can't get blood out of Swampy quite often and always with a struggle.  He's never been easy but it's worse since he was blind.

But he had a great 1/2 hour on the roof laying down in the sun. He won't lie on the towel but lies on the shingle, so dumb-mum just worked out he likes the warmth. I must get some old tiles or something and put them down for him to be ultra comfy! The sun's great and he loves it, so long may it last.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on May 31, 2009, 15:56:09 PM
He didn't mind the clothes pegs at all. But when I put in the needle, he started going nuts again and getting upset.

Oh, what a shame, but it was worth a try. Glad to hear he's enjoying the sun anyway  :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on May 31, 2009, 16:38:42 PM
Glad he managed some time on the roof, he really seems to enjoy that:)
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 01, 2009, 07:19:10 AM
So glad he managed to make the most of the sunshine, even if the clothes pegs weren't a great success.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 02, 2009, 09:05:40 AM
is it all right if cats eat catmint (presumably?) as Swampy just ate a whole mouthful of dry catmint like a cow eats grass. He seems to enjoy munching it, in the roof garden or dry. OH put out some dry for him. Just checking that he's ok with it if anyone knows?

he had a calm night without Max. I hope his day will be ok too as he adjusts. I'm off to see my little hospital patient in 10 mins time.
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Post by: JackSpratt on June 02, 2009, 10:38:41 AM
We have a plant and ours chew whole leaves off, so I'm assuming it's safe! ;)
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Post by: bunglycat on June 02, 2009, 15:14:44 PM
Winston sits in the pot with it and chews it so i would say its okay .
Mega healing vibes are sent every day for Max and Swampy from me and the family every day . :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on June 02, 2009, 22:39:40 PM
Ive tried several times to grow catmint but it never gets very far as no matter where i hide it my lot always find it and devour it in one go :sneaky:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 02, 2009, 22:46:58 PM
thanks, well he's had a lot of it now. We have 2 plants and some dry stuff from them. I hope it makes him happy as yesterday he was fine without Max, but today I think he is missing him more. He has eaten a bit too much (like comfort food eating) and is more restless and active, getting up and wandering around more. We cuddled him a lot tonight and try to make sure that when he is awake, someone goes to touch and reassure him (as he is deaf-blind) and he's eating happily as I type.  I hope he will be all right tonight as I must try to get a few hours sleep.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 03, 2009, 11:33:33 AM
He was restless last night and kept getting up to eat and to have a little miaow before settling again for another hour or so. Most tiring night for quite a while. I hope he will get used to being on his own, should the worst happen with our Max. Right now he is asleep. He purrs when we comfort him, but it shows how much he loves having Max around. I was wondering if a bigger sized soft toy may comfort him. I tried a small seal toy but he licked it once then realised it wasn't his buddy. Swampy is such a bright cat too, not easily foxed.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on June 03, 2009, 17:32:53 PM
Poor little Swampy it must feel odd for him without his furry pillow.  It is worth trying a bigger toy but, as you say, he wont be easily fooled.  Hope he manages to settle tonight.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 03, 2009, 20:44:34 PM
Swampy - Paddy sez, yoo can snuzzle wiv him anytimes yoo likes - just close dem luvverly eyes, an' finks of Paddy or Max, an'nen next fings yer knoes is dat dey will be dere..... jus' fer yoo.   ;) :Luv:  Rown d' clock.   ;)  :)
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Post by: bonnielass on June 03, 2009, 22:21:16 PM
Kate could you get a larger cuddly toy and take it with you to the vets and rub  it up against Max so his smell is on it, that maybe will comfort Swampy a little bit  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 04, 2009, 02:17:27 AM
Aw give Swampy big head rubs from me and mine!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on June 04, 2009, 08:53:03 AM
Hope Swampy managed to have a peaceful night last night and you to, im sending those vibes for you both and lots of hugs :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 04, 2009, 13:30:29 PM
Swampy had 45 mins on the roof in the sun which he loved, but he drooled when he ate some catmint (like when they taste something bad) so I took it away. He started walking not so well on the roof, which is typical as I have to leave him alone today for 2 hours when I visit Max because Laura is working elsewhere. I hate leaving him but must do so as Max needs his mum too.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 04, 2009, 13:40:36 PM
Catmint can do that sometimes.  Might also be responsible for his wobbly walk too  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 04, 2009, 18:45:31 PM
I was gonna say about cat mint the other day...it has the same effects as nip!  ;) :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 04, 2009, 19:27:16 PM
Well he found the kitchen and cleaned the plate while I was out and found his way back to bed, so maybe he overdid the catmint grazing, just I've not seen him drool when he ate it before. He's just sitting quietly in his bed this evening but I'm sure he is missing his brother.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on June 04, 2009, 19:59:24 PM
wow clever boy swampy  :Luv:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 05, 2009, 07:03:48 AM
Just popping by with early morning cuddles for you and Swampy, Kate.   :hug: :hug: :hug:  He's bound to be missing his Max Monster.   :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 05, 2009, 08:42:09 AM
He's been so good for a while now with his vestibular problems - more than 2 months - but at 2am it started again. He's going left and not finding stuff and getting stressed. I am so worried, I hope it will self correct and it isn't because Max isn't here. It means I am going to struggle when I go to see Max in case Swampy needs help. He's fine as soon as he's rescued.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on June 05, 2009, 15:03:37 PM
Oh dear he is doing so well isn't he?  Maybe just a glitch because he is upset without Max.  Hopefully he will settle and you can leave him safely. You don't need all this stress Kaste  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 05, 2009, 15:31:57 PM
 :grouphug: Cat nip makes one of my cats drool!  :sick:

Big head rubs for darling Swampy.....and lots of love to yourself!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 06, 2009, 14:26:58 PM
please send your prayers and vibes for little Swampy too as he's not feeling too well again. His vestibular disease has started up after 2 months of being ok.  I have to put him back on abs if it continues another 24 hours, to see if that still helps as it did before. But sometimes he can self correct and be ok again, so please hope for him that he can. He is cheerful, purring when stroked and cuddled and eating ok, but a bit more subdued and lying down a lot and circling left, which is always worse for some reason, than right.  So far Max has roundly ignored him so he doesn't know that Max is back. I will bring Max in here later on and I hope he will curl up with him and we'll see if that makes any difference at all.
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 06, 2009, 14:28:17 PM
Sending more prayers and vibes to Swampy...hoping that with Max back home he will be happier!  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on June 06, 2009, 14:36:33 PM
Lots of hugs and positive vibes for Swampy and you too :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 07, 2009, 20:54:02 PM
we went for a walk and came back to find him in the bedroom down the passage, wandering about. I don't know if it was just self correcting or if it's because Max is back.  I hope it's a self correcting thing. We'd left the door open for Max who was in the bedroom, to come back in, never thinking Swampy would go for a walk by himself. I think he was 'looking' for the kitchen to eat something but turned left a bit soon! But he was calmly exploring and in a really good mood. I so hope it lasts.
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 08, 2009, 04:54:28 AM
That is good news....here's hoping Swampy is on the up, certainly sounds as if having his pal back has done him the world of good!  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 08, 2009, 06:57:51 AM
Was just thinking same thing as Bazsmum.  Hope you had a good night with him.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on June 08, 2009, 12:44:18 PM
Brilliant, WTG Swampy boy :)
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Post by: Topsy Turvey on June 08, 2009, 13:33:55 PM
Brillians news.  Keep up the good work Swampy  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 08, 2009, 22:03:58 PM
His dementia (I think that is is; agitation and over eating) is worse today, without Max. I don't know if he will cope. How long does it generally - if there are rules of course as everyone and every cat is different - take to know if an old cat can cope with the loss of a life long companion and is there anything I can do to help him.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on June 09, 2009, 07:52:29 AM
To be honest I never though my Dragan would cope with losing Pepsi the dog but he did.  He lost her and his two cat buddies and he thrived on being the only cat with all the attention.  He used to sleep with the dog and go into the garden with her for a potter.  He used to eat from her dish and head butt her all day.  Stop projecting things that might not happen, ie Swampy wont cope.  They surprise us all the time.  I know it is part of the anxiety pattern and we can't help it but try to focus on the good things Swampy is doing and not worry yourself sick over what might be (having said that who is the worst worrier in the world? Me)  Big hugs to you all and I am here at the end of the phone if you need a shoulder  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 09, 2009, 08:27:49 AM
The Cinnamon Trust use Rescue Remedy when they have pairs of cats and one is seriously ill, I will see if i can dig out the newsletter that was in and if there is any more info than that - alternatively, you could ring them, and maybe someone can advise you?
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 09, 2009, 23:38:13 PM
apparently there's an alcohol free RR so will try to get that. However the water bowl is now a big, flattish dog bowl so Swampy can find it easily. A few drops may not be quite enough in that vol of water. Swampy has been quiet today, slept a lot, eaten a bit less and quite purry when awake, so perhaps (who knows?) the upset will come in episodes. I read something today on the importance of touch, which is something we'd realised now that he is blind-deaf. I'm now taking 5 mins longer to keep touching and stroking him when i settle him down.
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on June 10, 2009, 08:03:15 AM
You can put it on ears and also in food.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 10, 2009, 18:40:21 PM
thanks, I will try his ears next time.

I had to visit Max today and decided to stay a bit longer in the hope that Swampy (who was having a reasonably good day) would be ok at home for 2 hours unsupervised. I left out some food in the kitchen, took a deep breath and went out. When I came back he was in his bed and all the food had been munched and he is having a lovely purr. I can't do this every day by any means, but what a relief and he is just magic.
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 11, 2009, 04:40:25 AM
Aw brilliant, glad he was fine while you were visiting Max...Im sure you were relieved when you got home! Good Lad Swampy!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 11, 2009, 06:58:10 AM
So glad Kate.  Swampy's a  :Luv:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on June 11, 2009, 07:17:11 AM
What a star that Swampy is rises to the challenge.  Well done Swampy boy  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 11, 2009, 19:25:44 PM
just as I think all's going well....Swampy's right eye is full of blood (inside). I had to email photos to the vet and he is coming around tomorrow to have a look and check Swampy's bp. He is on Istin and fortekor so it shouldn't be high but not sure what else could cause this. I am so worried.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on June 11, 2009, 23:21:42 PM
How worrying. High BP does spring to mind, maybe the dosages might need tweaking? Hopefully the vet will be able to put your mind at rest tomorrow.  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 12, 2009, 06:11:16 AM
Good Luck with the vet visit today, hope its nothing to worry about!  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 12, 2009, 07:08:12 AM
Kate, am thinking about you, and hoping all goes well.  Sending Swampy a speshul snuzzle and a whiskery PPpprrffffppptt from Paddy (he says it's an extra gentle Pppprrrrrfffppppttt)  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on June 12, 2009, 08:24:34 AM
Hope everything goes well with the vet today and thats his meds can be adjusted to help him, sending lots of positive vibes for Swamps and hugs for you too :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 12, 2009, 08:25:09 AM
flipping eye drops are dexamethasone which I think is steroid and the same stuff that Swampy had in injectable form months ago and he went nuts and hyper for 3 days. We had a rough night with him crying and wanting to eat a lot and not wanting to be cuddled = higher bp  >:(

I haven't given the drop this am and have emailed the vet to say I think it's increased the bp and can we please decide later what to do. I hope missing 1 dose doesn't matter, but surely if it's bp related, it's not good to just give something which may be hyping him up. He was more like Swampy in the bad old days before Selgian/istin and it wasn't nice.

I'm just stressing so much about it all.
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Post by: bonnielass on June 12, 2009, 08:28:42 AM
Try to stay calm Kate , i always say go by your gut reaction, you know Swampy better then anyone and im sure if you feel its the drops then you have done the right thing, talk to the vet when he comes and tell him your fears. fingers crossed it goes well for you both :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 12, 2009, 13:53:16 PM
He has 2 new drops 3x a day to somehow get in his eye. His bp was normal. He's been so agitated all morning so I think it was lower yesterday. As for his eye, the vet thinks it is his lens that has detached from old age and previous hypertension and it has got a blood clot. It will hopefully disappear gradually and not lead to glaucoma, which would be painful for him. He didn't even try to take bloods so will have to have them done quite soon on another visit. The vet thought Swampy was looking ok. Now "all" I have to work out how to do is to put the ointment into his eye (there's 1 drop and 1/2 hour later some ointment). He hates eye ointment and a lifetime of herpes problems treated with fucithalmic means he knows just how to avoid getting it in his eye.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on June 12, 2009, 19:52:19 PM
Well you will certainly have your work cut out but let's hope he is a good boy and you can get the drops and ointment in and his eyes are soon better  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 12, 2009, 21:04:55 PM
Sending calming vibes to help with Swampy's eye treatment~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 13, 2009, 07:06:44 AM
Swampy is very ill. He has been awake all night and unable to rest for longer than an hour. He is finding everything but is stressed. Something has happened in his brain. His eye looks a bit better but there's something very wrong and it's terrifying. I've been up with him all night. AT first he purred when I picked him up but this morning, not. It started again at about 1am. We are going to fetch Max today but I have to speak to the vet who thought Swampy was looking well yesterday. I don't believe his bp is normal, it's something neuro that has gone wrong.
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 13, 2009, 08:59:40 AM
Positive vibes all round Kate~~~~~hoping the vet can get Swampy sorted and with a bit of luck Max's being home may work its magic again!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on June 13, 2009, 10:28:48 AM
More positive vibes for Swampy, do hope this can be sorted and hopefully with Max home he may be more relaxed, sending lots of :hug: :hug: for you to, you must be so worried with them both being ill
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 13, 2009, 11:21:11 AM
his eye looks full of blood again behind the iris, but I'm sure it wasn't so bad earlier so it does seem he is bleeding in his eye area. He has finally gone to sleep but he only sleeps a little then wakes up. We are going to fetch Max and I will ask what to do re his meds as he is due to have his steroids at lunchtime today and that's likely to hype him further. The vet is not there until tuesday after today either.
yes it is very worrying and excuse me if I sound shrill but I am so desperately worried and tired. I haven't slept since 2am the night before last so 2 hours in 2 nights with the worry isn't helping me cope. Sorry. It's a shock as he's been stable and so happy for a few months now.

PS vet says it's probably the pain from his eye stopping him sleeping and it should improve over a week with the drops. He said I may have to leave him in the lounge alone to get any sleep, which is very very hard to do.
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Post by: bonnielass on June 13, 2009, 14:37:15 PM
Kate i know its really hard for you now with both boys being ill but you really need to get some rest or your going to make yourself ill as well, and the boys both need you ,could OH possibly stay with them for a couple of hours while you try and catch some sleep or if not OH someone who could help maybe your sitter ,                               Your bound to be anxious and worried i know and altho i cant help physically im here for you as are everyone else and we all send those healing vibes not only for the boys but also for you to :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on June 13, 2009, 20:15:16 PM
You do need to take care of yourself Kate and try not to stress.  I know Iam the worst person to tell  you that being as I am Mrs Anxiety 90% of the time but I promise you they pick up on it, I have seen the reaction in Charlie.  SO please please try and drink some of your funny tea, cuddle with your boys and eat some Kit Kat.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 14, 2009, 09:27:45 AM
I got 4 hours in the bedroom and I think Swampy was a bit calmer (OH sleeps very very well!). He's still walking about quite a bit but is purring more when picked up. I think it probably is that his eye is very sore, it looks horrible. The only problem is the steroid drops have possibly made his nose worse (he was already snorting) but he has to have them. Max isn't curling up with him much as yet but there was just a moment where they ended up in the same green bed and Swampy was a bit 'oh it's you'.

I am feeling sad though today as their passports expire tomorrow.
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 15, 2009, 06:53:25 AM
I am feeling sad though today as their passports expire tomorrow.

 :care: :grouphug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 17, 2009, 10:18:12 AM
His eye still doesn't look good so I have to book another home visit and maybe bloods too, if he allows. I'm now so scared to just leave him until I see changes in case there's something treatable that we miss. He's not having such a good day today but I hope will feel better again soon. It could be from the eye. Hope the vet can fit us in this week.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 18, 2009, 09:45:06 AM
The vet is coming today to inspect his eye and (in theory) take bloods. We need to see if the fortekor is working and how his kidneys are doing and his anaemia. There is an ear pricking thing that I am going to be shown how to use for taking just enough blood to measure anaemia without doing full bloods.
Swampy is still not too good with his vestibular problem today but is eating well and happy in himself, breaking the purring record this morning again.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 18, 2009, 14:46:22 PM
the vet can't come. His operating overran and then there's a RTA come in. So as he's not able to do tomorrow or saturday and he's off monday and tuesday as usual, Swampy's visit is bounced to wednesday. I could have the locum come on monday but I'd rather not. It is a bit nervy for me as who knows how Max will be by wednesday as well. I'm going to ask for a good long home visit anyhow as I had to pay for an urgent one last friday (for Swampy's eye) when he didn't have time to do anything other than do his bp and check his eye. I'm a bit disappointed.
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 18, 2009, 17:51:28 PM
What an awful, emotional time for you and your babes all round, you would of thought the vet would of given Swampy a full going over to ease your mind too!  :Crazy:

Positive vibes for you and your men x :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 19, 2009, 07:36:34 AM
Understandable that you're feeling more than a bit let down Kate.   :hug: :hug:  Sending positive thoughts for you all this morning. 
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 22, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
I've confirmed the appointment's now for wednesday.

Swampy found the kitchen in the night and scoffed the Applaws I'd left out in case Max ate anything. So far so good. But then he mixed it with a little old k/d and the carpet has yet another stain! Poor Swampy is still feeling a bit off I think as hasn't eaten his usual amount at breakfast either.
They are at last curled up together and asleep. I take a photo or two of them daily so I have a photo diary. OH says all the pics are identical (which they are) but what is wrong with that?!  :P
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 22, 2009, 18:07:17 PM
I take a photo or two of them daily so I have a photo diary. OH says all the pics are identical (which they are) but what is wrong with that?!  :P

What a fab idea Kate!  :wow:

Positive vibes for Swampy's appointments~~~~~ :Luv: :hug:

So glad they are getting back to normal with each other!  :Luv2:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 23, 2009, 12:40:05 PM
Swampy just had his home visit. The vet changed to today (I had to change my only plans to go out all week  :() otherwise he would have cancelled the pre-arranged appointment again tomorrow for the 2nd week in a row. I complained and he said he is a one man practice and people who come into the surgery take precedence. I'm pretty annoyed as we aren't abusing it and to say we've sent a bit of business his way since September would be an understatement. He said he'd always fit Swampy in, if I can take him down. I can't take him down. He knows there are no other good vets and that we trust his treatment of the boys. Anyhow today is his day off, so he chose to come today and at least we had a decent appointment. Swampy allowed a tiny bit of blood to be taken, which will be sent off tomorrow. The results should be back by thursday morning latest.

Swampy was a bit agitated after the bloods and his bp was 200 but I think it's more like 160 or 170 normally. He's a bit dehydrated so we may have to try to give him 50mls of fluids. He's going to be a lot more difficult to do it to than Max. Swampy was so sick in the night from his cold muck going down and I think that is why but I can't get him to drink today and he's not eaten as much either.
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 24, 2009, 10:56:51 AM
Hope Swampy is feeling better today...Maybe just the shock of the vet visit that has upset him more?  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 24, 2009, 14:00:43 PM
He had 50mls sub cuts this morning on the vet's advice and he didn't mind the needle but as soon as the fluid went in....wow. It took both of us and 50mls takes about 20 seconds. I can't really warm it up as it's kept at room temp in a cupboard where the fridge thermometer in there (is there a better one for accurate non fridge use?) says it is 22 or 23 degrees. The fluids have to be under 25 degs. But as the needle didn't bother him, it must have stung him maybe? Anyhow it is quickly done with the syringe. He got a bigger hump than Max, so I think he is less dehydrated.
I get his blood results back tomorrow probably. I hope the fortekor is working.

He went out on the roof for 30 mins today and was relaxing and doing fine until he started eating the catmint and got a branch of it stuck in his mouth. I was watering and didn't see him for a bit. Poor little guy foamed all over everything, even his head. I cleaned him up, brought him back in and brushed him for 15 mins and then he ate his lunch and is now looking as though a good sleep is in order.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on June 24, 2009, 15:43:19 PM
I always warmed the fluids up before use, I put the bag in a bowl of warm water. I kept the bag in the fridge in between times.

Nice to hear Swampy had a little outing on the roof  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 24, 2009, 19:16:45 PM
I think I will do that, as although they aren't refrigerated, nor are they at 37 degrees body temp. Poor Swampy's blood results are a lot worse than 6 weeks ago which is why I wanted them tested. I sensed it. The fortekor isn't holding his creatinine and urea in check. The latest numbers are creatinine 487 (last 2 times 273) and urea 28 (17 last time). It's a shock. The vet says he was a bit dehydrated yesterday which would elevate the numbers a bit, but to give him 50 - 100mls fluids, probably once a day for now will be what he will cope with as he struggles with the sub cuts, but it's only 30 seconds and the fluids are all we have left and should help him a lot. Vet said it's ok to heat them up to more like his body temp, then let them cool to below 25 again. He is only slightly anaemic, like last time so we keep on with the 1ml kaminox too. And his phosphate is ok. He only eats k/d so it should be.

Swampy's not been feeling too well from mid afternoon - maybe it was the catmint in the mouth episode but his walking's not good and he's stressed. I just hope that a nice long sleep and a good zoom groom tonight will calm him down.

The vet says he wasn't judging me, just is quite astonished as he has not had a client who would do this for their cats ie live for them 24/7 and he can see I am running on empty.  He hasn't run into some of the people on here or other cat sites clearly! I had it out with him; I told him I've been unwell for their whole lifetimes and they supported me. Now it is my turn to support them until their time has come.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 25, 2009, 07:10:19 AM
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I had it out with him; I told him I've been unwell for their whole lifetimes and they supported me. Now it is my turn to support them until their time has come.

 :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 25, 2009, 09:26:14 AM
Wish me luck. I have to plead with one of the nurses to come and help me with Swampy's fluids when OH is away for 2 days soon. I can't do it on my own. This morning, Swampy got the needle out while OH was holding him tight! He doesn't mind the needle, but warming the fluids made zero difference. He just went nuts when he felt the fluids. It is only 2 - 3 mins in 24 hours and he purred away within 30 seconds of it ending, but to do on my own isn't even an option.

I emailed the vet as am in shock over Swampy's raised creatinine seeing as though it was 273 on 16 April and 273 the test before that too. I feel it may be linked to his not having any antibiotic treatment since 7 April. I'm sure his cold and the bit of blood in his urine probably need some abs. The spike coincides neatly with no abs. Then again too many abs will hurt his kidneys, which at current values is a huge worry.
I'm unimpressed and disappointed with fortekor though as Swampy has proteinurea and those are supposed to be the ones that benefit most.

Swampy hasn't lost significant weight and his coat is good but what's a constant is his snorting and snuffling. I'm sure those don't help bp and high/er bp is bad for kidneys too. The vet does tend to say it's all because he's old but at 17 years and 8 months he's not that much older than 17 years and 6 months is he?! Of course it could be that. I just hope and pray he doesn't crash as hospital is unlikely to be possible.

Max has done better for 48 hours now, eating well, so now I am back to huge stress about Swampy.
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Post by: Dawn F on June 25, 2009, 14:13:43 PM
don't be upset by the what the vet said Kate, I have to be honest I wouldn't do what you are doing - he is probably shocked that anyone is that dedicated  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 25, 2009, 17:17:14 PM
I could'nt do it either!  :scared:



Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on June 25, 2009, 22:41:15 PM
Well I'm unemployed so I have the time and can get up at night and not have to face a boss in the morning! the worst thing is the lack of sleep, which doesn't help with the worry either. Purrs really helps so a big hug to you all.

Swampy is not so great today, but he's been put back on antibiotics for 10 days and I hope they help rather than make things even worse. We will have to work out a quick method of giving him his fluids. One of the nurses said she would help me on one of the days OH is away as long as I wasn't fussy about what time. Not sure the other day as she's not working, but I hope we can sort something out.
I never thought it would be too hot to take him on the roof, but I waited until 5.30 this evening, when there was hardly any sun. Don't think he was impressed, but I was keen to avoid having to give more fluids!
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 26, 2009, 11:28:08 AM
Swampy's not feeling too well. He's a bit off his food for the first time in a very long time. I hope the antibiotics haven't made things worse. Please send positive thoughts , vibes and prayers for him that he will be ok and that the abs won't make his kidney values climb even higher.

Does anyone know if Pepcid is ok for cats with high values in CRF as my vet's not very keen on it but both boys are eating green plant so much I took it away as they then vomit which makes dehydration worse. I would like to give him 1/4 pepcid as think it may help with stomach acid or nausea. Also don't know if fluids can take away appetite, make him feel fuller? He was not good all night, then this morning was a bit better, but after vomiting during a meal and then having his sub cut fluids, he felt worse again.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on June 26, 2009, 14:12:43 PM
Don't forget, the antibiotics can make them a bit depressed and off their food sometimes.  :hug: I'm not sure about Pepcid I'm afraid, I've never used it.
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 27, 2009, 01:50:36 AM
Hope it is just the meds...Positive vibes for darling Swampy~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 27, 2009, 11:15:05 AM
Yes he picked up a bit last night when it got cooler. Today I did a stupid thing because I'm tired. I always put all the cats' syringes with the sub cuts in a container and then we can dispense the fluids as fast as possible to them both, so it is 2 x 50ml and 4 x 20 -  25ml filled syringes all together. This morning I got in a muddle and Swampy got 25mls more than he should have, as he got one of Max's by mistake. I hope it is ok. I am worried. He is fully hydrated and he still has a hump to absorb. I'm so scared that I hurt him. I'm such an idiot.
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 28, 2009, 03:36:59 AM
Im sure he will be fine Kate, gosh I really feel for you right now....this must be such a strain on you!  :care: :grouphug:

Positive vibes for the boys~~~~~~~ :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on June 28, 2009, 07:12:43 AM
Kate  :hug:  try not to worry.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 28, 2009, 08:43:22 AM
He carried a lump in his leg all day so I'll only give him an underdose today as right now his skin feels hydrated and he has had a drink though (didn't drink yesterday). It doesn't seem to make him feel better, like Max.
His walking's not so good but he's eaten well today. Thanks for the support. If I give more than 100mls again, will have to sort out 2 doses.

I am still stressing about who is going to help me on 8th July with his fluids. The cat sitter is away and the vet nurse who agreed to help isn't at work that day. The other nurse was more negative.
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Post by: bunglycat on June 28, 2009, 14:21:06 PM
Hope you can find someone to help -you have a bit of time left , so good luck .
Lots of furry headbuts and  :hug: :hug: :hug:  to the Swampy man
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 28, 2009, 14:54:39 PM
so sweet. He is lying on the towel on the roof, licking a yoghurt pot, wearing his harness (it makes him feel safe) and purring.
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Post by: bonnielass on June 29, 2009, 07:59:44 AM
Kate just wondering would it be possible to give his fluids on the 7th instead of the 8th, if thats possible it would solve your problem :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 29, 2009, 09:42:09 AM
He'll have some early morning on 7th and then sometime on 9th when one of the nurses will come. Because he's not too co-operative (for that read struggles like anything) we are trying to give once daily, about 95mls- 100mls in this weather. If it doesn't work, he will just be a bit dehydrated for one day. Not ideal. I am going to ask my neighbour (who is moving end July but should be here then) to plunge the syringe if I hold Swampy still. This morning he was not keen at all, whereas yesterday he was not too bad. Just afterwards though he was fine and purring again so the fright is just temporary.

The trouble with doing it twice on 7th possibly is that cats must have absorbed the first dose before you give a second.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 29, 2009, 23:42:04 PM
Swampy has a bad eye infection, the same eye I've been putting the steroid drops in. His eye is pretty gummed shut and even when I force it open to put in his fucithalmic, you can hardly see the pupil, just eyelid.
Of course the vet won't come but I've been told to bathe it in saline water often so that's what I'm doing. I hope he will be better tomorrow. However I tend to think it's his herpes that has flared from the heat.
It is so hot in this flat. We have 2 fans going and I wipe him with a damp, cool cloth sometimes but there's not much else I can do. Tomorrow I think I will close the windows and curtains between 11 and 3 to see if it helps.
Please send vibes for the poor little old man's eye to heal. He's not rubbing it, but it looks horrible.
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Post by: bunglycat on June 29, 2009, 23:44:01 PM
Ahh, poor Swampy - how about some cold tea or cool boiled water ?
Lots of healing vibes being sent for the handsome boy  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on June 30, 2009, 08:31:24 AM
Poor Swampy hes not having much luck just lately is he,hope his eye is a bit better this morning and sending lots of healthy healing vibes for him :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on June 30, 2009, 09:20:39 AM
Poor Swampy hes not having much luck just lately is he,hope his eye is a bit better this morning and sending lots of healthy healing vibes for him :hug: :hug:

Seconded!  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 30, 2009, 09:37:42 AM
I'm really tired so excuse this if it is a stupid question, I've closed the window in the lounge (we only have 1 and it is south facing) and the curtains and turned on the fans. One is facing Swampy. Do you think the breeze could make his eye worse? We got the fucithalmic in and I've bathed it 3x overnight but it still looks horrible.  Then again,  he purred all through his sub cuts this morning  :Crazy: his dad was biting his head, which he always finds funny and purrs.

um, should I close the window in the morning? It was wide open all night and early this am to let the cooler air in.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on June 30, 2009, 22:54:02 PM
It seems his chronic herpes and the steroid drops given for his blood in the eye have caused an ulcer. OH and I had to use a dye strip tonight and the vet's UV light to see if there were green patches. There is one. His third eyelid is up a lot and his eyelids are swollen and he is keeping that eye shut.  I'm bathing it with saline often. I have been told to use an antibiotic ointment called chloramphenicol, but it hurts him and if he has an ulcer (probable apparently), he has to have eye ointment every few hours. I hope fucithalmic would do (maybe too gentle?) as he tolerates that too. He is quite calm about the eye, just keeps it shut, doesn't rub it, although it looks so sore. But as soon as I put that ointment in, he rubs madly.

I had a go at the vet for not doing the home visit I wanted for Swampy. He is always too busy as is a one man practice, he doesn't get lunch etc. But he gives priority to patients who come in rather than home visits, although the latter would only take 20 mins door to door return as we are close. Swampy can't be risked in a car journey or I would do that. Anyhow I said my piece as didn't feel that I am competent to do eye tests at home with UV lights and know what I am looking at. Vet said to photograph the eye and email it. Well my old camera isn't up to that as Swampy moves and UV light is dim so the shutter closed too slowly and we got a blurred image.
I've calmed down now but poor little boy, he needs to be SEEN. He needs an antibiotic ointment that helps his eye and painkiller drops too.  Please send vibes that this gets sorted out tomorrow. Apparently when properly and correctly treated, these flare ups can settle in as little as a week.
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Post by: bunglycat on July 01, 2009, 02:23:34 AM
Lots of vibes here for poor Swampy - hope he gets seen tomorrow and he gets something to help him.
I really think that vet is out of order -its his job to comeout if you can't get there - he may be a one man practise , but he is getting well paid for it all !
Sorry you are having such a bad time with both Swampy and Max being so ill - lots of  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:  for you all too .
Take care of each other .
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Post by: Bazsmum on July 01, 2009, 02:43:51 AM
Positive vibes for Swampy's eye~~~~~~~ :grouphug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 01, 2009, 07:19:57 AM
Kate, amd sending bagsfull of positive thoughts for you and Swampy and Max this morning.  I'm not surprised you were upset.  That's the trouble when your vet is a One Man Band.  Ours is the same, and I know he works extremely hard, but there are times when I feelhe just has too much to handle on his own.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 01, 2009, 19:02:45 PM
yes, well I went around there, having done a dye test last night ourselves on Swampy and taken a terrible photo (deemed hopeless of course) to look at photos in a book of what it looked like under the UV light. Answer not really any of them. He is booked in for a visit on Friday (unless.....). In the meantime I took him off the chloro ab ointment as it was causing pain and put him back on fucithalmic. His eye opened a little this afternoon and there's less pus so that's good.
He also had a 20 minute roof session which he seemed to enjoy, had a nice lie down in his lion pose and even managed a pee on the roof (not something to tell the neighbours). However I think soon I may have to give him a bit more fluids as he may be a little dehydrated. Then again it may be because he is drinking/moving less in the heat. They say you can only give 100mls in one go on a regular basis, which will mean 2 gos.  It only takes a minute and helps so much that it is worth it though. If anyone out there is thinking about it for their cat, do it, it's not hard and it only takes a couple of minutes in a 24 hour day.
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Post by: Bazsmum on July 02, 2009, 04:11:32 AM
Glad his eye seems to be getting better!  :)

Happy he is having a great time on his fave spot on the roof too!  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 02, 2009, 11:52:06 AM
Bazsmum you're as bad as me, up at 4am  :Crazy: !  thanks xxx

He is eating a lot today so the heat hasn't put him off food today at least (or 3x in the night....) but he has peed too much overnight. He purred all through his fluids this morning too. OH is going away he tells me at 6am on tues until late thurs night so looks as though I may need help with the sub cuts for 3 days. We had 25 mins lying on his towel on the roof but then it got too hot for him.
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Post by: Bazsmum on July 02, 2009, 22:28:23 PM
Hopefully the peeing more will be in conjunction with the eating more....Hope you can get someone to help out while OH is away!  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 03, 2009, 21:02:48 PM
peeing every 2 hours but today the vet visited and spent 45 mins checking him over. Swampy has an eye ulcer but in the *better* part of the eye to get one, so is on an antibiotic ointment. His bp meds have been slightly increased as his bp was 200 and he wasn't too stressed as had been asleep. He also got some laurabolin which made him hungrier and quite walky and purry and cheerful so maybe it worked straight away on his slight anemia.
I hope it's just the extra fluids making him pee so often and his bloods aren't worse as he's only having them redone in a month or so, unless something really changes. At least we had a good visit and a chat with the vet.
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Post by: Janeyk on July 03, 2009, 21:32:39 PM
Glad the visit went well  :hug: to Swampy
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Post by: bonnielass on July 06, 2009, 08:44:04 AM
Morning Kate hope things are a bit more positive for you and the boys this morning, still sending those positive vibes for them both and lots of hugs for you :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 06, 2009, 18:24:30 PM
Swampy seems a little upset because since the very hot weather (this flat gets like a furnace) Max has decamped to sleep all day and night on the sofa. He just won't share the bed with Swampy any more. Those of you who've seen the photos on the thread know that they've curled up together every day for 15+ years. Normally they get on so well and mutual groom all the time.  I don't think it's because he's feeling ill as when he was feeling awful before going into hospital, he hid under the bed. It seems more like choice (right now he's blissfully asleep on the sofa- it's a very soft one). Poor little Swampy so enjoys and relaxes when he has his head on Max's tum but there's nothing I can do. I tried to encourage Max to go into the bed but he walked straight out.  I took Swampy to the sofa but he wasn't happy out of his bed. If I put stuff on the sofa, Max goes upstairs to his other spot, which is an old cat-radiator-bed cover tatty thing on the floor. I don't know if they've had a kitty argument or what is going on.
Swampy doesn't sleep for as long as a result so I have to get up and go to him a lot more. He eats more too, which is a stress response. Between the 2 of them wanting to eat last night, i got about 1 hour's sleep  :Crazy: His bp at the vet visit was up to 200 so his Istin's been slightly increased (very "scientific": I cut the tab into 1/4s then shave "a bit less off" than before). I get so upset for him as it's not as if Max isn't here or anything. He's in the same room but Swampy has no idea where he is.

He's just woken again. Only been asleep about 45 mins. Does anyone have any ideas as I can't imagine how to get a cat to do anything it doesn't want to do.
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Post by: bonnielass on July 07, 2009, 07:36:39 AM
Would a very soft teddie rubbed on Max to get the smell and a little hotwater bottle  to make it warm and a little clock (mimic the heartbeats ) help him to settle, i know it sound silly but desperate means calls for desperate measures and could be worth a try, apart from that Kate i dont have any other ideas, hope you can find the solution :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 07, 2009, 09:49:45 AM
 :thanks:  have turned on his heatpad (amazing after last week!). Last evening I took him to the bedroom and held him on the horrible chest that he used to sleep on all the time (and where he fell off for his accident). To my surprise he settled straight away. I can't leave him there though as it's too dangerous so I sat with him for about 1/2 hour then brought him back. He did enjoy that and he relaxed. I'm thinking of bringing that bedding (not v washable though, unlike his current vet bed) to his bed here in case that helps. Max just wants the sofa or else to sleep curled up with me. I took Swampy on to the futon to Max, but he didn't react and turned away.

His eye was open on the fuci, but is now shut tight again on the chloromycetin. They are supposed to be better for his ulcer than the fuci. He's not rubbing the eye but I do wonder if it's adding to his agitation that maybe this ointment is not as well tolerated. I wish he could talk!  (other than yelling for food at 2am....end of my sleep for the night).
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Post by: Bazsmum on July 08, 2009, 09:58:22 AM
Id maybe ask the vet about the eye med change....sounds as if the new meds are making his eye go back over (from open to closed).

Lots of vibes to you all~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 08, 2009, 13:23:31 PM
he's been sweet and sleepy since yesterday, so when my neighbour helped with the fluids this morning, he was just fine. She's used to cats and held him still & nuzzled his head which he likes. I rang the vet's and they want him to stay on this ointment but say I can use the other one as well as that may soothe the eye. Only trouble is, he's not the easiest to get eye ointment into! I only get a tiny slither when I'm on my own.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 10, 2009, 17:34:37 PM
The vet came here again today to see Swampy's eye. Sadly his ulcer's still there which isn't surprising given his age and health problems, but it's a worry. Normally it takes about 6 weeks of constant ointment to heal and if not, a cat would have an op. That's not really an option. Otherwise his bp is up (probably linked to the ulcer) still at 200, so his Istin's been upped to a 1/4 tablet.
Little one was quite calm and co-operative today and had a good time on the roof in the sun, before it rains all weekend. I've got to watch out now that he doesn't get lethargic and his bp go too low. Poor little guy even had his nails cut too. 

Btw we discussed diet and the vet's view is that the renal foods are the best and that although cats are carnivores, a diet too high in pure meat would mean a cat died younger as it's too much protein for old kidneys. That's because I moaned about the cereals they put in the k/d.

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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 12, 2009, 11:59:51 AM
Swampy opened his eye for a bit this morning. I hope that is a good sign. This week we have to concentrate on really getting the right amount of ointment in despite him trying to stop us. He has had eye ointments since he was tiny (herpes) so has got used to avoiding them. I so so hope he can knock out this ulcer. His eye still looked red though but that  apparently may never fade.
I think he misses Max curling up with him but there is nothing I can do about it. Just try to keep him happy when he is awake and make sure he has lots of purrs.
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Post by: Bazsmum on July 13, 2009, 13:05:14 PM
Sounds like a good sign to me! More positive vibes being sent to get the eye healed properly~~~~~ :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 15, 2009, 08:34:25 AM
His fluids are being absorbed faster these days so I hope 100mls a day is enough for him. He doesn't drink that much though (but not exactly hot weather now is it?). I went out yesterday for a rare treat and someone sat with them while I was gone. She sat on the sofa, preventing Max from sitting there (or he thought so) so he went and got into bed again with Swampy and they mutual groomed and went to sleep. So they've not had a fight, Max just prefers the sofa. It's such a pity as Sarah (catsitter) also said how happy Swampy was when Max arrived with him. We managed 25 mins between showers on the roof yesterday with Swampy who loved that. But just lately he is eating less. Rollercoaster worries again.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 16, 2009, 09:11:58 AM
Only 2 hours sleep for the second night in a row too and then this morning Swampy ate so well .....and vomited it all up....then did a poo in 3 separate "instalments" in both his trays! Plus I have to drive friends to the stupid shopping centre. Oi. Sun is out so I hope to get him on the roof for 20 mins, then refeed him and he keeps it down. I think the vomit is from his cold. Vet wants him back on antibios quite soon. :(
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Post by: Bazsmum on July 16, 2009, 12:04:51 PM
Oh you must be exhausted Kate, not just the physical but the mental also!  :Luv: :hug:

Sending positive vibes to help his tum out and more vibes for a lovely sunny day for you all~~~~~~"Chin up"  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 17, 2009, 09:14:40 AM
I woke up at 4am to find he'd been up and eaten and found the tray, but he's making those loud globby noises when he swallows, so I think he may need to go back on his antibiotics unfortunately. It's so difficult as they aren't good for bad kidneys but nor is fighting an underlying infection. He's been sooooo purry overnight and this morning though and gave his dad's ear a big lovebite.

We've also found that holding him for the eye ointment with me putting it in from above his head seems to work better (if that helps anyone else fighting to get eye ointments in!). He opened his eye briefly and it didn't look quite as bad this morning. Apparently it's good that he keeps it shut as then his paw won't hurt it further.  He also seems to have a slightly tattier coat but it's thicker, like a winter coat. I wonder if he knows there's no more hot weather?!
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Post by: Bazsmum on July 17, 2009, 13:34:48 PM
Well my dad informed me that the next heat wave does not start till the 15th Aug!  :tired:

Wishing that when the sun splits the cloud it shines on you and yours!  :wish:  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 19, 2009, 22:20:23 PM
When Swampy has vestibular symptoms, normally putting him on antibiotics helps. Today I had to put him back on antibios as his cold was becoming a problem (infection not good with his kidneys) although his vestibular issues weren't a problem. So now his cold's a bit better already but he isn't walking as well, but turning left and needing help so they clearly work in some weird way on his vestibular probs.  It may be a long night as he can't find the food. He is happier though with his snorting less and is eating a little better. It's all such a tricky, tiring juggling act.  I suppose I must ask the vet what the minimum no of days is for the course of abs to help. It's the first time he's had abs when his vestibular symptoms are not a problem; I didn't want to leave his cold untreated as for some reason during the 2 1/2 months without any abs, his kidney values almost doubled (I'd not put him on them as he was walking just fine most days in those 2 1/2 months).

Thanks again to everyone for your continued support for both Swampy and Max (and their mum)  :hug: xx
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Post by: Bazsmum on July 20, 2009, 12:33:02 PM
Thinking of you and the boys and sending you some sun for your balcony!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 20, 2009, 15:07:24 PM
He's really off his food, won't hardly eat at all. Usually and recently he's been eating really well so I am worried. I've asked the vet to please come asap to take bloods and to check him over. Neither his cold nor antibiotics have affected his appetite before and it's now quite a few days with it getting worse daily, so I'm scared that his kidneys are worse. I don't know if the sub cuts can actually make him less hungry as that's the only recent development. His vestibular symptoms are still not good either, no self correction as yet. But he's purring and enjoying cuddles as usual and isn't hunched up or anything and had a lovely time with 45 mins on the roof where the sun was out but it wasn't too hot.
Please send him vibes or prayers and for his little brother Max too (will update his thread) who isn't good either.
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Post by: bonnielass on July 20, 2009, 19:30:38 PM
Oh Kate i really feel for you  :hug: your having such a rough time with the boys you must be out of your mind with worry :scared: im sending loads and loads of positive healing vibes for both the boys and you :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on July 20, 2009, 23:13:24 PM
Sorry they are both poorly again -lots of mega get well vibes from us all here in Lincoln :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 21, 2009, 09:02:10 AM
Swampy ate a little bit in the night and this morning although not nearly as much as usual. I put his tray really near him and he did find it but he also slept a lot (while I didn't, watching him to see when he'd get up!).
The vet is supposed to come and see him at lunchtime today and hopefully take bloods. I say hopefully as Swampy doesn't allow much to be taken but we really do need to know how he is overall. His last ones were a month ago almost and they were quite a bit worse than the time before.
The antibiotics seem to have helped his constipation and his coat's better, a bit shinier. I shone a torch into his eye last night though and I can still see the shadow of the ulcer, but at least he's not rubbing it and just keeps the eye mostly shut, so hopefully it's not bothering him a great deal.  Old age is horrible. I just make sure when he is awake, that he is being touched and cuddled so has a good purr.

No roof sun today as it's raining yet again.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 21, 2009, 13:49:25 PM
Swampy didn't fight at all when they took bloods. He won't eat much at all. The vet expressed his bladder and afterwards he kept going (twice) to the tray to try to wee again so it must have hurt or made him uncomfortable. Vet says there is blood in his urine and inflammation or a benign tumour in the bladder - which he had pushed. I wish I said to wait, please let him go by himself as he would have done so I'm sure.

Little one slept all morning from 8.30 to 1 which he never does and he's just so subdued and if he eats a teaspoon of food every few hours, then the paw comes out to say enough. I am so worried and frightened. The blood results will only be back on thursday I think. I have to somehow get him to eat. I gave him a little of Applaws but he only ate a teaspoonful. I don't know what to do, so just get more and more anxious and upset.
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Post by: Bazsmum on July 21, 2009, 14:20:21 PM
Aw sorry to hear that the vet gave his bladder a squeeze for which you wish he never, He was just checking how full the bladder was and if there was anything in there as he found!  :hug: :hug:

All this worry must be taking its toll on you Kate, one cat is enough to be anxious over but two!  :scared:

Im sending positive vibes and wishing you all some quality time....hope things pick up soon for you and yours!
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 21, 2009, 22:03:53 PM
thanks  :hug: He's barely eaten 1/2 can of food of various kinds today. He tries a little, then after just a nibble the paw comes out to say enough.  Until a week ago he was on 1 1/2 - 2 cans in 24 hours and really eating well. He just seems so limp and lethargic, a little furry bundle purring in my arms but with no energy. I wish the blood results came back tomorrow, but then again I am afraid of what they say. It's all been so quick as last week he was doing ok. I wish Max would go and sit with him as that would make him happy, but he just won't.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 21, 2009, 22:07:44 PM
Just wanted to say a special "nite,nite" for you and the boys, Kate.   :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on July 22, 2009, 14:54:50 PM
Sorry to hear he's off his food again!  :(

What would Swampy do if you brought him to Max?  :sneaky:

I do hope things calm down for you Kate....Wishing you all the very best!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on July 22, 2009, 15:17:17 PM
I suppose you've tried him with some A/D Kate? Good luck with the blood tests tomorrow.  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 22, 2009, 21:13:36 PM
no results yet. some time tomorrow. I'll sit at home waiting for the phone to ring, horrible. The results should have been through tonight but weren't so of course I'm getting anxious about why that is.

Max decided to spend a bit of time with Swampy in the green bed today which made Swampy so happy. He has eaten a little bit today, more than yesterday and thanks to Max's visit, he has been less lethargic. He even sat up and gave Max's eyebrows a clean. Max spent a couple of hours with him but has now abandoned him again. I wish I knew how to get him to stay.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on July 23, 2009, 07:27:32 AM
Keeping fingers crossed for the results, Kate.   :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on July 23, 2009, 13:07:53 PM
Thinking of you and the boys Kate and wishing for good news on the test results today.... :wish: :grouphug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 23, 2009, 22:30:20 PM
the lab didn't test the bloods as got confused with another cat's which were stopped as the poor cat was pts. So the results should be through tomorrow and the vet says he will call me when they are in. Swampy was food phobic for much of the day but tonight (after steroids at lunchtime) he has eaten a little bit, but he is still only eating enough for a mouse.
Please send vibes for him that he can pick up and eat more. I will have to get up and feed him lots of little meals during the night and hope that he eats some.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on July 24, 2009, 11:55:03 AM
just got his results (hopefully the right cat  :Crazy:). The sub cuts have greatly improved his kidney readings - probably why in America they use sub cuts ahead of fortekor - from creatinine 480 last month to 315 this time and urea last time 28 to this time 15 although the flip side of them is decreased albumin and slightly increased anaemia.  Swampy has to stay on antibiotics for a month and have more kaminox and laurabolin. But we have to get the dose of sub cuts right (no other patients are on them) as too much causes other problems, while improving the kidneys. To date he is on 100mls a day. He is fully hydrated for most of the 24 hours but his skin doesn't snap back too well when the next dose is due.

Nothing in the bloods shows why he isn't eating much. His steroids yesterday meant he has eaten a little overnight and this morning but what is weird (fluids maybe, or blockage?) he has put on weight despite not eating much. So I have to give him lactulose.

He may not be allowed periactin as it may interact with Selgian - the vet is finding out. Swampy is his only patient ever on Selgian.

So the overall picture isn't bad, but of course he needs to start eating again properly and stop any food phobia. His phosphate levels are still normal so I can give him pretty much anything to tempt him to eat but he's an amazing little guy in that he actually enjoys k/d! 

Please good Purrs people, send him eating vibes  :thanks:  :hug:  I'm relieved by the results but also still worried about the eating and his tum.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on July 24, 2009, 15:03:01 PM
That sound like all round good news Kate, nice to see you get some relief!  :hug:

Sending positive vibes to you all, eating, tummy anything you feel fit these vibes are to cover~~~~~~Best of Luck!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on July 27, 2009, 22:20:27 PM
His ulcer just isn't healing I don't think. His eye is shut. Obviously vision is not an issue as he is blind but I don't want him to be in pain (he's not rubbing it at all, just looks puffy). Thing is, I just read a lot on the web from America about corneal ulcers and I am not sure that he is getting the right treatment. One article http://secure.aahanet.org/eweb/images/AAHAnet/phoenix2009proceedings/pdfs/01_scientific/091_THE%20TOP%20TEN%20OPHTHALMIC.pdf
suggests that often vets get it wrong by giving antibiotics, when the cause of the ulcer is viral herpes and antibiotics may not only be ineffective but could make it worse. I wonder if he shouldn't be on antiviral medication (not sure what that would be other than interferon?) as he has had herpes in that eye since he was a kitten and when in Cape Town he was sent to an ophthalmologist who said it could lead to ulceration if left untreated. The only effective treatment he had was with human interferon A in SA and France but which is n/a in this country and anyhow may possibly (or not) have contributed to his liver's bad reaction to torbugesic.

Trouble is that my very good vet is very bad about doing specialist referrals, but when I did nag about one to Danielle Gunn Moore back in January, she saved Swampy's life by suggesting Selgian and Istin combo. I know he can't go to see an eye specialist but I'm not sure how to ask for a referral of his notes for an opinion without causing offence or else more likely a blank refusal.

sorry for the long post. I'm just concerned as his eye ointment causes stress and stress triggers all his other health problems like his vestibular disease and bp.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on July 28, 2009, 11:23:03 AM
Then you must explain all this to the vet Kate, very good he may be but remember he is also employed by you (your choice of vet) and if you are having any worries re Swampy's eye then tell him your feelings.....Any vet worth his salt would understand!  :)

Sending positive vibes for his eye, and to your vet for that referral if ness~~~~~ :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on July 30, 2009, 13:44:26 PM
Well, he's convinced that antibiotic ointment is the way to go, but is adding in some virbagen (which will be £80 out of my pocket as the insurance won't pay for eyes, but it last ages) and says he will speak to Moorfields about anti viral meds if necessary. Apparently they do some human stuff like zovirax that you can use on animals. Doesn't like being second guessed though.
He swears that the virbagen (interferon) won't be bad for Swampy's kidneys or liver but should stay locally in the eye area. I'm so scared of doing the wrong thing.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 02, 2009, 13:12:47 PM
Since yesterday afternoon Swampy won't eat. Or he'll nibble about a square inch of food then hide his head away. I've tried pepcid and lactulose (he did poo). I just don't know what to do.
I've emailed or left 3 messages for the vet about laurabolin and vit B injection as that's all I can think of.

He's nibbled just a tiny bit of k/d and senior pate, doesn't much care for Hi Life at all (not even a teaspoon) and eaten 2 teaspoons of Applaws. He also refused any fresh chicken. I am going to stick to k/d as he normally eats it and it has the most calories if he'll only eat a scrap. He's just had his steroids so I hope that works a bit too.

Please send yet more prayers and vibes for him. It's just 1 week since this happened (although not quite as bad as this) and that time pooing helped. Not this time.
His auntie Maddiesmum saw him yesterday morning and he was doing ok, but by 4pm he was poorly, don't know why.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on August 02, 2009, 13:48:57 PM
Poor old Swampy :( sending lots of positive vibes for him and hope his appitite picks up fast,  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on August 02, 2009, 17:06:09 PM
Positive healing vibes being sent to Swampy, hope he starts to eat more soon~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug:

Hope Max and yourself are keeping well also!  ;) :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 02, 2009, 22:47:34 PM
only eaten a very little bit of Applaws earlier this evening, despite the steroids. I'm hoping so much that the laurabolin and vit B jab can help him. I'll have to do it myself (it's a sub cut one) as the vet won't visit to do just that as thinks I can.
I am so worried (yet again, but this time it feels worse).
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 03, 2009, 07:00:33 AM
Kate, sending love to you and Swampy.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 03, 2009, 21:16:03 PM
 :hug: thanks

I have to give him his laurabolin and vit B injection early tomorrow morning. Not at exactly the same time as his 100ml sub cut fluids. I have a sort of primitive view of poor little Swampy's body with all the fluid getting mixed up with the sub cut laurabolin and diluting it and stopping it working (science not my strong point!).  The vet's nurse said to leave at least 1/2 hour between the injection and his fluids. I don't know how fast laurabolin is absorbed (anyone?) but I will do that one first.

My neighbour who helped with sub cuts has moved out otherwise I'd leave a few hours but I can't as OH has to do both with me before he goes to work.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 07, 2009, 17:30:57 PM
Swampy has some new eye drops for herpes - very expensive opthalmology drops. They irritate the eye so I am supposed to hold his legs for a minute after giving them so he can't rub his eye. I told the vet that this is nuts. If it hurts him too much, he's not getting them.  >:(

I cut his fluids after the Max overhydration episode and will try to gauge from his weight and skin folds if he needs more. It may be every other day or less every day. The trouble is that getting bloods to check how he is doing is so difficult as it requires a home visit, which the vet is often too busy to do.  But as Swampy could only go in the car in an emergency, I have to try to work it out so that he doesn't get overhydrated (or underhydrated, making his kidneys so bad he needs hospital IV....not sure if we could do that).

I'm so stressed I am eating junk and buying fruit and just looking at it  :sick:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 07, 2009, 21:40:34 PM
I decided not to wait until morning for Swampy and gave him 50mls fluids because I thought his skin folds showed a bit of dehydration. I weighed him before and he was 4.5kg. After just 50mls, he weighs 4.8kgs. I am really worried and not sure how it can be so much.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on August 07, 2009, 21:59:57 PM
Very strange! I know that a pint of water weighs a pound and a quater but my brain cant handle trying to work out your .3kg?  :Crazy:  :hug: :hug:

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 08, 2009, 12:00:24 PM
he lost it again quite quickly  :Crazy: and this morning I regave 50mls as his skin was a bit tenty again. Waiting for the vet to call....I hope.

In the meantime I had a lovely long response on how much to give, from American CRF yahoo group person who is very informed. I could modify it and put in on a sticky here (is there one on giving sub cuts, sorry I am too tired to know).  It talks about fluid amounts and how to determine dehydration.
Just how I check the choc monster's gums though is quite a thought!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on August 08, 2009, 16:35:41 PM
Glad he has lost the extra fluid!  ;D There is a link in one of the Sections on here about giving sub cuts, maybe have a looky when your feeling less tired and if there is anything you could add just do a post next to it!  ;D

Can you check his gums while he is sleeping?  :sneaky:

How are you getting on with his new eye drops, does it seem sore for him to get used to?  :Luv: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 08, 2009, 22:02:11 PM
the scale we have (normal bathroom digital) just isn't up to this really. I think I'm going to have to buy one of those baby scales that can also go flat - if anyone sees a good Salter one cheap, let me know!

Swampy - acc to the scale - is still 4.8 tonight after just 50mls this morning and some meals and seems only a little bit dehydrated so we decided we will leave his fluids until tomorrow morning and give him 100mls then. The vet suggests we try to give him 100mls every other day. The americans say 100mls daily but on 110mls daily he was feeling too full to eat. Tricky.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on August 09, 2009, 02:06:40 AM
It is late so please excuse me if Ive read your post wrong!  :shy:

If UK says 100mls every other day and US says 100mls per day....would that not then be 75mls per day to work out the medium?  :-:

Do you only do his sub cuts once a day or twice normally?  :shify:

....And did you really mean 110mls a day and he would not eat as was too full?

Sorry I hate to be boggled, but I mainly boggle myself!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 09, 2009, 12:27:34 PM
Yes, I thought of about 80mls per day. Anyhow I gave 100mls today and we'll see how long before he gets dehydrated, although ideally I don't want to wait until he is dehydrated to give more.

Yes on a single daily dose of 110mls he lost his appetite mostly. I am worried that it is too much, but think 100mls every 2 days may be too little. This is the hardest thing about sub cuts, the dose.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on August 09, 2009, 23:27:41 PM
I used to give Suzie 100ml every day, does the time of day you give the fluids make any difference to his appetite? I think I used to give Suzie hers in the afternoon.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 11, 2009, 21:26:43 PM
I give him his fluids before OH goes to work so about 8.30 at the latest. First I weigh him to make sure he's at the same weight as the day before and then we do the skin test, which is not an exact science as Swampy will be 18 in mid october so his skin is quite loose too.

Swampy had 1 1/4 hour on the roof in shade and sun from 3.45 today. I take a brolley out with him now and shelter him. Sometimes it's quite funny as he moves to get away from the shade. But he looks quite the man with his slave holding a brolly for him, bless him.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on August 11, 2009, 22:36:16 PM
Im glad Swampy is managing to enjoy some sunshine ;D i would love to see a picture of his slave with the umbrella :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 12, 2009, 06:49:07 AM
 :Luv: :hug: :hug:  Morning respeck' to Swampy and Swampy's umbrella slave.....
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 12, 2009, 10:20:29 AM
 :hug: :hug:

He's got a new IFAW one to try later today if the sun comes out properly :)  I can try to take a photo of him, without his slave though. Can't be frightening you good people.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 12, 2009, 18:07:06 PM
 :evillaugh:  We is nawt so frite-unned.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on August 12, 2009, 22:46:10 PM
Glad things are going good for Swampy Kate, lots of sun vibes being sent for his love of the balcony!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 13, 2009, 09:44:57 AM
sun vibes not arrived, please keep them coming!  It makes me so happy too to see him enjoying himself. I swear the bit he finds most enjoyable is his mum holding him and going in and out that flipping window and he can't even see how ridiculous it looks!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on August 13, 2009, 20:19:49 PM
More sun vibes being sent.... Mummy not ridiculous, just a practising "cat" burglar!  :evillaugh:

Best of wishes to you all!  :Luv:  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 17, 2009, 10:22:18 AM
one question. Swampy is deaf, blind and has a bit of dementia and neuro problems. I don't know if I should let him sniff Max after we have said goodbye or if it will tip him over the edge. If he doesn't though he may worry constantly about where Max is.  Although they've not really been sat together more than once in the last week, I think he still knows Max is around.
I don't know what to do to protect Swampy and so I don't lose him immediately too.
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Post by: Dawn F on August 17, 2009, 10:27:12 AM
maybe speak to your vet, I have heard that it is a good thing to let them sniff but if he has dementia I don't know if it will make a difference - when we lost Algie to a rta the others saw him (we thought he was sleeping, he looked so perfect and had managed to get back into the garden) but Tilly still called for him to chase her for several days afterwards (she used to hide in a bush and call to him and he would run after her)    I'm sorry you are having such a horrible day
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Post by: Bazsmum on August 18, 2009, 03:29:50 AM
Thinking of you all and sending positive, healing vibes~~~~~~ Swampy's reaction may not have been as you had hoped, but he did not get distraught and Im sure he new.....  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 18, 2009, 18:07:34 PM
I don't know. He is happy enough today but is off his food. Only nibbling or licking with not much being vacuumed up. It could be he feels full as he is well hydrated. But I can't underhydrate him to get him to eat. Not easy.
I don't think he has realised about Max yet.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on August 18, 2009, 18:15:28 PM
Not easy at all!  :Crazy:

You may be right he may not of noticed as yet as they wer'nt spending as much time together of late.... Do try and remember though that with his dementia thoughts/memories will pop out of his head as quickly as they come in.... Im sure the extra time with him will help you both through this!  ;)

Thinking of you all Kate, I hope today was a peaceful day for you and your OH... I know this is very, very early on and your wounds are at present deep.... The wounds do heal over Kate.... Your memories will last forever!  :care: :grouphug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 19, 2009, 13:03:18 PM
We weighed Swampy this morning before his fluids and he has suddenly lost 200g in weight, since the weekend and is down to 4.3kgs.  He's not been eating well since sunday and his steroids yesterday didn't help his appetite either. Last night he got up to pee but for the first time he showed no interest in food. He is behaving normally, or in fact, he is so sweet that it's unbelievable, even let me turn him on his back and kiss his bald tum which he's not done since going blind. But he just licks half heartedly at food, even Applaws isn't interesting. I have booked the vet to take his blood on monday but I am so scared. After losing Max, I am so terrified that he will go quickly. I couldn't bear it.

His weight was stable all last week at 4.5 kgs.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 20, 2009, 09:37:58 AM
Swampy's still only eating a few tiny nibbles. The vet says he can't come until monday to see him and that we should consider a drip in hospital if the steroids don't pick him up and the antibiotics for his nose. I just don't know how my little deaf/blind boy would cope in hospital. At home I hold his plate for him to eat and it would all be so stressful.  He has home vet visits to avoid the stress.  A drip may help but there's no guarantee it would help as we aren't sure what is causing the problem, which is so sudden. I asked about his mouth being sore and he says Swampy would still eat. I wish we could rig up a drip at home.

The vet goes on about how Swampy is old and has renal and herpes issues so a sudden deterioration can be expected. But although he's only eating a tiny bit and has lost 200g, Swampy's mood is good (he is not depressed so don't think it's caused by his missing Max), his coat is good and he's not drinking tons or peeing a lot either. The vet says we must prepare ourselves for a possible double loss of our boys in quick succession. I don't think I can bear it.
I love Swampy more than my own life and would swim the world's oceans if it would help him.

Please please send your prayers and vibes that he starts eating better and rallies again to be how he was just last week.
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Post by: Dawn F on August 20, 2009, 09:45:01 AM
I imagine the vet is just trying to prepare you for the worst, doesn't mean it will happen
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Post by: Bazsmum on August 20, 2009, 13:34:35 PM
Sometime peeps in professions can be so heartless without realising how you are affected by their words....  :hug:

Im sending positive, healing vibes to Swampy and you all~~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 20, 2009, 13:49:31 PM
Vet is too busy to come until monday and tomorrow has ops or consults all day so if Swampy was put in hospital, he'd just sit there unsupervised.  So I asked if we could rig up a home drip and maybe we can, if Swampy still won't eat by later today.
Our thinking is that if he has bloods and they show his kidneys have failed, then putting him in hospital won't help.  I tend to think it is a cold that he has caught on top of his normal snuffling. That may be able to get better.

Anyhow please send all the vibes around as for the first time since his accident last September, Swampy has to go to the vet in a car in order to be seen. He is going down at 5.30 or whatever turns out to be the last appointment of the day today. I am terrified.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on August 20, 2009, 13:52:56 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on August 20, 2009, 13:54:13 PM
Loads of healing vibes to Swampy and calming vibes for the car journey.
Hope everything goes wel for him  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 20, 2009, 18:47:33 PM
Kate, hoping all went smothly with the car journey, and sending much love to you and darling Swampy.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 20, 2009, 18:52:20 PM
OH came home, we put him in his big wire carrier and it went smoothly. He allowed blood to be taken too. He was hyper when he got home but then I managed to get a little plate of k/d (tablespoon) down him which is good. The vet thinks though that his cold will just get worse now, with his kidneys and age. Also his ulcer isn't better as he thought it was when he looked with a torch on monday. So we have to give him some anti viral eye drops which are going to irritate the eye but they 'may' help both the ulcer and his nose.

He has to stay on daily steroids again now to see if it keeps him eating, as low a dose as I can get to work, and at least 2 antibiotics a day for 10 days. But the vet said his heart sounds not bad and his coat is good. I'm going to put my head down in the bed with him now as he is a bit jumpy with the little adventure! At least it's only 5 mins down the road.

thanks for the good wishes for him and his horrible car journey.  :hug:

btw vet said Swampy's teeth are truly horrible and that isn't helping - so he also needs the antibiotics for that. He thinks he is one of the rare (his words) cats who chews his food and doesn't just vacuum it down. So he'll have to eat soft pate type stinky stuff from now on.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 20, 2009, 20:43:01 PM
 :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Maddiesmum on August 21, 2009, 08:50:00 AM
Could you put plaque off on his food Kate to help with the teeth maybe?
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Post by: Leanne on August 21, 2009, 08:57:15 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: lots of vibes for you
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Post by: Bazsmum on August 21, 2009, 10:01:37 AM
Glad everything went well for Swampy with ref to the journey and visit! Im also glad that he has had a little something to eat.... Keep up the brilliant work for your Mummy and daddy and most of all yourself!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on August 21, 2009, 14:14:44 PM
Could you put plaque off on his food Kate to help with the teeth maybe?

they are so horrible that he really needs a dental but we don't think he would survive it.  If it gets so that he can't eat, I am going to ask if he could have some type of mini dental done under valium sedation as he had a big dose of that last september and he was fine on it (Ok that was a year ago but....). The antibiotics are supposed to help with his mouth too as they are broad spectrum. He was booked in for a dental 3 years ago but then had liver disease and couldn't have an op then either. Vet says it's a great pity that he actually chews food, much better to vacuum it like most cats.

He had an hour in the sun today but is very dozy. I took him a hand held plate of k/d at 5am and he ate it, but he wasn't going to get up to look for any. Sleepy little man. Some of it is age, some his anaemia, some his cold but we think it is also the meds that help his vestibular disease that make him very calm. At the vets they prepared for the worst when taking his blood (he's been known to snap needles off and have to come back another day in the past!) but he just raised his chin and let them take a syringe full.

I'm waiting for the results, either tonight or monday.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on August 21, 2009, 14:17:46 PM
Positive vibes for Swampy's blood results Kate!  :wish: :hug: :hug:

Im glad he has ate, Im sure his sleepiness is a mix of all those things....  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on August 21, 2009, 14:21:34 PM
poor Swampy - hope he manages to keep on eating, glad he got some sunshine this afternoon!
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 21, 2009, 19:47:36 PM
Just got his blood results back. Creatinine 333, urea 17.9, white cells up (from his cold), a bit more anaemic, liver ok, phosphorus 1.75 so normal, albumin 25.4.  I am to continue on 100mls a day sub cuts and to try to take him on the roof when possible as he needs some stimulation - which we do already of course.

If he's really snotty, we may try bisolvon next week but the vet thinks Olbas is ok and also menthol crystals as long as the solution is weak and not too close to his nose. The only good news is that the expensive anti viral eye drops don't irritate him at all so we can give them 4x a day and they may help his herpes in general.

He ate a little bit this afternoon and has had about 1/2 can k/d today which is a lot better than he was doing the last 2 days. Long may it continue. Thanks to everyone for reading  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on August 22, 2009, 15:57:57 PM
Just caught up with this again Kate, sending lots of sunshine your way for Swampy to enjoy :Luv: and tons of positive vibes for him and hugs for you and OH :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on August 22, 2009, 21:32:07 PM
Eucalyptus oil in a burner is good too!  ;)

Glad he is eating, enjoying some sunshine on the balcony and giving you and him some good quality time together... definitely long may it continue!  ;) :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 24, 2009, 12:40:22 PM
silly mum took Swampy out for 1 1/2 hours, then when I brought him in (Ok he was under his IFAW brolly but still) he was a bit groggy and his legs went a bit whoops sideways. But he seems better after a plate of Hi Life and a cuddle.
I cut his bp meds a tiny bit yesterday and last night he was a bit more active, arriving in the kitchen at one point to pee in Max's tray (which I've still not been able to move). And looking for food. The trouble is, lower meds mean he may get agitated, but 1/4 Istin means he gets a bit too sedated. It's really tricky to get it exactly right. The antibiotics seem to have helped though although I know soon they will make his head spin, then he'll have to come off them for a while. He's still snorty and blocked nose, but seems to be coping better with it. Hasn't put on any of the weight he lost though, although has been eating better for a few days.

I'm looking for ideas to stimulate the brain of the Most Loved Elderly One when we can't get outside. August's been really good but it won't last. Any ideas?
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Post by: Bazsmum on August 24, 2009, 13:42:53 PM
Glad he is still eating Kate and the drop in the BP meds have made him more alert!  :Luv: :hug:

With ref to stimulating him when the weather turns... Could you not bring a bit of the outside in to him (if you know what I mean) bring some of the plants inside, get a little breeze going with a fan etc.... As touch and smell will be his strong points!  :Luv: :hug:

I would also leave Max's litter tray where it is as that just may confuse him!  ;) :hug: :hug:

Keep up the good work... Thinking of you both and will have a special thought going out at 3pm today!  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 25, 2009, 23:55:33 PM
Swampy's eye isn't good. It's got all red inside, inflamed and hard to open. I don't know if it's the expensive Moorfields' anti viral drop that has inflamed it or the drop in the no of times giving him antibiotic ointment. We just gave antibiotic ointment tonight, not the other one but it was hard to get his eye open to do it.
With a long weekend coming, poor little guy may need another vet visit although the vet will probably not like the idea that the fancy drops have caused a problem. I just hope we can sort it out as although his ulcer was still there, his eye generally was looking not too bad.

If it's herpes caused (he's had herpes all his life since cat flu twice as a kitten) then the anti viral drops were supposed to cure the ulcer. It's so difficult to know what to do. He's just got it shut, not rubbing it or anything but we noticed a discharge in the last 2 days and the inflammation is new as well.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 26, 2009, 06:52:15 AM
Very good idea Bazsmum.  Poor little Swamper.  His eye must be very uncomfortable.  I think whether or not your vet's too chuffed Kate, if you want to tackle him about it, then he should be prepared to consider it as a possibility.  Sending hugs for you and Swampy.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 26, 2009, 08:21:20 AM
Yes I'm wondering how best to try to fool him and may try today as it looks not too good around here.  The issue is how to create the warmth as that's what makes him relax. Can you still get those old fashioned 2 bar heaters as that's all I can think of that would radiate a bit of instant heat for him.

I'm hoping too to speak to the vet later about his eye.

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Post by: Bazsmum on August 26, 2009, 11:01:39 AM
Sorry to hear his eye is no better (sounds worse) with the new expensive drops... Could you not ring the vet as most would prob say to stop using as they sound more bad than good?  ;) :hug:

What about one of those facial solarium's, obviously not straight on top of him... far enough away as not to harm him?  ;) :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kay and Penny on August 26, 2009, 11:12:44 AM
one of those cheap halogen heaters would give off warmth, and if he has any residual sight they glow beautifully - and go off if they are tipped over, so are very safe

and they're sold everywhere
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 26, 2009, 12:48:15 PM
what about no 16 on this list? We'd have to wall mount it outside, somewhere where it could be easily removed if spotted by nasty neighbour and it looks like it could be used indoors too, so we could make a section of the bedroom with his towel and maybe a fan and this and see if it fools him. He may be old and have a bit of dementia, but fooling him isn't easy!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=halogen+heater&tag=googhydr-21&index=garden&hvadid=2823128426&ref=pd_sl_7hbu0l8p6a_b

I assume any of the other indoor ones would give off some heat - maybe to 1m away? I can't put him too close but if it's not warm and cozy he will just wonder where he is and start wandering off.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on August 26, 2009, 13:15:00 PM
Halogen heaters give off loads of heat  and I have one a bit like 5 or 6 and think thats what trigger was recommending. Mine  has a remote and turns from side to side and you can have any number of bars on and will also go off if knocked.

The back of them reflects the heat outwards, you use them indoors and I think that an outside wall mounted one is more like a light and thats not the right type.


Have to say mine was far cheaper than any of those amazon ones and the big stores, even tescoes will sell them in another month or so.
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Post by: Kay and Penny on August 26, 2009, 14:28:57 PM
if you search under halogen heater on E-Bay you will find indoor and outdoor ones, Kate

indoor one costs £16.99 inc postage

my cats love to lie in front of them, and they are relatively cheap to run
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 26, 2009, 14:59:58 PM
thanks, will have a good look and get one big enough for Swampy and his mum  ;)

Vet says to stop his anti viral drops for the moment as they have irritated his eye, which they can do. Hopefully they have killed off some of the herpes but we may have to restart them again in a week or so. So we are back to fighting with him to get enough antibiotic ointment into his eye (he's always hated it as since kittenhood has had eye drops almost every day and has learnt to object!).
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on August 26, 2009, 23:31:10 PM
my cats love to lie in front of them, and they are relatively cheap to run

Oh yes, I can vouch for halogen heaters, in my house its a case of how many cats can you get in front of the heater LOL! It just seems to attract them, no matter where it is. In the pic, I'd taken it upstairs to put in my workroom - the cats were all downstairs, it only took a few minutes for them all to appear  :evillaugh:

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb234/scruffyjoe/firesidecats2.jpg)
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Post by: Bazsmum on August 26, 2009, 23:35:33 PM
Oh gosh I never thought of them!  :-[

Beauty idea Trigger!  :hug:

Gillian just look at them cats.... not spoilt one bit!  :innocent: :Luv: :hug:

If you can get to a town shopping centre Kate, they should be a bit cheaper there!  ;) :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on August 27, 2009, 02:08:06 AM
They used to sell them in Wilkinsons -i got mine from there -it was around £10-12 .
I use mine in the bedroom in winter -also Winson sleeps upstairs a lot (with FiFi ;) ) and they love to lie in front of it too.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 27, 2009, 14:16:07 PM
that's hilarious, Gillian thanks for cheering me up. Swampy's not feeling so good today, he's coming off the abx to see if that helps.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on August 27, 2009, 14:21:09 PM
Swampy's not feeling so good today, he's coming off the abx to see if that helps.

 :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on August 27, 2009, 15:04:58 PM
Hope stopping the abs helps Swampy perk up! Sending healing positive vibes his and your way~~~~~ :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 27, 2009, 17:53:12 PM
thanks  :hug: :hug: he did a dark poo so am stressing about that too, as for 2 hours afterwards he lay in that horrible uncomfy on his tum position with his head straight down. Now he seems more comfy. I rang the vet who said to keep an eye on him and if it happens again to call. I'm going to give him zantac when he wakes up too, if I can cut it small enough.

Gillian, that heater (they are unsurprisingly out of stock most places until september) is it 1200W? What sort of heat distance does it reach - I would want to put Swampy more than 1 metre away and still have him bathe in the warmth (the theory: he'll probably know straight away it's not the sun). Thanks
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on August 27, 2009, 22:15:35 PM
Gillian, that heater (they are unsurprisingly out of stock most places until september) is it 1200W? What sort of heat distance does it reach - I would want to put Swampy more than 1 metre away and still have him bathe in the warmth (the theory: he'll probably know straight away it's not the sun). Thanks

Yes its 1200w, this is the exact model I've got, looks like its unavailable though, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Igenix-1200W-Halogen-Heater-Remote/dp/B0000ERUQO . I would say even 1 mtre away Swamps would get full benefit, especially if it was on full (there's 3 settings).
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 27, 2009, 22:25:51 PM
I sent the vet your photo to give him an idea about them! And ask if they are safe for Swampy, with his brain issues. The light is extremely bright.  thanks for all the info  :hug:

Swampy is still not right with his tum today. The vet says to monitor his poos as it's possible that his nitrogen wastes may be causing some blood in his poo. I was hoping it was just the iron he takes that made them dark today (they weren't yesterday) but the way he lay for quite a bit of today suggests his tum may be a bit sore or uncomfy.  He has eaten though and his tummy doesn't feel too hard.
I'm desperate for no problems over the long weekend.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 28, 2009, 11:13:44 AM
I'm taking Swampy down to the vet again to be checked over. He's walking better today off the abx so I hope that it doesn't backfire on me. We are going by minicab so that I can stroke him on the way down.
Please wish us luck, with the trip and its effects and for the outcome.  :thanks:
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Post by: Bazsmum on August 28, 2009, 13:12:53 PM
Sending positive healing vibes for darling Swampy's vet visit~~~~hope all turns out okay!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on August 28, 2009, 13:31:55 PM
Lots of vibes coming your way  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 28, 2009, 14:55:12 PM
We went in the car in the end as they changed the appointment time a couple of times. He didn't enjoy it and got really hyper coming back so all the progress overnight for him to be calmer and walk fine has had a set back.  Anyhow he has to go on to abx again as soon as he's feeling a bit better, hopefully in 2 - 3 days time as both his teeth and his cold are not good.  The vet thinks his large intestine is probably inflamed from his urea etc so he's got to have lactulose 2 or 3 x daily in a small dose. And zantac at night. He got a good exam anyhow; vet says he's holding up well despite all his old cat problems.  He's been very 'senior' and miaowy today too, was very grumpy because I changed his bedding for a less sordid one.

hope tomorrow's better for him. Some sunshine and less wind would be just the ticket for a nice long relaxing roof snooze. I'm not taking him out today as it's really windy and changeable and I think he's had enough excitement.

Btw vet okayed the halogen heater but I can't find anyone with any stock except that seller on ebay who I'm a bit wary of as his ad is riddled with howling spelling mistakes (call me fussy but puts me off).
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Post by: Feline Costumier on August 28, 2009, 21:50:34 PM
Argos have one, it's not the cheapest but at least they have it http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/4150200/c_1/1%7Ccat_14417894%7CHeaters+and+radiators%7C14417957/Trail/searchtext%3EHEAT.htm
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 29, 2009, 10:29:48 AM
 :thanks:
if the temp on my bike this morning is anything to go by, if I wait a couple of weeks the shops will be full of them! Autumn is here  >:(  I saw the sun and thought I'd take my lovely old fluffyman out the window, only to realise I'll have to wait an hour or 2 or he won't enjoy it.
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Post by: Bazsmum on August 29, 2009, 10:50:59 AM
Do you use Freecycle Kate? I know I have given one of those heaters away in the past so you never know your luck! Just a thought as the shops must be still hoping for a summer!  :tired: ;) :hug: :hug:

Big head rubs for darling Swampy!  :ahh:
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Post by: Feline Costumier on August 29, 2009, 11:21:45 AM
Someone on another forum I use (an emigrate one) was asking about lamps like they use for reptiles and snakes as a possibility for simulating the sun and warmth a bit. Maybe that's also an option.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on August 29, 2009, 21:12:03 PM
thanks very much.  Last winter Mark helped me look into the reptile type heaters, then the vet decided that the heat or light was too intense at the time. They also have to be put up very close to the reptile (or cat). I'm assuming that a cat can be up to about 1 1/2 metres away and still feel the warmth?

Swampy got up a while ago and we tried everything that he could want - nothing - he was just feeling the need for love and reassurance.  I have been missing Max so much tonight too, maybe he was missing his little friend.
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Post by: Bazsmum on August 29, 2009, 21:20:08 PM
 :care: :ahh: :grouphug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on August 30, 2009, 09:32:30 AM
Yep, I think Autumn is here too Kate.  My sister has one of those heaters, and the dog and her two cats take up residence so close to it it's a wonder you can't smell singeing fur!  :evillaugh:

Sending hugs for you and Swampy.   :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on August 31, 2009, 19:18:24 PM
Thinking of you both and hoping that you have all had a good Bank Hol!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 01, 2009, 18:17:28 PM
Swampy's had a lovely time on the roof in the sun and I found (OH did a clear out!) an old lounger cushion so he's comfier than ever.  However he's been a bit senior lately, but at least quite cheerful and purry.
I have to put him back on antibiotics though which is a worry as he is doing all right but the vet thinks it's best.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 01, 2009, 20:31:13 PM
Im glad a good time has been had by all, just hope the abs will affect him differently this time round!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 02, 2009, 07:04:50 AM
Dropping by with a gentle hug to start the day for you and Swampy  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 03, 2009, 13:30:17 PM
Swampy had a good day yesterday and helped me no end as I wasn't too well.  He even left his own warm bed to come and sit with me on the futon for over 2 hours.  I am trying to keep calm and not get superstitious about anything, but tomorrow will be 1 year since his awful accident.
I am overwhelmed by the wonderful support Swampy and I have had on Purrs for so long and also I am so happy to report that all the nursing at uncivilised hours of the night and internet research and vet nagging etc have been so well worth it.
He is old, he is ill, he has umpteen health problems and medications, but he is still my Swampa and a fluffy, purry cuddle monster.
He sends big dark ch-o-c-y purrs to everyone and everyone's furbabes.

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Post by: Dawn F on September 03, 2009, 13:32:24 PM
poor Swampy, I can't believe it has been a year already - don't know how you have managed for so long  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on September 03, 2009, 14:15:03 PM
Wow and what a year its been for you both, and Swampy defying all odds too.

Loads of vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: for you both
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 03, 2009, 17:16:57 PM
Wow and what a year its been for you both, and Swampy defying all odds too.

Loads of vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug: for you both

Seconded! Much love and kitty kisses coming his way!  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on September 03, 2009, 20:04:07 PM
It took me a while to find this topic and go through it to find out what had happened to Swampy but i have since followed his progress, all the ups and downs  and its all down to you Kate, so much love and dedication against all the odds :wow: long may you and he continue with this very very special relationship :Luv2: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 03, 2009, 23:49:20 PM
I thought quite a few times before posting as yesterday and this morning he was doing so well. Tonight he won't eat though but is cheerful. I hope it's just because he's had lactulose with no 'result' as yet.
Yes, it is also mostly down to Swampy and his strong will to live and to interact and love with his mum and dad and Max. And also when we nearly ended it in January, the vet in Edinburgh who put him on the experimental drug regime which has worked so far, so well. I'm going to write to her to thank her so much.
It's not hard at all nursing Swampy but a bit tiring getting up every night at my age! But he is a lovely patient.  :hug: xxxx :hug: to everyone.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 04, 2009, 00:00:50 AM
Hope he has a good day tomorrow  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 04, 2009, 01:31:51 AM
Aw what a total sweetie he is!  :Luv2:

Probably is just a case of waiting for the stuff to get through his system, he prob feels abit full!

Hope you all have a great day tomorrow!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 04, 2009, 09:17:46 AM
still no poo, still not wanting to do more than a nibble. He's behaving very sweetly but quite senior, with bed digging and so on. I've asked the vet to call as he also needs his laurabolin which I hope will help too.
shouldn't have said anything should I, but wed was such a good day.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 04, 2009, 22:32:27 PM
You cant blame yourself Kate!  :hug:

Hope the steroid helps him out and sending him strong pooping vibes~~~~~Thinking of you all!  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 06, 2009, 16:03:00 PM
We did get a decent offering left in the tray on Friday night and he then ate better - only to vomit from his post nasal drip yesterday afternoon and since then I can't get him to eat very much at all. So we are back to square one. I was hoping the laurabolin given on Friday night would help and the 2 antibiotics, but not yet.

He did something unusual this morning -he came and sat with me on the futon and I picked him up and for a couple of hours he went to sleep in my arms.   Quite wonderful but not something he would normally do.  Then today though the sun did come out so as it's not too hot, he had a full 2 hours on the roof so enjoyed that.

He is definitely weaker though and more tired. I have to remind him to get up sometimes.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 06, 2009, 17:16:13 PM
Aw bless him, Im glad that he is enjoying some time on the futon and on the balcony.... Hope the meds start kicking in soon so that he can get some food inside.... Thinking of you all!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 06, 2009, 20:18:42 PM
yes please send eating vibes as he just won't eat more than a nibble. He's doing an awful lot of sleeping too.
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Post by: bonnielass on September 06, 2009, 20:34:30 PM
Tons of eating vibes coming for Swampy and hope he gets somemore sunshine too  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 07, 2009, 09:33:16 AM
He's a bit more active because I downed his bp meds a little bit, but he still won't eat more than a square inch or two of food which is a big worry. I don't know if it's his mouth or teeth, his cold (his nose is runny) or his tum. I just wish he'd eat. I'm trying all sort of pate, soft foods but so far he eats just a little then the paw comes out and he turns away.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 07, 2009, 11:03:51 AM
Sending tons of eating vibes for darling Swampy~~~~~C'mon little man you needs your food!  :wish: :grouphug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 07, 2009, 17:24:00 PM
He ate a little plate of RC renal blended chicken food but I don't know how much he really got in calories and nutrients as it's quite watered down of course.  Little one is so old and slow at the moment. I don't know if it's part of an infection or if this is how he is going to be now. He's so sweet and loving but so very old, it just breaks my heart.
He's taken to coming to the futon to sit there; perhaps he knows there's company there. I must go and give him just that.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 07, 2009, 17:35:28 PM
I think he is trying to tell you something  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 07, 2009, 18:35:07 PM
Actually I think he is missing Max. As time goes on and the weather's cooler, I think he's noticing that he is by himself all the time now in his bed. I've put a red blanket that has Max's hair on it behind his bed but not sure if that helps or hinders.
He will just get all the love he wants and needs right now.

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Post by: Kay and Penny on September 07, 2009, 19:22:22 PM
as he's a bit senior now he probably knows something is different, but maybe not what that something is

given all his problems it sounds to me as if he is doing pretty well, on the whole :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 08, 2009, 01:08:45 AM
Aw! Bless him, we can never quite imagine what a cat pal must go through....You have each other to comfort though Kate and that Im sure he is making the most of!  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 08, 2009, 09:28:59 AM
 :thanks: :hug:

refusing to eat anything except the blended RC renal chicken. He just has to lick it up and he had a little plate this morning. I think maybe his mouth is sore but the antibiotics should help, although today is day 5 of them. Of course I'm stressing terribly.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 08, 2009, 10:25:30 AM
just realised bad mother has been giving food that is 2 months out of date (the renal RC pouch). Stored under the bed for a rainy day, marked "nice food". They told me to chuck it. I have another lot exp in a few days time that I'm sure should be fine.

The problem is it has so many fewer cals than a can of k/d. 138 cals in a pouch (and being blended I'm losing some on the blender) as opposed to about 180 in a can. But if it's all he'll eat then it just has to be.
He doesn't do much so I suppose doesn't need much more than 100 cals in a day (?). He can't have more than he'll eat unless I assist feed and I don't want to do that.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 08, 2009, 11:39:34 AM
Just googled and found this!  ;) :hug:

A cat needs the nutritional equivalent to 7-10 mice per day. This translates to 20 - 30 calories per pound per day. (some say 15-25 cal/pound).


Calories in canned cat food  www.geocities.com/jmpeerson/canfood.html
Calories in dry cat food        www.geocities.com/jmpeerson/dryfood.html

I would also say there should be some leeway depending on age, ability etc!  :hug:

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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 08, 2009, 16:31:19 PM
The vet came to do his bp and bloods today at lunchtime and since then, Swampy is so much worse.  He refuses to eat anything and is lying in his bed, won't even purr. He got very stressed when the vet was here but I am extremely upset and anxious. I've not seen him like this before.
He was out on the roof and happy enough there, but he is clearly very unwell. Please send him your prayers or vibes that he can pick up again as he's done before.
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Post by: Dawn F on September 08, 2009, 16:33:04 PM
I'm sorry he seems to be going downhill Kate  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 08, 2009, 18:15:27 PM
Im sure its down to the vet and really hope that he perks up again....Thinkoing of you all!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 08, 2009, 18:19:12 PM
Am sending so much love your way Kate, and for Swampy too. 
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 08, 2009, 22:14:22 PM
I hope he perks up again Kate, sending positive vibes  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 08, 2009, 22:52:21 PM
Hope Swampy perks up again tonight - it may have just been the vet visit upset him.
Lots of healing and get better vibes to the choclit boy  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on September 09, 2009, 08:51:52 AM
Lots of vibes for the swampster and for you  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 09, 2009, 09:38:01 AM
He's poorly and doing some very senior things. He's eaten a very little bit of food overnight and this morning. His blood results should be back tonight. He's had his fluids this morning and I'm going to spend the day with him, just trying to keep him happy. This is so very hard.
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Post by: JackSpratt on September 09, 2009, 09:52:30 AM
Kate, do you feel he's letting go? It is hard, most of us on here have lost one of our furry family members at some time and none of us ever really get over it. Spend the day with him, most definitely and look after yourself. :care:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 09, 2009, 21:56:53 PM
Kate's internet is out of action, at least until tomorrow.  I spoke to her a while ago on the phone.  Swampy is not good but his bloods have come back and they have not really deteriorated to any extent.  If Kate is not back online tomorrow I will try to update for her.  Positive vibes needed for our little Swampy man:)
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Post by: sarasara on September 09, 2009, 22:16:57 PM
You've both been through so much and I read about his awful accident at the beginning of the thread. I can only wish you well and say a little prayer for you both. I suffered long cat ilnesses and it is heartbreaking but also heartmaking as the love continues to well-up all the way. Kisses to little Swampy and hugs to you. In my experience vets add hugely to the stress of an ill cat. I hope all goes as well as possible for you. :catlove2:
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Post by: bonnielass on September 09, 2009, 22:38:30 PM
MM tell kae im thinking of her and sending tons of positive vibes for Swampy and hope its just the vets that have upset him, and im sending lots of sunshine for the next week so he can go out and bask in it,  :hug: :hug:i
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 10, 2009, 00:44:50 AM
Sorry Kate's internet is down at present.... Please give her my best wishes and let her know that I am sending tons of positive vibes out to her and Swampy~~~~Hope he picks up soon!  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 10, 2009, 00:46:28 AM
Sorry Swampys mum has internet problems -will still be looking for his updates - hope he is feeling better and we send loads of healing and eating vibes for Swampy. :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 10, 2009, 07:01:05 AM
Sending much love to Kate and to Swampy.
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 10, 2009, 08:36:45 AM
Have just been texting with Kate.  There is no change in Swampy, he is still not eating and he is off to the vet this afternoon to see what can be done.  He needs all our positive vibes to help him, he is such a brave little cat:)
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Post by: Leanne on September 10, 2009, 08:42:07 AM
Sending tons of positive vibes for Swampy and Kate  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 10, 2009, 09:41:31 AM
My connection is back up but not sure for how long as BT have messed the line up the ISP thinks. I will text MM if it goes again.

Swampy is not unhappy but is making a blocked nose noise when he breathes like a metallic purr. His weight isn't down at all despite his not eating, so that is a worry as it should be. I am taking him in at 3.30 today.  The vet did a home visit on tuesday but things have changed since then.
Later this morning I hope it's warm enough and there's some sun for Swampy on the roof. He does love that.  Please keep the vibes and prayers coming for him as he is poorly. He only ate about 2 inches of a/d off the plate so I gave him some on his tongue with my finger, then he cheered up a bit.  OH is coming too, which can help the vet to concentrate better. I think he thinks there's nothing he can do for Swampy and I'm sure that there is. He is not yet giving me the same vibe as Max when Max was near the end.


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Post by: Bazsmum on September 10, 2009, 13:02:49 PM
Tons of positive healing vibes coming Swampy's direction.... I do hope the vet visit is a stress free one and that they can give him something to help him out~~~~~Am thinking of you all!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 10, 2009, 14:43:10 PM
Took Swampy out for over 2 hours and he had a nice sleep in the sunshine.  But when we came in, I tried to get him to eat. He ate about an inch of hi life and sardines in tomato, then abruptly stopped and backed away with his head down.
I wonder if he would start eating at all if it was just nausea or if he is in pain from his mouth so as soon as he has to chew, he can't eat. I am going to ask for painkiller. Bonjela was a stupid idea imho of the vet. Ok so one of his patients tolerates it, but it's a horrible taste.
I think it's a combo of his nasal drip causing nausea and his sore mouth that has caused the deterioration.

Swampy got sung all his old songs (to his lovely tufty little deaf head) on the roof and a big cuddle. When he was asleep, I cried my eyes out.
I hope the vet visit isn't a mistake. 

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Post by: Bazsmum on September 10, 2009, 15:49:19 PM
Hope everything went okay with the visit Kate.... So glad he got his time out on the balcony.....  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 10, 2009, 17:52:15 PM
He wouldn't lie on his side, so no X ray. He's gained weight despite not eating, so I'm nervous about fluid retention (steroids cause it but he's getting sub cuts too). The vet has switched him to Baytril antibiotic as it's meant to be better for respiratory problems. He also has bisolvon which I've got to work out how to give him for a few days.   For pain relief, the vet will have to find out from Prof Gunn Moore about what is ok with selgian but steroids are increased now in case it makes a difference.
Swampy ate when he got home but only a very little. I don't like the idea of assist feeding him a/d but think I will have to or he will go downhill even faster.

The vet said he can see our problem: the bloods are the same as July, the vestibular disease (thought uncontrollable) has been largely under control for months - let's see if  Baytril makes that worse - his weight is stable, coat is good,  mood old but essentially the same. Just he won't eat.
He wondered if it could be dementia related as he checked his teeth and said there's a lot of tartar but no obvious rotten tooth that is causing bad pain. I told him Swampy starts eating, then stops suddenly and hides his head.  I'm a nervous wreck from trying to get it all right and do the right thing.
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Post by: Sanchi on September 10, 2009, 18:37:37 PM
Just read all 55 pages with my heart in my mouth!!

Sending lots of positive vibes to your little one and some healing reiki vibes too... :cat rub:

My boys are sending purrs for you also.  :hug: :hug: :Luv:



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Post by: Bazsmum on September 10, 2009, 20:37:05 PM
Hope the change in meds will help him out!  :crossed: :grouphug: :ahh:
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Post by: Leanne on September 11, 2009, 08:41:54 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: come on swampster
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 11, 2009, 10:49:44 AM
He is being unbelievably sweet.  He is now eating a little on his own but not enough, so we have to assist feed him a bit.  Neither of us enjoys it (or all 3 as it takes 2 of us) but it does make him feel better.
Only thing is too much water in the a/d makes him vomit because of his nasal drip muck he has swallowed, so I put less in the a/d this morning. I'm so thankful I squirrelled away (OH said I am mad at the time) some of the old formula i/d as that is what he will eat on his own and perhaps a little hi life chicken pate.

He has pooed better today so something must have gone in! The sun's out so I hope the roof will be warm and sunny for him for at least 2 hours.  I gave only 60mls sub cuts today as he is still the same weight despite his poor eating so thought it may be fluid retention.

Does anyone know how long food has to be in the tum before at least most of it is absorbed? My heart is in my mouth every time he drinks.  Plus I have to give him 1/20th of a bisolvon packet sometime today - that's going to be fun to divvy up - which I'm sure may make him sick as it dissolves mucus.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 11, 2009, 14:03:31 PM
What a little love he is!  :Luv2:

Glad you are managing to get some food inside him, argh! but to then have to think about amount of fluid vs sub cut vs vommiting....Mare!  :Crazy:

Glad he has had a good poop too!  :wow:

I dont know why 2 hrs is popping into my head for digestion? Dont take my word for it though!  ;)

Thinking of you all!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 12, 2009, 17:42:48 PM
hi, the vet thinks in 90 mins some or most of a meal should be absorbed. Swampy didn't eat much by himself today - about 1/2 of a small 85g can of old i/d. So will have to help him with a syringe feed later. I hope he will eat more by himself tomorrow as it is a steroid day. Yesterday morning early we syringe fed him and he ate by himself the rest of the day and felt better.

However today was lovely here and all in all he had a bit more than 4 hours in the sun, which he found very relaxing. I took some photos and here's one that I love. I'm worried though as the weather is changing and looks lousy for the next few days.

(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/P1000848.jpg)
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 12, 2009, 18:06:28 PM
Kate, that's a brilliant photo.   :hug:  What a handsome lil' man.   :Luv:
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Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on September 12, 2009, 18:26:37 PM
What a beautiful boy xxx
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Post by: bunglycat on September 12, 2009, 18:55:04 PM
What a fabulous photo of such a Handsome Brave boy :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 12, 2009, 21:36:38 PM
Thats a lovely pic of handsome Swampy lapping some sun up, hope the weather at your end stays nice for a while longer!  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 12, 2009, 21:46:25 PM
OH and I just syringe fed him just over 1/6th can of a/d - about 5 or 6 x 5ml syringes (make it as thick as possible) which is a miserable 30 calories or something, but at least a top up. Within 2 mins of finishing, he was purring and lying happily being zoom groomed by OH.  He is just a magical little old man.

tomorrow looks like I will have to show him how grey and miz it is outside (if they are right), then take him for a walk to the bedroom and plonk him down somewhere on his soft cushion with the halogen heater and hope that he relaxes.  The most wonderful thing about the roof and why I'm so worried now that autumn is here, is how he relaxes. He has these amazing dreams where his whole body jumps and he changes position and there's no way I can wake him for ages - if I need to, have to do it gently over several minutes as he is so fast asleep and contented.

Btw showed a similar photo to the vet who thought it was funny. He said it's "retired burmese on holiday on the riviera"  ;D
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 12, 2009, 21:50:37 PM
Aw bless him Kate, he truly is a lovely natured gentleman...... Please let there be sun for you all!  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on September 12, 2009, 22:03:17 PM
What a gorgeous photp of your lovely lil man  :Luv:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 13, 2009, 09:00:06 AM
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He said it's "retired burmese on holiday on the riviera" 


It certainly is, bless him.   :Luv:  Is grey here today but hoping if there's any sun to spare it comes your way, Kate.  :hug:
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Post by: sarasara on September 13, 2009, 09:36:03 AM
c'mon Swampy, I hope that the late good weather keeps up for you both a bit longer. :Luv:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 13, 2009, 16:20:50 PM
so far so good with day 1 of the halogen "fake sun" heater. I put him in his harness and took him and plonked him down on his blue cushion as if he was outside, with the heater on 400W in front of him. Cue loud and happy purrs. Not as relaxed as outside as it only heats the bit facing the heater (his face), but still enjoying the warmth.

I hope he will eat a bit more but think he will need some syringe top up again as he's eating better than last week, but still not enough. I hope the heater continues to go down well as the sun looks like it's well gone.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 13, 2009, 16:30:24 PM
Im so glad bringing the outside in has helped him....Have you thought about placing something reflective behind him to bounce that heat back!  ;) :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 13, 2009, 23:17:41 PM
A new problem. His stomach is distended, seems swollen and hard. I've taken him to the vet twice for this and he just won't apply his mind to what it can be, just feels his tum and says it feels ok. It isn't ok. He won't lie on his side, just his stomach today. I've sent the vet another email as I'm sure this is why he is not eating much.  He has to have sub cut fluids or gets too dehydrated, but it could be fluid build up, it could be ascites, long term steroid use (don't think so or it would have manifested itself before). I'm not sure what to do.
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Post by: Kay and Penny on September 13, 2009, 23:20:15 PM
could it be constipation, Kate?
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 14, 2009, 08:55:37 AM
some of it, yes and I have given him another 1ml of lactulose this morning.  But he has put on 300g since yesterday morning. He only ate about 1 little can of food yesterday.  I think he is retaining fluid in his abdomen. I'd like him to have an ultrasound and I said I'd take down his bed and I'd hold him if they'll let me.  They just don't think laterally - of course they couldn't get a blind cat with a sore stomach to lie on a hard table on his side! He may lie in his bed though. It's just foam, so they could even X ray him in it.

I am persisting in trying to find out because he isn't miserable, his coat is good, his breath is much better on the antibiotics so a lot of that must be his dental problems, not end stage kidney failure. At present he is also breathing normally so it's not like what happened with Max. I think he could respond to treatment, if not to find a cure, then to make him more comfortable.
I am sure his eating problems are because his tum is puffy and swollen.  I am a nervous wreck though. Please send vibes and prayers for him and also that the vet doesn't just say there's nothing he can do and Swampy "is old" as that drives me mad.
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Post by: sarasara on September 14, 2009, 09:30:33 AM
Fight on Swampy's mum, if the constipation gets too much maybe try a teaspoon of cod liver oil as well as the lactulose if he will drink it. its back to cloudy though dry weather here as well, I hoped we could have more sun but let's hope it clears.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 14, 2009, 13:10:12 PM
Aw bless the man Kate....He is such a little trooper and I do hope you can get to the bottom of this and get him sorted with the vets help and much ease! Thinking of you all!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 14, 2009, 13:40:35 PM
what are the odds - Swampy had an X ray and he too has fluid on his chest from the sub cuts. Not as bad as Max and his breathing is fine but he had a diuretic injection. His tummy is full of gas too, probably from his kidney wastes. So he has to have a lot less fluids eg 50mls every other day, which won't probably be enough to keep him hydrated. It's going to be a very tricky balancing act. I hate diuretics and think he is feeling a bit off colour because of it, but it's out of him in 6 hours and hopefully he will pee out most of the fluids that have accumulated.

The americans and CRF info site make sub cuts sound so simple and say that 100mls a day is the correct dose. However Swampy's been on only 60 - 80 mls p.d. I wouldn't discourage anyone from doing them, but say be careful as it's not as simple as they make out. Any weight gain in a CRF cat is not possible is the golden rule I think.

I just hope he is going to be all right. While we had a look at his X ray with the vet, Swampy wandered all round the consulting room and had a poo on the floor. (proud of my little old man).
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Post by: Kay and Penny on September 14, 2009, 14:16:42 PM
sounds to me - who admittedly knows nothing about CRF - as if extra fluids are not all they're cracked up to be in an older cat, whose heart is no longer efficient enough to pump the extra fluid around the body as well as a younger heart would

 :rofl: for Swampy's present for the vet - I'm sure he just wanted to help out by leaving a sample for him ;)
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 14, 2009, 14:20:55 PM
I agree with that Trigger, also he does not move about as a younger cat would....I really feel for you and Swampy Kate...Hope the new method all though it does sound worryingly low helps his tum go down and him feel more comfy!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:

3 cheers for Swampy....Glad you left him a calling card!  :evillaugh: :Luv2: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 14, 2009, 17:07:56 PM
I think fluids are a life saver but the terribly tricky thing is to get the quantity right. You have to weigh them daily and check their skin folds, see how much they are eating, have they been sick etc etc. It is very easy to get wrong. Max lived 2 months where without fluids, he'd have lived about 3 or 4 days.  Swampy's creatinine was 480 before I started sub cuts and went down to 317 on them.  For some reason though, his kidneys haven't managed to expel even the 60 - 80mls. Maybe it's just him. He doesn't do large tray filling CRF wees. He does little teeny ones. I suppose I didn't factor that in.

I don't think 50mls every 48 hours will be enough but we can re-assess. Being blind, he doesn't drink as much as other cats as he only goes looking for a drink when he is very thirsty. It also depends on how much he is eating as they get a lot of fluid from wet food. Plus the halogen heater keeps him happy but it is dehydrating. I just took him some water and he had a long drink. I'm wondering (assuming his chest clears of fluids or as far as possible) if he could tolerate 25mls in the morning and 25mls at night as that isn't much and his kidneys would have 12 hours to get rid of it.

The trouble is that time and CRF are enemies. It is a huge worry. I have been thinking about it and know I can only do my best and will almost inevitably get it wrong.  No disrespect to the vet, but it would also help to have the type of american vets who do sub cuts with 100s of patients a year and who are very experienced in all situations.

thanks for caring though I meant to say that first. I am really tired, going to flop down in front of the heater with him now  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 14, 2009, 21:18:25 PM
the diuretic's made him feel sick. He wouldn't even lick up all his yoghurt pot lid tonight.  I almost wish I'd just cut fluids for a few days and not given him any diuretic.

anyone know if there's anything for nausea except pepcid and can you give pepcid and zantac a few hours apart (or even 12 hours apart).
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 15, 2009, 02:23:44 AM
Without sounding repetitious do you not have any Cerinia left for the nausea Kate? Also I cant see any reason why not with the pepcid and zantac, as long as you follow how long between doses there should not be a prob I would of thought....Maybe worth a vet ring though!  ;) :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 15, 2009, 09:24:49 AM
Yes i do have a bit of cerenia but think must ask the vet. I've emailed him. Swampy hasn't lost any of his weight that fluid retention put on and I'm worried about that as the diuretic made him feel so bad.
Then again maybe it is out of his body now as he is feeling better in himself and ate a little plate of food this morning and is more cheerful. He still has the sore tummy though and often, not always, lies on it with his head down. Pepcid helped so I've asked how much I can give him or either that and zantac.  I hope not just once a day as I think it helped him overnight.

I'm using the heater for warmth (which dehydrates I suppose as well) as I think the warmth helps him to feel more comfortable. I just hope so much he doesn't have to have more diuretic. I don't know how long they stay in the body but Max felt so horrible on them too.
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Post by: sarasara on September 15, 2009, 09:59:37 AM
I can't agree with you more about American vets, British vets are not allowed to practice in the US unless they go back to college. But care costs thousands, they even have ambulances with paramedic and cat scan facilities.
Luckily swampy has a soulmate and mummie to look out for him and suffer all the responsibility, worry and do all the research to make sure that he gets the best treatment from the surgery. Bless you both and I hope you both have a good day and the sun comes out for a while. It is certainly less cold where I am. :Luv2:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 15, 2009, 15:33:17 PM
no, it's cold and raining here. Swampy's been basking next to the halogen heater but is now in his bed. He still weighs 4.7kgs, 300g up on last week, so the fluids are probably held off for another day.
I don't know if they will gradually be absorbed and eliminated or if he'll need more of the horrible diuretic.

I was worried about the diuretic with fortekor but the vet says it is safe.  Mar Vista vet has a warning which scared me.  Swampy has had a little more to eat on his own though and is lying more comfortably a lot of the time.  He's a bit weak though so don't think his anemia's very good.
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Post by: bonnielass on September 15, 2009, 18:38:01 PM
Sending lots of positive vibes for Swampy and hope he manages to eat a little bit more :Luv2: and of course hugs for you Kate, it must be so hard for you and Swampy but glad hes enjoying his heater, i have 2 for my lot and they love it :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Mark on September 15, 2009, 20:26:41 PM
I have been looking into this Chinese herb that is a renal support. If you google it, there are experiements where it show it has helped. Also it is naturally diuretic - maybe gentler than regular diuretics. I can't get my head round a cat with CRF being given them -  Just a thought  :hug:.
I found another supplement only available in America called Renal essentials - I contains Rehmanna as well as other good stuff like fish oils. I just wish we could get it here - I think I will get this for mine.
http://www.petherbs.co.uk/inrenalfailure.html


Edit - I found a company that will ship renal Essentials to the UK but shipping is $35  :Crazy: - I will do some digging tomorrow and see if I can find another supplier that has reasonable delivery charges http://www.holisticpetinfo.com/proddetail.asp?prod=Renal_Essentials_cat
One thing that gives me confidence is the B12 in their tabs is the good, most bioavailable form of B12, methylcobalamin,  which is quite rare to find in things.
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 15, 2009, 21:47:05 PM
Yes, I've heard about Rehmannia on the Holisticat site http://www.holisticat.com/crf/Treatments-herbs-supplements-and-fluids.html

I was worried about the diuretic with fortekor but the vet says it is safe.  Mar Vista vet has a warning which scared me. 

Kate, Sam's on fortekor and diuretics and seems fine, although he only has a small dose of diurectic every other day. :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 15, 2009, 23:29:50 PM
thanks guys. Yes, shipping from USA is always horrendous for some reason.  Swampy was doing ok all afternoon until I gave him his pepcid and now he's lying in his tummy sore position again and not eaten much tonight. I may go back to SEB but didn't find it made much difference to him. I have some raw powder from a health shop (not H&B capsule) and I may try that in a paste. Let me know if you get any joy with the american herbal meds. thanks.

I keep reading about how he should be weeing buckets and he isn't. I think that is why I got the sub cut dosage wrong and why he needed the diuretic. His urea has climbed quite a bit though which explains the tum gas. It's low down - is it the large intestine that is nearer the bowel? you could see the gas on the Xray.  He's not had fluids today and probably none tomorrow either, just orally is ok.  I just hope he is all right tonight as I am pretty tired.

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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 16, 2009, 12:25:54 PM
we are going to try him on Infacol, an infant colic medicine, to see if a tiny dose of that helps his stomach gas.  Suggested by someone online in America. The only thing is I can only find orange flavoured and he has to have 0.2mls which is probably way too much for a gelcap.

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Post by: Bazsmum on September 16, 2009, 12:36:29 PM
Good luck with the Infacol....Hope this manages to sort his tum out! He does seem to have a treatment that combats another syptom plus treatment....very confusing I must say....Just to let you know you are coping brilliantly Kate....Head rubs for darlng Swampy from me and mine!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Mark on September 16, 2009, 19:52:51 PM
It's the same drug as Deflatine or Windeze but they are mint flavoured - not sure if you can get them in plain. It is an anti-foaming agent so doesn't actually neutralize acid butmakes the small bubbles into large bubbles which are expelled more easily - apparently  :shy:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 17, 2009, 09:48:22 AM
 :thanks:  He ate a little in the night and this morning and was purry so hope it helped.  However he's still not pooed since monday which isn't helping. His tum's hard.  Vet says he's not had enough to eat, but he has actually. He's also had lactulose in small 3x daily doses. I think with the drop in fluid intake, he's got constipated.
Weight is still 4.5kgs but some of that could come off if he did poo. I have to give him a bit of fluids tonight and am very nervous about it.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 17, 2009, 15:09:49 PM
Glad he is eating Kate....Bless his tum as we all know what constipation feels like!  :sick:

Sending tons of pooping vibes to darling Swampy~~~~hope he manages one soon!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 17, 2009, 17:17:24 PM
The vet has given him laxapet to try tonight.  I hope it works as he only eats a really little now every few hours and if he's blocked, that will go to nothing again. I'm a bit worried that his dementia's also playing a part as he's very old and just wanting to sleep by the heater now really.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 18, 2009, 09:14:21 AM
He has had 1/2 can a/d in 2 gos since last night by assist and also a little i/d on his own. I think that is more than enough for a poo, especially given that he's been getting lactulose. Last night's Laxapet hasn't worked either. Swampy just got up to wee in the night. So we are going down to the vets again. I keep having to go about 2 or 3 times before he takes it all seriously (including for the Xray, that took 2 visits) so I am steeling myself to be firm and get him to concentrate and help Swampy. It's not fair to keep having to go back for the same complaint.

I really hate syringing food into him but he is very purry and happy within a couple of minutes afterwards so perhaps it makes him feel better. He's parked in front of his heater again this morning as it is cold here.
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 18, 2009, 09:20:26 AM
 :cat rub:
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Post by: sarasara on September 18, 2009, 09:45:55 AM
:thanks:  He ate a little in the night and this morning and was purry so hope it helped.  However he's still not pooed since monday which isn't helping. His tum's hard.  Vet says he's not had enough to eat, but he has actually. He's also had lactulose in small 3x daily doses. I think with the drop in fluid intake, he's got constipated.
Weight is still 4.5kgs but some of that could come off if he did poo. I have to give him a bit of fluids tonight and am very nervous about it.
Do try a teaspoon of cod liver oil twice a day to help with the constipation when it gets that bad. It works well for my Sophie. Best wishes to you both. :hug:
sara.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 18, 2009, 13:04:55 PM
Yes Kate you will have to get you stubborn head on with the vet.....Does he think that you enjoy coming to see his so often!  :shocked:

It must be awful to have to get his food down for him....but you know he appreciated the feeling he gets when you have fed him!  :hug:

Best of luck with Swamps and look after you too!  ;) :Luv2: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 18, 2009, 13:13:23 PM
The vet managed to get a big poo out of Swampy by taking his temp (thermometer you know where) and then massaging his tum. We'd put him back in his carrier and were discussing what the gentlest enema would be when Swampy decided the time was right to go.  Why he did that though is guesswork. Could be dementia related or from his rising urea. We discussed how to get Swampy's brain more active he must have some kind of stimulation every day, even if it means a short visit outside in lousy weather or a walk (in his carrier) round the block. Even something that makes him a little nervous is better than just sleeping.

Worryingly he is still retaining a bit of fluid - vet appears to have learned from Swampy's experience that we gave him too much by doing sub cuts daily (no other clients have ever done them at my vet or either of the ones I used when my vet was away; they say clients refuse, but it means the vets lack crucial experience - and daily 50-100mls is the accepted dose for CRF cats at his level). So he will have now to only have a bit every other day so it doesn't build up and strain his heart. This means though that his urea and creatinine will keep rising so the prognosis isn't very good. Fortekor hasn't helped Swampy really at all. I think it helps some cats a lot and others not at all for reasons no-one quite understands. 

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Post by: Kay and Penny on September 18, 2009, 13:53:52 PM
that's twice now Swampy has mistaken the vet's surgery for an extra large litter tray

perhaps he is trying to tell you something  ;)
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Post by: Baggy on September 18, 2009, 21:20:05 PM
Fortekor hasn't helped Swampy really at all. I think it helps some cats a lot and others not at all for reasons no-one quite understands. 
That's more or less exactly what our vet said to us, which was at least honest of them. Sorry to hear it's not helping him.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 19, 2009, 10:31:33 AM
that's twice now Swampy has mistaken the vet's surgery for an extra large litter tray

perhaps he is trying to tell you something  ;)

(not that I go there but.....) I thought Harrods at £1 a loo visit was exorbitant! Swampy likes his £25 poos  :Crazy:  At least he got a decent health check too though.  His eye has some blood in it this morning which is not good. Apart from that, I've noticed just how much he dislikes being left alone now. He wants love all the time. No problem!

Yes it is so disappointing about the fortekor. He has proteinurea and higher nos so it's "supposed" to work. It didn't do Max any good either. The vets tend to treat it as if it was a miracle cure, so you are lucky to have had an honest vet I think, Baggy.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 19, 2009, 11:57:43 AM
So glad Swampy has had another poop....he must really like the vet!  :evillaugh:

So glad he is enjoying his mummy cuddles and dont know where you live Kate, but there may be a chance of some "real" sun for a couple of days at your end!

Thinking of you both!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 20, 2009, 16:26:34 PM
He did get out although not too much sun today, just not cold. He loves it. Tries to climb out of the window by himself even though he's weak. Then has a wonderful snooze with jumpy dreams.

He had 50mls sub cuts today, 72 hours since the last one. Maybe he can keep going without them or with them every 2- 3 days. I don't know. One day at a time is now really more in focus than ever. I am trying him on zantac instead of pepcid as he burps and hiccups sometimes. The infant colic med does work too I think as he is lying more comfortably now. Just it tastes of orange (although he only gets 0.2mls so not much). Orange is better tolerated than peppermint though.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 20, 2009, 16:29:13 PM
It makes perfect sense to me the new logic with the sub "Q's" after all it does seem pointless to do them everyday only to have to use a duretic!  ;) :shocked:

Glad he is enjoying the weather Kate....Bless him and you!  :Luv: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 21, 2009, 12:54:27 PM
Swampy has a little bald patch which looks like it could get a bit inflamed on his head. It's about where I need to scruff him for pills and stuff. I am very gentle always and have very short nails but I don't know what to use to help it heal fast.  I used some SA ointment Zambuk which is eucalyptus (he can't lick there and it's a very small area) but the vet suggested arnica ointment.

Does anyone have any magic ointment solutions to keep it from getting worse and help it heal please?

going out on the roof now. Not very warm but the sun's out.
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Post by: Dawn F on September 21, 2009, 12:56:14 PM
this is the arnica I use

http://www.qvcuk.com/ukqic/qvcapp.aspx/app.detail/params.item.211637
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on September 21, 2009, 13:00:04 PM
I know that arnica is brilliant for bruises on humans but didnt know it was any good for healing of sore spots......I would check its uses and whether it can be used safely on cats.............your vet does worry me sometimes LOL
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 21, 2009, 16:28:38 PM
2 hours ago when on the roof, Swampy had a funny turn. He was a bit restless, unable to sleep, then fell into a sort of coma sleep. He started breathing shallowly and fast and through his nostrils. I couldn't wake him. I brought him in and I knew he needed the tray as it was time for a wee, but he collapsed and did the wee in a semi conscious state. Then he lay on the futon and after 1/2 hour I managed to wake him and get him to purr when brushed and to eat a nibble. But then he opened his bad eye (it's shut normally) and walked very slowly and wobbly to his bed where he is lying. He just wants to be alone. His breathing is a lot slower and I think both of us got a fright.

Vet isn't there, it's a locum today and I'm not sure what he could do anyhow and it would stress Swampy further so I am just watching him at home, counting his breathing and letting him know I am around if he needs help.  He's had bad dreams and been crazily fast asleep on the roof before from the sun, but not like this.
He is a little nervy now so I gave him his Istin early to help calm him. Probably need one myself as I am quite scared.
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Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on September 21, 2009, 18:50:06 PM
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 21, 2009, 20:00:27 PM
Oh Kate, thinking of you and Swampy and sending positive vibes to you all~~~~~~ :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 21, 2009, 22:35:34 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Gillian Harvey on September 21, 2009, 22:37:34 PM
Sending good vibes for Swamps, and you Kate  :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on September 21, 2009, 22:45:31 PM
Hope Swampy and you manage to have a peaceful night with no more scares, sending lots of positive vibes for him and hugs for you Kate :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 21, 2009, 23:01:11 PM
Swampy is weak tonight. I don't know if he chewed up his steroid dose this morning so has had a big underdose as he started fading mid afternoon with that scare. Or if it is him just fading now. He is just lying quietly and still by his heater.
Please send prayers and vibes that he picks up.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 21, 2009, 23:03:09 PM
Prayers and vibes being sent by the bucket load~~~~~ :wish: :grouphug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 21, 2009, 23:15:11 PM
Billions upon billions of prayers and get better vibes from us all here - come on Swampy you can do it  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 22, 2009, 09:39:35 AM
He lay in my arms, purring and then sleeping from 5am.  The best present any boy could give his mum.

He's had some food and is sleeping. I just hope for a peaceful day and that he will continue to cope for a while longer yet. Thanks for all the good wishes for Swampy  :hug:


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Post by: Bazsmum on September 22, 2009, 12:12:59 PM
So glad you two have had a lovely night together.....I hope the sun is your direction today!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 22, 2009, 17:29:32 PM
He lay in my arms, purring and then sleeping from 5am.  The best present any boy could give his mum.

See I took this as better than a mouse!  :doh: :evillaugh: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 23, 2009, 09:16:42 AM
Swampy's off to the vet again to try to see if they can get bloods, as his walking is getting weaker. Hope he allows it!  He did me a poo in the night, so what a relief. But his tum is still sore and bloated. He's not had fluids since sunday (only 50mls) so I expect the blood results will be much worse as he's less hydrated for sure. I'm always so nervous taking him in. It's a normal appointment so we won't have time to deal with all his issues, just get the bloods done.
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Post by: Mark on September 23, 2009, 09:21:01 AM
Is he having the egg white Kate?

I bought Willow some Gourmet Gold tins last week that called "Souffles" - It looks like a catfood omlette  :evillaugh: . I think they are something like 5% egg. - I didn't hold out much he but Willow loves them.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 23, 2009, 09:54:42 AM
Hi Mark, well he's been given some hard boiled egg white but I always find it spat in his bed a few hours later. He is really good at pouching it. It's too big for a gelcap too! So no, must keep trying though.

Does that Souffles cat omelette (honestly, what next eh) food have egg yolk in it or just white, as he's not allowed yolk?  I'm still pondering (couldn't find it in the supermarket) powdered egg white, just to add a teaspoon to water should be easier. I made a right mess of syringing bisolvon down him in a syringe and egg white would be similar powder I assume, but think it's worth a go. Assuming the vet gets blood out of Swampy ok today, need to check his protein and albumin levels. Last time protein was dropping and albumin holding steady so the vet said to wait on the egg white if he doesn't like it because cats don't.
 :thanks:

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Post by: Bazsmum on September 23, 2009, 11:57:26 AM
You would think with the protien dropping he would be allowed the yolk as its a very good all round source!  :shocked:

Best of luck at the vets with Swamps Kate...hope the test results will be okay!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 23, 2009, 18:23:26 PM
I think egg yolk is banned for CRF cats, not sure why.
Swampy had blood taken at the vets today and I'm nervously waiting for it to come back. His back legs are suddenly weak. 



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Post by: Baggy on September 23, 2009, 20:29:14 PM
:hug: Hope the blood results give some idea as to what is happening.
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Post by: Mark on September 23, 2009, 20:37:53 PM
I think egg yolk is high phosphorus but they get such a small amount is is fine I'm sure. Willow is CRF so I add a pump of renalzin to her meals anyway. Anyway I checked Ocado (a really good site for checking ingredients  :) ) and it says min 4% egg. The can is 85g so 3.2g of egg per can. Even if 1/2 that was yolk (which is unlikely), there would only be 1.6g of egg yolk per can so nothing to worry about.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 24, 2009, 00:21:32 AM
 :crossed: for his blood results and I do hope he gains some strength in his back end!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Mark on September 24, 2009, 07:07:15 AM
Good luck with the results Kate  :hug:

btw - It cam up on another thread. Gillian listed the ingredients of RC renal wet and it contains egg white.
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 24, 2009, 08:01:04 AM
just sending some love xx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 24, 2009, 13:58:56 PM
thanks  :hug: and thanks Mark. I'm giving him one meal of RC renal a day now and the rest a/d. I spoke to the vet and he emailed me Swampy's blood results.

Only good news is that the Baytril has helped his infection so he's on it for a few more days. His albumin and protein are up, which is no doubt from the diet as he gets a/d, i/d and RC blended renal.  However the other news isn't so good. His creatinine is up to 376, urea 26 and there's a big jump in his ALT to 74. (less fluids maybe doesn't help). He is a bit more anaemic as his PCV is now down to 20.  However his potassium has dropped too, to 3.3 and my vet says that that explains the weakness as he is not in end stage CRF yet but the constantly dropping PCV and potassium are potentially a huge problem. Swampy has been on kaminox throughout, about a dropper (just under 1ml) a day, so all I can do is increase it to 2mls a day and hope that it helps.

The laurabolin has made him feel better, but it doesn't last long, not as long as the 18 days which is the minimum you can have before you can give it again. He's had 2 little plates of i/d by himself so far today as well as some a/d by syringe and has been purry and enjoying the sun on the roof. He had his brolly as it was pretty warm, a lovely day.  I am so grateful that he is having some good weather.

I'm supposed to get him to walk up and down the passage to keep his leg muscles going, but he doesn't want to and puts on the brakes and sits down. Everything is tiring and being blind, he likes just living where everything is familiar.
He's happy today which is lovely. I am very stressed though as OH has a week next week that he only has occasionally, where he just can't get off work should anything bad happen.  Please just hope with me that Swampy will respond to the kaminox and laurabolin and keep puddling along in his lovely little old man way.

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Post by: Bazsmum on September 24, 2009, 17:21:35 PM
Aw bless him...Im glad that he is eating okay as that's one worry less!  :hug:

Its the fluid saga again that must be such a worry.....Sending positive vibes that the steroid and Kaminox help him out and make him more stable bless...I do hope next week will be a smooth one for you both...much love!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 25, 2009, 19:16:16 PM
Swampy is poorly. He had another X ray. He has still got fluid around his lungs. He's on frusemide, which doesn't make them feel too well but is necessary. I had a good chat with the vet and with OH and we are really going day to day. This afternoon Swampy spent in the sunshine on the roof and he enjoyed that and he's now asleep in front of his very own heater.
Please if you can spare him your prayers and vibes right now.  The vet says he could deteriorate quite quickly.
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Post by: Kay and Penny on September 25, 2009, 20:09:32 PM
wishing loads of lovely dreams for Swampy in the warm glow of his fire, and no pain or suffering for the lovely man

and strength and fortitude for you and OH, Kate :hug:
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Post by: Maddiesmum on September 25, 2009, 20:44:11 PM
Loads of love, prayers, positive vibes and strength winging it's way from Manchester to my little friend Swampy XXXXXXXXX  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 25, 2009, 21:22:20 PM
Sending tons of positive healing vibes your direction Kate....You are all always in my thoughts....Much love x  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 25, 2009, 22:15:52 PM
Loads of healing vibes coming your way for the gorgeous Swampy , hope he has a good night and feels better tomorrow.

I have just had a look and those are what Bungly are on - 2 per day - but since Monday and she has only been on 1 steroid ( vets advice ) -the last 2 days she hasn''t been so good and today she isn''t good at all , she won''t eat anything and is very quiet - i am wondering whether to put her steroids back up to 2 again ? She goes back again Monday and seems like she has lost some fluid to my feeling round her tummy.
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Post by: bonnielass on September 25, 2009, 22:53:02 PM
Im sorry Swampy is not doing so good ,and i hope he feels better tomorrow and enjoys some more sunshine, send mega loads of healing vibes for this wonderful little man and  positive vibes for you and OH and hope things improve for you all :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 26, 2009, 13:37:00 PM
Hi, Swampy had a reasonable night and then at 6 this morning I brought him into the futon and he purred and slept in my arms for 3 hours.  He is now very weak and needing help with everything. I am so grateful that it is sunny as he is loving that today.  We will see how he is after the weekend. I am just making sure he is comfy and knows just how much he is loved. What is now sure is we don't have very long.

The diuretics (he has to have 1 more tonight unfortunately) made him feel ill and since them, he's drinking much less which is all very weird.

Bunglycat - can you try 1 1/2 steroids? Going from 2 to 1 is a huge reduction in dose in one go.  I hope it works. I know they have been a godsend for Swampy. I'm sure your vet told you that the best dose is the lowest, effective dose so maybe 1 is not enough.  1 every 48 hours has never been quite enough for Swampy. Good luck  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 26, 2009, 13:52:12 PM
Im glad Swampy is enjoying cuddles with his mum and that the sun is shinning on him as he so deserves it...What a total sweetie he has been throughout Kate.....You should both be so proud of each other!  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Dont like the thought of his duretic tonight, poor boy but a must is a must, just hope it dos'nt affect him badly this time! Thinking of you all x  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on September 26, 2009, 13:57:08 PM
Kate i hope the sun shines all weekend for Swampy so he can enjoy it :Luv: and have lots of cuddles and love together :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Stuart on September 26, 2009, 17:05:43 PM
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on September 26, 2009, 17:16:50 PM
Loads of healing vibes coming your way for the gorgeous Swampy , hope he has a good night and feels better tomorrow.

I have just had a look and those are what Bungly are on - 2 per day - but since Monday and she has only been on 1 steroid ( vets advice ) -the last 2 days she hasn''t been so good and today she isn''t good at all , she won''t eat anything and is very quiet - i am wondering whether to put her steroids back up to 2 again ? She goes back again Monday and seems like she has lost some fluid to my feeling round her tummy.

Dropping from 2 - 1 steroid is quite a drop..
as you know it was the steroids that kept Issey going for so long
I would be inclinded to put her back up and then tell your vet what you have done...sometimes WE do actually know what is better for our babies xxxx


Kate really sorry to hear that Swampy is so weak, hopefully the lovely sunshine this weekend will help to lift his spirits xxxx
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 27, 2009, 18:10:52 PM
How long little Swampy can go on for will depend on whether the frusemide can get rid of his fluid build-up or if it keeps increasing.  It's touch and go at the moment. Please send vibes or prayers that they work. Of course they go for the kidneys, so it's not possible to do for long as his CRF is worsening too.

At least we've had a lovely sunny weekend here so Swampy has been basking.  He's very weak and needs my help with everything now, but a purry old man in the sun is such a joy to see. He also lay in my arms on the futon this morning and then lay in his dad's arms.  Such incredibly special moments.
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Post by: bonnielass on September 27, 2009, 21:18:05 PM
,Im glad its been sunny for Swampy and will send every single vibe i can muster that he shows some improvement overnight :Luv: hope you have loads of cuddles and purrs tonight and that its calm and peaceful for you all :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 28, 2009, 04:53:24 AM
Everything crossed here that the fluid build up will decreace with the meds without needing upping....Im so glad that he has had some sun and an obvious happy weekend....Long may this continue.... :hug: :hug:

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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on September 28, 2009, 07:22:06 AM
Warmth and sunshine to you both Kate.  :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on September 28, 2009, 13:33:58 PM
 :hug: :hug: to you and the swampster
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 28, 2009, 18:13:16 PM
the vet says that Swampy's immediate prognosis depends on why he has his pleural effusion and how well his kidneys cope with his current level (1/4 a day) of diuretic but it seems that our long struggle doesn't have long to run. His dementia is also worse which is why he thinks that Swampy suddenly doesn't purr as much even when he seems to be enjoying being combed or cuddled, but then will purr like a tractor when he feels the sun on him. Swampy is also having dramatic dreams in very deep sleep, which means that something is going on in his brain. He did sleep in my arms again this morning. I am treasuring each millisecond with him.
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Post by: bonnielass on September 28, 2009, 18:16:39 PM
Kate i dont really know what to say,but im sure i speak for everyone on Purrs when i say that we are all with you and thinking and praying for you and Swampy  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 28, 2009, 21:38:48 PM
Kate i dont really know what to say,but im sure i speak for everyone on Purrs when i say that we are all with you and thinking and praying for you and Swampy  :hug: :hug:

Seconded!  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you all! x
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Post by: AliCat on September 28, 2009, 22:47:21 PM
Please give Swampy some strokes from me.  :Luv:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 29, 2009, 00:13:50 AM
Lots of gentle  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:  to Swampy from us all here - we will always continue to send healing vibes for him every day and  are thinking of you .
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on September 29, 2009, 08:48:33 AM
 :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 29, 2009, 13:53:21 PM
the vibes did well last night and first up this morning so keep them coming please  :hug:

We are so pleased that we didn't listen to the vet and kept Swampy going over the weekend. He was poorly yesterday morning & we feared the worst but when his steroids started working in the late afternoon (plus some sun, the instant purr remedy: soon to disappear though) the purr returned and he had a good night, getting himself up and finding everything he needed. I had to get up 3 times though as finding his way back to bed via wandering around until he finds it makes him breathe too hard. His respiration rate is normal, just a little laboured so no exercise allowed. 

This morning from 5am he slept in my arms again. I can't sleep as he lies on my arm and of course I can't move, but the sheer joy I feel is so special.

We are going out on the roof now. Sadly the forecast from tomorrow is much more autumnal. Do you think it would be safe to take the halogen heater on full blast outside? I thought I may try to see if it fools him a little bit. He may be old with dementia, but isn't easily conned into thinking the heater is sun. All sun gets an instant purr; heater is enjoyed but doesn't.

thanks for your support, it's so needed now  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 29, 2009, 14:46:58 PM
Tons of positive healing vibes coming Swampy's direction....Such a lovely special time your having with your lovely special boy!  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on September 29, 2009, 15:41:32 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on September 29, 2009, 17:08:22 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
I know what you mean when they are so content you can''t move them and just put up with them lying on you.
Smartie does this especially at night when i lie down to watch tv .
He somehows manoveres himself so i get the bum on my sholder , head into my neck and he purrs right down  my ear - i have to turn the tv up as i can only hear it through one ear and Smartie purring down the other ear  :rofl: its so lovely ,but no overly comfy for me , but would never move him till he gets down himself - i have often stayed there when i wanted to go to bed sooner than move him!
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Post by: bonnielass on September 29, 2009, 18:13:36 PM
Im really happy to hear that Swampy is feeling a bit better,its just a shame that the suns getting weaker now ,i have had my halogen heater outside in the garage  ( allthe cats were in there )and it was fine just need to make sure it doesnt get wet, sending loads more of those positive vibes for Swampy and hope he continues for a long time yet :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 29, 2009, 18:43:45 PM
He's been feeling not too bad today, but he gets weighed twice a day and this morning he was his usual (for lately; since his latest problem) 4.5kgs and a moment ago I picked him up and thought he felt so light and he's lost 300g in a day. He's 4.2kgs. I weighed him twice and got the same reading.

I don't know if this is good or bad news. Before his fluid in his chest problem, he was 4.4kgs so he has lost 200g even if it's good news in that some of the fluid has gone. I'm so nervy about everything. Must try to be calmer. Doesn't help when you are very tired and you can see that things are getting worse does it.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 29, 2009, 18:57:51 PM
You are very hands on with everything concerning Swampy Kate...You are bound to notice any change through this.....Let your mind have a breather and look on the positive side of the fluid going away..... ;)

Peaceful vibes to you both!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on September 30, 2009, 11:41:48 AM
well hopefully it's the fluid and his breathing will improve and he may be able to have some sub cut fluids again (not much but a bit if he's getting dehydrated) but it's one step at a time. Unfortunately from last night his snorty, snotty nose started up again. No idea why as the vet says it's his urea toxins, but why would they be ok all afternoon and start up again at 7pm?! He vomited up a meal from his 'globby' swallowing as he tends to do, which is difficult as he needs all his food.

He has taken to spitting out his kaminox. I'm going to have to give it in a syringe and hope that that works. It's made him stronger.
Swampy is very unimpressed by the weather today too poor little man.
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Post by: Bazsmum on September 30, 2009, 13:06:18 PM
Thats strange it not starting up till approx 7pm!  :Crazy:

Hope he manages to get his meds down Kate...Best wishes to you both!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 01, 2009, 00:51:30 AM
Poor Swampy - having a snotty nose does get them down - i have posted on Bunglys thread about Baytril for you .
Lots of healing vibes and  :hug: :hug: :hug:  for the gorgeous one .
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 01, 2009, 14:43:10 PM
We went for a vet's check up this morning and he is quite pleased with Swampy. He said his chest sounds better and the frusemide has done well so far, but he must stay on it and have a little sub cut fluids every few days (makes me nervous now after the dire predictions at the vet on friday).  Another week on Baytril but at a reduced dose as Swampy is now 4kgs not nearer 5kgs. He says the Baytril goes for kidneys more than synulox which is why he can't stay on it forever. But he believed me about the cold - Swampy had just had a little water and 2mls of kaminox before going to the vet and he duly threw up all over the vet's table.

I have to persist in getting kaminox down him or he will weaken faster. Vet gave me some powdered potassium to use if I can't get enough kaminox down him without him bringing it up. The worry is that he vomits up his assist meals too. It's all post nasal drip.  I may have to try bisolvon again although it's impossible to get the right dose of that stuff and it goes for the liver.
The sun's vaguely out here but it is breezy. I can't decide whether to take him outside for 15mins or whether that will make his nose worse. The forecast for the next 2 days is no sun at all. Vet thinks the reptile lamps may be too intense a heat, not like the sun, more like cooking him if he lay under it (dunno?).
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 02, 2009, 02:34:00 AM
Im pleased that the vet is pleased with his progress as thats always a good sign....Hoping you manage to keep up the good work via his meds!  ;)

Have you fell out with the halogen heater Kate? Just wondering why the mention of the reptile lamp?

Positive vibes to you all!  :Luv: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 02, 2009, 10:42:05 AM
No, he likes it, just the halogen is def a heater to him not 'fake sun'.  A reptile lamp would be hotter (but vet thinks too hot but isn't sure - if anyone has one, please let me know?).

If anyone has got any foolproof ways to divide up and give bisolvon, I'd be grateful to hear them. I have to divide up a 20g sachet into 12, then somehow give Swampy one of the 12ths for 4 consecutive days. Last time I tried it, powder went anywhere and everywhere and then when I mixed it with water, it stuck to the plastic bowl so Swampy got a tiny dose and mostly water...... :Crazy:

He had a good night but is snotty.  It looks as if I will have to change his frusemide to the morning and hope that it doesn't clash with fortekor (longer term use of fortekor and diuretics?? Or maybe it's the other ACE inhibitor: my vet says not to worry but I do) which I also give in the mornings (maybe should move the fortekor to the eves?).

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Post by: Bazsmum on October 02, 2009, 11:50:22 AM
What about a facial solarium then Kate, that would be UV lighting!  ;) Obviously moved about till correct heat is found as not to burn!  ;) That would be your best mimic of the sun!

I cant see any wrong in you changing his forteker dose till evenings as long as he is still getting his daily dose!  :hug:
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 04, 2009, 00:47:16 AM
Hows Swampy doing Kate ? xxx
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Post by: Mark on October 04, 2009, 01:44:18 AM
What about a facial solarium then Kate, that would be UV lighting!  ;) Obviously moved about till correct heat is found as not to burn!  ;) That would be your best mimic of the sun!

I cant see any wrong in you changing his forteker dose till evenings as long as he is still getting his daily dose!  :hug:

I think the heat of the sun is in the infra-red range, not the UVA/UVB range - but I never did like physics  :evillaugh:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 04, 2009, 01:46:00 AM
UVA and UVB rays from the sun cause you to burn
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 04, 2009, 01:57:55 AM
I think the heat of the sun is in the infra-red range, not the UVA/UVB range - but I never did like physics  :evillaugh:

UV light is found in sunlight and is emitted by electric arcs and specialized lights such as black lights. As an ionizing radiation it can cause chemical reactions, and causes many substances to glow or fluoresce.

UVA and UVB rays from the sun cause you to burn

Most people are aware of the effects of UV through the painful condition of sunburn, but the UV spectrum has many other effects, both beneficial and damaging, on human health.





Answers from quotes taken from Wiki!  :evillaugh: :P

Im sure far enough away from the body as not to cause any damage would be recommended....I like physics btw...It just dont like me!  :innocent: :rofl: :hug:
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Post by: Janeyk on October 04, 2009, 07:03:57 AM

If anyone has got any foolproof ways to divide up and give bisolvon, I'd be grateful to hear them. I have to divide up a 20g sachet into 12, then somehow give Swampy one of the 12ths for 4 consecutive days. Last time I tried it, powder went anywhere and everywhere and then when I mixed it with water, it stuck to the plastic bowl so Swampy got a tiny dose and mostly water...... :Crazy:



Are you talking about Bisolvon powder? if so, Schui had to take it all the time and it was 'a pinch' my vet showed me she said just get a little pinch between your fingers and add it to his water or food - did your vet tell you to divide it up?
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Post by: Desley (booktigger) on October 04, 2009, 11:24:35 AM
I had Bisolvon powder for Blackie, and it had a scoop with it.
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Post by: sarasara on October 04, 2009, 22:17:21 PM
Just thought of you and signed in to say I am praying for you both, wonderful swampy's mum and dear swampy.  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 05, 2009, 03:51:22 AM
Hoping all is well with darling Swampy and yourself!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 05, 2009, 11:11:24 AM
Hi, sorry I didn't post yesterday. Swampy had a good day and I was superstitious. Today he's not quite as good (yesterday he ate all by himself all day and was in a great mood). He is parked in front of the heater, but it's not the sun. I don't think anything really can be to be honest?

It's pouring with rain and almost dark here and somehow he seems to sense the weather. He's weaker than yesterday which doesn't make a lot of sense to me as his meds are the same.

No I didn't get a scoop with the bisolvon. I got a 20g sachet and have had to divide it up using (on) hard white printer paper into 12 roughly equal segments, then he gets 1 of those in a 1ml syringe mixed with water. The dividing up is very tricky. His nose was better yesterday so I didn't give it but think I will have to again today.  I try not to give him meds if he seems ok as he has a lot.
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 06, 2009, 00:13:51 AM
I dont think your gonna get a good sun mimic unless your were to spend a serious amount of money, I think things add to the outside such as gentle breezes and different smells too!  :hug:

Thinking of you both and wishing Swampy all the best!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sarasara on October 06, 2009, 09:23:36 AM
I bought an infra-red lamp to help with rhumatism which mimicks then sun to some extent, they are fairly cheap but can only be used on medical advice for short periods, but very helpful. Hugs to Mr Swampy.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 06, 2009, 15:24:35 PM
Swampy's been eating by himself and has been brighter but his back legs are much weaker again so I've increased the kaminox. He felt so light today and I weighed him and he's lost another 300g quite suddenly. He weighed 4.2kgs on saturday and today he's 3.9kgs. He's going tomorrow to the vet again for more bloods and a check up. I wouldn't be so worried if the weight loss wasn't so fast and his back legs weren't so weak as he has been cheerful and very purry and clearly feeling better. He's still on diuretics but the vet didn't think he had 600g worth of fluid to get rid of. He may also have another xray depending on how he is. I am very worried. Trying to stay calm.
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 06, 2009, 19:36:44 PM
Sending positive vibes to you and darling Swampy, glad he is eating on his own!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 07, 2009, 16:35:54 PM
Swampy went for bloods today to the vet, mostly because of his back leg weakness and his weight loss. He yelled a bit in the car, which is good as he's not done that for a while. He weighed in at nearly 4kgs on the vet's scale, 3.9 on mine. The vet isn't sure as we didn't do an X ray (no time: an emergency came in and it's a 1 vet practice) but he thinks Swampy's chest is clear, however he's staying on a small dose of diuretics. I wanted him to have an X ray as if it was free of fluid, I was hoping to take him off them.  I don't know if they help to clear chest muck from his cold but I doubt it (? biology not my strong point).
He's been very purry but his snotty nostril not good at all and he tends to vomit up his kaminox. The vet now says he thinks it isn't likely at all that I could overdose potassium on a cat with CRF but we are waiting for the blood test results to see how things are with Swampy off sub cuts and suddenly skinnier. I'm just glad he's feeling brighter and hope it lasts for as long as possible and that his legs hold up. I've been shown a couple of massages to give him. If anyone knows of any more, please let me know.

blood test results should be in tomorrow.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 07, 2009, 19:21:02 PM
Blood results are back. His biochem is the same or better but his creatinine is now 413 and his urea 30.  Fortekor just doesn't work for him. The vet says I have to give him at least 50mls sub cuts a week, if not twice a week and he must stay on a small dose of frusemide and the fortekor and keep doing what I am doing.

The only thing he also wants to watch is his calcium which is up to 2.83. Last time it was 2.4. Apparently if it goes high, over 3, it's usually for sinister reasons but he says he hopes it's just higher CRF calcium.
I'm telling myself there is no point in worrying.
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Post by: sarasara on October 07, 2009, 20:36:36 PM
Bless you both. :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on October 07, 2009, 21:26:19 PM
 :hug:
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Post by: Kay and Penny on October 07, 2009, 22:14:31 PM
if Swampy seems to be doing OK, and enjoying his life, so what if the test figures don't always add up

they sure don't matter to the Swamp monster himself :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 08, 2009, 02:27:34 AM
if Swampy seems to be doing OK, and enjoying his life, so what if the test figures don't always add up

they sure don't matter to the Swamp monster himself :hug:

I could'nt agree more! Thinking of you both!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 08, 2009, 17:44:51 PM
The vet's just told me he's going away all next week so there will be a locum, who he says is good, but of course I get so anxious. Swampy is going for his X ray tomorrow evening. He should have had it yesterday but the emergency case cat came in so we didn't do it, so now the poor lamb has to go back. Anyhow we need to see if his chest is clear and adjust the frusemide as his CRF is worsening so the theory is that he needs some sub cuts and hopefully can tolerate 50mls every 4 days or so without it building up in his chest.
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 09, 2009, 12:15:44 PM
Best of luck with Swampy's xray tonight!  :wish:

I hope the giving of the fluids every 4 days or so works out for you both! Thinking of you all!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 09, 2009, 21:04:53 PM
He's still got a little bit of fluid on his chest so has to stay on the frusemide, but also has to have 50mls a week or so of sub cuts as he is getting worse with his CRF and is crying for water now - although he doesn't drink that much or wee that much.
My vet is going away now for 2 weeks. A locum will be there. I'm very nervous about it all.
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 09, 2009, 21:15:01 PM
Sending positive calming vibes for you all~~~~~ :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on October 09, 2009, 22:33:16 PM
 :hug: Fingers crossed the locum will be fab!
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Post by: bonnielass on October 10, 2009, 09:19:42 AM
Hope all goes well with the locum  and that he turns out to be really good and lots of positive calming vibes for you both :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 10, 2009, 13:52:14 PM
Swampy had a rough night. He was doing all right until he went for a large poo. Then his back legs became very weak. They were a little better this morning, but he is struggling. If you have any prayers and vibes left over, please send them all to him today.
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Post by: bonnielass on October 10, 2009, 13:54:59 PM
Im sorry hes a had rough night Kate and will send a mega load of positive vibes for Swampy and hope he picks up ,take care of yourself as well Kate :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 10, 2009, 14:23:20 PM
Poor Swampy - hope he picks up again today -will be sending mega healing vibes for the beautiful boy  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 11, 2009, 01:55:16 AM
Sending tons of positive healing vibes to Swampy bless him, and bless you for being his perfect mum!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on October 11, 2009, 08:58:09 AM
Hope Swampy had a better night last night and that today is an improvement :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:, still sending lots of positive vibes for him
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 11, 2009, 13:34:22 PM
He did have a bit of a better night thanks, but his legs are weak and it is a huge worry. On the plus side of all the extra caring that my little old man now needs is that he thinks it's just lovely to come and sleep in my arms under the duvet.
I am taking him down the passage for a couple of 'walks' a day just to try to keep his muscles working a bit and the vet showed me a couple of stretching exercises (I wish he'd shown me when he told me not to let him walk for 10 days when the fluid was around his heart - that would have been the time to start them).

Also giving him more regular lactulose, about 0.5mls after his meals, just in the hope that he doesn't store up and do a mega poo again as that nearly finished him off as it made him exhausted.  That's the trouble with a/d which the vet warned me about. Much of what he eats is now a/d. The renal foods don't have enough to keep up his strength.

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Post by: Bazsmum on October 11, 2009, 16:09:17 PM
Looks like its another case of whats good for one thing counteracts another!  :tired:

Hope the walking exercise manage to help his back end out bless!  :wish:

So glad you two are still having loads of together time!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on October 11, 2009, 18:27:13 PM
Hope he's feeling better today!
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 12, 2009, 10:44:14 AM
He was a little better yesterday. The sun's out which should hopefully go down well later on this morning for a couple of hours. I don't know if it will be warm enough to take him out.
The diuretics seem to have got him into the habit now of wanting to wee every 2 or 2 1/2 hours even though he's only on 1/4 once daily. This is ok when he is in his own bed and can find the tray easily, but at night from the futon I have to help him find it (he's under the duvet and gets confused). He wants to be under the duvet as it's cold at night now. Plus I think whether or not he purrs, he finds it comforting being next to me and knowing I will help him.
However I am running on empty. I am so exhausted as I have to get up every 2 hours or so all night and can't sleep in the day.  I just lay down to rest and some unsolicited CS call got me up  >:(

The other thing is he's started lip licking (like he's nauseous) when he wants to go to the tray. I don't understand that and it's new. So far thankfully it stops when he's been.



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Post by: Bazsmum on October 13, 2009, 10:37:52 AM
Aw bless him, do hope the sun will shine on his balcony more often!  :Luv2:

With ref to the new lip licking, I wonder if it is just his way of trying to get himself up for the loo? Strange but seems to coincide so maybe not a worry!  :hug:

Best wishes to you all!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 13, 2009, 17:06:55 PM
the good is he spent 1 1/2 happy snoring hours on the roof in the sun - wonderful for October.
His tummy gas isn't good though.  He is doing some eye wateringly smelly backfires poor boy. Without the regular sub cuts, his kidneys seem to be producing ever more waste. With them, he gets fluid around his chest and abdomen. I've learnt ( so has the vet) that sub cuts are a lifesaver but it's not as easy as the websites say as you have to get the right dose for each individual cat.
I'll say it again - I don't understand why fortekor works so well on some cats and not at all on others. It's so disappointing that it isn't holding his kidney function steady. That's why the americans use sub cuts not fortekor to treat CRF.  I just so wish I'd got Swampy's fluid dose right from the word go. I feel that my amateur hour efforts let him down and the vets have no experience either.
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Post by: Baggy on October 13, 2009, 20:31:45 PM
:hug: There is no way in any shape or form you should ever think you've let Swampy down, as you say (and from what I read when Dinah was poorly) it's so difficult to get the dose right with sub cut's.  Glad to hear he's enjoying the October sunshine.
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 13, 2009, 20:51:16 PM
Oh Kate you cant blame yourself, you have done so much for darling Swampy and all I can say is "you should be so proud of yourself!"  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Leanne on October 14, 2009, 10:50:53 AM
Kate you have never let Swampy down don't ever think that, I take my hat off to you and how you've coped and dealt with this  :hug: :hug:

Lots of vibes for the swampster  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 14, 2009, 11:09:25 AM
The locum vet is Italian and doesn't like cerenia as says it's only been around 2 years. The Americans all use it. Could be the old thing of different countries, different protocols.  Swampy's nausea is increasing, some from his CRF and some from post nasal drip (which gets worse with increasing urea). She wants me to use this ulcer drug instead
http://www.petplace.com/drug-library/omeprazole-prilosec/page1.aspx

Does anyone know about this or has ever used it with a CRF cat please? I am always so nervous to use anything new. If it works, it could make sense as his tum has had a lot of antibiotics and his tummy acid isn't good. However am worried that it can cause gas as that is a bit problem. On his X rays, there was a lot of gas in his abdomen.

thanks for the support, it means a lot. I know that I did things wrong, but I also know I did my best and that it wasn't good enough as he needs sub cuts but I can't give him the level he needs. Watching him going downhill now is heartbreaking. My job now is just to keep him knowing how loved he is and as comfy as possible for as long as possible.
 :hug: to you all xx

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Post by: Dawn F on October 14, 2009, 11:11:26 AM
definately Kate my mother in law is Italian and lives there, her vet didn't want to neuter her persian "once they are gone they won't grow back"
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 14, 2009, 14:49:05 PM
She's tried (failed) to change his meds, take him off the selgian as it's not great for his CRF. I must try to chat to her later. Swampy vomited 1 1/4 hours after having his vital steroids this morning. She says (via the nurse) that he can't have absorbed any of the dose so I must regive it. To double up would be a bit risky, but this morning was 48 hours since the last dose so not to have steroids would be very risky too. I'm not sure what to do.

Managed to get 2 little meals down him since the vomiting. When he was eating before the vomit, he was swallowing glug glug glug like from his cold so think that was what it was.
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 14, 2009, 19:31:34 PM
You stick with what works and dont let a locum start messing about!
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 14, 2009, 20:15:55 PM
I went to see the locum to chat with her and I was actually very impressed. She said she loves cats, especially older ones and has a 21 year old cat herself and is giving her 100mls a day sub cuts, so we discussed what to do and what had gone wrong. She is sure the diuretic is making Swampy feel worse and suggests that 1/8th of a 40mg tablet should be enough - a little more if and when I give more sub cuts. She thinks I will have to, as he is deteriorating and 50mls a week isn't really enough. Swampy is not very dehydrated on the skin test, but he's started crying for water when he can't instantly find it so he must be very thirsty. Mind you, he seldom drinks for very long or drinks very much and still does his polite little wees.  I wish I had seen her before starting the sub cuts but that's how it goes.

Anyhow it helped to have a chat and I explained the reasons for certain meds and she seemed to understand that management of the elderly with multiple health problems involves compromising on meds. In an ideal world Swampy wouldn't take anything that hurt his kidneys.  I am going to stop his antibiotics from tonight though as we spoke about how his stomach is battling with them and needs a break.
He's been on them a month and they help his cold tremendously. She also didn't seem phased when I said they helped his vestibular disease  - she said she'd use them to control it too.

I have to give him his laurabolin injection soon so am nervous about that - she didn't seem totally familiar with it but looked up his notes to see the right dose.

thanks again for all the support  :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 14, 2009, 21:47:00 PM
Glad you had a good chat with your Locum and it went well.
Hope that things improve and Swampy start to feel better again soon :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 14, 2009, 21:52:20 PM
just done his laurabolin and vit B 12 and hope it's going to help. He had a good purr earlier (but is still miaowing for water, then doesn't drink much) and he highly recommends danone ultra creamy vanilla yoghurt btw!
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Post by: bunglycat on October 14, 2009, 22:01:16 PM
I can''t remember why now but at one point i was giving Smartie some extra water in a syringe straight into his mouth and funny boy that he is -he loves to drink it that way sometimes even now  :Crazy:
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 14, 2009, 22:33:13 PM
I am sure he has access to water all the time cos duritics will make him thirsty.........cant remember if hes on them or not. Kocka used to drink little but splash water every where and seemed to have an obsession with water.

I was interested about the abs and had wondered why they  seem to work for Franta , although he only has 7 injections when he is ill.
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Post by: Kay and Penny on October 14, 2009, 23:36:33 PM
yoghurt will have quite a high water content - it all counts
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 15, 2009, 13:32:36 PM
Glad to hear the locum has given you some really good all round advice!  :wow:

Thinking of you and Swampy and wishing you both all the best!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 15, 2009, 13:51:16 PM
anyone know how long food has to be in the tum before it's digested, so if he vomits I can know that he's digested most if not  all of it? Today he vomited 1 1/2 hours after his food. His moron mother shoved a fortekor down him without doing it properly and he choked and up everything came. Well a lot of brown liquid and the fortekor anyhow.

He's very weak so I had to regive yesterday's puked up steroids at 12 today and now am waiting out 3 hours with bated breath (to be sure he's got the dose in him) before I give him another meal. Luckily right now he's sleeping in the sun but it'll disappear from the bed quite soon. 3rd day in a row he's going to be down on his food intake.
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Post by: Dawn F on October 15, 2009, 13:52:17 PM
poor swampy  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 15, 2009, 14:45:45 PM
There was a thread not so long ago asking this? Will see if I can find it.....Positive vibes to you both!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:

Grr! Cant find it sorry!  :( :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 16, 2009, 09:56:14 AM
Today is Swampy's 18th birthday. I didn't want to post in the lead up to it as he has been so poorly. I feel so blessed to share it with him. Even if he's not feeling his best (bit of a runny tum today) he had a million kisses and he purred like a tractor while lying in my arms this morning.
I just hope he can have a quiet loving day and no vet visits (please tum be all right!).  It's amazing to think that 18 years ago today, a weeny little brown swamprat-kitten with closed eyes and teeny little brown ears came into the world and has been a cuddle, love monster ever since.  I've never known a cat anything like him and I know I never will. I sang him all his songs to his head this morning, plus of course happy birthday.
Swampy sez iz gud to be deaf sumtimes  :hug:
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Post by: Dawn F on October 16, 2009, 10:19:36 AM
happy birthday swampy, 18 is an amazing age!
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Post by: Leanne on October 16, 2009, 11:20:34 AM
Happy birthday swampy  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kay and Penny on October 16, 2009, 11:31:02 AM
happy birthday Swampy - though you may be a bit too grown up for :disco:

here's hoping for some  :summer 1: at least

and failing that, at least some sunshine in your heart - cos I don't think Kate will allow you one of these :cake4:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 16, 2009, 11:41:22 AM
Poor love, the day got off to a good start with purrs and love, but he's since been sick again. 1 1/2 hours after eating. I hope he kept some of it down. He's upset there's no sun, just the heater.
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 16, 2009, 12:01:38 PM
Mores sun vibes to the Birthday boy!  ;)

Happy 18th Birthday darling Swampy, hope you have a lovely day and manage to keep your future meals down!  :Luv2:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 16, 2009, 14:25:07 PM
 :birth 6:
Lots of birthday wishes for Swampys 18th birthday - hope he has a lovely day , keeps his food down, no vet visits and the sun comes out for him and he feels better . :hug: :hug: :hug: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 16, 2009, 14:26:09 PM
this is a recent photo of him bobbing his head up and down ("doing his thermals") on the roof to catch the breeze
(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/P1010691.jpg)

and this one on the futon, enjoying his halogen heater

(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/P1010598.jpg)

must go and feed him again now. I hope he keeps it down as he needs to keep his strength up.
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 16, 2009, 14:28:21 PM
Gorgeous!  :blow kiss:

 :crossed: for his food to stay put!  ;) :hug:
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Post by: bunglycat on October 16, 2009, 15:01:23 PM
What a gorgeous boy he is  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
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Post by: Kirst on October 16, 2009, 18:06:22 PM
Appy Birfday Swampy!! :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 16, 2009, 18:32:44 PM
 :yesss: :yesss: :yesss:  Happy Birthday Handsome Swampy, from me and the Padster.  Congratulations on looking so good for an "old Codger"  ;) :hug: ;D
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Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on October 16, 2009, 18:34:55 PM
My post went missing grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Appy Birfday Swampy and ope the sun came owt for yoo and yoo caught some rays  :hug: :hug:

sasa an da boys an ooman
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Post by: Jasmine on October 16, 2009, 19:40:46 PM
 :congrats: on reaching a landmark birthday Swampy! ;D
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Post by: bonnielass on October 16, 2009, 22:58:49 PM
Almost missed this Kate :-[ i hope Swampy had a good day and managed to keep his dinner down and im praying for the sun for him tomorrow , : :hug: :hug:

Happy Birthday Swampy  :Luv: :Luv:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 16, 2009, 23:35:13 PM
thank you everyone for the birthday boy's wishes xx  :hug:

He may go to see the locum vet tomorrow to discuss what sub cuts to give if any and to have him checked over. He is weak. We'll decide in the morning. As I said on the other thread, he and I spent a lovely day together. I couldn't have wished for more.

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Post by: Bazsmum on October 17, 2009, 03:07:10 AM
So glad you all had a great day to remember!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 17, 2009, 10:34:31 AM
poor Swampy is going to the vet today as he has a sore tum. I know she'll ask me why I haven't yet used prilosec but it's primarily for stomach acid and I think his main problem is gas pain and his cold. I've cleaned up lots of muck from his nose this morning - only good thing is he's not swallowed it. I think that makes him sick too.
He had a good night, then felt lousy from about 6am. I'm wondering if I should give him a little assist meal in the middle of the night, so he doesn't go too long (eg 12 hours) without any food. I'm wondering if that long time without food makes his acid /gas worse. Does anyone have any ideas about this please?

V nervous seeing a new vet.
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Post by: Janeyk on October 17, 2009, 13:01:41 PM
Acid will affect his stomach if he isn't eating especially if he is prone to acid, will he not eat by himself?
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 17, 2009, 13:51:02 PM
New vet or old vet Kate, I think you know quite enough about Swampy's illness to know whether there suggestions will do any good!  ;)

Best of luck with him at the vets....Thinking of you all!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 17, 2009, 17:43:42 PM
Locum vet went on a rant about how we 'must' get Swampy off steroids and OH believes her (he thinks Swampy takes too many meds, but that is because he is old and ill with a variety of problems) so we had a bit of an argument. I know they are bad for his CRF and I wish he didn't need them, but I think he does.
He gets so floppy and won't eat, purr or be interested in anything if he doesn't have any. He's been on them for 13 months now since his accident. He's now on 1 1/2 every 48 hours.

She (vet) is an eye vet primarily so noticed that his ulcer isn't healing (steroids and CRF the reason) but that he has learnt to live with it. His eye is mostly closed and the 3rd eyelid covers the ulcer area. He has abx ointment which helps to soothe and he doesn't rub it. I know they are bad for his kidneys and if he just had CRF he wouldn't be on them. So is Selgian bad for his CRF but he needs it.  She says that his sore tum is made worse by them too. I said that he wouldn't eat or purr without them and that - vitally - he wouldn't walk at all. That would mean that his back legs could just give way, as the 10 days when he was banned from walking after his chest flooded has made his legs so much weaker.

She doesn't think it is important that he would just lie there and not purr as he should eventually adjust. She made me feel as if I am deliberately poisoning him and making his CRF worse faster. She said he could have some time left that I am denying him by keeping on the steroids.  It's true that the steroids are the first drug I hope he keeps down, as they cheer him up so much. So what if they mask if you have a terminal illness.  The situation's very difficult.

She compounded my confusion by declaring that his snotty nose (it's very snotty today) wasn't that significant.  It is what is making him vomit up his food! Then tells me to feed him as much as possible today as he has lost yet more weight, he is down now to 3.85 kgs from 4kgs. That's the least he has ever weighed since he was a kitten. He did vomit up 2 meals yesterday.

I am so tired and quite upset. I can't see that Swampy can have very long with his continued weight loss. While I'm sure that steroids are bad for his CRF, I'm unconvinced that he'd live longer and have a quality of life, without them. What I may do is lower the dose by 1/4 pill per 48 hours. I think that going from 1 1/2 (7 1/2 mgs) to 1 (5mgs) is a big sudden drop. He didn't tolerate 5mgs about 6 months ago when we tried it.
I know my own vet says that the best dose is the lowest effective dose as they aren't good for him. I think that what is doing him in is his CRF but that the biggest factor in that's acceleration is the lack of sub cut fluids. They do keep it at bay longer than anything else does.  Sorry this is so long, just letting off steam.

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Post by: bunglycat on October 17, 2009, 18:14:46 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Sorry the vet wasn''t very good/helpful .
I am sure you know more about what to do for Swamy as you are with him 24/7 .
Not sure what else to say -but you are doing a wonderful job with him and keeping him going .
I have just increased Bunglys steroids as she was not eating much at all and i have found she is eating more as she usually did again- i did this off my own back and she was on 2 5g per day and i have added another 1/2 tablet and she is better with that than without it .
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Post by: bonnielass on October 17, 2009, 20:33:35 PM
It must be so hard for you Kate to jiggle all these things round and remember what needs to be taken when and i admire you so much, its thanks to your excellent care and devotion that Swampy is still here, i know many other people would have given up long ago.
You know Swampy better then anyone else  and all the research you have put  into trying to help him  so please dont get upset  about the vet you have enough to contend with so please take care of yourself and Swampy and try and get some rest :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 17, 2009, 21:07:23 PM
what is so very hard is dealing with the fact that he is so ill now. I am so grateful for his 18th birthday but it makes you greedy for more time and love with him. Yesterday I weighed him as usual and he was 4kgs. Today he is 3.7kgs.  This is the third time he's lost 300g boom overnight.  A month or so ago when he had the fluid, he weighed 4.5g so it's an 800g loss in that time, only some of which must have been fluids. I don't know what or why it is happening, but it can't be good news can it.

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Post by: bonnielass on October 17, 2009, 21:37:39 PM
I think what you have to do now Kate is take each day at a time and dont look back, its whats happening today and tomorrow that counts

If Swampys time is limited then  worrying about the past wont help you or him as he will pick up on your distress, you need to stay positive for both your sake and Swampy,s

I know you will do whatever it takes wether its what the vet suggests or what you know is best for him ,just stay positive :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 18, 2009, 03:04:51 AM
When is your old vet back Kate? I think you have been at battle with this illness to know the inn's and out's of it by now....  ;)

Thinking of you and Swampy and sending positive healing vibes!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 18, 2009, 07:51:07 AM
I think what you have to do now Kate is take each day at a time and dont look back, its whats happening today and tomorrow that counts

If Swampys time is limited then  worrying about the past wont help you or him as he will pick up on your distress, you need to stay positive for both your sake and Swampy,s

I know you will do whatever it takes wether its what the vet suggests or what you know is best for him ,just stay positive :hug: :hug:

Wise Counsel, Kate, from Bonnielass.  Thinking of you both  :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 18, 2009, 11:04:33 AM
thanks xx

Swampy's most pressing problem is he can't keep food down, especially in the mornings.  Locum thinks it's all stomach acid so I have given him 1/4 prilosec this morning to try (he vomited after eating after zantac). However he makes metallic glug noises from his muck swallowing from his nose, when he eats. He's always vomited up food when his nose is snotty and with his CRF it's got worse. Just refed him again now with a small assist meal (all he's kept down today is a tiny meal on his own from 6am). The last one came up after 1 hour, just as we started to think it was going to stay down.

Yesterday I managed to get snot out of his nose (ok he sneezed out a lot) so kept down far more food. I give him bisolvon but mix it in with an assist meal (anything too liquid makes him sick when he's so snotty). That assumes he can keep the assist meal down.

OH met the locum yesterday and he says he doesn't feel right about her. We are both anxious as our vet is away until monday week. I think I must try to decongest Swampy and hope that in the afternoons he will keep some food down, at least 1/2 can. On his own, he only eats enough for a mouse now and he won't eat k/d or a/d by himself and they have the calories.
He lay in the bed with me most of the night. That's lovely but I wonder if under the duvet makes him snottier?
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 18, 2009, 16:00:32 PM
Just popping in to send more healing vibes~~~~Look after yourselves!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 18, 2009, 18:17:32 PM
just looked at my notes. Swampy started frusemide on 25th sept when he weighed 4.5kgs. He then lost exactly 300g to 4.2kgs quite quickly and then a week later another 200g suddenly (one day to the next) to 4kgs. Now between his birthday on friday and saturday morning he lost 300g. I would like the locum to X ray him to see just how much fluid he does have as I'm beginning to suspect that the diuretic is making him lose these sudden 2 - 300gs in weight and that it's not the more gradual CRF weight loss (I may be totally wrong). I just hope she will agree. She was muttering something about Xrays being difficult on saturday. My vet doesn't have them printed, but they are on a software system so linked straight from the Xray machine into his PC.

If he has no or minimal fluid, it may be worth the risk to stop the frusemide except on his sub cut days. I think the sudden weight loss of 800g in 3 weeks is finishing him off. That and his snot making him bring up his food. THAT is worse in the morning, perhaps as he's been less upright all night. He tends to sleep more curled up.
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Post by: bunglycat on October 18, 2009, 18:53:22 PM
I know Bungly is different -but my vet told me she doesn''t really need the frusemide now and to give it if i think she needs it - i haven''t given her any now for almost a week and she is eating better again now- maybe its worth a try !?
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Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 18, 2009, 19:20:47 PM
I have just been catching up with Swampy.

I am really sad at the 2nd photo of him as it shows how much weight he has lost  :hug:

Look hun, If you think he is better with the steroids then carry on with them. We got another 6wks because of the steroids.
Mark said something to Me that was spot on (something like) "Vets may have had the years of training but sometimes we know our cats better and what is right for them". I proved I knew what was best for Issey and both my vets have said that she ony lasted the time she did because of Me.

Kate, before Issey I didnt understand what you were really going through.....now I understand, I totally understand the desperation to keep Swampy going, coupled with the constant worry of doing the right thing.
Sending you and Swampy much love  :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 19, 2009, 04:37:13 AM
I defo think you know Swampy best Kate....I would go with what you think best at this stage.... :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 19, 2009, 10:57:40 AM
He's vomiting most of his meals, especially the assist meals, about 1/2 hour to 1 hour after eating. The only ones he maybe keeps down are small assist meals that I give within a short time of his vomiting (when he must have vomited out the muck). He keeps down the tiny amount he eats himself (teaspoons) or any water he drinks.  He makes metallic sort of glugging noises when he swallows food, which I am sure is his cold muck going down. On saturday he sneezed out a lot of yellow muck and as a result he kept all his food down. How can I make him sneeze?

I am going to fetch injections of baytril and cerenia from the vets shortly to try. I am praying so hard that the baytril works again as it stopped working towards the end of his course (Friday). I know it's soon to do it again, but we don't have much choice. I need to get rid of the snot - inhalations don't seem to work well. I need to irritate his nose so he sneezes it all out.
He is quite cheerful which doesn't make this any easier to bear.
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Post by: Leanne on October 19, 2009, 12:59:23 PM
I agree with the other purrs peeps, no one knows Swampy like you do  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 19, 2009, 13:41:00 PM
Positive vibes that the injections will work on him fast and make him feel much better~~~~Thinking of you both!  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 19, 2009, 13:46:26 PM
How can I make him sneeze?



Think this might be a stupid idea but its all i can think of........pepper ?
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 19, 2009, 15:50:31 PM
I had a mad moment. The first baytril injection ended up in a wet fur situation on his back so I must have just shot it straight through like an idiot. She had given me tomorrow's so I had to use that instead (I did check). Still haven't given the off label cerenia injection as am nervous about it. The vet nurse told me to give him about 2mls food every 1/2 hour to see if he tolerated that. So far so good. But he will get so little food in him like that. I will try 5mls later and if that stays down, maybe 10mls.

I asked that the vet ring me up to discuss his meds, which to give and which not as he is vomiting and how he is, but don't think it's going to happen. So I emailed my questions to her.  It seems that I'm supposed to channel all my questions (and get answers) through the nurses and she is displeased by our disagreement on saturday and just thinks that I've ignored her advice on steroids, so why should she bother I think. It is such a difficult time and I really do need a good vet's support. My vet isn't back until next monday which is a long way off right now.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 19, 2009, 18:37:54 PM
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so why should she bother I think.

Because you care about your cat, you seek to check information provided (sensible if you're not sure) and you're paying the bill at the end of the day too!  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 19, 2009, 19:39:41 PM
one of the nurses emailed me to say the vet would call at the end of consults. She didn't. I just get so upset. I would never join a one vet practice again as you get landed with locums.
Poor Swampy is so weak. He is only getting a few mls of food every 40 mins or so. I think he's so tired from yesterday's vomiting. I just hope and pray he won't vomit again today with the teeny meals. He did eat a little tiny bit of pate on his own, but nothing like a real meal. I didn't give the injected cerenia yet so hope the stuff doesn't go off - have stored it in a kitchen drawer. That was one of my questions for the vet.
Also could I skip the frusemide, hardly a trivial question.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on October 19, 2009, 22:14:53 PM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on October 19, 2009, 22:17:35 PM
Can you ring them and tell them you were promised a call and no-one has rung you and tell them you need to be able to ask their advice after all you are a paying customer .
My vets is only him and one other -but when i have rung them i have either most of the time been able to speak to them or had a call back within 10 mins at the most .
I once rang Mr Owen  3 times one night as Smartie had it coming out of both ends at once and i was panicking a bit (lot!)
I rang at 1030pm , 12am , 1.30 am  and spoke to him every time -on the last call he told me if he hadn''t stopped being sick ( after telling me to keep him hydrated , syringe 5mls water etc ) after another hour to ring him back and he would meet me at the surgery - or if it calmed down to come in first thing in the morning- luckily he stopped shortly after and i went in first thing in the morning ( after sitting up all night with him)- he was fine within 48 hours !
I am sorry your vet isn''t so compassionate or understanding .
 :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 20, 2009, 11:42:22 AM
Thinking of you all, I know that whatever you decide with ref to his meds will be in Swampy's best interest! Best of luck!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 21, 2009, 15:18:51 PM
Sending my love to you all! Give Swampy a head rub from me please!  ;) :Luv2: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 21, 2009, 15:24:07 PM
 :thanks: :hug:
He's off to the vet yet again as she doesn't do phone calls. I will get her to show me how to decongest using the pediatric drops.
I am becoming convinced that the antibiotics are what is causing the vomiting. I know she's keen on the drug she prescribed (prilosec) but he had it on sunday, which was one of his worst days.
My usual vet uses sulcrafate so maybe she will think about that. A lot of it is his cold (he makes glug noises when he swallows) so I guess he needs to stay on antibiotics unfortunately.

I have joined another yahoo group so hope to get more help on assist feeding as that is what causes vomiting. He doesn't vomit otherwise. Maybe I am doing it wrong, wrong angle, dunno. He never vomits food that he eats by himself.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 21, 2009, 15:27:28 PM
Was the abs in inj form? Otherwise it may just be coincidence as in tablet form they kick in much slower!  :shify:

Could you make the tube feeding any slower maybe? I dont know but hope that new group will give you some more info!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 21, 2009, 15:36:04 PM
Is Swampy being tube feed now ?    :(   (sorry if i have missed something )
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Millys Mum on October 21, 2009, 15:44:38 PM
Is Swampy being tube feed now ?    :(   (sorry if i have missed something )

Syringed i think.

Is he throwing up soon after hes fed or later on, small feeds or bigger ones? Before milly got her peg tube she had some syringed meals as she wasnt eating enough, she kept hers down but wasnt swallowing snot with them.
I fed her to the side of her mouth, towards her cheek slowly allowing her to swallow each lot.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 21, 2009, 16:05:52 PM
Is Swampy being tube feed now ?    :(   (sorry if i have missed something )

Sorry my error!  :-[ :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 21, 2009, 16:08:22 PM
Is Swampy being tube feed now ?    :(   (sorry if i have missed something )

Sorry my error!  :-[ :hug:

No worries BM   :care:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 21, 2009, 20:11:19 PM
no he eats on his own but not enough, so gets syringe fed.  If he throws up, it's usually 1/2 hour to 1 hour afterwards, then if I refeed it stays down. I do do it slowly but now I am giving only 10mls, I hope it will go better. Before I was doing 20mls which is maybe too much.
The locum wasn't nice to him today and he did something he's never done. He tried to bite her. I've never been so proud of him! Plus it shows he still has fight in him. He loathes her just as much as his first vet when he was a kitten.  He's now on marbocyl so let's hope it works.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on October 21, 2009, 22:13:56 PM
I like the sound of your vets as much as Swamy does - they do sound horrible i must say .
Hope Swampy keeps his food down and gets stronger  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 22, 2009, 02:08:40 AM
Hoping the new abs will have some significant effect on him!  :Luv2: :hug:

Good on you Swamp's for trying to bite that nasty vet, your mum should of taken over from you methinks!  ;) :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 22, 2009, 09:58:35 AM
She's not nasty, just reminds me of the french vets my boys had who for the most part were very distant and cool. And if they clock off at 6.30 then they punch the clock exactly on cue. But I am sick of it and wish that there was another really good vet in the area as then I would go there instead. The only other good one is away himself until november.
It is just so stressful that all messages have to be relayed via the nurse. I think she only finds time to call people with blood test results. She is fine when you go in for an appointment, but there are no follow ups.
Swampy's history is complicated and I'm tired and not an easy client as I have questions almost daily. I am going to email. She won't read it but the nurse will (hopefully).
Would never join a 1 man band practice again I don't think. Having said that, the others in this area are so dire......don't think any great vets choose to live around here basically.

Swampy's cold is not good. He's making intermittent putt-putt bubbly noises, like a mini motor. He's had some food this morning so am hoping he will keep it down.

thanks - Bazsmum are you always up at such horrible hours? I thought it was just me!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on October 22, 2009, 10:35:48 AM
Awww bless swampy he knows a vet when he senses one  ;)

 :hug: :hug: :hug: more vibes and hugs for you
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 22, 2009, 11:02:50 AM
Finger's crossed he manages to keep the food down Kate and the new abs help the snottiness go!  ;) :Luv2: :hug:

I feel like the "undead" at the mo! My sleeping pattern is very odd, but I am a worrier so anything bother's me....I stay awake!  :shocked: :tired: :hug:

Love to you all!  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 22, 2009, 12:38:46 PM


Swampy's cold is not good. He's making intermittent putt-putt bubbly noises, like a mini motor.


Poor little man  :(
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 23, 2009, 17:11:30 PM
How's Swampy today, less snotty I hope!  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 23, 2009, 17:37:42 PM
thanks, well he had a nice hour on the roof in unexpectedly warm sunshine. Then I brought him in as thought it was too cold, only for the sun to come out again (stupid old mum). He had some fluids yesterday and I think they helped him feel a bit better.
The locum said his X ray was clear but she doesn't show you, the way my usual vet does. I'm trying to get to speak to her before she leaves tomorrow (usual vet back monday and will be frantically busy) but so far no luck. I want to ask her if the X ray is totally clear, or a bit of fluid is around, as if it's totally clear maybe he can have a few more sub cuts than if not. Plus she hates diuretics whereas my usual vet thinks he should be on them and she uses the diuretic spiro-something, whereas he only uses frusemide. It's quite confusing so want to sort out what she thinks (she told me she has 21 cats!) before she is uncontactable again.

Btw does kaminox irritate the tummy of anyone else's CRF cat? I'm sure it does Swampy's.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 24, 2009, 09:43:58 AM
long chat with the vet last night. She leaves today though. She's pleased with Swampy and how strong he is despite his CRF. Only thing is, we need a safe way to make him sneeze. Ideas? In Italy they get nebuliser/vaporisers for decongesting infants - a vaporiser with a tube and mask attached (I've seen them in France too). You put a cat in his carrier and cover it and run the tube of steam into it.  Does anyone know if you can get them here as I've had no luck? Right now, our inhalations consist of diving under the duvet with a saucepan of boiling water and Swampy turns his back!

He ate a good brekker this morning by himself but then regurg'd it. She wants him back on sub cuts and no diuretics. My usual vet had said diuretics for life. She said if his heart was dodgy he'd not have had a pleural effusion but (like Max who had a bad heart) odema. She says frusemide saved his life but his weakness was from the fast weight loss and potassium depletion that it causes and his last X ray was totally clear. So he'll be back on 40mls 3x a week. The fluids she gave him on thursday made him feel better.
I want him to sneeze though! She put some saline drops for babies in his nose and he swallowed them instead of sneezing them.  She told me not to give up hope (and to try to reduce his steroids).

Btw she also said she is dismayed by the UK vet (and often client) attitude both to treatment of old pets and also sub cuts and hopes that these old attitudes are changing.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 24, 2009, 10:38:34 AM
Im sure your head must be all over the place with all this chop and change of meds etc!  :hug:

Not an expert but it did seem weird to go from daily subs to such a significant drop!  :shocked:

Does he go in a cat carrier for his trips Kate? Wonder wether you could get some steam in one with a towel over that?

Thinking of you all and sending more positive healing vibes to the gorgeous man himself (Swampy not your hubby lol!) x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 24, 2009, 16:27:50 PM
Was she a foreign vet Kate ?
What was her name ?
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 24, 2009, 19:28:16 PM
Was she a foreign vet Kate ?
What was her name ?

I only know her first name, Irene, and yes she is Italian. She is working in England before opening her own clinic in Milan. She's a general vet but specialises in eyes. Do you need to find someone in Europe then? I could try to find out more details.

Yes, Bazsmum, Swampy has an extra large carrier, like a recovery cage. Because it's wire he gets less stressed than if he was "in" something. I think we'd need the steam funnel if we used it. He won't happily go into any smaller carriers. Looks like we'll have to keep on steaming up under the duvet. The problem is that the saucepan water gets cool too fast too.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on October 24, 2009, 19:44:02 PM
Was she a foreign vet Kate ?
What was her name ?

I only know her first name, Irene, and yes she is Italian. She is working in England before opening her own clinic in Milan. She's a general vet but specialises in eyes. Do you need to find someone in Europe then? I could try to find out more details.




No it was only that the lady vet from my practice has just left and she is foreign, dont know where she she gone (they are not allowed to say) so wondered if it was her
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Kay and Penny on October 24, 2009, 22:01:39 PM
would those small hand held steam cleaners delivery enough steam to be of any use, Kate?

mine has a quite narrow nozzle on the end of a hose, which sounds like what you are wanting
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 25, 2009, 10:36:05 AM
 :thanks: can you give me the name of the cleaner please then I can have a look?

It's so frustrating as the infant vaporiser/nebulisers are in every decent pharmacy in France and italy. We are going into the sun on the bed now I hope for 2 hours until it goes.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Kay and Penny on October 25, 2009, 11:06:49 AM
it's no longer made, Kate

but I did find this for sale on Amazon http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B000LN5FYW
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 25, 2009, 13:01:00 PM
What about those facial steamer's?

Hope that you manage to find something as Im sure it would help him out!  :Luv2:

Thinking of you all!  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 25, 2009, 19:34:38 PM
Hi, facial steamers?! sorry I am clueless  - can you tell me more what those are, thanks!  I know it has to be a diffuser/vaporiser that isn't letting the steam just go into the room as I have one of those for myself and it's useless for him. I looked on amazon (thanks Trigger x) and see they have a nebuliser which is sort of what I want but don't think it can work like a vaporiser. (nebuliser has a funnel and tube/mask). I may ring the co that makes them to ask if they can work as steam diffusers as that would be perfect.
Our shower doesn't give off enough steam to decongest, even with the door shut, it just makes enough for mould :(

Swampy's symptoms are sometimes worse, sometimes better so have washed all the bedding v hot today in case dust mites are making him worse. He dries up quite a bit in front of the halogen heater which gives off such dry heat.
thanks  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bonnielass on October 25, 2009, 19:54:49 PM
Kate ,    Vick does a warm steam room vaporizer that might do the trick its about £30 i think ,try googling it and see what you think, they also do a vapo steam inhaler, both are for rooms not personel use :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Kay and Penny on October 25, 2009, 20:02:57 PM
I think the one you mean BL is the one in the Amazon link below - reviewers mention using it for bunged up children so it sounds the right sort of thing
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 25, 2009, 23:54:38 PM
I meant this type Kate!  ;)
http://health-beauty.shop.ebay.co.uk/Facial-Saunas-/116882/i.html?_armrs=1&_mdo=Health-Beauty&_mspp=&_pcats=11863%2C26395

Have you looked to see if they have the original ones you were looking for on Ebay Kate?  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 26, 2009, 18:18:20 PM
Thinking of you all and hoping Swampy is having a good day!  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 26, 2009, 18:41:32 PM
Thanks for the suggestions, much appreciated! I think the saucepan under the duvet probably works as well as anything, given that the vaporiser/diffusers are all 'into the room's air' type and not with a mask or funnel. I just can't find any of those on ebay or anywhere else. I don't know the french for what they are called there either.

Swampy went outside for 1/2 an hour in the sun (purr purr) and lay on the bed for 2 hours in the sun this morning (ditto) and had a small plate of k/d by himself this morning. Lots of purrs today. He is becoming less hydrated though, I think the extra hydration made him feel better. I wish I could give him sub cuts every day but it's just too risky. Depending on how he is, the locum vet said every 3rd day, 40mls.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 27, 2009, 00:24:01 AM
What do they think on that US forum Kate about the dramatic change in his sub cuts?  :hug:

So glad he has had some sun and food! Im sure he will of had much pleasure from both!  :Luv2:

Be well you all! x
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 27, 2009, 10:38:58 AM
The owner of the CRF 'bible' site emailed me to suggest cutting the sub cuts only if Swampy's heart was affected which we hope and don't think it is. So we can start them again and he'll have to have an X ray now and then to see if fluid is building up. He can't have them every day though, it's too risky. He is drinking more by himself as his CRF worsens. Before he hardly drank anything which was a bit odd.

One of the Americans had a cat with a bad cold too and she used a fresh onion (cut) under her cat's nose, which her vet said was safe if a bit eccentric! It made her cat sneeze so we'll try it before I cook this evening. He let go a bit of snot this morning from his under the duvet saucepan inhalation (saucepan doesn't stay steamy long enough though). I got quite a bit of it, but he swallowed the rest and then vomited it up. It's definitely that making him sick. It's odd as mostly his nose is dry, but then suddenly he starts to snort. Hates having it cleaned!
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 27, 2009, 11:52:16 AM
Glad to hear he is drinking now of his own accord, odd how he was'nt before as this is a CRF symptom!  :shocked: :hug:

Hope the onion trick works! It must be awful having all that mucus, even the word makes me want to  :sick:  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sarasara on October 27, 2009, 12:51:48 PM
Hang in there swammaxmum, praying for you both. :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 27, 2009, 16:39:54 PM
 :hug: thank you
just started him on Lysine. Can't do any harm afaik? My vet is hopeless at anything non drug.  Swampy's coat is so shiny & he's purring still such a lot so I must do everything I can to keep him like that. At least because of my own health issues, I can be with him almost 24/7.
He sleeps in my arms every night now and purrs himself to sleep. I think his tum feels better with the frequent, small meals (either on his own or assist) and also I give very little kaminox now. I think it irritates CRF tummies. The locum suggested Tumil K potassium powder instead. I have no real idea of the dose, just add a little bit to each meal and mix it well in.

I bought Solgar Lysine so let's hope it works.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sarasara on October 27, 2009, 17:26:15 PM
Poor Swampmaxmum and poor swampy. Praying for you and thinking of you both.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 27, 2009, 18:17:57 PM
Adding my love to you both, Kate.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sarasara on October 27, 2009, 18:38:34 PM
hang in there Swampy's mum and Swampy, praying for you both.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Gillian Harvey on October 27, 2009, 18:45:35 PM

I bought Solgar Lysine so let's hope it works.


Thats a good brand, its the one I used to use. I wouldnt give him the full dose straight away - build it up gradually, amino acids like Lysine can cause tummy upsets in some cats (not all) if not slowly introduced.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 27, 2009, 19:00:14 PM
many thanks Gillian. He's had about 500g less whatever gets lost in the mix (quite a bit I expect) and I do have to give him some lactulose tonight too, so I'll only give 0.5mls I think just in case.
Since he stopped kaminox, he needs lactulose again.  I wonder if they have any of the same amino acids in them?
If it is going to work, do you know how long it takes? He's had snottiness since kittenhood so am not expecting too much, just to have less muck going down would be great.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 28, 2009, 14:08:57 PM
I saw my usual vet today for a chat when I popped in for my gelcaps. He seems eager to please now that he's refreshed and had all his choices second guessed by the Italian locum! I told him Swampy is doing well in some ways (esp off that horrible frusemide) and the main issue now is the snot.  He (I think) wants him off marbocyl and back on to synulox - which doesn't work. Anyhow I have booked to take the Swampcat in tomorrow. The vet asked if Swampy had missed him so I said he was storing up another bite, just for him  :evillaugh:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 28, 2009, 14:11:35 PM
Bet your glad to have him back especially with his renewed positive outlook!  :wow:

Positive vibes for Swampy's visit tomorrow....and hope there is no biting this time!  :evillaugh: :Luv2: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 29, 2009, 15:37:44 PM
No, Swampy was very calm. He even let the vet hold him for a bit. He's a little bit lighter than last week on the baby scales, 0.05g or something.  My vet wasn't pleased by his being given marbocyl as apparently it makes giving other antibiotics a problem as none of the others are quite as strong. He wants Swampy off all antibiotics from today and we will try some virbagen eye drops to see if that helps at all, plus Lysine. Swampy had a good day yesterday (probably because his nose snot all came out and I could wipe it up) but not as good today. He gave me Lacto B to try but said it may also make him sick (?)

Swampy also fell off the bed at lunchtime (but is ok thank God). I left him unattended while I went to get his food. About 2 mins. Swampy chased the sun to the edge of the bed and fell off. He'd been asleep when I left him. Just shows just how quickly things can happen.
I had him on Purina NF yesterday but back on to A/D today as I think it has more calories and what he eats by himself has almost none -senior turkey pate.  We didn't do bloods today as he had saline put up his nose (didn't mind too much: I'm supposed to do it at home for him too) and we thought that was enough excitement for the day.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on October 29, 2009, 15:54:08 PM
 :hug: :hug:  Glad he was able to get rid of his snotty nose, bless him.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on October 30, 2009, 11:04:38 AM
not the greatest Swampy photo in the world, but his belated birthday present arrived this morning. I didn't know what to give him on October 16th, then was browsing while his usual blanket was in the wash and found this one, in "his" colour  ;)  It's german, none of that made in kitty-cruel China as well so his mum's happy about that too.
I think he approves as the purr count went up immediately. He's in front of the halogen heater on it, about to be moved to the feeble sun in the bedroom. He's a bit slower since coming off the marbocyl, don't know if that's usual or not?

anyhow he's a bit scrunched up but here he is, about 1/2 hour ago: (http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/P1020301.jpg)
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: bunglycat on October 30, 2009, 11:12:36 AM
 :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on October 30, 2009, 13:37:05 PM
Gosh sorry to hear he fell out of bed, glad to hear he was okay though Im sure you panicked for England over it!  :hug:

Yay for the snot coming out, Im sure that will make him feel a lot more pleasant!  :Luv2: :hug:

That piccie of him is lovely, just look at his shiney coat!  :wow:

Thinking of you all!  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sarasara on October 30, 2009, 13:51:22 PM
Wow what a beautiful pussy, so nice to see a picture of Swampy. :Luv2:
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Post by: bonnielass on October 30, 2009, 16:20:24 PM
In spite of everything Kate he still looks wonderful :Luv: and his coat is so shiny :wow:
Hes a credit and testamont to all the love and care hes recieved from you over the last year since his accident :hug: :hug:
Glad hes managed to get rid of some of his snot :sick: he must feel a lot better :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on October 31, 2009, 11:00:45 AM
Awwww that's a lovely piccy!  :Luv:
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Post by: Mark on October 31, 2009, 11:49:29 AM
He looks lovely Kate -  I love his rich chocolately coat  :Luv2:

btw - we did reptiles in college yesterday and they did a bit about lamps. They said the best for vitamin D3 are the mercury vapour lamps but the downside was having to be very careful due to poisoning if they break.

I will see if I can find the powerpoint slide and post it later.

Edit - not sure how to copy text from a powerpoint slide but it doesn't really tell you much more than that they are very powerful, cover a much larger area than a fluorescent lamp, provide heat as well as light and are the closest to sunlight.

I didn't realise how expensive they are  :Crazy: - this is a cheaper brand  :Crazy: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Exo-Terra-Solar-Glo-Mercury-Vapour-Lamp-125W-reptile_W0QQitemZ400076460517QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Pet_Supplies_Reptiles_Spiders_Insects?hash=item5d266a51e5

The powersun ones (that he had on the slide) are double the price  :Crazy:

AND he said it is important that they are changed every 6 months (for reptiles) as they lose their efficiency.
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Post by: swampmaxmum on October 31, 2009, 16:40:56 PM
many thanks Mark  :hug:

yes he's lost a lot of weight after the pleural effusion and the frusemide, but his coat's still very shiny. He loves being brushed too which helps. He's a bit quiet and subdued after his antibiotics but we'll see how we go. I can apparently put him back on them if necessary. I don't think they work on his cold (virus) but maybe help in other ways. I'm hoping his steroids make him brighter plus he had a few sub cut fluids today (35mls) which makes him brighter too a bit.
Only thing is he drank water 1 1/2 hours after having his steroids and then vomited a bit. I wonder/hope that that's long enough to have fully absorbed the dose?
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Post by: Bazsmum on October 31, 2009, 16:44:28 PM
Bless him!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:

Are the steroids in tab form? Think they should of been in his system by then (hope so anyway!)  :hug:

Abs have no effect on a cold whatsoever!  :tired: Only if there is infection related to it!  ;) :hug:

Thinking of you both and hoping you have a good weekend!  :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 01, 2009, 14:06:47 PM
Yes, he has pred tablets. I think most of it was absorbed. Certainly he was a lot more sensible and awake last night.

Today I played his purring through the speakers. It sounds like a lion  ;D
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Post by: Bazsmum on November 01, 2009, 16:14:46 PM
Great news!  :wow:

Have you managed to record his purrs yet then?  :Luv2:

Thinking of you all!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on November 01, 2009, 16:29:31 PM
Wonderful news  :wow:
Hope he continues to have many more good days and nights despite this lousy weather :( :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 01, 2009, 17:04:37 PM
Great news!  :wow:

Have you managed to record his purrs yet then?  :Luv2:

yes, used Audacity, which saved to WAV and .aud but can't work out how to do it in MP3 :(  and I used iMovie. I have 2 mins of purring. I connected the laptop to the speakers and played his purrs. Wonderful. I highly recommend it for anyone to do, especially if your much loved cat is poorly. I wish I had the skills to put it as a soundtrack to a little video clip of Swampy.

He's parked in front of the halogen heater. I'd taken the steroids down to 1, which seems to have been what made him slower and less reponsive. I took it up by 1/4 pill and he felt better. I spoke to my usual vet about it and he said he thinks it's very important to keep him happy and purring and if the 1/4 extra helps then to do it, even if it's not as good for his CRF as a lower dose.
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Post by: Bazsmum on November 01, 2009, 17:08:40 PM
You need a convertor from WAV to MP3....  ;)  :hug:

http://www.nch.com.au/switch/

Here's another!   http://download.cnet.com/Free-Mp3-Wma-Converter/3000-2140_4-10442362.html
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 01, 2009, 22:15:18 PM
Issey was on pred tablets for months

but i found the injections so much better, really did give her a new lease of life
she had Dexafort...(goes on weight)
wonder if it would be worth speaking to your vet about them
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 02, 2009, 12:11:57 PM
 :thanks: Swampy was on injections after his accident but if he can keep down his pred, it works nicely on him. He's going to the vet on thurs for bloods, if all is well until then. His mum's very nervous. I know his CRF is worse, but at least today it's sunny and he is purring his head off on the bed next to me bless him.
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Post by: Leanne on November 02, 2009, 15:03:18 PM
Lots more vibes and hugs for the swampy family  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on November 02, 2009, 16:41:07 PM
Best of luck for his blood's on Thursday....So glad he is having loads of lovely, purry snoozes with the one's he loves the mostest!  :Luv2: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 03, 2009, 13:02:06 PM
I'm getting fussed about having to feed him a/d when I assist feed. He eats senior pate by himself but I tried to assist feed him renal food blended and it's so liquid (no water even added) that it mixes with his snot and he tends to vomit.
He's far more likely to keep down a/d. It's high in calories too which is good. I suppose a/d is better than nothing.

He had a little sub cuts again (30ml) and they do definitely help him to feel better. Yesterday after just 15mls he was much more purry and contented. The vet says 50mls 3x a week but I'm wondering if I shouldn't split that into little amounts every day or at worst every other day. Does anyone who has done sub cuts have an opinion on what would work best? Swampy is drinking a lot more now as his CRF worsens.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on November 03, 2009, 15:40:27 PM
I'd stick to the ad Kate, at least he keep's it down which will be a big worry off!  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sarasara on November 03, 2009, 16:10:16 PM
 :hug: The bravest mum and pussy  :hug: on the planet is Swampmaxmum  :Luv2: and the Great Swampy  ;)
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sarasara on November 04, 2009, 12:32:10 PM
Rooting for you both Swampmaxmum and Swampy, hope that all  is well today and all the fans of Swampy will be praying for you both.
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 04, 2009, 12:58:37 PM
 :thanks: xxxx  He's had 2 good days but today is more difficult. His cold got worse overnight, no idea why. I'd thought the L Lysine was working nicely to free up the snot. Freed up snot = mum can clean it up so Swampy feels a lot better and doesn't vomit. He whoopsed up his pred dose about 25 mins after having it so I assumed (I hope correctly) that it had come up - vet's nurse thinks so - although I couldn't see it and believe me I do inspect what comes up! But it had been in a gelcap so impossible to know. Anyhow he has to have his pred so I gave it again. I hope it's not a double dose as that will not do wonders for his snottiness.
some sun to lie in on the bed, but far too cold to take him out  - I so wish we had a door there, then could just let him pop in and out for a minute or two to get some fresh air. Climbing through the window for just a few minutes disappoints him as he gets his harness on and purrs and and expects warmth.....and then it's cold. So I leave him inside now with his heater.


Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on November 04, 2009, 15:40:21 PM
Bless him, chances are he did bring it up being so soon after taking it!  :hug:

This snotty nose lark must be a real pain for you both, his sense of smell must be suffering also which wont help his appetite!  :( :hug:

Thinking of you all and hoping his nose calms down....Best of luck for tomorrow!  :Luv2: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 05, 2009, 05:46:23 AM
my biggest fear is that I'd do something stupid, make a wrong decision which would harm him and finish him off. It feels like that now. Clearly although he vomited twice just 20 mins after having his steroids, he did keep them down. He's had a double dose. I've been up with him all night as he can't rest and just wants to walk, wee and move about as is so agitated. It's so bad for his CRF, his cold and all this walking is too much. I hope and think that it will wear off but in the meantime I can't help thinking that I've now gone and done it. I got away with the sub cut mistake but now this. I've put him in front of his halogen heater and he lies there for 5 mins then gets up, then I try to calm him, another 5 mins and he gets up again. I am a complete idiot. I didn't wait yesterday to see if the steroids had worked, as he was weak in the morning and he needed them. But he didn't need a double dose. He was last like this a year ago but was much stronger then. Please please hope that he will recover ok.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sarasara on November 05, 2009, 09:36:21 AM
When I lost my little Chequie  :scared: from cancer of the oesophagus I blamed myself and still do, yet any rational observer would say I did my best and of course made loads of mistakes in hindsight. Unlike humans or dogs, cats are extremly delicate, complicated creatures and any sickness seems to be devastating for them. I have never heard of anyone who has done so much for their pussy as you Swampmaxmum, nor such a great fighter like the Great  ;) Swampy.

Naturally no matter how hard you try you will never feel that you have done enough. The rules change everyday, entirely new complications present themselves. If a sick cat was as good as writing as being ill it would be Charles Dickens. It's hard to keep up with all the changes, all the challenges, all the decisions. Hard to know exactly what to do right and having done something after much worry and thought that turns out to wrong one should not blame oneself but one does.

Hugs to you and Swampy, one day he will leave for the rainbow bridge, we all will, and you will have done all you can and more.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 05, 2009, 10:48:35 AM
thanks Sarasara.  :hug:  I am so tired that everything feels like a dungbeetle rolling a huge dung ball up kilimanjaro! The vet was more relaxed than me (he didn't spend the whole night up though did he) but Swampy wouldn't let him take enough blood to do all the necessary including his red and white count, just enough for biochem. Results back tonight or tomorrow and probably not very good as he is very dehydrated after vomiting up his water in the night. He doesn't normally do that, nor normally wee as often as the steroids made him wee. So we may have to repeat next week. He is to go on to 50mls sub cuts 3x a week, which I suppose is twice x every other day and then a 3 day break. The vet was in a rush this morning so guess what,we'll be back next week.  I still have to buy fortekor as he claims that the generic isn't licensed for cats for another month (?!!!).

Swampy is a bit calmer now and is in front of his heater and may have a snooze. He ate some k/d but so not enough so I'll have to prop it up with a/d.  I know I am doing just what I can for him as I love him so very much but when you make stupid mistakes that is hard to take, even stupid mistakes that aren't obviously deliberate. Thanks for your post though, made me feel better xxxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sarasara on November 05, 2009, 12:25:51 PM
Of course the one factor one does not take into account is one's own health. When it all gets too much it is often one's own tiredness and emotional exaustion that adds to one's stress and fear and feelings of inadequacy which is why it is important to look after mum as well as puss. Everyday is a bonus with Swampy and he would have long floated away had it not been for your persistant efforts and his wonderful understanding of his need to take his meds. What I found with Chequie was there came a point that she did not want anymore preds or antibiotics or vets and she increasingly wanted to be alone; not because she did not want me or was rejecting me as I naturally felt but because cats by nature when the end comes need to focuss their concentration ready for the off and their suffering reaches a pont that they need to give all their concentration to it, any intervention makes them afraid of being picked up or moved. Sadly one of my biggest mistakes was not to let her alone to die. She wanted to just go to a quite room in the house to do it, as my previous cat Baby wanted to go outside but died on the stone tiles in the hall, I was worried about the weather but I should have listened to him. It's hard because your duty is to never give up and that makes it extra hard to know when to let go or when puss is going. I hope you can get some good rest and that you are eating properly yourself. The one boon when Swampy does go is that all his poor suffering will be over, but for you a part of you will be gone and it will be difficult. The great bonus now is that you are still having precious moments together.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 05, 2009, 13:02:16 PM
oh Kate I hate reading that Swampy is suffering so much.....I hope he settles soon, poor baby xxx
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Post by: Bazsmum on November 05, 2009, 13:45:26 PM
Im sure the dose will be out of his system by now, he does have them daily!  ;)

You must not feel this way Kate, you in my book are doing everything you can for Swampy (much more than most could cope with)  :hug:

Please give yourself a mental break.....You need to be strong to do this for him!  ;) :hug: :hug:

Hoping and praying that Swampy will come round and start feeling a lot better!  :wish:
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Post by: swampmaxmum on November 05, 2009, 14:28:38 PM
thanks again  :hug:  He's calmer now as they do wear off in about 24-36 hours. The halogen heater is a godsend as no way could he make a radiator bed any more and he loves to be warm. The thing is, we'd had 2 really good days until I decided that I should regive the steroids yesterday. He was ok after that until night time when the steroids peaked. I hope he will sleep well tonight, as he'd done up until last night for quite a while now. As I was up all night, I posted on here at 6am in a bit of a frazzled state.

yes I know I should take better care of myself but I've had M.E/fibro for 20-odd years and insomnia so in a way I can cope as am used to feeling fairly ordinary every day and of course, it is Swampy I am caring for in his last days, so it is payback time for all the love and care he's given me all his life - it's a very isolating illness as I have been unemployed in various countries and he and Max have been there for me throughout.  No I don't eat well (does dark kitkat count?!) but not junk all day either. My "funny tea" (rooibos) gets drunk in gallons. I've always known with all my cats when they have had enough and because Swampy and I have an amazingly close bond and always have, I know I will know. I've made several compromises from the 'ideal' in the last few months as he ages and gets more feeble, like who cares what he eats and cutting non essential meds or supplements. The vet said I must put interferon up his nose 5 times daily and I just said I'm not doing that, sorry.
The most important thing is and always has been Swampy's quality of life. I swore when he had his accident that this would end when Swampy wanted it to, not when I was too tired. I don't have to work, I can do this. Your emotional support is really important though so thank you and bless & a purr from the choccy monster heater boy xx
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Post by: Leanne on November 05, 2009, 15:38:21 PM
Kate I read your post with tears in my eyes today  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you and swampy
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Post by: sarasara on November 05, 2009, 16:24:30 PM
Keep on truckin girl! :hug:
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Post by: bonnielass on November 05, 2009, 21:07:37 PM
Kate I read your post with tears in my eyes today  :hug: :hug: :hug: to you and swampy



This also brought me to tears Kate :( no-one could do so much for a cat as you have done for Swampy and n-one can imagine what you have gone through all this time, caring and loving not only Swampy but also Max and to cope with your illness on top of all this to my mind makes  you  :one very SPECIAL lady  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 06, 2009, 16:09:52 PM
His bloods are worse again. I am very upset with the vet. He told me I was chasing red herrings when I mentioned the calcium was a bit high last time. Last time Swampy's phosphorus was normal and I was told not to bother with binders. This time (the a/d food) it isn't so it and the calcium both above normal together is not good. So Swampy has either to be on a drip or at home on increased sub cuts. I am going to give him 100mls for the next 3 days, then take him in on monday. His assist food has now to be purina NF as unlike k/d it can be syringed and according to purina it is high in calories.   Any non assist food will have renalzin.
No meds with renalzin as I phoned Bayer who said not to as the renalzin could stop them working (vet didn't seem to realise that either). The locum is quite right in that it seems too many UK vets have no experience of palliative care of old animals.

Swampy's feeling better today and has been sitting on my lap purring and slept in my arms last night again with lots of purrs. He's tired after all his walking on wednesday night though.

thanks so much for the kind words. big hug to you all  :hug:
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Post by: sarasara on November 06, 2009, 17:25:56 PM
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Swampy's feeling better today and has been sitting on my lap purring and slept in my arms last night again with lots of purrs. He's tired after all his walking on wednesday night though.
That's good to hear Swampmaxmum and I hope that you are taking more care of yourself and eating better and getting some rest.  ;)  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Kirst on November 06, 2009, 17:54:08 PM
I don't oftern comment on here but I have followed it all the way though - I think you are amazing Kate , you have given Swampy so much in the last year and a bit , no cat could have been more loved. :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 07, 2009, 12:33:09 PM
Thanks and choccy purrs to you all for saying that and for your ongoing support  :hug: I promise you that anything I do for him is a zillionth of what he has given me in his 18 years. I've never known a cat like him and have had cats all my life. I know I never will either.  He went missing for a week when he was 18 months old too. I am so blessed that I got him back that time and we've shared our lives (and continents) for as long as we have.

He's not having one of his better days today but is enjoying the bit of sun (soon to disappear though :( ). I am so grateful for a lovely morning's sun for him when he isn't feeling well.  Please send him your vibes that he will pick up later on.
I've decided to keep giving him a/d but with binder in it as he seems weaker on the renal NF and doesn't like it much either. Does anyone actually know the difference (in how well it works) between aluminium hydroxide and renalzin? I've read a US site which suggests you can't really OD a cat on AH but not sure about renalzin? He has so many tiny meals and a/d can't be left out or it goes off so I can't just mix in one pump of renalzin and leave it for hours. So will have to put a tiny bit into each meal.

I am not a fan of fortekor (think it only works on some cats and then it does work well) but the diet thing is wow. His phosphorus was well within normal range on renal food until he was switched to a/d and I was told not to worry for the moment about binders. Within a month or so it's gone to quite a way above normal.
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Post by: Bazsmum on November 07, 2009, 13:54:46 PM
So sorry to read that you have been so ill for such a long time Kate!  :hug: :hug:

Here's wishing you both the very best of times ahead, much ease in his eating and keeping his meds down and most of all sun vibes for the man himself!  :Luv2: :hug:

Thinking of you all!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 08, 2009, 13:44:57 PM
He's going back to the vet tomorrow for more bloods as he wouldn't let them take 2mls last time. Plus a re-assessment of sub cuts. I can't give him 100ml a day. The locum said it would flood him and I am too scared to do it. Vet will be annoyed etc.
We are going to try another ab that is supposed to work well on snotty issues. That is the key for Swampy. If his nose/swallowing muck is better, everything else follows. If not, then everything deteriorates.
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Post by: bunglycat on November 08, 2009, 15:33:26 PM
Hope everything goes well at the vets tomorrow - wish you had a better and more understanding one though  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Lots of healing vibes for Swampy from us all here  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on November 08, 2009, 15:51:55 PM
Tons of positive vibes for Swampy at the vets~~~~Best of luck for his bloods!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:

100mls of subs a day to what he was put down to does sound too much, hey Kate if you followed every part of what vets have said to you Im sure there would of been more up's and down's in this...I think you know your Swampster enough now!  ;) :hug: :hug:
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Post by: sarasara on November 08, 2009, 18:04:04 PM
Hope all goes well for you and Swampy tomorrow.  :hug:  :hug:
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Post by: AliCat on November 08, 2009, 18:31:13 PM
Good luck for tomorrow!  :Luv:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on November 09, 2009, 15:32:12 PM
Hope the vet never gave you a rapping over the subs Kate....Thinking of you both today!  :Luv2: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 09, 2009, 18:53:23 PM
no it was ok, thanks. We're going for 40mls sub cuts a day. Also Zithromax antibiotic to see if it can help the snotty symptoms without any unpleasant side effects. I hope not as one pill lasts a week so presumably stays in his body a long time. Still waiting to hear about the bloods. Only the anaemia etc was done, not his urea and creatinine again as they were done last week.
What is tricky is juggling food and meds so that the meds aren't given near the food (renalzin binds with all meds, the vet and Bayer are sure). Little chap is very tired as doesn't enjoy going down there to the vet. His tail went fuzzy today he was so stressed.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sarasara on November 09, 2009, 23:50:35 PM
Poor little Swampy, what a shame the vet could not come out to him. I hope he bears up.  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on November 10, 2009, 02:43:45 AM
Ahh! 40mls sounds much better!  ;D hope the new abs work on his snottiness and best of luck for his blood test results....Thinking of you both,,, Im sure you will work the food/meds out, your rather good at juggling methinks!  ;) :Luv2: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 10, 2009, 19:20:00 PM
He's a little more anaemic but otherwise the same as last time. However is weaker which the vet thinks is potassium. I have to get double his current amount of potassium down him. Could use some ideas as:

- potassium on an empty tum makes him sick as it irritates the stomach lining.
- potassium is chewed up and nullified by binders
- Swampy has binders in all the food he eats in the afternoon and evenings; he doesn't have binder with the renal food in the mornings but already has potassium in that and it does tend to be less and more likely to be vomited than afternoon or evening
- the Tumil K and kaminox need a fair bit of food to be mixed in as the one is a lot of powder and the other 2mls liquid and his meals are all small
- potassium needs to be given 2 hours either side of binder sooooo

mornings or at night but with food so that he doesn't vomit. The vet said to try 5mls of a/d without binder during the night but if anyone has any ideas.....it can't be given by injection sadly.

I asked about Epogen and he said he'd look into it as it may help. The time frame for any problems is about 3- 4 months, IF they occur. It is very unlikely that Swampy has 3- 4 months anyhow. He said it can lead to anaphylaxis but I've not read anything about that on Tanya's CRF site. (????)
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: sarasara on November 11, 2009, 14:59:31 PM
Hope you get answers to all those questions Swapmaxmum. Hope little Swampy is doing well today.  :hug: :hug:
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Post by: Bazsmum on November 11, 2009, 15:24:15 PM
Cor that's a right lot for you to work out!!! Hope Swampy is feeling brighter today....Lots of love and good wishes from us all!  :Luv2: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Leanne on November 12, 2009, 10:05:28 AM
How is the swampster today  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 12, 2009, 13:02:18 PM
He's very tired but I think responded a little bit to the increased potassium. He's found his tray easily a couple of times, even though we moved its location.  I stopped kaminox in favour of Tumil K about 3 weeks ago and I think the lack of iron hasn't helped him. Kaminox is more likely to cause vomiting than tumil K but I'm going to try both. It's tricky when most food is with binder though.

Vet said I can try cornflour to thicken blended renal food as I mixed dry and wet k/d and although it is thick all right, Swampy thinks it is disgusting and he'd be right.

We have to decide whether to try Epogen, EPO, treatment is common in America but my vet's only used it twice in 13 years. So not sure he'd be too clued up on monitoring how it's working either as apparently that is mighty difficult.  I've had only 1 hour's sleep for 4 nights so the decision bounced at me is not good news.  OH says to email back and ask that the pros and cons, given Swampy's current bloods, be explained. I hope that happens.  Swampy is too tired, but whether it's because he's awake all night, a side effect of zithromax, anaemia or just old age we don't know.  I sent the vet the link to Tanya's CRF site which has a lot of interesting but confusing info and of course each cat's different. I just want to keep him comfy and not make things worse - or ignore the possibility of improving his quality of life in his last days.
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 12, 2009, 13:08:45 PM
Its so difficult knowing what to do  :hug:

What do you think Swampy wants to do Kate ? You are so connected with him that in your heart you must know the answer
Do you think he has had enough now - or do you think he wants you to keep trying different things ?
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 12, 2009, 13:22:33 PM
I think he'd like more energy.  When his steroids kick in, he is much happier. The vet knows we only try stuff that has a good chance of improving his quality of life.  Everything hinges on his quality of life.

In fact he is now on less treatment than before as we scale back to keep him from being poked with meds and he has injections at home when possible, which he sleeps through!  Our feeling is that although he has a short time left to live, he is still fighting and wanting to live. I've told him - I tell his head every day - that it is ok if he wants to give up now. 
I pray and really do think that we will know. We have an extremely close bond.

Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Kay and Penny on November 12, 2009, 13:23:00 PM
is there any food Swampy would love if his enjoyment of it was the only thing that mattered?

I think I would want to let him have what he would enjoy without anything added to it, or anything administered with it
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 12, 2009, 13:34:49 PM
I think he'd like more energy.  When his steroids kick in, he is much happier. The vet knows we only try stuff that has a good chance of improving his quality of life.  Everything hinges on his quality of life.

In fact he is now on less treatment than before as we scale back to keep him from being poked with meds and he has injections at home when possible, which he sleeps through!  Our feeling is that although he has a short time left to live, he is still fighting and wanting to live. I've told him - I tell his head every day - that it is ok if he wants to give up now. 
I pray and really do think that we will know. We have an extremely close bond.



Steroids are wonderful things....its my answer to everything now.


I'm glad that you feel he still wants to live  :hug:

My one fear with Issey was not knowing when the time was right but believe Me i have no regrets at all....the day she was pts was the right day, it wasnt too late or too early

xxxx
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 12, 2009, 13:56:43 PM
I was the same with Max. Although it's the most terrible decision, you are sure that it's right and there's a crumb of comfort and a lot of relief in that.

Swampy's symptoms change daily. If his lack of energy is due to anaemia, that is treatable. We want more info before deciding. Vet said we could put him in hospital on IV for 4 days and his CRF would pick up for a month but we decided that was too much for him. I'm trying to keep him at home.  My one big fear is something happens over a weekend and we have to go to the horrible vet who mistreated Max at the emergency vets.

Just did his sub cuts and stuck the needle right through my thumb  :Crazy:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: Bazsmum on November 12, 2009, 15:42:13 PM
OUCH!!!  :( :hug:

Sending much love and positive vibes Swampy's direction, hope he gets the extra energy he need through his steriods!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy fell, got head stuck and is in shock, pls help
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 13, 2009, 09:08:38 AM
Swampy suddenly deteriorated last night. He went into a coma like sleep for hours, not able to be roused. Then at 4am he woke up and I had to help him go to the tray. I found that he'd wet where he lay. He lay quietly next to me all night in front of his heater and at one point put his head on my face, thinking it was his pillow. I have told him to his little brown tufty head how loved he is inasmuch as I am able to tell him about love that is that strong. He has told me that he is now tired and it is his time. The vet is coming this afternoon around 1.30, I will know later.  I can't see to type. Thank you so much to everyone for your support these long 14 months of my nursing Swampy. I just hope I have repaid a tiny bit of the love and care that he's given me for 18 years. Please hope and pray that his passing will be peaceful.
There will and can never be another Swampy.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 13, 2009, 09:17:35 AM
I am so sorry Kate and I pray that Swampy's journey to the Bridge is a peaceful one.  He is a much much loved cat and he knows that and has been secure in that knowledge and that, I am certain, has helped him pull through all his ups and downs over the last 14 months.  He is tired now and has let you know what you need to do.  My thoughts are with you and we both had a cry together this morning.  Swampy is such a special special cat and I am so happy that I had the opportunity to meet him along with Max.  He will leave a big dent in your heart and will be missed by everyone.  Safe and peaceful journey Swampy I love you lots  :hug:
and for you Kate  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Dawn F on November 13, 2009, 09:18:05 AM
you are in my thoughts Kate, I'm sure that Swampy will pass peacefully - he isn't leaving you, you have years of memories which won't go anywhere  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Janeyk on November 13, 2009, 09:24:28 AM
My thoughts are with Swampy and you  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Wibblechick on November 13, 2009, 09:27:17 AM
Thinking of you both  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Liz on November 13, 2009, 09:28:37 AM
Kate we will be thinking of you and Swampy today, you have fought a very long and brave fight and done a wonderful job

Swampy will be reunited with Max and together they leave you golden memories :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: JackSpratt on November 13, 2009, 09:30:58 AM
You're right, Kate. There'll never be another Swampy, just as they'll never be another of any of the fur babes lost. But that doesn't mean Swampy's leaving you.

I hope that Swampys passing is peaceful and that you realise how amazingly strong you are to let him go when you feel it's his time. :care:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Leanne on November 13, 2009, 09:50:23 AM
 :hug: :hug:
I don't know what to say
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Christine (Blip) on November 13, 2009, 10:32:21 AM
My thoughts are with you and Swampy today.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Tan on November 13, 2009, 10:51:46 AM
Hun my love and thoughts will be with you both.  :'( :hug: He will always be with you. Right in your heart, whenever you need him he will be there.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 13, 2009, 10:55:22 AM
sending lots of love to you and swampy, my thoughts are with you today  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: CC & The Pussycat Guys & Dolls on November 13, 2009, 10:59:15 AM
So sorry to hear this news Kate  :hug:

Wishing Swampy a very peacefull passing and Im sure his brother will be waiting for him up on the bridge  :)

Good night God bless Swampy xxx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: tab on November 13, 2009, 11:07:38 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Kittybabe (Ruth) on November 13, 2009, 11:16:07 AM
Thinking of you both :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 13, 2009, 12:33:15 PM
(((((((((( KATE))))))))))

All my thoughts are with You and Swampy....

I pray that his final journey is peaceful

Love and hugs to You Kate

xxxxx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: moira on November 13, 2009, 12:41:45 PM
Thinking of you today.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: sarasara on November 13, 2009, 12:51:56 PM
Whatever happens come back and chat Swampmaxmum, we are all fans of the Great  :Luv2: Swampy and  his mum now and all concerned that his mummy will be well too, so don't be alone should Swamps have to give up his noble fight and leave for the Rainbow Bridge. Your attachment to each other will re-unite you both again one day of that I am sure. So please keep talking to us all so that we can be sure that you get some hugs  :hug: :hug: from us all as you go through the next phase. Dont be alone in your grief when the time comes. But may you both have every precious second possible together.  :scared:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on November 13, 2009, 12:54:53 PM
Thinking of you and Swampy with tears in my eyes.  I hope his passing is peaceful for both of you  :hug:  :hug:
Fly away Swampy and go play your brother Max at the bridge.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: AliCat on November 13, 2009, 13:01:35 PM
Thinking of you today.  :hug:

Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: clarenmax on November 13, 2009, 13:28:28 PM
Thinking of you Kate, and sending you all my strength for this afternoon  :hug: :hug:

They never leave us, they're always in our hearts, and Swampy will be reunited with Max on the Bridge xxxx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Kay and Penny on November 13, 2009, 13:39:41 PM
this is a sad day for all of us on Purrs, and especially for you Kate

but I really doubt anyone anywhere has done more for a beloved cat than you have done for Max and Swampy - and now this one final act of love :hug: :hug:

run free on the Bridge little man - sight and hearing restored
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Dawn F on November 13, 2009, 13:40:58 PM
totally agree with you trigger
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: Lottie (Team Svartalfheim's) on November 13, 2009, 13:43:04 PM
Thinking of you so much :hug:

Swampy has been so very brave and you have been the best cat slave he could have ever asked for  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: pappilon on November 13, 2009, 13:51:53 PM
Thinking of you and Swampy. :hug: :hug:x
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 13, 2009, 15:30:18 PM
thank you everyone.  Swampy passed away peacefully at 2.20 today, with his little tufty head resting on my knee, on his futon. Just before the vet came, the sun came out so he had a few minutes lying in the windowsill where Max passed away and where the 2 of them spent many happy hours sleeping.

The vet gave Swampy a sedative which made him fall fast asleep, then injected his kidney as he could not find a usable vein in his legs. We are going down to Dignity tomorrow for an individual cremation and will bring him home the same day. I am just hoping that the weather will not intervene for our journey as that would be awful.

Swampy's dad and I are heartbroken.  We put him in his little leopard bed that is in the France photos, like Max's one and we cut off the metal bits of his favourite red harness and draped that over him. It always made him purr as it meant he was going outside on to the roof.

I can't type any more. I just hope and pray he is at peace now, with Max and in the sun having a lovely reunion.

Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Dawn F on November 13, 2009, 15:33:37 PM
Kate, you went above and beyond the call of duty for your boys - you should have no regrets, he is at peace now  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: bunglycat on November 13, 2009, 15:33:56 PM
I am so sorry to hear this news - although i never met him i was so touched by his and your story and your devotion to each other.
I am pleased he went peacefully and am sure he is now with Max playing together.
Thinking of you at this sad time  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

 :candle:  RIP Little choclit angel
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: moira on November 13, 2009, 15:37:45 PM
Play hard at the bridge, little man. Never forgotten.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Liz on November 13, 2009, 15:39:11 PM
Kate so glad his pasing was peaceful now reunited with Max :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on November 13, 2009, 15:40:46 PM

................... I just hope and pray he is at peace now, with Max and in the sun having a lovely reunion.



I'm sure he is.  I think we all appreciate just how hard this must be for you after caring for him so selflessly for so long :care:  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Sootyca on November 13, 2009, 15:43:58 PM
I'm so sorry.   :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Janeyk on November 13, 2009, 15:44:12 PM
  :'(  :hug: :hug: 

RIP little Swampy, with your friend Max again now xx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Bazsmum on November 13, 2009, 15:58:59 PM
Oh Kate Sweetie, I read this in bits as I am sure you are.....I wish I had a magic wand to wave to make you all better!  :'( :hug: :hug: :hug:

RIP Sweet Swampy, play hard on the bridge reunited with darling Max xxx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: JackSpratt on November 13, 2009, 16:50:49 PM
Sending you hugs, Kate. Swampy will already have found Max, I bet....

RIP, Ch.ocolate Monster.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Yvonne on November 13, 2009, 17:21:16 PM
The bridge babes looked around their garden and found an empty place,
Then they looked down upon this earth and saw your loving face,
they put their paws around you and lifted you to rest,
their garden must be beautiful;  because they always take the best.

They knew that you were suffering;
they knew you were in pain,
And knew that you would never get well on earth again,
they saw your path was difficult;  and closed your tired eyes. 
Then whispered to you "Peace be Thine" and gave you wings to fly.

When we saw you sleeping so calm and free of pain,
we would not wish you back to earth to suffer once again.
You've left us precious memories;  your love will be our guide.
You live on through your family,  you're always by our side.

It broke our hearts to lose you, but you did not go alone. 
For part of us went with you the day the Bridge called you home.


 :RIP: :candle:      :RIP: :candle:      :RIP: :candle:     
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 13, 2009, 17:41:58 PM
RIP my little chocolate nephew.  I will never forget your bravery and spirit.  I grew to love you as one of my own and I will miss you so much.  I will be there for your mummy Swamps, I will send her love and hugs.  Kate I can only imagine how you are feeling, I am gutted and have cried all day.  Good night God bless you Swampy sweetheart.  You are now the newest star in the sky, shine brightly for your mum tonight.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: sheryl on November 13, 2009, 17:44:38 PM
Oh Kate sweetie, I am so sorry to read this - thinking of you xxx

RIP sweet Swampy - have fun at the Bridge and go and find Max and cuddle up together again xxx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: koscha (Ruth M) on November 13, 2009, 17:44:59 PM
Farewell Swampy, be at peace with Max at the bridge  :Luv:

Blessings upon both of you at this difficult time...you were truely devoted parents even to the last.  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 13, 2009, 17:49:46 PM
You gave Swampy everything you could and i am sure he has already found Max  up there on the Bridge  :hug: :hug:

RIP Swampy, you have left a pawprint in your humans hearts
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 13, 2009, 17:54:35 PM
 :'( :'( :'(

RIP Swampy - reunited with Max forever xxxx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: pappilon on November 13, 2009, 18:26:00 PM
RIP Swampy. :(
 :hug: :hug: Kate.x
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: nicter on November 13, 2009, 18:30:56 PM
 :hug: to you and oh kate
RIP swampy.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Kirst on November 13, 2009, 18:45:47 PM
Kate , I don't know what to say hun.

R.I.P Swampy , healthy again at the brige , and reunited with your buddy Max. Please let you Mum know you are safe there , she will miss you terribly. :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 13, 2009, 18:54:12 PM
Kate - love knows no limits, no boundaries, no barriers that cannot be overcome.  You have enjoyed the most special of relationships with your lovely Swampmonster.  A candle burns brightly in our house for all of you tonight. 

Sweet dreams, Swampy. 

Kate - let your heart soar for Swampy.  You gave him what no-one could surpass.  That bond will never be broken.  Never.  :hug:
Max - you have your friend back.  Look after each other.   :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Mark on November 13, 2009, 18:55:22 PM
I'm so sorry Kate, no cat could have had a more devoted slave  :care:

I really don't know what to say but please don't be hard on yourself. He was a gorgeous boy  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 13, 2009, 19:08:51 PM
Oh Kate, I'm so sorry, you fought so long and hard for him RIP Swampy  :RIP:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Debsymiller (Rufus' mum) on November 13, 2009, 19:59:21 PM
I'm so sorry hun. You were an amazing mummy to him. Play hard at the bridge little man  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: sarasara on November 13, 2009, 20:25:38 PM
                     
       :hug: The Great Swampy.  :hug:

We've known many pussies that filled us with pride
In the days that are gone and it can't be denied,
But the greatest and the bravest the world did ever see
Was our Champion of Champions: the Brave cat Swampy.

In the long days of his ilness and oft sleepless night
There were so many hearts who kept him in sight
His heroic brave efforts to deal with his pain
And to take all his meds gave him well deserved fame

How lucky for him of all places to come
Was into the care of his sweet Swampmaxmum
Sweet Swampmaxmum and kind Swampmax dad
No greater friends he could ever had

A cat of such beauty he remained to the end
A cat who had lost his dearest Max friend
A cat that had suffered more than we can know
He laid down his pain when the time came to go

He laid down his pain in the lap of his mum
Who will suffers it on for some time to come
For Swampy runs free in the light of that place
Where all go to rest at the end of life's race

And Swampy looks down and says mum "don't you cry!"
Look after yourself, eat well please just try
Look after yourself so Swamps can feel free
To play on the bridge and climb the great tree

If Swampy sees mum is keeping ok
Then he can feel free to run and to play
No cat was so cared for as history will tell
And given the challenge his mummy did well

His mum did her best and all that entailed
And should never feel that she in anyway failed
She did her best which was all she could do
Her devotion and care we all really knew

Aye, We've known many pussies that filled us with pride
In the days that are gone and it can't be denied,
But the greatest and the Bravest the world did ever see
Was our Champion of Champions: the Brave cat Swampy.
                           :candle:   
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: purrdy1 on November 13, 2009, 20:31:23 PM
 :'( I am sooo sorry to hear about your beloved swampy puss.....Words cannot express the utter ache i feel for you right now......all i can say is i send you love and undersatanding......i know what you are going through......with love to you and yours xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: bonnielass on November 13, 2009, 20:40:51 PM
Kate im so sorry to hear this very very sad news :(
You gave so much to the little man and im sure you must be totally heartbroken :'(


RIP Swampy reunited with your brother Max and safe and well on the bridge :Luv:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Leanne on November 13, 2009, 21:37:36 PM
Kate what you did for Swampy in the last 14 months was amazing the way you cared and looked after him, and researched into everything possible to help him.

I am sure that Swampy is with Max and they are playing hard on the rainbow bridge.

RIP Swampy you will never be forgotten by your purrs family.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: AliCat on November 13, 2009, 22:32:45 PM
RIP little one.

 :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 13, 2009, 22:46:05 PM
I am overwhelmed with the love for Swampy and support that all of you have given us over this time and now in tribute to little Swampy. Sarasara, I am just amazed and want to thank you so much. I read your poem to OH and he was in tears as well, how incredibly kind of you to write that for us all  :hug: :hug:

Thank you everyone. The flat is quiet and weird without Swampy and of course without Max as well. For so long our boys have always been here.  We are nervous about our trip tomorrow and hope that all goes well. For one thing the weather is wild and we have a tiny car that must get through and we must bring him home.  Home is where he belongs forever. And in my heart and that of my OH.

Thank you everyone for helping us to feel less alone in our grief. I have had cats since I was a tiny girl many moons ago, but none like Swampy. 
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 13, 2009, 22:49:25 PM
would you like me to move this thread to rainbow bridge kate as it has so many tributes on it?

Or it can split or just left, there is no rush.

let me know when you are ready  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 13, 2009, 23:03:04 PM
Could you just leave it where it is for a bit longer please as that would be a comfort for some reason, to log in and see it where it is.  I'd also like to know if it's possible to save it all as it is like a diary of my Swampy's last 14 months. I mean to my hdd.

going to bed now and don't think I will be online tomorrow so thank you again to everyone  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 13, 2009, 23:09:21 PM
yes it is possible but will take a long time cos you will have to do in sections and if you want all the smilies, you may have to do from modify so will take a very long time.

i would test doing a page and see what happens.

I have tried to download a big thread and it seemed to work until iI looked at it and couldnt read it.

I can remove this post ands my other one later so as not to sp[il the thread.  :hug:

It can stay where it is as long as you want or forever  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: bunglycat on November 14, 2009, 00:49:44 AM
Hoping you have a safe journey and all goes well -will be thinking of you  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Bazsmum on November 14, 2009, 00:53:56 AM
Could you just leave it where it is for a bit longer please as that would be a comfort for some reason, to log in and see it where it is.  I'd also like to know if it's possible to save it all as it is like a diary of my Swampy's last 14 months. I mean to my hdd.



I know exactly what you mean here Kate.....I know I could not face this section without seeing this thread.... :Luv2: :hug: :hug:

Im so happy you have his Purr forever!  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Susanne (urbantigers) on November 14, 2009, 08:41:43 AM
So sorry, Kate  :hug: :hug:  RIP gorgeous chocolate man  :Luv:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Michelle (furbabystar) on November 14, 2009, 10:21:59 AM
Could you just leave it where it is for a bit longer please as that would be a comfort for some reason, to log in and see it where it is. 

I understand that too - I sometimes read right through Issey's thread  :hug:


Drive carefully today, Will be thinking of you xxx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: sarasara on November 14, 2009, 13:04:51 PM
Wishing you all the last precious moments, have a good journey and as you can see all the purrs are giving you Swampmaxmum and Swampmaxdad hugs all the way.
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 14, 2009, 15:26:25 PM
so many thanks and bless you all. We are back. Swampy is home. He is next to Max on their windowsill. Dignity were as usual, very good. Swampy looked so beautiful, he looked at peace and not old and sick at all. We said him a prayer and then we sang him his choccy monster song but it was so hard to say goodbye - or au revoir. We told him he had a french passport so he knew what that meant.
OH chose him a wooden casket with little blue flowers on it and we got it inscribed with his name and dates and a couple of lines from his own choccy monster song. I used to sing it to him at 3am under the futon's duvet and he'd purr like a farm convention of tractors while he lay in my arms.
It was a long and tiring trip in bad weather but worth it as he is now home forever, in our hearts forever.  On the way there we saw a big rainbow; we feel it was sent by both boys so Swampy and Max are now together again and playing ear back, play-fight games and curling up together in the sunshine.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 14, 2009, 15:40:14 PM
 :hug:  xxx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Gill (sneakiefeline) on November 14, 2009, 15:40:53 PM
wow a rainbow  ;D

he has arrived  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: CarolM (Wendolene) on November 14, 2009, 15:53:02 PM
I'm so glad the day went well and Swampy is home.  I haven't stopped thinking about you since you broke the news  :hug: I hope you're OK.  I'm thrilled the boys sent you a rainbow - Korky sent us one less than a week after he passed.  Its strange you should mention Swampy's French passport, I came across Korky's this morning and it had me in bits.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Tiggy's Mum on November 14, 2009, 15:54:13 PM
Swampy will be at peace now, reunited with Max and waiting for you at the Bridge until you are ready to collect them xx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Bazsmum on November 15, 2009, 02:08:33 AM
Bless you both! Glad this is now over and Swampy is back home where he belongs....He showed you a rainbow Kate, that is very special....Him and Max are both now at peace together!

Take care of you both for us!  :Luv2: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Janeyk on November 15, 2009, 06:59:23 AM
 :Luv: Back home where he belongs  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: sarasara on November 15, 2009, 09:46:13 AM
Glad all went well Swampmaxmum........Heres a little song for you and Swampmaxdad, Swampy and Max:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxpXG2wQ-MQ

 :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: JackSpratt on November 15, 2009, 13:57:39 PM
Kate, I'm so glad it went well, and I have no doubt that Swampy and Max sent you the rainbow. Sending hugs to the two of you. :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Daisymac on November 15, 2009, 13:59:25 PM
RIP Swampy,  play hard at the bridge baby  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Gillian Harvey on November 15, 2009, 22:42:37 PM
I'm so pleased the boys sent you a rainbow, Swampy and Max back together again  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Sam (Fussy_Furball) on November 15, 2009, 22:51:07 PM
Kate please accept me sincere condolences.  I am so sorry I have only just seen this thread (I have been wrapped up in my own little world recently  :( ).

My heart goes out to you and hubby at this terrible time. But I'm sure Swampy and Max will now be reunited and playing together again.

RIP Swampy ... play hard at the bridge little man.  Much loved and sorely missed.

Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: hannah (weeny) on November 15, 2009, 23:14:26 PM
i'm so sorry  :hug:

sleep sweet xx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 16, 2009, 07:01:14 AM
A beautiful rainbow for you both - a big smile in the sky. :Luv: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 16, 2009, 10:26:52 AM
thanks and huge hugs to everyone. It alternates between feeling unreal and all too terribly real.  I will post some photos of Swampy at various ages when I can and also open him a thread in Rainbow Bridge for future posts. But thanks, it's a huge comfort to have this thread still here and I will copy it page by page to my hdd in the next week or two, when I can face it.

Someone in America sent me this poem, which is just lovely. I love to think of my boys on angel laps and Swampa purring on God's head.

CAT HEAVEN
by Cynthia Rylant

The way to Cat Heaven is a field of sweet grass
where crickets and butterflies play.

A cat may be late in getting to Heaven . . .
there's so much fun on the way!
But an angel will wait
at the yellow front door,
wait til a kitty
comes home.

And when she arrives,
he'll give her a kiss
and some milk
in a bowl all her own.

There are trees
in Cat Heaven,
trees made just for cats,
trees growing
so green and so high.

But no one gets stuck in a tree
anymore --
if a cat wants down,
she will fly!

And oh the toys,
kitty toys everywhere,
thousands and thousands
go by.

There are buttons and baubles
and small cotton mice --
there is catnip afloat
in the sky!

There are angels,
of course,
with soft angel laps
where kitties can purr
loud and strong.

The angels will rub
kitties' noses and ears
and sing them
a Cat Heaven song.

And when cats are hungry,
there's God's kitchen counter
all covered with
white kitty dishes,
full of tuna and salmon
and mounds of sardines,
and wonderful little pink fishes.

The cats in Cat Heaven
are so loved and spoiled
God lets them all
lie on his bed . . .
He walks in His garden
with a good black book
and a kitty
asleep on His head.

Then when a cat needs,
she may just simply ponder
and watch the blue world deep and wide . . .

She will watch the old house
where she once lived and wandered,
and the people who loved her inside.

All cats love Heaven,
they know the way there,
they know where
the angel cats fly.

They'll run past the stars
and the moon and the sun . . .
. . . to curl up with God in the sky.

(Dedicated by Cynthia Rylant to Caps, Nick and Edward VelvetPaws)





Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: bonnielass on November 16, 2009, 10:54:53 AM
 :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Bazsmum on November 16, 2009, 15:53:36 PM
Thinking of you both Kate!  :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 16, 2009, 18:43:24 PM
just wanted to post a couple of photos from when Swampy was little. One as a kitten and the other as an 18 month old boy. He was an outdoor cat then and had so many friends in the area (but got into everyone's houses, ended up stuck in a cellar and then he became an indoor cat as he was heading for disaster). He was in great shape from the exercise he got wearing his little red harness and his extender lead. I love these photos - they are hard copy scanned ones obviously.  All my other photos of him and Max are in storage in SA.  I wanted to post another one of him in middle years but can't find it in the pictures folder. I have such happy memories of him when he was little. He was mad and so cute and loving and playful and slept in our bed every night with his head on the pillow and the duvet tucked under his chin, just like us.

(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/Swampyaged15weeks.jpg)   

and

(http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l424/oldbrebis/justchecking.jpg)
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: snarf on November 16, 2009, 21:00:38 PM
i was away from purrs for so long and its taken me a while to catch up.

So Sorry to hear about this, Swampy was a character i remembered while i was away.
ive read this with tears in my eyes and admiration for your strength. you did so much for swampy, im sure hell be looking out for you now, a beautiful brown purring guardian angel. :care:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: purrdy1 on November 16, 2009, 21:22:42 PM
 ;D what a MAGNIFICENT boy he was......and it sounds as if he led a very happy life with his mum and extended family!...my best wishes to you today dear fellow cat lover.....xxxx
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: ChrisB on November 16, 2009, 22:47:52 PM
So sorry Kate  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Bazsmum on November 16, 2009, 23:26:04 PM
Adorable pics of beautiful Swampy Kate....Forever in your heart!  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Sue P (Paddysmum) on November 17, 2009, 06:56:17 AM
 :Luv:  Oh Kate - what beautiful photos - wasn't he a little cuddlebum kittie?  :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Janeyk on November 17, 2009, 07:02:06 AM
Absolutely stunning  :Luv:  :Luv:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: clarenmax on November 17, 2009, 09:20:53 AM
Stunning pictures of a very handsome boy  :Luv: :Luv: :Luv: :Luv:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Sabrina (Auferstehen) on November 17, 2009, 10:17:50 AM
Oh I am so very sorry.

 :hug:

Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Maddiesmum on November 17, 2009, 10:39:14 AM
Lovely cuddle monster.  I just love the one of him sitting proud outdoors, such a beautiful boy to behold:)  :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: JackSpratt on November 17, 2009, 11:50:02 AM
Swampy was utterly stunning, Kate. He looked such a proud boy. :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Christie on November 17, 2009, 12:56:18 PM
My most sincere condolences on your loss.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 19, 2009, 11:21:09 AM
Seems the vet has taken nothing on board from Swampy's experience. He won't take back any meds that were "just for Swampy" as if Swampy was the only cat to have renal disease! I asked for a couple that were suggested by my yahoo group, that are widely used to help CRF cats in America. Because he doesn't routinely prescribe them and doesn't really actively encourage palliative care (he learnt as we went along, especially about sub cuts) but my impression is that he tends to suggest pts on diagnosis of moderate to advanced CRF really, he doesn't seem interested. It's so disappointing as he's not a bad vet at all and isn't too old to be too set in his ways.

Even Selgian, which with Istin helped Swampy to beat vestibular disease against the odds, he's not keen to keep prescribing. It saddens me.  And Zithromax which is an ab which so sadly fixed Swampy's cold just before he passed away. I wish we'd known about it earlier when his CRF was better.

Swampy's calcium went up above normal before his phosphorus did (it was the combo of those 2 being elevated that finished him off; his creatinine wasn't end stage). The vet told me that fussing (I'd read Tanya's CRF site on the subject) about his calcium was a red herring. No it wasn't as when the phosphorus, which had been normal, started to climb too when he was off renal food and on a/d, it was lethal within 3 weeks.
So I'd say if you have  a CRF cat with calcium or phosphorus above normal but not yet both of them, use binders in all food and watch the calcium levels of what you give them too.  I just want Swampy's experience to be able to help others.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Dawn F on November 19, 2009, 11:24:12 AM
sweetie I sounds like he may not want to learn - some people just get stuck in a rut and like to stay there, in the future (and I sincerely hope that day will come soon as you have so so much to offer) when you have more furry family I'd shop around for another vet who is a bit more up to date in his/her approach
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Bazsmum on November 19, 2009, 15:39:27 PM
You would think in this day and age a vet (especially where CRF is concerned) would take anything on board, CRF is still a learning experience for all concerned!  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Thank heavens you persevered with him Kate!  :Luv2: :Luv2: :Luv2:

@ Dawn....I dont think Kate has another vet in her area!  :tired: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Dawn F on November 19, 2009, 15:46:17 PM
sorry, I thought she lived in London
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Bazsmum on November 19, 2009, 15:53:29 PM
sorry, I thought she lived in London

Prob me and my mixed up brain at the mo!  :shocked: :hug:
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: swampmaxmum on November 19, 2009, 18:50:22 PM
No you are right, I am in SE London. I promise you he's the best vet around this area, that's why he is so incredibly busy. He was the 4th vet I tried when Swampy was terribly ill with liver disease in 2006 - the other 3 were worse than useless.  One of them even wrote "owner won't pay for blood tests" on my notes! She'd said maybe we had to send off blood to the USA and it took 2 weeks and I said that Swampy couldn't wait 2 weeks to be treated......current vet saved Swampy's life. I don't mean to put him down but I think he could have a more open mind sometimes to new treatments.
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: bunglycat on November 19, 2009, 23:44:29 PM
sweetie I sounds like he may not want to learn - some people just get stuck in a rut and like to stay there, in the future (and I sincerely hope that day will come soon as you have so so much to offer) when you have more furry family I'd shop around for another vet who is a bit more up to date in his/her approach

Thats exactly what i was going to say Dawn - i totally agree.

I love the Swampy pictures -what a proud Handsome boy he looks in them .
I will miss his updates .
Title: Re: Swampy: it is his time now RIP little choc-o-late monster my love
Post by: Ann Clarke (Tabby cat) on November 20, 2009, 22:50:58 PM
I've only just seen this thread Kate and just wanted to add my condolences on the loss of your beautiful, brave boy.

Swampy was such a special boy who bore all his problems so bravely and was very lucky to have a mum who looked after him so well and fought so hard for him.

We will all miss him. RIP Swampy reunited with Max now forever at the bridge  :hug: